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Roger and capitol hill. This is sienna closed captioning is brought to you by Skechers Massage fit sandals check these out. Skechers massage that sandals. They give you what massage with every step is is skechers patented a Wave Technology that gently massage is your foot with every step Skechers Massage that sandals we paid a lawyer a Legal Expense however, Legal Expense is elite, which its marked out in the book they go expense is perfectly marked down. Except Michael Cohen said its not actually so perfect. The prosecutions star witness in trumps Hush Money Trial. He finally took the stand today. Welcome to a Special Edition of lauren the codes live alongside abby phillip right here in new york, anal for years, Michael Cohen, he was Donald Trumps attack dog, but today, the person who made it a point to keep track those enemies in line. Tourney against his former boss in court. And of course, under oath, trump himself, realizing the importance of the moment, shut up with a huge entourage of political allies, including possible vp pick, jd vance for a president. Remaining quite restrained though which of cohens testimony but on the other end of the courtroom, the jury was listening. They were taking notes and the prosecutions hopefully, each one of those jurors are looking past cohens lets call it obvious baggage and trying to connect the dots to see if the prosecution has built the case in the last 16 days. That is of course trying donald trump directly to the alleged criminal scheme for those 34 false Business Records. So ultimately how do they use Michael Cohen to do that . Well, they had him speak to trumps political motivations to silence Stormy Daniels, his approval of the scheme and this is key, his final signoff of cohens reimbursement. So cohen testified that once trump learned Stormy Daniels was shopping i think her story he didnt care how would impact him as his wife has only concern was the campaign. Cohen said the trump told him, quote, men will hate me guys, they think its cool, but this is going to be a disaster for the campaign. Cohen also claims trump told him to do what he often did for trump just fix it. He testified that trump quote stated to me that he had spoken to some friends, some individuals, very smart people, and that its 130,000, yoyour like a billionaire, just pay it theres no reason to keep this thing out there do it. And he expressed to me just do it Michael Cohen eventually had to front the money himself because i guess he wasnt like a billionaire. And then near the end of todays testimony, he came full circle, bringing the entire Stormy Daniels hush money scheme, right back to donald trump. Trump and cohen saying that these went to former trump cfo Allen Weisselberg in early 2017 were they agreed on the reimbursement plan. He an always work, but to get gave that plan to trump and then cohen says that trump personally approved it. Now the prosecution asked cohen directly whether he was being paid for future Legal Services to which color responded thats what it was designed to be. Then the process so get your what was it actually with cohen responding reimbursement of my money. I want to bring into the legal analyst, Jennifer Rodgers and Michael Moore civil and criminal defense attorney dante mills, courts reporter for the new york daily news. Molly cray newman and retired judge George Grosso are really important day too. Lee be with you, judge grass. So because you were in the courtroom today, abby and i work as well this morning. You actually did the whole de and of course, michael column, hes known for his because clotted charismatic temperament right . Sometimes bombastic, sometimes berating. He was not presenting as that today at all. He was measured, he was calm and restrained. What did you see . He was smooth he told the complete story. He didnt hesitate the warrant uncomfortable pauses. And i thought that was his ark was quite interesting having ive been there every day. So having heard all of the testimony firsthand, how they he starts with that infamous first meeting and trump tower with him and pecker and trump, where the Cachin Skill Kill Scheme was plotted. And then the positive stories and then negative stories. And he went from that arc all the way other key aspects of the case from the doorman payment of 30,000 to the Karen Mcdougal payment of 150,000 to the Stormy Daniels payment of 130,000. And where do they basically end up the plane today . Back in trumps office. In trump tower with Michael Cohen donald trump, and now substituted for Pecker Weisselberg with the dynamite, Dynamite Piece of evidence. The weisselberg notes laying out the scheme that involve the false records to pay down to pay Michael Cohen 420,000, not do with his reimbursement, but do it for bogus Legal Services. And Michael Cohen walked that document right into trump. It was fascinating compelling testimony. There are still has to be crossexamination, obviously, this is going to be a witness subject to very serious crossexamination. But i think the Prosecution Team is feeling pretty good tonight, and i dont think defendant trump is feeling that great, right now, you talked about the ark two and molly, i want to get you in here because the ark that you also saw was he talked about being honored to have been asked to work from in the first instance, climbing the trumporg age like a family, he was almost sycophantic and wistful in the way that he described when they actually asked them, how did you feel when donald trump will give you praise and his voice trailed off . I thought i was on top of the world. I mean, this is how he was beginning historian there he is now facetoface with trump. Yeah, i think thats kind of some of the strongest emotion we saw from him when he was talking about how much of an honor it was to work for trump. And i can describing hes always called the fixer and we hear he was his loyal luck he in many ways, he said when i was hired, my job was to my only job was to work for donald trump. I didnt take tasks from anybody else. And once he won the white house, i had no job any kind of described being despondent once trump won because he didnt really know what to do with himself and he was expecting to go to washington with trump and that didnt immediately look clear, but it was it was quite remarkable hearing. Im kind of describe the better years and when he was sort of the day that this opportunity came up to work for trump is the last day he worked for his firm. And that he moved into the fantasy old office and he was right by trump at trump tower yes, that was pretty remarkable. I mean, i not to be Debbie Downer, but but breed ebitda at the end of the de this was you know, theyre going to present this sort of like rose