Were how solomon in new york is cnn this is gps, the Global Public square. Welcome to all of you in the United States and around the world im Fareed Zakaria coming to you live from new york today on the program protests on College Campuses reach a breaking point. As Police Make Arrests and shut down encampments is this impinging on students free speech . Or have protesters gone too far . I will be joined by an egyptian and an israeli scholar who teach together at dartmouth to discuss that and much more than swarms of armed drones powered by Artificial Intelligence may indelibly alter the Balance Of Power former name hey, those supreme halide commander, james step redis tells me about this potentially frightening future and since, its birth, the cia was a quintessential Old Boys Club. But all that changed thanks to women like my guest Joanna Mendez the agents these former sheaf of disguise hear from her about breaking the Glass Ceiling while winning the spy game but first heres My Take The World is a tense place these days with europe consumed by its biggest land war since 1945 and conflict continuing to convulse the middle east these tensions would pale into insignificance. However, if a third of rina were to erupt in, asia involving the United States and china those tensions have in fact calmed down in recent months as both washington and beijing have sought to stabilize their relationship but there are now cries in washington to change all that in an essay and foreign affairs, Map Pottinger and Mike Gallagher argue that the United States should adopt a cold war style Containment Policy too. With china, whose goal should be victory that could encourage the Chinese People to quote, explore new models of development and governance unquote. Pardon joe acknowledged on the show last week that an effective us strategy might naturally lead to some form of Regime Collapse Pottinger was Donald Trumps senior most aid on China Policy And Gallagher and outgoing congressman chairs the House Select Committee on china. Their views will likely shape the next Republican Administration but adjourn gallagher argued that biden strategy, managing competition with china does not go nearly far enough. The authors accused the biden team of pursuing a 1970s style detente policy toward china when it should be pursuing a 1980s style Reaganite Policy Designed To Push Beijing Dream to the brink. According to them, we should welcome more friction and tension with china this is an important essay because it lays out clearly the alternative strategy being proposed by some on the right by putting their cards on the table. Pottinger and gallagher help us understand the reckless, dangerous, and utterly impractical nature of their own preferred policy china today bears little resemblance to the soviet union of the 1970s and 1980s. The soviet union was an unnatural empire cobbled together after world war ii with a decrepit economic model that had started to fail by the mid 19 china is the worlds second largest economy and largest Trading Nation unlike the soviet unions totally stateowned economy, china has a mixture of private and public sector. 92 of chinas exports come from a vibrant private sector including 42 from firms with foreign current investors despite its recent troubles, it is still growing at around 5 . And because of its size is likely to stay the worlds second most important economy for decades the soviet union was an isolated economy, whereas china is deeply integrated into the global system trade between america and the ussr peaked at several billion dollars in a year. China and the us do that much trade every few days the ussrs gdp was around 3. 2 trillion added speak roughly 7. 5 of world gdp. Today, chinas gdp is about 20 of global gdp most fundamental if the soviet union was largely a Natural Resource economy, a siberian saudi arabia deriving much of its growth from Extractive Industries like oil, gas, coal nickel, and aluminum china is a diversified manufacturing powerhouse with an increasingly sophisticated Information Technology industry that is second only to the United States in fact, looking back, its clear that in the 1970s, the ussr is economy had stalled, but gotta last lifeline when Global Oil Prices quadrupled by the 1980s, oil prices collapsed. And then so did the soviet union were the United States to embark on a policy of containment . It would likely find itself alone china is the largest Trading Partner of over 120 countries around the world, far more than the us and most of these countries are eager to maintain good ties with beijing 82 of nigerians, for example, say Chinese Investment has been a boon to their economy. Even european nations, americas closest allies, have made clear that they view china as much as a partner as they do arrival Emmanuel Macron noted last year that even in the worstcase scenario of a conflict over time one your should be careful not to mimic americas hostility to beijing. And while he got criticized for those remarks as one german businessman noted to me, we all privately believe what macron said publicly. Men can of scholz was in china last month hoping to deepen economic ties between the two countries. Please American Strategies of Regime Change have rarely worked think of cuba, venezuela, not korea, iraq, and afghanistan and. They are unlikely to work this time, especially in a country like china, where the regime is broadly credited with bringing Major Economic progress for its people after decades of poverty and misery, average incomes in china grew nine fold from. 1978 to 2015 the current bellicosity on the right reminds me of the growing demands for Regime Change against iraq two decades ago but this would be even worse because of chinas size and engagement with the world. A strategy of containment and overthrow would take the us down a hairraising path. Sustained confrontation would unravel the Global Economy risk isolating america and raise the odds of a world war over taiwan it is worth some sobeh reflection before embarking down this road for cnn. Com slash fareed for a link to my Washington Post column