Form of intergenerational wealth when matt we are family and you can see the rest of that story and others champions for change will air Saturday Night here at 9 00 p. M. Eastern on cnn thank you so much for joining us. Well see you were special coverage of trumps trial starting early tomorrow morning for now, seeing a news night that we fill up against the sidebyside comparison that americans desperately need. That lets tonight on newsnight good evening. Im abby phillip in new york tonight, a date for mustsee television right here on cnn june 27. That is one cnn will host President Biden and former President Trump or the first president ial debate. It is the earliest debate in the election cycle in modern history. And it marks an end run essentially around the commission that normally sets the terms and the times of these things happen. The debate echoes history. There will be no audience no opportunity for the crowd to make the venue home field for either trump or for biden and itll happen inside of cnns atlanta studios. Its just the moderators, jake tapper and dana bash and the candidates. Thats a throwback to 1960 when john f. Kennedys stared down Richard Nixon and his very sweaty lip this is all what escalated this morning with President Biden, Daring Over On X going full dirty harry, then trump responding then there was an offer and then suddenly a deal its a sudden surprise series of events that really, im not sure anyone could have predicted and injected adrenaline into this campaign that has been virtually paralyzed by courtroom drama, Agitate Over Israel and it gives americans a chance a chance to conduct their own physicals of each man to take the vitals On The Issues that are vital to them for the incumbent, the y and the why so early is pretty clear. He wants to remind americans of their choice, giving them a splitscreen and also to avoid incumbent history 1976, gerald ford trailed gerald ford, lost in 1980, jimmy carter trailed jimmy carter, lost 1992. George hw bush. The same 2020 donald trump trailed. And then he lost. Now the Biden Campaign clearly has reason to do this, but there is one democrat tonight who thinks that the president should stay far, far away from donald trump . I myself would never recommend going on the stage with donald trump, but the president has decided thats what he wants to do. I think format he has suggesting is a good one. My panel is here to discuss this with us, republican Strategist Joe Opinion former senior White House Communications age. Im all simmons. Cnn, political analyst, natasha alfurqan, special correspondent for vanity fair, Bryan Stelter to be fair, the last time donald trump and joe biden sharing a stage, one of them had covid, so say six feet apart or whatever, but is anyone surprised that this is actually happening . I woke up this morning and this was not on my bingo card i am surprised the president put this on the plate today, he called Donald Trumps bluff downtown, been running around the country saying anytime anyplace, the president said, great, ive got a time and a place. Lets do it. Lets rock and roll injected energy, as you said in your open and injected energy into the campaign, ive been hearing from democrats all day who are excited. They feel like now somethings happened and were ready to pop. But i am not convinced that this is actually going to happen im not donald trump. I mean, like look, cnn gets a lot of kudos for making this debate happened in the morning getting everybody signed onto it. But donald trump has no record of standing by anything that he said. Im not convinced yet. So me ill believe it when i see it when you shows up in the studio look, i think that debate is going to happen for a multitude of reasons. I think there are arguments for it and against it on both sides. I think that President Trump im ben republicans believed the sooner we remind the American People that joe biden seems to have a very difficult time. I standing at a podium for extended periods of time, the better i think a conversely, theres the opportunity for joe biden to avoid the proverbial october surprise. The things that pop up late in election seasons at ten two up, and the election calendar and have people thinking about different issues. So ultimately again, there are arguments for, there are arguments against, but i think if youre a republican, if youre President Trump, anytime you get, you have at the American People forced, you have joe biden put forth examples of why he has been successful over the last four years. I think that is an actual challenge that they will accept time and time again. I think you have to take control of the narrative. Ray, we are looking at poll after poll, headline after headline about how biden is even losing support from the coalition that we expect him to have so even think about it, the dark brand and persona that announced this today. I mean, this is the personality that needs to find hi back against the trump has sort of been bullying him, right . Calling them sleepy joe saying hes in a basement. I think about the last time they were together. Think about the moment we were dealing with covid. There was so much fear and joe biden was able to hold him accountable. Trump for what he didnt do. Now, by stepping out now in front, joe biden is setting the terms, doing this debate, where he can show his strengths, where he can talk about policy and donald trump will attack him. He will attack his record, but hes doing biden is doing this in a way that allows him to speak, to not be cut off to not have an audience distract him. I this to me is a bold step that needed to be taken so you call it, you brought up dark brand and heres what mitt romney says. He says, it would be like two old guys on the muppets on that thats a quote by the way. They are on and i think thats a quote from not exactly the most you know, just controversial senator, but its an image, its going to stick with us. Yeah. Im hopeful that the political laws of gravity have been reaffirmed today, right . That yes, these two men will actually debate, by the way, there was a lot of behind the scenes maneuvering to make today happen. Yeah. These things do not happened. I think cnn deserves incredible kudos and also abcabc. Youll have a debate in september both these networks and off something that felt impossible before today, and its thanks to a lot of behind the scenes work that leads up to this moment. Its also a great responsibility for cnn and for abc. A great moment for the country. I, i dont think the Average American has its watch Donald Trumps speak for more than a minute or two at length since he lost the election. So