colored case with Michael Cohen just giving all the perfect answers. But there were some things that are not going to be left unanswered, even just the kind of Hearsay Element of it. Its really just Michael Cohens word that is anchoring actually the biggest part of this case at this point. Yeah. I mean, theyre going to have to get into some of the bad stuff before they turn them over. They certainly dont want the Defense Lawyers to have the first crack at tearing down Michael Cohen. Hes going to have to do some of that himself first and they will do that tomorrow without question. One of the things is talk about how he was so wistful and so positive about his time with trump since then on his podcast. And in 1 million tv parents appearances and so on, he hasnt really been that way, so hes going to have to explain how the breach happened, how he felt, how he transformed, and maybe the thats a persona that hes putting on for the purposes of the podcast or whatever, but hes going to have to own up to those feelings because theyre ready the defenses ready to pound him over the head with that 1 million times, but cant both be true. I mean, just thinking about if youre the prosecutor kitchen, you really want to freeze him in time and say, yeah, okay. Hates him now but im focusing on when this all went down. This is the moment in time to focus on when he this is the job that was done on every the all the bias. Its a developing now is after the fact, how do you play both . Have to, because everybody starts in order to have a Special Relationship with trump, had to be good at some point. So you can disregard that. You cant ignore the fact that he was dedicated to trump exclusively for very, very long time. And in fact, i mean, hes named trumps attack dog all of that kind of stuff he was a bad person. But for trump. So even when you talk about what the crossexamination there, of course theyre going to call him a liar. Theyre going to talk about his flaws, but he used those flaws to benefit the defendant. Thats sitting right there. So ultimately, what hes going to say is well, we did this together. We were in this together and i saw the light. I accept responsibility. Now its his turn. He would you mentioned yeah, thats okay theyre talking about the tape because this is going to be in love with him im in him at the same time and thats really what happened. He gives a benign reason for tatum know, but nine reason to say im taping my im taping my buddy hanna, who happens to be my client and who i love and worship, but i didnt jelly by taped it. And thats whats going to catch you tomorrow. He told theyre gonna get him on crossexamination about all the different times that hes lied. And one of the biggest times that we saw today was a delight in court because he said, i always told trump what was going on. He knew everything. I was totally honest with him. I told him what happened guess what, he didnt tell him that he was taping. This was a secret recording, so hes now allowed in court in this case a whole lot. He did what he said was there for remembering correctly, it was to you . She asked the question to the best of your knowledge, are you aware of whether trump was aware that you are recording and he said, no. So he didnt neglect you say, i am not saying it wasnt surreptitious because she did because she didnt tell him. I mean, he he hes got his little record ago when in private while hes having this meeting. So youve got him now hiding something from the man he says is responsible for everything. Well, that just doesnt make sense. I mean, that doesnt fit together, not two mention the fact that is completely distasteful and all kind of creepy that youre taping. Just ask the tape is all kinds of fascinating, but there is a part of the tape that makes you wonder, did Michael Cohen believed that at the time even that karen do Mcdougal Transaction was maybe a little bit illegal and wanted to memorialize on the record that donald trump was was involved at knew about and what damaging to hold it open for the audience at what he said was an off the expiration Michael Cohen gave was i recorded the conversation. Because i wanted to make sure that david pecker, who was increasingly antsy about being repaid knew that trump intended to do so because he had this drawer full of boxes, full of ammunition, essentially against him and that was what he gave as x1 for the question. He knew that trump was on board with everything that was going on, but they never played, right pay tape itself is the reason why i believe this case move forward because without that, take your simply relying on Michael Cohens word but that tape puts trump directly into the conversation saying, cash, are we paying cash . And i think thats the sum the sum and substance of why Michael Cohen has credibility, because trump is on tape, but it turned out i think that the way cohen put it, fit very well with david peckers testimony. But i have one question that i can help but theyre asking is Debbie Downer related to Douglas Dennison inside joke . I think another way to let here the tape is that it sounds like a businessman and hes got his cfo and his lawyer handling things and Allen Weisselberg is handling things and michael tails are dont worry, allens on top of this. I mean, thats on the tape and thats what thats what a ceo does is he let somebody else do the work and he signs the paper and whatever else. And so then were not going to have weisselberg come to court. And so youve essentially got this absent witness youve got Michael Cohen saying this in microcode made one recording that theyve given and it cut off in the middle and we dont have recording of trump say and yeah, go ahead and lets make some files, records or i know theres just two coming call and i think they have a phone right . Get the corroborates the incoming. Thats going to be i dont have another tape, but they dont have another record. We can have a record that corroborates but its a phone call cut off, but theres no theres no other recording. This is just this one. Thani said hes never recorded trump, except that one time. And the reason he did it was because he was worried about keeping David Packard happy. So we took an oath to tell the truth too, and they went to jail wouldnt it be so fascinating if there was president in history who had tapes and i could talk to his former lawyer john d, is coming on standby because that everyday i see so when legal orbit of a president ended up testifying against them, but of course it has happened before. Im talking with the former Nixon White House counsel john dean very is he joins me next, actually next. Oh, now, while you play music in my ear then so okay, here john. Oh, youre right now. Youre testimony. I want to talk to you right now. Youre