Three, 60 is seen in exclusive President Biden oneonone for the first time, threatening to withhold certain us weapons if israel invades rafah. Also tonight, Breaking News after is defense see may now want to maximize her time on the stand good evening. Thanks for joining us. We begin tonight with Breaking NewsPresident Biden today is that with cnn for rare exclusive interview during a stop in the battleground, state of wisconsin. He talks about the election which well get to in a moment, but hes making headlines right now for what he said about israels ongoing boeing war with hamas, which has become the focal point of College Protests in the and abroad. The interview comes with cia director bill burns and middle leaves to this moment, working on a ceasefire, youre speaking with cnns erin burnett, President Biden for the first time, laying out a new condition for aid to israel i want to ask you about something happening as we sit here and speak and that of course is israeli striking rafah. I know that you have paused mr. President shipments of 2000 pound us bombs to israel due to concern that they could be used in any offensive on rafah have those bombs those powerful 2000 pound bombs, been used to kill civilians in Gaza Civilians have been killed in gaza as a consequence of those bombs and other ways in which they go after Population Centers i made it clear that if they Go Into Rafah, they havent gone in rafah yet. If they Go Into Rafah, im not supplying the weapons that have been used historically to deal with rafah, to deal with the cities that deal with that problem were going to continue to make sure israel is secure in terms of iron dome and their ability to respond to attacks like came out of you and the least recently but its its just wrong. Were not going to were not going to supply the weapons and Artillery Shells use that have been used three shells as well. Yeah. I told her shelf so just to understand what theyre doing right now in rafah, is that not going into rafah as you dont have they havent gotten in the Population Centers where they did is right on the border. And its causing problems with right now in terms of with egypt, which ive worked very hard to make sure we a relationship and help. But ive made it clear to bibi and the war cabinet. Theyre not going to get our support. If in fact they go on these Population Centers he is now seen in chief National Security correspond to alex more quiet, also, two former White House Communications director is kate bedding field, who served in the Biden Administration on this far griffin served in the previous semester situation. Allosaurus. All. How do you think these comments are gonna be received by israel . Because netanyahu has made very clear how important they believe going into rafah is yeah. I dont think they didnt go down very well interest and when they take full stock of what biden is saying here, and i really think that this is the most significant shift in this question of american aid for israel to date, biden saying very clearly the us will no longer send some of the biggest weapons at the us has been sending to israel, bombed artillery, et cetera. If israel goes into those Population Centers in rafah. Now earlier today, anderson, we heard from the idf, they essentially had dismissed the holdup of one american shipment of bombs essentially saying that theyre working through it. This is just a temporary delay, but biden making very hey, clear here that there is a change in american policy. And that if, that, if israel does not heed this american warning to not Go Into Rafah without a more comprehensive plan that american support will stop on the offensive front. Now, ive spoken to members of the administration tonight. Us is making very clear they are differentiating between offense if and defensive weapons. Biden saying the same interview that they will continue to help defend israel as we saw with the attack by iran against israel, they will continue to help with the iron dome system. But theres now a major question of how much longer the us will continue support israel offensively, if essentially israel defined is the us and goes into rafah, goes into these Population Centers. Its a very, very stark warning. It seems like there may be room, some sort of wiggle room here because the administration, the vitamin is thracian has for a long time now been urging restraint from israel in any action in russia, in rafah and elsewhere and trying to sort of move them more to sort of more targeted Special Forces type operations to try to root out or kill members of hamas or obviously search for hostages. Israel has called their operation in rafah strategics reichs which may just be a branding exercise. But if israel was willing to maybe adopt more the tactics that the Biden Ministration wants. Perhaps theres wiggle room there weve been told this for months, anderson, i was a Newsreel Back in december when jake sullivan, National Security adviser said that they anticipated that israel would start switching to what he was calling lower intensity phase of this war, expected in january. And thats simply hasnt happened. So this is a shut cross the bow by the Biden Administration. You could hear the president there in that clip saying that essentially this rafah operation hasnt started in earnest. And us understands that israel does want to take that part of the Rafah Border With E Egypt to better control