this week and lets get started on wednesday and 90 people were arrested at a propalestinian protest at Dartmouth College they are some of the more than 2000 protesters who had been arrested on College Campuses. In the over the last few weeks is free speech being squelched or are the protesters out of line . Joining me are to Dartmouth Professors who coteach a class called the politics of israel and palestine. Bernard aviv chez is an Israeli American scholar who is a visiting professor at dartmouth and is in jerusalem right now. As the dean fissure is a former egyptian diplomat who worked on the un middle east Peace Process in the early 2000s. He is now Senior Lecturer at dartmouth and is in hanover, New Hampshire welcome both of you, bernard, let me start with you. I noticed in your biography in 1968 when you were a student, you occupy the building and Mcgill University im wondering whether you now continue to believe that students should have the right to occupy buildings and do all that kind of disruption that you did all those years ago yes, its true. I was part of a group of students who occupied the Political Science department at mcgill and i have to say i learned a lot in that experience. But ive learned a lot since. And one of the things i learned is that universities are not these Supercilious Impregnable Fortresses against which you batter with your ideas but actually a web of relationships and norms and fragile just like democracy is. And we all have a responsibility to maintain these norms the norms are for debate not for coercion and what is the dean . And i tried to do was model what that kind of debate would look like . I believe that if you are going to set up an encampment on the green at dartmouth, which is really not just some marginal place, its really the main thoroughfare of the campus where theyre Planning Commencement and if you set up an encampment on the green, youre basically saying, i believe in a conception of justice thats so fundamental to me that im going to coerce you to accept it or youre not going to be able to have something thats valuable to you thats not debate. Thats coercion. And if institutions that teach coercion prepare you maybe to be a commissar or a priest, but not to be a citizen of the United States. As a dean, let me ask you about that. It isnt were not splint fed that. I mean, i would guess 90 of students are not part of these demonstrations. They feel like they need to get to their classes. They need to do what theyre doing is this is this not . Coercion rather than education well, it could be, its we have to remember students have a right to express themselves. They have a right to organize protests. If they wish. And they have to be able to do this freely without fear, without intimidation. And also, it is pretty radical and shocking for students to suddenly be confronted with. State troopers and police on campus having said this university is also have a right to protect free speech, to make sure that it happens peacefully, that it doesnt include incitement, that it doesnt intimidate other groups on campus and that whatever disruption it causes and every protest has to cause some kind of disruption that this disruption doesnt derail the main role of the university, which is education and learning now, there are cases where things are very clear as if you occupy a building and prevent people from accessing it for days on but there are other situations where its a fine line between are you annoying some students or are you intimidating them . Are you making them feel . Unsafe . Now, those decisions have to be made by College Leadership and those are difficult decisions by definition, it is not that there is a laser line separating those things but ultimately, the responsibility of the leadership is to make sure the university is open. And that there is access for everybody to do what they are mainly there to do, which is Learning Bernard let me ask you is this highlighting a Fissure Peter Binary wrote an essay in which he said what all this is highlighting the philosophical issue there is now a Crisis Tension between liberalism and zionism that has opened up, that. I think he was implying that zionism being about a kind of Ethno Nationalist state is at odds fundamentally which with liberalism, which says universal rights fall yes, well i think the word zionism here has become pretty mushy you know, when i hear peter talking about zionism, sometimes its like Lindsey Graham talking about socialism. I mean, i, i admire peter. Ive known him for years and think im a very fine person. But i think the word zionism here is getting a bum rap. And anyway, its not really relevant israel is a country. Its a home, its not a cause in the minds of american jews, its a place, its a hebrew speaking country with a politics. And there are liberals in this country who need need the support of liberals around the world. And there are people who are illiberal in this country who ive been fighting for 50 years and we he saw the robustness of this culture war for the last 18 months with hundreds of thousands of people taking the streets so the idea that somehow israel ieee some vague conception of zionism is at odds with liberalism just seems to me a tremendous distraction. 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Were taking care of hamas yes and theyre happy that israel if israel can weaken hamas, they will be happy but the problem is they understand that, that goal is unattainable and then the question practically becomes whether they like hamas or herod, the question becomes, how do we deal with an organization that is there that has capability and that affects the palestinian decisions that governs their approach to hamas. They understand that this Military Operation will cause more damage to the palestinian civilians. Then its going to cause its to hamas. And therefore, they would like to bring it to an end and find a path towards a palestinian state. Now, a credible path to our palestinian state if theyre ticket to resolving this conflict and to both and to deal with the question of hamas but obvio