testimony, again, former president nixon is frankly legendary what did you think of cohens testimony today . Ralph all the reports ive heard, it was very good. Obviously, the big test is going to come tomorrow as the panel made clear, when he subject to cross when you look at this, i mean, the idea of this tape, obviously, the nixon tapes distinct from whats happening here in this courtroom, but you disclosed your suspicion about the existence of nixons oval office tapes. We were to talking about the jury hearing. The tape of trump and cohen talking about this Hush Money Payment to chemical duggan. I want to play for just to remind everyone what this tape sounded like. Listen to this correct. So im im all over that. And i spoke to alan about it when it comes time for the financing, which will be well ive yourself getting old woman. I got no, no now, cohen offers a kind of innocent explanation. He says recording his own client that he wanted to prove david pecker that trump was going to pay him for that and Hush Money Payment did that. And does that sound believable to you that a jury would buy that its possible. I have no reason to doubt michaels assessment of why he was running his Voice Recorder when he went into the office of sounds like it doesnt sound like he turned it on when he got in there i understand that he cut it short because he had an incoming phone call which on my iphone often does cut. Anything else off. So thats understandable also, and he didnt take the call, apparently. So i will hear his fuller explanation tomorrow. When you can be sure hes gonna be grilled on this issue at ad nauseum. If not even longer. Yeah. I mean, were hearing that the cross will be likely as long as the different direct, if not maybe longer, theres gonna be a focus on trying to undermine his credibility by breaking them over the coals as you can possibly imagine here. And then youve got the idea of bias weve talked a lot about the moment in time where he worked for trump. But most people, know Michael Cohen in the aftermath theres going to be comments about his bias, his animus about revenge, possibly. Cohen testified that he was resentful at not being brought to washington after he had done so much for trump what do you think that aspect is going to play well, i would think he probably was more resentful of having his Bonus Cutting two down sharply as it was. And the faculty was told his career was over with the Trump Organization. And then the he explained that his ego was what . Made him want to at least be on a list to go to washington. But i thought he came up with a fairly clever way that he could cash in, which was to be the private counsel of the president Richard Nixon had a private counsel who got a lot of clients as a result of his association with nixon hed let her go to jail for his fundraising, but he did do well while nixon was president. As a result of that connection, i think that michael probably would have done well had things unraveled a little differently. Can talk to me about the enormous pressure. Frankly, that Skechers Massage<\/a> fit sandals check these out. Skechers massage that sandals. They give you what massage with every step is is skechers patented a Wave Technology<\/a> that gently massage is your foot with every step Skechers Massage<\/a> that sandals we paid a lawyer a Legal Expense<\/a> however, Legal Expense<\/a> is elite, which its marked out in the book they go expense is perfectly marked down. Except Michael Cohen<\/a> said its not actually so perfect. The prosecutions star witness in trumps Hush Money Trial<\/a>. He finally took the stand today. Welcome to a Special Edition<\/a> of lauren the codes live alongside abby phillip right here in new york, anal for years, Michael Cohen<\/a>, he was Donald Trumps<\/a> attack dog, but today, the person who made it a point to keep track those enemies in line. Tourney against his former boss in court. And of course, under oath, trump himself, realizing the importance of the moment, shut up with a huge entourage of political allies, including possible vp pick, jd vance for a president. Remaining quite restrained though which of cohens testimony but on the other end of the courtroom, the jury was listening. They were taking notes and the prosecutions hopefully, each one of those jurors are looking past cohens lets call it obvious baggage and trying to connect the dots to see if the prosecution has built the case in the last 16 days. That is of course trying donald trump directly to the alleged criminal scheme for those 34 false Business Records<\/a>. So ultimately how do they use Michael Cohen<\/a> to do that . Well, they had him speak to trumps political motivations to silence Stormy Daniels<\/a>, his approval of the scheme and this is key, his final signoff of cohens reimbursement. So cohen testified that once trump learned Stormy Daniels<\/a> was shopping i think her story he didnt care how would impact him as his wife has only concern was the campaign. Cohen said the trump told him, quote, men will hate me guys, they think its cool, but this is going to be a disaster for the campaign. Cohen also claims trump told him to do what he often did for trump just fix it. He testified that trump quote stated to me that he had spoken to some friends, some individuals, very smart people, and that its 130,000, yoyour like a billionaire, just pay it theres no reason to keep this thing out there do it. And he expressed to me just do it Michael Cohen<\/a> eventually had to front the money himself because i guess he wasnt like a billionaire. And then near the end of todays testimony, he came full circle, bringing the entire Stormy Daniels<\/a> hush money scheme, right back to donald trump. Trump and cohen saying that these went to former trump cfo Allen Weisselberg<\/a> in early 2017 were they agreed on the reimbursement plan. He an always work, but to get gave that plan to trump and then cohen says that trump personally approved it. Now the prosecution asked cohen directly whether he was being paid for future Legal Services<\/a> to which color responded thats what it was designed to be. Then the process so get your what was it actually with cohen responding reimbursement of my money. I want to bring into the legal analyst, Jennifer Rodgers<\/a> and Michael Moore<\/a> civil and criminal defense attorney dante mills, courts reporter for the new york daily news. Molly cray newman and retired judge George Grosso<\/a> are really important day too. Lee be with you, judge grass. So because you were in the courtroom today, abby and i work as well this morning. You actually did the whole de and of course, michael column, hes known for his because clotted charismatic temperament right . Sometimes bombastic, sometimes berating. He was not presenting as that today at all. He