that israel certainly sees this Rafah Operation Limited as it is right now as a way to pressure hamas to perhaps agreed to a ceasefire deal. But anderson the israel has made no bones about the fact that they do plan to Go Into Rafah, that there are four hamas battalions there that remain and they cant radek kate hamas without going in while the us does disagree and says, you have to go in and a much more strategic way, much more tactical way here the president is saying that adding to that, were not going to give you the weapons to do what it is that you want to do. Adding to that pressure to go in much more tactically, anderson you think back to prison, bidens first visit to israel after october 7, and the israelis greeted that with joy and amazement over the, the the support that biden was offering israel for for what they were calling a total war against. This is obviously a big change obviously the president is under extraordinary political pressure here in the United States and globally, what, what do you think of this line . Hes now drawing well, i think as somebody who worked for joe biden for a long time and watched him up close making these kinds of Foreign Policy decisions. I think contextually, its important for people to understand that he doesnt make these decisions lightly. He doesnt make them in a kneejerk way. Youve youve been discussing for the last few months, he and his his team have been working directly with the israelis to push them to a more tactical approach to rafah. This is something that has been a priority for him as hes worked to try to discourage the israelis from from conducting Conducting Raids that have, have left such broadbased casualties. So this is not something, this is not the kind of thing that joe biden says or does solely under political pressure i think this is a reflection of where the conflict has moved over these last seven months. Now, youve seen him consistently put tried to put public pressure, particularly over the last few months on netanyahu. And the israeli gov government to try to minimize casualties. And so this is from what i can see, this is simply the next step. I mean, this is him saying were going to put action behind our words here. So i think as people are absorbing this and kind of understanding why joe biden is making this decision now, i think its important to have that context that that is the way that he approached which has this kind of decisionmaking. And for him, its less about the political pressure, you know, if it were solely about the political pressure, then you would have Seen Movement from him over the last few weeks as pressure was ramping up on these College Campuses. But thats just that is not the lens that he uses to make these kinds of consequential decisions where hes weighing main painting American Security interests in the region standing by our ally in israel and simultaneously trying to reduce the suffering that were seeing in gaza. Those are complicated things to balance. And so hes trying to strike that. Balance. Alyssa, israeli officials have made the point repeatedly that any weakening or any lack of resolve shown by the us and support of israel plays into the hands of hamas, certainly at the Negotiating Table makes it less likely. I mean, there are a lot of israeli officials who will tell you or believe that having a Strong Military response encourages negotiators, encourages hamas to make concessions. Well, an alex alluded to that. I think this is being announcement by joe bidens being panned by the right, the center, and even some moderate democrats, John Fetterman called it disappointing because a key part of the rafah invasion is using it as leverage as a ceasefire is attempting to be negotiated. And what wasnt talked about in depth in this interviews. There are hostages are also still american hostages. So this sort of standoffish as though america doesnt have a vital role in this, i think is not being received well politically. But joe biden runs into the could run into alienating the left who is not going to buy the idf is not in rafah. You see the explosions, you see that they are physically there in parts of it though on the border but then on the center right, the nikki haleys swing voters who will determine this election, feeling like he said he had an ironclad commitment to israel. Yet this does not bring of an ironclad commitment alex, i mean, in terms of israels response to this, they have repeatedly netanyahu has repeatedly made the basically downplayed the Civilian Casualties and they, or they talked about the numbers of hamas fighters that they claimed to have killed. Theres no way to independently verify that and the number of civilians killed as well. Obviously, the images coming out of gaza are horrific. The number of children theres so many children in the population, so many women being killed in, we see these videos every single day. They are horrific to watch im wondering what you made it a moment that present biden acknowledged that civilians have been killed in gaza as a consequence of some of these 2000 pound bombs us has supplied by israel. I mean, its a statement of fact it is a statement of fact. I think its a remarkable admission. I mean, this has been the biggest criticism by people who want to see this war ends as soon as its possible that the us continues to supply israel with a weapons. Who, and in turn, they continue to carry out these