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You all so much for joining us tonight. Well see you back here tomorrow. Seeee in a news night with abby phillip starts right now protests, sweeping campuses across the country, but President Biden between a rock and a hard place. Thats tonight on good evening im abby phillip in new york tonight, the president ial vacuum, donald trump, wants to fill and to exploit the radical extremists and farleft agitators or terrorizing College Campuses as you possibly noticed, and bidens nowhere to be found. He hasnt said anything but there is Political Base now, trumps characterization of whats happening across universities from coasttocoast is not the whole truth, but look for words from President Biden on whats happening on these propalestinian and cabinets on defending the right of these protesters to exercise free speech on the need to protect jewish students or police arresting some students. And you wont find much. But what is unquestionably and politically painfully clear for the Biden Campaign is that the problem shows no signs of going away tonight, cnn has obtained new been worn camera footage showing the minute by minute view. When officers entered Columbia University last night and were also watching Dartmouth College in New Hampshire where officers appear to be arresting protesters on, that campus so where does this all go next joining me now to talk about this as duke professor frank bruni, he is a New York Times oped columnist and the author of the age of grievance franc, great to have you here very timely, subject for your book what i want to start with, The Big Picture here, because weve been seeing these images from the schools. But whats beneath them is what i see as the strain of absolutism what do you see and where do you think that that comes from . No, i think youre absolutely right. Some of what were seeing is specific to the war in gaza, right . Some of it is particular to the environment of a college campus. But i think a lot of this is about a larger culture and context and a way in which every disagreement in American Life right now gets raised to or near the boy Feeling Point and that happens because the opposite sides d again, nobody really wants to understand what the other sides coming from we confuse conviction and confrontation. And then as you saw in what donald trump was saying, just then, you have various political actors come in to score political points. Right . And they have no interest in common this situation. They just want to exploit an inflame it right now, you have the right saying, this shows an entire generation brainwashed by woken. And you have the left saying that this shows the dawn of an oppressive police state. It shows neither of those things. But when you shout those complaints in the public square, you guarantee this is going to go on and get worse im . So fascinated by the propalestinian movement in this country. I mean, of course whats happening in gaza is important and its important to point out when you have 34,000 dad, many of them children, thats notable, but one of the things about the protesters is that they dont want to talk about the complexity of the longrunning issues in this conflict. And you talk about how you tell your students. Its complicated right now, theres an allergy to complexity. Theres an allergy to complexity. Theres an allergy to nuance. It is really complicated. This is a difficult situation. We cannot condone or be silent about antisemitism, right . Thats non negotiable. We also do protect the right to free speech and when protests are peaceful thats really important. Theres a grand tradition of that, and thats an important american value. Figuring out how to protect jewish students and faculty is how to fight antisemitism. But at the same time, how to protect free speech that is not easy. So we never say its complicated. We never acknowledged its difficult what were trying to do right here, right now is difficult i also think its important to sail though this is spreading and we just saw dartmouth and where i live at unc, theres a big problem right now. We havent seen this a duke. We arent seeing them this on every campus. This is not an entire generation. This is not every college campus. This is not america going, going crazy or whatever this is a particular situation, isnt it a little overindex because maybe its new york city. You can its easy to see whats happening. There. Are we overfocus on whats happening on these college . Campuses and its not distorting our understanding of how widespread these sentiments are. A little bit, yeah, i think were extrapolating from them and were making comments about the entire country that is not entirely true while they reflect a wider culture they dont reflect the normal behavior of most americans every day we do not see most people haveing this way. And in fact, if you look at what people are paying attention to on social media, a lot of people arent nearly as dialed into this as donald trump would have you believe, or is mike johnson would have you believe when he came to new york and said maybe we should call out the National Guard that was not helpful. Thats pouring gas on the situation, not trying to settle us speaking of congress today, lawmaker curves pass this bipartisan bill that defined antisemitism to include targeting the state of israel. Its a fairly broad definition that some even some democrats pushed back on saying that it really chilled speech against the government of israel is that kind of stuff even helpful in this environment is a performative, not something that brought isnt helpful. You use the right word. I dont know how were supposed to interpret that and i dont know whos going to determine what is simply opposition