was measured, he was calm and restrained. What did you see . He was smooth he told the complete story. He didnt hesitate the warrant uncomfortable pauses. And i thought that was his ark was quite interesting having ive been there every day. So having heard all of the testimony firsthand, how they he starts with that infamous first meeting and trump tower with him and pecker and trump, where the Cachin Skill Kill Scheme<\/a> was plotted. And then the positive stories and then negative stories. And he went from that arc all the way other key aspects of the case from the doorman payment of 30,000 to the Karen Mcdougal<\/a> payment of 150,000 to the Stormy Daniels<\/a> payment of 130,000. And where do they basically end up the plane today . Back in trumps office. In trump tower with Michael Cohen<\/a> donald trump, and now substituted for Pecker Weisselberg<\/a> with the dynamite, Dynamite Piece<\/a> of evidence. The weisselberg notes laying out the scheme that involve the false records to pay down to pay Michael Cohen<\/a> 420,000, not do with his reimbursement, but do it for bogus Legal Services<\/a>. And Michael Cohen<\/a> walked that document right into trump. It was fascinating compelling testimony. There are still has to be crossexamination, obviously, this is going to be a witness subject to very serious crossexamination. But i think the Prosecution Team<\/a> is feeling pretty good tonight, and i dont think defendant trump is feeling that great, right now, you talked about the ark two and molly, i want to get you in here because the ark that you also saw was he talked about being honored to have been asked to work from in the first instance, climbing the trumporg age like a family, he was almost sycophantic and wistful in the way that he described when they actually asked them, how did you feel when donald trump will give you praise and his voice trailed off . I thought i was on top of the world. I mean, this is how he was beginning historian there he is now facetoface with trump. Yeah, i think thats kind of some of the strongest emotion we saw from him when he was talking about how much of an honor it was to work for trump. And i can describing hes always called the fixer and we hear he was his loyal luck he in many ways, he said when i was hired, my job was to my only job was to work for donald trump. I didnt take tasks from anybody else. And once he won the white house, i had no job any kind of described being despondent once trump won because he didnt really know what to do with himself and he was expecting to go to washington with trump and that didnt immediately look clear, but it was it was quite remarkable hearing. Im kind of describe the better years and when he was sort of the day that this opportunity came up to work for trump is the last day he worked for his firm. And that he moved into the fantasy old office and he was right by trump at trump tower yes, that was pretty remarkable. I mean, i not to be Debbie Downer<\/a>, but but breed ebitda at the end of the de this was you know, theyre going to present this sort of like rose colored case with Michael Cohen<\/a> just giving all the perfect answers. But there were some things that are not going to be left unanswered, even just the kind of Hearsay Element<\/a> of it. Its really just Michael Cohen<\/a>s word that is anchoring actually the biggest part of this case at this point. Yeah. I mean, theyre going to have to get into some of the bad stuff before they turn them over. They certainly dont want the Defense Lawyers<\/a> to have the first crack at tearing down Michael Cohen<\/a>. Hes going to have to do some of that himself first and they will do that tomorrow without question. One of the things is talk about how he was so wistful and so positive about his time with trump since then on his podcast. And in 1 million tv parents appearances and so on, he hasnt really been that way, so hes going to have to explain how the breach happened, how he felt, how he transformed, and maybe the thats a persona that hes putting on for the purposes of the podcast or whatever, but hes going to have to own up to those feelings because theyre ready the defenses ready to pound him over the head with that 1 million times, but cant both be true. I mean, just thinking about if youre the prosecutor kitchen, you really want to freeze him in time and say, yeah, okay. Hates him now but im focusing on when this all went down. This is the moment in time to focus on when he this is the job that was done on every the all the bias. Its a developing now is after the fact, how do you play both . Have to, because everybody starts in order to have a Special Relationship<\/a> with trump, had to be good at some point. So you can disregard that. You cant ignore the fact that he was dedicated to trump exclusively for very, very long time. And in fact, i mean, hes named trumps attack dog all of that kind of stuff he was a bad person. But for trump. So even when you talk about what the crossexamination there, of course theyre going to call him a liar. Theyre going to talk about his flaws, but he used those flaws to benefit the defendant. Thats sitting right there. So ultimately, what hes going to say is well, we did this together. We were in this together and i saw the light. I accept responsibility. Now its his turn. He would you mentioned yeah, thats okay theyre talking about the tape because this is going to be in love with him im in him at the same time and thats really what happened. He gives a benign reason for tatum know, but nine reason to say im taping my im taping my buddy hanna, who happens to be my client and who i love and worship, but i didnt jelly by taped it. And thats whats going to catch you tomorrow. He told theyre gonna get him on crossexamination about all the different times that hes lied. And one of the biggest times that we saw today was a delight in court because he said, i always told trump what was going on. He knew everything. I was totally honest with him. I told him what happened guess what, he didnt tell him that he was taping. This was a secret recording, so hes now allowed in court in this case a whole lot. He did what he said was there for remembering correctly, it was to you . She asked the question to the best of your knowledge, are you aware of whether trump was aware that you are recording and he said, no. So he didnt neglect you say, i am not saying it wasnt surreptitious because she did because she didnt tell him. I mean, he he hes got his little record ago when in private while hes having this meeting. So youve got him now hiding something from the man he says is responsible for everything. Well, that just doesnt make sense. I mean, that doesnt fit together, not two mention the fact that is completely distasteful and all kind of creepy that youre