for tens of millions of tune in next month and to see him ranting and raving or whatever hes doing. Thats going to be a pretty dramatic wakeup call for the country. So heres one of the interesting things we were talking in the open about incumbency this is one of those weird cycles where you have two people who are kind of incumbents in their own way and one of the things in jamal, you probably you probably know this well, when brock obama had his first debate against mitt romney in 2012, it was a disaster Barack Obamas is generally fairly really good at this debate thing. Incumbents have a hard time because theyre out of practice. But guess what . It was donald trump. So how does that play out . Yeah, thats true. When youre the white house, everything is yes, sir. No, sir. How can we help you, sir . Theres allowed that that goes on. Which kind of gets i think incumbents out of the rhythm of dealing with people in a very direct right way. And donald trump clearly is. Yes, sir. No, sir. Mr. Trump, everybody always causing mr. Trump so we dont know what these two are like when they get there, but heres the thing thats interesting to me. When this debate call went out today, trump responded. He immediately agreed to the terms that biden put on the table. That to me is very interesting because when i was in my 20s, i worked for mickey kantor, who was when a bill clintons Debate Negotiators And Making Cantor would say very clearly, all of these things go into the mix and youve got to decide whats best these are clearly the terms that were best for joe biden and donald trump agreed to those terms immediately. Im imagining his campaign when they got back after he sent that tweet out, they have to now figure out how to make this work for them because right now its working for biden. He came out and im going to do a Fox Debate Two and never was like, what are you talking about . Yeah, i was trying to read this up today and didnt yet. What was on the table . I mean, some of the things on the table trump i think probably really doesnt want controls over one of your time is up. Its up because the last to beat he was able to kind of try to steamroll over the process. And this is what i mean about being able to eliminate distraction, right . Donald trump thrives off the audience. He thrives off the spectacle. Well, this is a chance for biden to hit home. The accomplishments that we havent really been able to talk about because weve been talking about the trump trial and all of these other things. And so hes able to now frame what his success is and challenge President Trump to say what your actual vision besides the rants that you have for me . I just want to say quickly, obama, do you remember how he looked in the first debate . And then four years later he looked a little tired, a low war, we saw the grade here. It was like a joke, right . Biden cant change his age. He cant change the fact that hes gonna look different and hes going to sound different than he did four years ago, but he does have these Policy Accomplishments that he can tout to an audience that needs to hear it. I mean, just to play the contrarian look, i think that everyone expects that its going to be a repeat of 2020, that theyre going to perhaps jousting, yelled each other. I dont think that thats whats going to happen. I would encourage President Trump to employ more of a rope, a dope approach. The more joe biden talks, the better it is for him. And i think that if youre looking at how President Trump got to this place, it will be because the fact that while biden keeps trying to tell the American Public that everything is working, that the inflation Reduction Plan was a success. They are feeling the fact that it has not been as successful as he would like them to believe. And so i think issue by issue forcing joe biden, you have to defend that record without having to use the phrase donald j. Trump. I think as he helps President Trump and if he abides by the rules that joe biden asked for, and he is unable to get over that very low hurdle. I think youre going to see a continuing of this trend of those voters in those swing States Running away from the incumbent joes run them so brian interests in the Commission Im president ial debates. Yeah, this was a knife and the heart. Yes. Candidates really sad. Its not happening, right . Is it over for, for that condition . Do we have to come up with something to move forward . Its certainly over for now. And that was a commission that was around for decades is set up debates. And i think the knife in the heart was in 2020, actually, yeah, the way that that was a disastrous debate biden and trump, i think that was the beginning of the end for this commission. And i think what were seeing now is a new possible format going forward, where individual networks will compete to win these debates. And that might actually be a better struck and a reflection also of the way that voting has changed which people are voting. So early, we live in this country where elections never end. They go on for years. No one wants it, but its true. This is a neverending election. So to have a debate much, much earlier is better for the american pin kudos its seen in an abc on this point, weve always had to base that. Were wall to wall all the networks carried them at the same time. Thats not going to happen this time. East network, we have seoul event. Theyre night and everybody who wants to watch it to that while brian, you talk about that. I mean, even that Pennsylvania Senate race, we talked about what so many people had already voted before. Obviously, on forced in the center of the fetterman had that on forced it adds instance. So i think it look at that context. You look at people who said that, perhaps what would have happened, what do you think . Think anything that happened with hunter biden is relevant or not that report that came out from the new york post, whether that would have had an impact on how they voted so early debates is good for the public and maybe the commission can have some actual debates for the senate races because i can tell you firsthand people need to know whats going on in those races was a hunter biden outside stormy day get it back to you have been able gentleman. Everyone. Thank you very much. Coming up next, the man who moderated that Infamous Trump biden, shout fest in 2020 will join me to react to this historic move Chris Wallace his Standing By Forest PlusBreaking News tonight in trumps criminal trial here, what his defense team is planning to do to Michael Cohen tomorrow on the Witness Stand during crossexamination. 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