to israel and whats antisemitism thats a really hazy judgment to make. It is performative. Politicians are looking to a piece certain constituencies they do that all the time, but at certain junctures, thats very dangerous are less issue of zionism antiisrael, et cetera. Zionism has been around for a long time, ive noticed, especially looking at the posters zionism has become a descriptor for people as opposed to an ideology that seems to signal how this has become personal for these protesters in a way that seems different. Its personal and the whole thing is being waged in caricature, right what you were just talking about is the death of nuance the death of complexity and i dont think we can afford that in this particular situation. We can afford it and a lot of situations and its one of the things that is really thrusting this country into a kind of dysfunction when it comes to civic discourse, when it comes to political debate, that i think is really dangerous as biden need to Say Something i think you need to say a little bit more than he has said, but i think one of the reasons hes not saying some of its just political caution. But one of the reasons he isnt saying something is because of something you said earlier, its complicated. I think hes having a hard time figuring out how to weigh in in a manner that is constructive, especially given the pressures that hes facing from his own base some of whom dont even want to talk to him about this. Very briefly. Thank you very much for joining us tonight and also tonight from the trail to Trail Donald Trump playing some of his Greatest Hits during his recess de, in michigan and wisconsin cnns daniel dale will join me now to factcheck daniel well, theres a lot. He said democrats rigueur, the 2020 election, did not happen. He said he won the 2020 election. Absolute lie. He lost. He said todays Wisconsin Rally was the first time hes publicly said he doesnt think the country will survive if he doesnt win in 2024, hes actually said that over and over again. He said hes been indicted more than gains thanks to her al capone, who he said only got indicted once. In fact, capone was indicted at least six times more than trump. He said all of his criminal and civil cases have come out of the biden white house. Zero evidence for that. He said nancy pelosi rejected his proposal for 10,000 troops on january 6. Complete fiction pelosi never gods such a proposal wouldnt have had the power to reject it if she did he said the january 6 committee destroyed all of the evidence. No he said he defeated isis and one month, in fact, isis is socalled caliphate was declared fully liberated two years into his presidency, he said, nobody released for an immigration hearing. Abby actually comes back to court. In fact, federal stats show a large majority do actually return. He said the economy is right now now in stagflation, its simply is not. He said he left office with the price of gas at two and under in fact, the National Average was 2. 39. Sense. He said cumulative inflation under President Biden has been 30 . Then said, its actually 50 . In fact, its about 19 . He said no other president has taken intense sense from tariffs on china actually, the us has had tariffs on china since the 1700s. He said the bipartisan infrastructure law signed by biden was quote, fake, extremely real. Its funded tens of thousands of infrastructure projects. He said he rebuilt the whole Military Defense Experts have told me he did not. He said the Biden Administration wants all Electric Army tanks. The military is moving toward using other electric vehicles, but not tanks. He repeated his abject nonsense that there are many cases where democrats will allow executing babies after birth. That is infanticide murder illegal in every state, including those run by democrats. He said, every legal scholar wanted roe v. Wade overturned and abortion returned to the states, not even close to true as multiple legal scholars have personally told me, he repeated his usual stick about Media Outlets turning off their cameras as he criticized the media. Again, pure fiction. He repeated his false claim that the Biden Administration is trying to take away peoples gas stoves is not happening. He claimed theres a biden war on american energy. In fact, Us Oil Production is at the highest level abbey of any country in including the us in world history. He said he built 571 miles of border wall, Official Federal Statue was 458. He said he ended russias nord stream two pipeline. No, russia resume that after his 2019 sanctions, he spoke of nato members having failed to pay bills wrong name, those Defense Spending guidelines do not create bills at all. He said that before him, the us was paying 90 to 100 of nato. In fact, a us Defense Spending was 71 of nato is total. He said he didnt think that before last month or ever been a single month were zero Manufacturing Jobs were gained. In fact, Manufacturing Jobs were lost in numerous months of his own presidency, even precovid, and actually lost for his entire presidency beginning to end. He said that under the gag order on him in manhattan the criminal case, he shouldnt even be talking to a rally crowd. In reality, that narrow gag order does nothing to prevent him from doing political rallies. He claimed detroit had more ballots cast in 2020 than it has voters. Totally wrong. Again, he told the story about african and Asian Countries empty seeing their prison. So prisoners can migrate to the us even his own campaign cannot substantiate that to me. And abbey, he said hes winning and every Single National poll, he is not he, lets have these memorized by loud. Danielle thank you. Thank you all right now, here is a provocative question. Does donald trump actually want to go to jail because he is once again flirting with that line. Plus one of my guests set as that if trump wins this election, hell likely leave the country for good. Well discuss and a bizarre demand by rfk jr. Here about the pledge that he wants President Biden decide this is is this how people dress in norway . 