taping. Just ask the tape is all kinds of fascinating, but there is a part of the tape that makes you wonder, did Michael Cohen<\/a> believed that at the time even that karen do Mcdougal Transaction<\/a> was maybe a little bit illegal and wanted to memorialize on the record that donald trump was was involved at knew about and what damaging to hold it open for the audience at what he said was an off the expiration Michael Cohen<\/a> gave was i recorded the conversation. Because i wanted to make sure that david pecker, who was increasingly antsy about being repaid knew that trump intended to do so because he had this drawer full of boxes, full of ammunition, essentially against him and that was what he gave as x1 for the question. He knew that trump was on board with everything that was going on, but they never played, right pay tape itself is the reason why i believe this case move forward because without that, take your simply relying on Michael Cohen<\/a>s word but that tape puts trump directly into the conversation saying, cash, are we paying cash . And i think thats the sum the sum and substance of why Michael Cohen<\/a> has credibility, because trump is on tape, but it turned out i think that the way cohen put it, fit very well with david peckers testimony. But i have one question that i can help but theyre asking is Debbie Downer<\/a> related to Douglas Dennison<\/a> inside joke . I think another way to let here the tape is that it sounds like a businessman and hes got his cfo and his lawyer handling things and Allen Weisselberg<\/a> is handling things and michael tails are dont worry, allens on top of this. I mean, thats on the tape and thats what thats what a ceo does is he let somebody else do the work and he signs the paper and whatever else. And so then were not going to have weisselberg come to court. And so youve essentially got this absent witness youve got Michael Cohen<\/a> saying this in microcode made one recording that theyve given and it cut off in the middle and we dont have recording of trump say and yeah, go ahead and lets make some files, records or i know theres just two coming call and i think they have a phone right . Get the corroborates the incoming. Thats going to be i dont have another tape, but they dont have another record. We can have a record that corroborates but its a phone call cut off, but theres no theres no other recording. This is just this one. Thani said hes never recorded trump, except that one time. And the reason he did it was because he was worried about keeping David Packard<\/a> happy. So we took an oath to tell the truth too, and they went to jail wouldnt it be so fascinating if there was president in history who had tapes and i could talk to his former lawyer john d, is coming on standby because that everyday i see so when legal orbit of a president ended up testifying against them, but of course it has happened before. Im talking with the former Nixon White House<\/a> counsel john dean very is he joins me next, actually next. Oh, now, while you play music in my ear then so okay, here john. Oh, youre right now. Youre testimony. I want to talk to you right now. Youre testimony, again, former president nixon is frankly legendary what did you think of cohens testimony today . Ralph all the reports ive heard, it was very good. Obviously, the big test is going to come tomorrow as the panel made clear, when he subject to cross when you look at this, i mean, the idea of this tape, obviously, the nixon tapes distinct from whats happening here in this courtroom, but you disclosed your suspicion about the existence of nixons oval office tapes. We were to talking about the jury hearing. The tape of trump and cohen talking about this Hush Money Payment<\/a> to chemical duggan. I want to play for just to remind everyone what this tape sounded like. Listen to this correct. So im im all over that. And i spoke to alan about it when it comes time for the financing, which will be well ive yourself getting old woman. I got no, no now, cohen offers a kind of innocent explanation. He says recording his own client that he wanted to prove david pecker that trump was going to pay him for that and Hush Money Payment<\/a> did that. And does that sound believable to you that a jury would buy that its possible. I have no reason to doubt michaels assessment of why he was running his Voice Recorder<\/a> when he went into the office of sounds like it doesnt sound like he turned it on when he got in there i understand that he cut it short because he had an incoming phone call which on my iphone often does cut. Anything else off. So thats understandable also, and he didnt take the call, apparently. So i will hear his fuller explanation tomorrow. When you can be sure hes gonna be grilled on this issue at ad nauseum. If not even longer. Yeah. I mean, were hearing that the cross will be likely as long as the different direct, if not maybe longer, theres gonna be a focus on trying to undermine his credibility by breaking them over the coals as you can possibly imagine here. And then youve got the idea of bias weve talked a lot about the moment in time where he worked for trump. But most people, know Michael Cohen<\/a> in the aftermath theres going to be comments about his bias, his animus about revenge, possibly. Cohen testified that he was resentful at not being brought to washington after he had done so much for trump what do you think that aspect is going to play well, i would think he probably was more resentful of having his Bonus Cutting<\/a> two down sharply as it was. And the faculty was told his career was over with the Trump Organization<\/a>. And then the he explained that his ego was what . Made him want to at least be on a list to go to washington. But i thought he came up with a fairly clever way that he could cash in, which was to be the private counsel of the president Richard Nixon<\/a> had a private counsel who got a lot of clients as a result of his association with nixon hed let her go to jail for his fundraising, but he did do well while nixon was president. As a result of that connection, i think that michael probably would have done well had things unraveled a little differently. Can talk to me about the enormous pressure. Frankly, that Michael Cohen<\/a> is under him and he has been billed as the star witness for several months for really a very long time now, you have testified under tremendous pressure. What is it like living with . The anticipation and then the aftermath well, mostly i think particularly attorneys tend to just spend their time preparing and not thinking a lot about whats going to happen in my own case, i had to work with the prosecutors who really had on and off knowledge of watergate they quizzed me at length before my testimony, and then they went broad