And donald trump, apparently agreeing on something most ben calendar that neither biden shen and thats unprecedented in modern history. It all came together quite suddenly, i would say on wednesday morning following this challenge from biden and trump lost two debates to me in 20 0. 20 that he hadnt shown up for debate. Now hes acting like he wants to debate me again. Well, make my day pal. Ill even do it twice. So lets pick the dates i hear youre free on wednesdays oh, okay. The former president did not take long to rsvp. He hit back with this job posting. Its my great honor to accept the cnn debate against crooked joe biden, the worst president in the history of the United States and a true threat to democracy on june 27th likewise, i accept the abc debate against cricket job on september 10 thank you djt. It is rather interesting that the Biden Campaign insisted that one of the rules is going to be they will cut the microphones to eliminate interruptions if someone talks too long so that they can avoid scenes like this one the question, the question, justice left, would you who is all right. Had our panelists year former federal prosecutor, Elliot Williams, jonah goldberg, the cofounder and editor in chief, the dispatch, and mark mckinnon, former adviser to George W Bush and to john mccain. Welcome to all of you good morning. Mark. Youve written this about these debates. You say, quote, i view that challenged throat down as a classic Master Stroke for biden. I know from experience, the most important asset of candidate can have is the perception of strength. The worst thing they can have is the perception of weakness, which is what biden was dealing with until this morning, of course, wrote that yesterday, is this not also an acknowledgement from the biden team that they were behind and they needed to do something to shake up this race yeah. Thats thats how you win elections okay. Now is the obvious you get an extra, you gotta tumor, youd say take the chemo yeah. Exactly. So what do you think he needs to . They, must be confident that he can actually step up to the plate because this is not without risk, is absolutely high risk, but i think first of all, whats the other option a. That he doesnt debate, right. And thats thats just not an option that would just prolong and extend the notion that biden is weak and afraid to debate donald trump. And he does have a real perception problem. About his age, about being frail, about being mentally acute enough to be president. So the way to fix that is to get on stage and prove it i mean, theres questions about both of them. And the only way were going to find out is whether or not they both get on stage. So biden could have avoided this for months and done the classic stand back on the incumbent and phase months of stories of Trump Hammering him for refusing to debate. Well, sorry. Yeah. Jump in. But the remarkable thing about that, as in trumps social media, he actually lowers expectations on President Biden and saying this guy can barely string as sentence again, hundred percent. Im up against, which is many things in our political lives now, dont follow the playbook anymore, but debate oneonone is make your opponent seem better than they are. Such that managed the expectations going. So people totally totally true with debate. So its all about expectations and trump is making a classic mistake by lowering expectations i agree with making the mistake and i agree with the entirely this was a very smart move by biden from a position of weakness, but it was a smart move to do the problem with the lowering expectations thing, which i agree with you on on the old earth, logic rules really but earth logic rules the prominent on the pillow goes on rally after rally, talking about how biden is an invalid and all that kind of stuff. He cant All Of A Sudden what he could because hes trump, but like it would be weird from two All Of A Sudden say, but hes a brilliant debate. Just say nothing, right . He could avoid that one extra line in the tweet that that sort of points out what a bad too, because youre creating an environment where biden walks into the room and doesnt begin drooling upon himself. And then as i do think the other factor that was smart about this is because with so much early voting, yeah, you need to tell people earlier about the differences between them because right now the conversation is weirdly not about im trump mean that you wouldnt know that from watching any of the cable channels, what this trial going on, but its really not about trump. Its really about the state of the country and all that kind of stuff and making it a choice rather than a referendum to do at a much earlier, right . Well, and weve talked about to how age is obviously a dominant theme. It really in many ways is code for weakness when you really dig into the numbers but again, this is what the American People are expecting was. This is how mitt romney put it in an interview last night, watch this the image that comes to mind as those two old guys on the muppets, you know, that sat in the back that learned walgreens waldorf. All right thats what comes to mind. But i actually think therell be a huge audience for these debates so just to remind you who stellar mould are far watch this it looks like to ancient old guys sitting in a theater box watching television crazy, no one would watch junk like that. I mean, its onpoint its onpoint now, Who Staedtler and whose waldorf . I dont know. How do we identify. The other thing to pick up on jonahs 0. 