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And my poll numbers are higher than theyve ever been well, that was donald trump railing tonight against his own legal problems and taking aim at the judge and his current hush money trial. The very same judge who has threatened trump with jail if he continues to violate his gag order the very same judge that hell see in just a few hours, who hear arguments about these four potential new violations by trump and what are they going to look at all the lives that gone . The last draw that court lines and the last trial so he got caught lying pure lime. Thats yuri was pick so fast, 95 democrats the areas mostly all democrat. You think of it as just a purely democrat area its a very unfair situation. That i can tell you. My girl cohen is a convicted liar and hes got no credibility whatsoever. He was a lawyer and you rely on your lawyers davids been very nice and nice guy. That david hes referring to is david pecker who was on the witness stand last week. Now its worth noting the trump made all of those comments before yesterdays punishment joining me now is Cnn Political Commentator jamal simmons, former new york Lieutenant Governor betsy mccoy, Cnn Political Commentator, see cup, and a former New York State assistant attorney general, christina so chris do these new comments reached the bar for judge merchan to Say Something to do, something based on what judge merchan are already decided on the last gag order hearing, i think they do, but i think unlike in this case, a typical defendant who doesnt want to be held in contempt, a typical defendant doesnt want to go to jail while hes in his trial. And i would defer to our political experts, but i think theres a part of donald trump that his diehard supporters, if he is incarcerated, its probably red meat and he probably likes it, but a typical defendant would not want to be held in contempt. Say the least but because this is not a typical well defend that he knows hes probably not going to jail. Hes probably not going to jail when he talks about theres two tiered legal system. He is right. Hes just got it the other way around. He is doing stuff that anyone else would be in jail for the rest of their lives . For any really still hasnt been held all that accountable. But politically, look, half the country has decided he is guilty of all of it. The other half has decided he is innocent of all of it. Its ranked and anyone thats left is not paying attention. So hes speaking to the jury is either on the jury or not, or juror caring so hes speaking to the audience that matters to him. The maga crowd, the fox crowd. I tuned into fox the other day just for s is in jesus and they were just parenting everything. He says this is reg, this is a witch hunt. This judges crooked. Its like they want a gag order. So hes hes got his audience completely with him on all this stuff. Hes saying, well, i think the aclu is also with him on something very important and that is so they gag order against a defendant violates our constitution. The bill of rights. You sound just like fox know constitutional history. And im speaking the truth. The fact is that the bill of rights was written to protect the little guide the defendant, the accused, against an allpowerful government permit so to gag a defendant and not the prosecutions witnesses puts the whole bill of rights. Are you calling donald trump the little guy . Yes, i am. Oh, yes, i am. Because he is the accused and the system of justice should work for any accused im telling you that all the democrats here if you took Donald Trumps name off this gag order and put somebody elses name on it. Theyd be outraged that the defendant is gagged from defending himself when the prosecutions witnesses are going on television and on social media and making their case dag from attacking judges and clerks and witnesses, which any other person would be to know that is not true. I just explained to you that the aclu even says, against defendants in cases like that or a violation of the bill of rights. It doesnt matter whether the defendant is donald trump or joe smoke. So if a regular joe schmo is attacking witnesses in a criminal case against him, judges and their family. What is the judge going to do . Joe schmo is gonna get in trouble that way. Im gonna. Go Out On A Limb we yes joe schmo is gonna get in trouble for doing that. You can attack witnesses you cant attack jurors are the most important thing right . So theres a jury pool. There was a jury pool out there, so that was the original concern with the gag order when the jury has been selected. Now theres actually obviously a trial, so gag orders are designed to protect jurors and other witnesses. We already saw at georgia tech themselves out of the jury pool because they were concerned about their own health. After people began to figure out that they were on this jury. Listen down trump is not a typical defendant. We cant treat him typically either. I think what he knows is that he is not going to go to jail. And so youve got to find some way to try to corral him and keep everyone else safe. And i will tell you it is a troubling ive heard stories when people particularly in georgia about prosecutors being followed, about witnesses to the case getting unsolicited emails and voice messages, this is a very tinderbox moment in the country, and weve got to do whatever we can to keep. Heres heres another way of looking at this donald trump