and you used me as a databank and a source and then after my testimony, immediately before they stop talking to me, and then after my test pneumonia, i was on the stand for two weeks during the big trial where i was working with the prosecutors. So in the courtroom situation, after that testimony, they had become to the back room and i met with them every break they came in, they would have questions for me sort of their database to get get facts about witnesses they were about to cross and what have you. So it was a very unique vantage point. I got to see the trial, which was from the prosecutors own room. But how did it feel in terms of your safety, your feelings of laura . I wouldnt really feel any pressure. Okay. I was very comfortable with what i was doing i was before i testified before the senate because i had worked on capitol hill. I was familiar with the forum. It was theres no rules of hearsay and of course, in hearings like that, so you can go wide and far when you answer questions. Its much its much more difficult to testify in a courtroom where there are rules of evidence. You have to be much tighter and your answers, and it seems die was struck from the reports today. I havent seen the transcript yet. That michael but was very wellprepared and i think youll probably be prepared and ready to take it on the chin tomorrow and take some punches in the gut and deal with them in a calm and collected manner. I think taking on the chin and maybe a punch in the gut would be the bestcase scenario who youre talking about the crossexamination of Michael Cohen<\/a>, john dan. Thank you so much. Thank you. Laura and ahead, Michael Cohen<\/a> has been described in court like the dog who yells, squirrel, but today, he was calm on the stand. Jurors actually view this testimony and his credibility as well. We have a Jury Consultant<\/a> whos joining us Snacks Fashion<\/a> moves fast. So we partner with verizon to take our operations to the next level with a custom private 5g networks, we get more control well, if Production Efficiencies<\/a> and greater agility, thats and to intelligence. Its your vision, its your verys underwear are period proof and sneeze proof and swept. 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Hes very aggressive, hopeless, like the dog who yells squirrel but today, they actually got to meet the man that allegedly no one wanted to talk to you and the Trump Organization<\/a> and the Michael Cohen<\/a> that they met though, is much more subdued than the man who was described as a highly excitable person, cone on the stand today, even poked fond and how hes been described so the question is, how is the jury going to ultimately receive all of this testimony . I want to bring in jury and trial consultant robert hirshhorn. Robert it is interesting question when the person sitting in front of you is so very different from the person that youve been hearing about in a lot of ways, how is the jury gonna reconcile that so they came in with a set of expectations and he completely did not match up to it. And as ive been telling everybody, its not how a witness does on direct examination. Its our axon cross so if he maintains the same kind of state of mind, if you continues to become if he maintained his a plum the jury is going to be much more likely to believe him, but remember, abby, this is the person that went from saying, i take a bullet for trump to the guy whos now shooting bullets at trump. And hes going to come in with a lot of baggage and i expect the defense is going to go right after yeah. I think its going to be very different. At vibe in that courtroom, i was in there today in the morning and its so striking how this jury is. I mean, listen, i my hat goes off to them because they know that they have a really important job to do, and they walk into that room, stonefaced. Theyre looking straight ahead. They walked directly, one in front of The Other Two<\/a> jury box, and they take their seats and maybe more than half of them pull out pens and pads and their scribbling down notes practically the entire session. It was about over five hours today with Michael Cohen<\/a> i wonder what you think that signals to them signals about them and about what kind of jury theyre going to be. Because there are some juries that are going to be about the letter of the law. And then there are some juries that might be about what they feel in their gut so they know this is a historic case. And i want to tell the whole audience, regardless of the outcome, even if its a hung jury guardiolas we ought to give kudos to this jury because its a really difficult job. Thats why they call it jury duty, not jury fun, not jury vacation. Yeah. So we ought to be proud of them. So abby, heres the thing the fact that we havent lost a single juror should signal to everybody how seriously they are taking this the fact that theyre taking copious notes, they are going to do the very best job they can decide in this particular case. And i want to tell everybody theyre going to hold the government or in this case, the prosecution to the burden of proof. And im telling you this is because this jury is so smart theyve got to lawyers on the jury. This is, theyve got a phd on this jury. This curious, so smart that if the prosecution doesnt prove their case they understand their job is going to be in a find this defendant not guilty. Ive been saying abbey, this could very well be the oj simpson number two, everybody knew oj was guilty, but the state didnt prove their case. Its possible this could happen here, and the big reason why abby wheres weasel burn . Well i just saw right. Im so glad you brought that up. The abs that has become the Elephant In The Room<\/a>, especially after today. If youre the jury at you here, Allen Weisselberg<\/a>, and youre like, where is this guy . And the judge when he dealt with this issue, they werent in the room for it so are they gonna go into that Deliberation Box<\/a> and say, why on earth what was the prosecution afraid of where they afraid to bring while yeah. Burke to the stand yeah. Because its either going to support trump or worse, hes going to take the fifth, which tells the jury hes the guilty guy, not trump. Heres the thing, abby the. State is corroborated a lot of things that colon is done, but what they havent been able to corroborate are the individual communications between cohen and trump and the prosecution is really hoping that the jurors are going to believe cohens version of what happened, but theres a perfect answer. If the answer is called Allen Weisselberg<\/a>, the jury. And again, we got to smart jury with two lawyers. These lawyers know that the state has to prove their case if theres no weisselberg, there may not be a case. So even if the jury believes who and even