strikes that have led to this enormous death toll. I understand youre absolutely right that israel has kind of quibbles with those figures. But even if you look at israels figures around 15,000 hamas fighters killed your store well talking about around 20,000 civilians, most of whom are women and children. So what you hear in that moment is the president really reckoning with the death toll that has happened in many ways at the hands of american weapons. And he said very pointedly, its just wrong and so he kind of up certainly wants to see that the killing with these american bombs and the us has talked repeatedly about how the civilian death toll is too high. But in tel, now they really havent taken any steps to constrain israel. Weve had this remarkable moment for the past few months where american bombs had been dropping on israel. And at the same time, american aid has been dropping in israel. The pentagon is going through extract to extraordinary lengths to build this pier off the coast of gaza to get aid in. And so its just been this from Markle Contradiction but you by the way, just you said it, aid and bombs dropping in israel been dropping in gaza, human sorry, into gaza. Yes, the aid drops coming from the planes, from the americans, aid coming in from the sea, from land so its just been, its just been incredible enter. So we should note this is extremely symbolic and this is a real signal to israel, of course, israel could plow ahead head and carry out an operation in rafah on the ground. And from the sky, they do have enough weapons to do that. They do have enough of these bombs, but this is a strong message to israel that we are no longer going to send these weapons. If you go into these Populated Areas and continue to kill civilians and more quirky fitting fill alyssa farah griffin. Thank you. Now, more Breaking News and other attempted republican on republican mutiny on capitol hill, republican congresswoman Marjorie Taylor greene and trying to unseat House Speaker mike johnson and seeing her temp gets smacked down. Now the question is, what just happened here . Speaker johnson is just weighed in and so was the former president on a Social Network urging republicans defeat her motion to vacate the speakers chair but only posting it at 5 59 p. M. Several minutes after the vote took place cnns Melanie Zanona has been talking to house members and her sources joins us now with the latest. So how did House Republicans react when greene called up the resolution and how quickly did they move to kill it . Well, i can tell you anderson that gop leadership was completely caught off guard. Im told that margin can you Taylor Greene did not give advance notice to johnson that this was coming, but johnson knew all along that it was possible she would force a floor vote on this motion to vacate this week, so he did have a plan in place which was to immediately scheduled the vote the moment that she called it up. And that is exactly what he did. And as you saw, that motion was easily defeated with the help of democrats. But even though it did easily fail, republicans are still furious with Marjorie Taylor greene for following through with this threat and some are even calling for consequences. Take a listen right now. Were all focused on making sure that this institution continues to function. And i think today we showed that were tired of the chaos and the nonsense and this pathetic rerun of of an awful syndicated tv series, sydney just to come to a close, i think that there needs to be ultimately there needs to be accountability. I dont think people should be some people here think theyre more important than everyone else. They are not in there needs to be accountability for that. Look, i think its idiotic moscow. Marjorie has lost her mind clearly the result of the space laser there needs to be consequences including the loss of committee assignments, chip, roy and thomas massie, who served on the rules committee, should both be removed immediately now, johnson has not advocated for any consequences, but he has said that they need to change the house rules next year, and he also said off the house floor today that he hopes after this vote they can put all these messy fights that have defined the 118th Congress behind them. Finally, shed had a bunch of meetings with johnson over the last couple of days. Did she give a reason for trying to force this vote . There was some sense that she was trying to find an offramp trying to find some resolutions, perhaps because donald trump himself, im told called her over the last week and urged her to back down not fall through with this. So she did meet with johnson several times this week. She laid out a list of demands in exchange for backing down, but johnson was in no hurry to make a decision and hes also very clear that he was not willing to negotiate with her. He was just willing to hear out her ideas. So ultimately, she decided to pull the trigger today, which is the last day of the house is voting this week. And so well see whether she can continues to force these floor votes in the future, but she has not ruled out doing so. Anderson is known to thank you. Coming up next new developments in the Hush Money Trial and the former president is fighting its the gag order limiting what he can say about it. New details as well as about the defenses fresh willingness. 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