is trying to make a mockery of the legal system. The court system he is succeeded. Yeah, because he is violating the gag order every day. And there is actually nothing that will be done about it. I do wonder what is the point of taking time from this trial to deal with these issues when the consequence is irrelevant to him. I think the value is those are good points. I think the value because it is the a former president United States and unprecedented trial, i think in our country in new york, every other state you still have to follow the form. And i in the end, if hes not going to go to jail, there is an outside chance. If if he is going to be incarcerated, the judge has the option to wait till the end of the trial and punish him, then not during the trial, but i think to your question, i b theres value in the sense that theres value to the still believing in the process. And even though hes not going to be incarcerated like i would or you would its still worth having the hearings and getting everything on the record let me just say this let me just say this because we are talking about the law, but lets also talk a little bit about the politics here. And i just think we started off here saying whether or not this is going to be helpful to his election prospects. Theres just no way being incarcerated great at being in jail is helpful to someone running for president United States. And if thats true, that means the country has taken a really far turn than the one that were often like the threat of jail as something to rally his base, the emerson poll that came out tuesday had trump ahead and all seven swing states. Now thats just one pole, but its amazing that he is stuck in a courtroom. Four out of five weekdays. Yeah only campaign on wednesday and he keeps going up in the polls. I did want to take issue with just one thing, my friend jamal harris said, hes said, well, theres no ordinary defendant. I do believe in our system of justice, every defendant is accorded the same rights. You dont make exceptions because somebody is a politician. I think there were not getting the same penalties because anybody else would have already caught a break on one of these charges, right . They would have already been either put in jail or add some other sanction putting disagree on that because i think youll find on appeal that those gag orders were held in contempt. Trump has been held in contempt of this court. Any other defendant there would be consequences for that the judge is aware is cognizant that hes dealing with the former president jail is a jail right now. Its apparently not on the table no. And i think thats because of who he is and the politics and the judge doesnt want to wait into the politics of someone running for president and the appearances of that. And you knows, trump will use that. But this is all still important. What if we journalists said whats the point of covering him . Honestly, he doesnt care and he lives. Its still important that we do that. Whats the point of holding them accountable and putting them through the legal process, even if he doesnt care about it and he makes a mockery of it. Its still important. We cant go to where he wants to take it. We have to stay up here and hope that at the end of the day that checks in the balance it says work there werent enough checks and balances because as you may recall, Letitia James and 11 bragg both campaign for their jobs on a promise to get trump they didnt even have a crime yet, but they were already pledging to get trump. Thats not american. Everyone standby for me. Weve got more coming up. Ill speak with the person who says that. If trump wins the election, hell probably leave the United States for good hes law says that hes not alone. 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So like other people have it and its not pick up a bag of the Newscaster Field Are Healthy Plus Lawn through today america is in a race for its future our nation has warned in foil and natural gas to make us more Energy Independent we have the advantage, but foreign nations want to fill growing energy needs in leave america in the dust weakening our security idling, our economy we cant let that happen. Lets harness Americas Energy advantage and secure our future muntean at Reagan National airport. This is cnn i know everyones always ideally threatening this, but im 100 moving to canada if any republican gets im going to move to canada with my entire family. Ive made the coming to your country true . If youll let me in or canada, it wouldnt be a vacation. I would id be an expatriate come in jobs i would i would definitely move my black asked to south africa my actual change because ill need to learn to speak spanish because i will move to spain or somewhere. The reason i bought my house and when i bought that house on facetime, about three days before the 2020 election, because i was really the trump was going to win again though this is not the plot of handmade stale. They all said that they would leave the country if trump won. But he did and they are still here. My next guess though, is echoing that same sentiment, but this time for 2024, david a. Andelman is considering making the choice to make france the country that he frequents his permanent residents. David is here with us. Hi so tell us about it why why this time and not maybe the last time. Well, ive been going over there to france living there for 44 years right now, amelie at so its time for me to really look at what America Rickea ears and my concern is that im a deep believer in america, md believer in democracy. But my concern is that the american democracy that ive grown to love over so many years may not have long, mineral, longer be the core of the american system Going Forward