if they believe cohen, they still so maybe you wondering, wheres weisselberg iri thats very, very interesting. Robert hirshhorn, thank you very much for bringing that to us thank you, abby. And on that note, lets come out to the panel here. I mean, john where is Allen Weisselberg<\/a> . Hes all over Michael Cohen<\/a>s testimony. But does he hang over this case at this point . He does right now. I mean, its going to have to be addressed in the parties are currently in the process of talking to the judge about whats going to happen, right . Prosecutors wanted to introduce the Severance Agreement<\/a> that weisselberg had with the Trump Organization<\/a> to explain why hes not available because all this money is still coming to him if he doesnt cooperate voluntarily with law enforcement, they said theyd also take get up that hes in prison for perjury and therefore unavailable theyre probably not going to get those things, but the judge actually said today they werent going to get youre not going to get the Severance Agreement<\/a>s, but well get some sort of instruction. I mean, they have to get some sort of instruction that somehow, not just that its not just the typical missing witness dont hold it against either side. You cant speculate as to why hes not here. I think theyll get Something Better<\/a> than that, but what that actually looks like the parties are still fighting, but they have to get something hes definitely the element that missing ease in rikers, just everyone knows hes know where to find them. Hes got like a Inmate Number<\/a> as well. And so but the reason there is the conundrum is because they cant call they cant bring this to effort to remain in for the purpose of showing that hes not available. They also cant necessarily bring him in to testify knowing that he might plead the fifth throughout and not actually substance testimony there in a real pickle here, thinking about how you do it by the same token, theyve tried to call everyone else, but weisselberg had called mcconney. Theyve called another bookkeeper as well. Could that be enough . I dont think so. I mean, i really think that theyre going to need to have him come in because he does he is the one in the room that supposedly has these sort of intimate details about what was said and who did what and who approved what and how it was going to work to backup cohen . I mean, theyve corroborated some stuff like that. The sun came up and trump rights with a sharpie and im an aid corroborator. I mean, really theyve corroborates and things like their but when it comes to the crux of it, when it comes to what were talking about in the indictment thats where they needed him. And i think thats going to be a problem for because its two things to this. We have to remember two parts to this case. One is the Business Records<\/a> component, and then two is did he do that . He hide this for the purposes of the election . I think cohen today solidified that this was done for the purposes of the election, but that other component, the Business Records<\/a> being doctored, weisselberg is the one that would be able to testify to that and can confirm that. And cohen cant do it. He said he had the conversation with weisselberg once we went into the room, a meeting with trump and thats where they discussed it, but he cant talk about what was said in that meeting. So nobody knows that that piece is still hang i think the door is still open a little bit and i need them. The judge on that point, i mean, you could you youve given 1 million instructions on circumstantial evidence, wright jury, youre going to look at hi in the evening went too bad. There was green grass. You woke up in the morning. It was covered in snow, right . Then it must have snow snowed exactly. And so i take a bit of a contrary view. Theyve got to kill a piece of evidence thats been put in today. And i alluded to that earlier the weisselberg notes, not notes on any piece of paper, by the way, the essential consulting. Thank statement with the 130,000. So weve been authenticated its okay. Bitten into evidence or jeff mcconney, the comptroller but then there were doubly admitted to the api cohen who said, i dont only recognize weisselbergs handwriting. I saw him make those notes i think substantively, one of the most important things for the peoples case that Michael Cohen<\/a> did today he brings that piece of paper right into trumps office. Thats the piece of paper that theyre using to set up the scheme the scheme where theyre going to pay Michael Cohen<\/a> the 420,000 and disguise it as lawyers fees as far as the evidence, there is 34 counts. You know what i think the nine the nine strongest cout saw, their nine checks trump sayyed for 35,000 the people have put in evidenced throughput. Heres a guy who has bragged about caching 0. 50 checks. The jury is going to be expected to believe he signed nine checks for 35,000 each for Michael Cohen<\/a>, who was performing know independent Legal Services<\/a> unless he was aware of that. I take a contrary view. I think its a compelling case that makes it interesting point because you will have to remember its not ill just invoices or checks. I mean, theres a lot of different accounts are 34 when they could very well find some and then none. How did this play in the courtroom that i mean, were talking about the Elephant In The Room<\/a> that was not there on my suburb. Did you get a sense bring in the courtroom today that the jury was wanting more oh, it was kinda interesting today. There were so few objections because so much of the evidence we saw a cohen was already in. There, wasnt me. Theyre there were about 27 objections. Overruled. And about half of them are sustained. But it was pretty there was not one sidebar today. So everything about stormy last week and the lawyers are constantly up to the bench so it was kind of a flowed quite smoothly in comparison to some other witnesses that weve seen, a lot of these documents that have come in though we learned after the fact their significant. So last week when we saw that statement with Allen Weisselberg<\/a>s handwriting on it what could be potential smoking gun . Weisselberg signing calculating how much conus out on a statement for the literal alleged hush money and today we heard about again, that cohens handwriting was also on that statement the 50,000 that that was a new piece of information red finch. We didnt know that before. So i think itll be very interesting to see when the prosecution gives their Closing Statement<\/a> and they tie this all up together. But what was very interesting about cohen today, i think he wove together so much of what weve heard these documents, the different witness. Its important to think about all this and again, the jury hearing it before the Pre Corroboration<\/a> is so crucial as a strategy knowing youve got quiet the achilles heel. 