1 of the points raised in the Biden Campaigns letter to the president ial commission was, these are too late and people start making their decisions lets do, it for. Four months before. And the idea that the commission may its memory be a blessing, but the one that im sorry no its fine. No, but the idea that the commission would have scheduled its first to the president ial commission on debates were scheduled first debate in september, just doesnt track how the country votes. Now, i will say mark one of the consistent features of every president ial campaign. I have covered in my career is hatred on both sides for the commission on president ial hundred percent. And i was there in 2000 we tried to do an end run around the commission and listen the purpose of the commission is a noble one, which is to ensure that theres gonna be a debate and that there are rules established in this case we dont need that because theyve agreed to debate and theyve agreed to the rules. So c a commission. Were going to talk more about nobody cares about the commission. The commission, commission itself nobody is either march im not going to watch it because its the commission does not at the end. And i think that campaigns know that right at the end of the day, all people want to do see this. You guys on stage. All right. Coming up next . Here. 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Republican senator, and a reminder, 2012 republican president ial nominee mitt romney, sharing his thoughts on president ial pardons had i been President Biden when the Justice Department brought on indictments, i would have immediately a pardon to add a pardon, President Trump why . Because it makes me President Biden. The big guy and the person i pardoned a little guy. And of course, romney is not just any student sitting senator, as we mentioned, he was a republican president ial nominee in 2012 and is perhaps the sharpest gop critic of donald trump in the senate. He voted to convict him not once but twice in two impeachments all right were you surprised to hear me say this . And he wasnt directly asked about whether trump he wouldve done Something Like this. Its its sort of remarkable thing, especially as the Supreme Court is now weighing should trump be immune from all this. Yeah, i mean, ive only heard the clip that we played here, but this was talked about a lot traditionally, youre supposed to accept your guilt. If you accept a pardon, right and ive always thought this would make immense sense if it kept trump from ever running again. If he just said, heres the deal, your pardon . My left bank. My left base will hate me for this they hit the same way. People hated gerry ford but if it keeps trump out of politics and spares at all of this, it would have been a nobrainer to me, but that wasnt necessarily myths rationale there. It was much more of a political thing, maybe in the fuller context hes got other reasons. Its interesting the mentioned gerald ford and its president texas hasnt ever appointed, but very sexy, but bringing back his pardon nixon to unite the country and part of the rationale is, yes, this guy did horrible things, but there will be so much unrest on the other side if we dont pardon him, therefore, its worth department. Okay. Fine. Whatever that thats a Defensible De The Problem is that he goes on to say that biden should have also pressured new york prosecutors to not bring their cases and thats disgraceful. Theres theres pressuring prosecutors, but i think its an interesting notion, but i think you have to let some of the evidence in the trial play out for them. What do you pardoning for romney did kind of office for a little bit more of an explanation of what he was going for here. Lets watch that we may not have that. Do we have that mommy get resolved before the election . Its not going to have an impact before the election. And frankly, the country doesnt want have to go through prosecuting a former president i think the American People have recognized that President Trump did have an inappropriate affair with someone who was a porn star. I think they realized that then they realize he took classified documents. He shouldnt have and didnt handle them properly, that they understand that as well that they realize hes been lying about the election in 2020 they know those things so johnny, he seems to be saying it would be better for the country to avoid this which, you know what do you think based on his or an explanation, its very difficult to run through the full contra factual, right. But like look i think everyone get trump and a lot of people get the causality backwards when they talk about how these trials are election interference. And again, i dont like the brags trial i think it shouldnt have been broad, but yeah the the causality is its trump ran for president as an act of judicial interference, right . He announced so early, so as to make it more difficult to prosecute them, theyre not hes not being prosecuted and make it difficult for him to run for president and avoiding all of that. If romneys theory would a work that ive been fine with it . It just reminds me that romney would have made a great president. It was a terrible candidate that cut. He governs are really well. Its the right approach is the right ideas, the right now. Yeah. I mean, i covered that campaign from the press plane and mitt romney has certainly come to play pretty unique spot in our system in a donald trump driven world. But i think a lot of people have learned a lot about a man who was very differently viewed on the Campaign Trail and he is now all right. Coming up. How the kicker for the Kansas City Chiefs match to anger women. Im gonna go thats that is an understatement hes in his Commencement Speech will show you some of what he said. Plus a ritual like no other at the naval academy, which is one of the five things you have to see this morning. How would really happen with jesse l. Martin, sundays At Night On Cia you know, whats brilliant think about it. 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