after november so i have to look at what is my alternative may alternative for me is france and we begin writing this column four cnn this morning the number of people i found two, were really echoing the same sentiment, not only for friends but All Over The World to mexico, to italy, to greece, to spain, to portugal. An amazing number of people. And even since the column ran this morning, drawing fro estate broker, we know very well in france who specializes in moving americans to france she got 45 requests for a point since youre column, what else . Yes. My column this morning, justice morning when it went up on cnn about 5 00 a. M. Eastern time since then, she got 45 requests for four conversations with people want to move, make sure you get a commission we talked about first thing. I can think of Many Democrats who are going to regard Donald Trumps election is good news and ill tell you why democrats and big blue cities like denver, chicago, and new york course so distressed with the impact of the migrant crisis on resources isnt there cities you hear about it every day from them, especially in chicago, very outspoken against the Open Southern Border and donald trump is promised to close it on day one. So not all the democrats will be saying byebye. No, i agree with you, francis food cant be beat. No but theres no question about that. We can agree hes done that. But but you know, theres a tremendous Migrant Problem in france, in europe in general. They have found a way of solving it that biden it seems to me, is really anxious to solve and not simply closing the borders and throw everybody out. That is not a solution that works for sure. They found a way to solve it. I mean, i spent a lot fair amount of time in france. And if lets talk about the migrants who are in the band lu, the suburban parts of paris, where theyve and their kind of house together in these tall highrises like 1968, chicago, as shown and so im not sure they feel like the problem has been solved. You also seen rightwing politicians or lupins, part of the world come up and they coming up is not great, but thats not always greener and ill tell you as an africanamerican, hes traveled the world. I dont know that. I have the privilege of saying i get to go anywhere else because if you look at how people treat some of the migrants in their countries, particularly darker Skin Migrants who show up in those countries, theyre not always so welcoming. I mean, italy hasnt been, i love italy, but i think theyre nice to me because im an american, not because im black. Even places like the Dominican Republic were haitians right now, i cant get into the dr. And so i think weve seen around the world, its not quite the same but david, whatever happened to find it fighting for your country. Well, i will fight for my country not talking about necessarily physically. And 80 years old, nobody wants me to put it that point is left say. No. But you have to understand that. I feel as deeply about about america as french people do about france and so on. America, ic is not the america that i really want to have Going Forward as my hometown is my home country, but my son for instance he married a french lady. Okay he just got his ten year court decision. What car to raise . You donalds is resonance card. Today, actually, coincidentally, he is committed to france right now, but equal his back, his film director, he goes back to hollywood a lot to work but thats where he has made his home and he really believes deeply in that and i leave deeply in an america that i would love to see come back now, i i mean, we make fun of the hollywood types because its easy to but there is something to be said. I dont think its trump but this country feels on a precipice, it feels on edge. And i see that as someone in the news. So i see it more i think than the average person. And thats why i feel it more since my therapist but also, i mean as a mom Mass Shootings feel inescapable, end inevitable. And i know statistically theyre not, however, they are on the rise. And it feels scary. Thats one issue among many issues that feel at a fever pitch. I spent a month since last summer in belgium with my family. We had an opportunity to go for a month and when i say the difference in just taking the temperature down no one there cared about politics, not our politics or even their politics, all that much they had lives. They werent worried about their safety. They werent worried about their kids, so they sent to run in the down square without adult supervision. There is something that feels easier. In other places. I do save and friends. I do wonder about the catastrophizing. Yeah. On the left and the right . Yep that on the right, theres a sense that the country is on the precipice. Yes. That biden being reelected is going to be the worst thing in the world the only option on the right is to physically fight that theyre warning of world war three. Okay. So on the left, i mean, theres this different version of that. I mean, isnt the answer somewhere in the middle to stay and to participate in the political process and absolutely because the question is, lets say, all of us have the opportunity to leave. What about Everybody Else . All right . And so we all have families, we have friends, or generations of people. It is a little bourgeois idea for me, is the idea for me is we all have to invest in mechanics must be a better place and stick with it like stay and fight thats what were doing but the brand drink much like the brain drain is one an issue that really does come up a lot when i talk to people, they worry about what is going to happen if trump comes in the country, does tread if you will democratic fabric of the countrys read. Are we going to lose really a vast majority of our country that really we should be keeping much as russia has been doing lately the brain, brain from russia has been dramatically, yeah, i think thats, that would be obviously the consequences of all of this. 