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But donald trump and his campaign while they came prepared, parading more trump allies into this courtroom today than any other de of the trial in attendance were Vice President<\/a> ial contender, steady vance, the senator from ohio, also there, senator Tommy Tuberville<\/a> of alabama, congresswoman nicole malia takas of the state of new york, and Attorneys General<\/a> from alabama and iowa Steve Marshall<\/a> and brennan bird, respectively from a republican president ial candidate, Vivek Ramaswamy<\/a> is expected to be there tomorrow also, i think in the vip stakes, but it all begs the question why why is this even happening and why now back with us as attorney dante mills, cnn contributor leah wright rigueur, political analysts, natasha alford, dante, i want to get you on this because i think that theres all the circus of it, but its important. These other people who are not trump, the jd vances of the world, theyre out there in front of the cord. Theyre making all kinds of false statements, but theyre also doing what they know. Trump cant do which is attack the witnesses, attack the judges daughter thats kind of look, it may not be crossing an illegal line, but its Crossing A Line<\/a> in a way. It definitely isnt. You said is that when we talked about before the gag order, you said its actually working, right . Trump is stopped. He stopped talking as much and hes not hes not crossing the line but we see hes employing other people to do it. Jd vance did that today, talked about merchants daughter, which is not supposed to happen. The problem is, i dont know what authority the judge has to control what other people are saying. So this may continue to go on, but as long as its not trump doing it, then theres no punishment. Well, thats the whole design. If it right. Thats the thats the part thats important to think about. And also whos doing it. I mean, these are members of congress who are mean brought in as well, who are just the optics of it. Natasha there to support him for a criminal case involving actions taken to try to hide from the American Public<\/a> allegedly a payment like this but laura, theres almost like a pre filter selected for the type of people who are willing to do these things. You know, jd vance willing to flip flop, right . First, he was antitrump. Now all of a sudden hes in trumps camp. Its about power. Its about proximity to power. And i think that this is a test. This is the Loyalty Tests<\/a> to see whos willing link to do whatever it takes to speak in trumps favor. And of course, one of the things trump was really excited about today, were at the polls a big new york timessiena poll showing these leading and a lot of battleground states. And that is a snapshot of the race as it is right now. Essentially taken all together. This is an either a tight race or trump is slightly ahead and that is happening in spite of all of this, this, legal legal imbroglios that hes a part of well, i think theres two things that are going on. The first is that it tells us that the Biden Administration<\/a> is having some real struggles with key demographics that make up the alliance or the coalitions that are necessary to win for the Biden Administration<\/a> to win reelection but the other thing is that there is a trial that is going on in the court of Public Opinion<\/a> this is why all of these people who are coming in auditioning for the trump show, the trump beep stakes, whatever were going to call it. But also putting that messaging out there. If you listen to what theyre saying there actually making the argument that this is injustice, this is unfair, this is not a legitimate process. And so theyre doing the work that trump cannot do. One because theres a gag order, but also two, because he is locked up. Pardon the pun, but he has locked up in court in trials and quite literally has to take care of The Business Of<\/a> of, of being under investigation and being indicted. So what we what were seeing here is the outcome and the player, the playbyplay of this. And what were, what i think telling us is that his strategy is actually working so its the combination of the Biden Administration<\/a> failing and a lot of ways, but also the Trump Administration<\/a> strategy in this kind of chaotic moment. But heres a split screen as well. I mean, theres a Strategy Being<\/a> employed now, maybe rolled out by the Vice President<\/a> Kamala Harris<\/a> . Not at all. Fending off any legal attacks, but being more and more increasingly visible and he or she was taken today Talking In Dc<\/a> about breaking down barriers and she wasnt minting are words back many centuries being a little bit more relatable. This, or this my mother would say to me, dont you ever let anybody tell you who you are you tell them who you are. We have to know that sometimes people will open the door for you and leave it open sometimes they wont then you need to kick the door down my life was like, its like cabinet for reporters to have politicians curse, especially using the fword the vile things that donald trump has said that hes been allowed to get away with like, let Vice President<\/a> harris have her moment of authenticity and i think thats what people want. They dont want talking points, they want to know that they can believe in these candidates and what struck me about that poll that leah was just talking about 50 of people say the economy is bad. And thats against all of the numbers that we talk about. Stocks being up, jobs, being created. And so theres a disconnect and that is a heart issue. How are you connecting with the minds and the hearts of the people . And i think you just have to be real. Thats how you do it. I also think its important that shes making part shes Making Messages<\/a> where she is really strong so its not just about i kicking the door down. Shes also really strong and messaging on abortion and we know that abortion is one of these things that trump is extremely vulnerable on. She has also been going to various hbcus across the country in either speaking in person, are doing these Videotape Messages<\/a> because i think the Biden Administration<\/a> understanding just how important black voters are to this coalition. So shes really working, i think working the Campaign Trail<\/a> and the ways that she should have been doing from the very beginning. Really important point i think about and truly a moment of authenticity we remember the big effing deal prize herself she was a little bit surprised, waited for like a Beat Machine Prime<\/a> to add are now. Thank you, everyone so much ahead. A story very personal to me. 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