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The process are hitting a boiling point, not just there, but across the country as well. And President Biden has been essentially radio silent on these tensions. Democratic state, New York State representatives, or on mamdani joins me and the panel is back here with us. So state representative, thank you for being here why have these protests gotten to this point . Of not just tensions with a universities, but the accusations of antisemitism, the violence in some cases, how have we gotten to this point . I think weve gotten to this point because for months, students have been very consistent in their call, which is a call for the end of this war. They are concerned by the fact that more than 30,000 palestinians have been killed killed, and theyve seen their universities as part of this war effort, given the investments that many of these universities have. And yet for many months there call has been denied. It has not been heard, it has been ignored, and weve gotten to this point here. Do you think at this point just looking at these pictures here for ucla, i mean, last knights total chaos, especially on the west coast and we lost sight of the cause here that you were just talking about, which is what is happening in gaza i think these students have actually forced many of us to reckon with whats happening there. Because for too many americans, this has been something that is actually getting out of view. An example is that when students renamed the hall and columbia from Hamilton Hall to hint the hall, they were honoring a sixyearold Palestinian Girl who was killed in a car are watching as her parents had been killed by the Israeli Military prior. And for so many americans, that was a name that they hadnt heard until these students made it one i think this is a forgive me for saying Probe Pastoralists explanation for what the students are doing. The uber is involved in thinking that as columbia goes, so well go rafah, that the middle east is watching what happens on these campuses its just simply not true in my view, these College Students and perhaps some outsiders, but mostly these College Students have violated what a University Stands for Research Learning civil discourse its one thing to express your concern about whats happening in gaza. Its another thing to disrespect or shutout the microbiologist who cant get to his lab, whos working on cancer cures or the law student who cant get to the library to finishes exams. This is a university and people four other people at these universities have rights, whether theyre concerned about gaza or not. I think these students who refused to leave the Big Grassy Area of days before they seize to Hamilton Hall should have been expelled because they showed so little respect for the rest of you university. But ive got the issue for me is that these students in their actions, they were calling upon a tradition thats existed at columbia for decades in 1968, i set up these similar kinds of encampments to ensure that their call for an end to the war was being heard. So this is not a new tradition, rather its calling upon one of the older and greatest traditions and Student Discourse across this. I just answered that and say in 1968, when those students went into Hamilton Hall that was before the era of computers they emptied the files and burned the papers. Some of my colleagues at columbia lost ten or 15 years of research when those students did that, nobody is talking about the impact of that kind of damage to the rest of the university. But i was in the History Department in the 19 and there were professors there who had to start over on a book they had spent years writing. Jamal, i want to bring you in on 1968, guys, i noted hunter son of all people, he tweeted that in 1968 divisions in the Democratic Party open the door for Richard Nixon to be elected. And he says, today, divisions in the Democratic Party over a war, will open the door to donald trump being elected truth to that is something to be concerned about for sure for the democrats to Pay Attention to people who were around in 1968 on the left will tell you the countries have very different place. These are very different kinds of protests. Theyre not as massive as they were in 1968. The country is much more used to seeing this kind of protest and they werent 1960 when back then this was something that was really sort the first time these kinds of big protests had occurred. I talked to my dad who was the antiwar protests or during the vietnam war one thing that he said that he would counsel the students who are in the middle of this to do is they had to police that some of the extreme elements that showed up at those antiwar protests and his case hey, is there were socialist Workers Party type folks who would show up and try to distribute things. They had to confront those people and move them out of the way because they knew they were cabinet for the media. If you want your message to get out, if you dont want to get tied up into some of the more extreme elements like were hearing about right here. But i do not think are indicative of the entire protests youve got to the protestors themselves has to police that, which will help keep the Law Enforcement from having to come in and deal with us. There any validity to that representative . You know, i think that it is critical that there be a sense of agreements as to what you are entering the space two and what we saw at columbia was they were very firm about the fact that if you enter this space, you enter a space with no hate that there is no tolerance for acts of antisemitism or things of that kind. What concerns me is that the real danger that occurred in that situation was when the police came in, many of them guns drawn, introducing a risk previously had not existed on that campus so in a lot of ways, this is a complicated issue and others, its very uncomplicated you have on one side people who deeply want to peacefully protest for innocent victims that is a tradition. Its a grand tradition and its something that should happen on College Campuses. And in other places of electoral thought theres nothing wrong with that inherently. On the other side, you have people wearing hamas head Bands Hanging Intifada Flags calling for death to zionists. And prohibiting jewish people from getting an education. Those two things cannot coexist. You cant have be antiwar and antisemitic. You cant be peaceful and violent and call for violence you cant have free speech and hate speech. Those things are separate. And i wonder where the adults are. Parents administrators, faculty members to tell these kids your purpose is good. Your cause is right. What youre doing is wrong and awful. And now youre shifting attention to the protection of jewish students. Away from the protection of innocent palestinians in moments like this, jamal typically, the country looks to the president of the United States to set the tone to help us understand whats going on typically that doesnt seem to be on the horizon right now but should it be . Well, there is talk with the president during the speech next week on antisemitism and making sure that still im going to be addressed the president does need to speak up into this. We also know the president is going to be at Morehouse College for commencement on may 19th, which is where im going to school, which could also be very controversial bush back from which could be a controversial thing. Maybe by then well have a Peace Agreement in place which will make that a very different engagement. But he will have some opportunities to address young people. I think we need him to do that and to address the rest of us about whats going on. But i think we also se we have to be able to have a freespeech where we allow people to say things even if theyre uncomfortable and even if they make us feel uncomfortable. And even if theyre unpopular, what does that make us feel unsafe . Well the question knocking the question is, are they doing something that makes you feel unsafe because its not whats an i may not agree with all the things that the protesters are saying, but its not its not their job to not make you feel uncomfortable and then but please, im warheads on foreheads when it comes to free speech, im a journalist, but there is speech that makes you feel unsafe and when claudine gay cant say, of course its a violation of Campus Bullying and harassment to go for the genocide of the jews. That sounds to most people like crazy talk, right . And it isnt distraction from the message to people who are going cant bother looking up online. Im with an organization thats raised millions of dollars for the children in gaza. This has nothing to do with those different factions or politics. This is common sense. And if were ignoring how unsafe jewish students feel, we are doing a huge disservice and adding to an already dangerous rise in antisemitism. Let me just give if i were, if i were to say if a protests over to stand up and say weve got to eradicate zionism i mean, its, i mean, its agree with that. But eradicating zionism is maybe protected speech. That is to say, we have to eradicate zionists you have to kill them. And that feels like Crossing A Line to of course, its Crossing A Line thats very different than going i agree. I do wonder is that a line thats cross when when their speech killed design as or even to say, zionists are not allowed in here in wherever you are. I mean, is that Crossing A Line . I think language like Kill The Zionist is Crossing A Line. I dont think that there is any way for antisemitism in our society or in our protests. And what concerns me is that that same belief in the fact that we shouldnt have that kind of hate present oftentimes is not extended towards antipalestinian hatred. Were thinking about ucla, where just for last few days, a number of pro israel protesters have shown up to those encampments. With Baseball Bats threatening at genocide and Ethnic Cleansing on those students. We got to go, guys, but thank you very much, everyone for a great discussion. A new challenge from the independent president ial candidate, rfk jr. To President Biden face off in a poll again thats donald trump. Loser drops out of the race. Does that makes sense to you . Well, harry enten will join me to explain whats going on this is an. Area where you have never been to before. Were now to step out and need little home in bleeder of the crossbar, e. A. Gang is one of the the eyes ten most wanted, the destruction the violence, the deaths, than it played out. Do you take any responsibility for that what is it going to take to bring stability . And a future of calm to this country. He only said he made mistakes and is not perfect. 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But there are some problems with this logic and cnns senior data reporter, harry enten is here at the magic wall now to tell us exactly what that is what the heck is he talking . But what is he talking . What is he talking about . A look, heres the choice for president right now. Were looking at an aggregate of polling. We see a close race between donald trump are 41 . Joel so biden at 40 , well within any margin of error, right . Where is rfk jr. Hes at 10 of the vote. Him calling on joe biden to potentially drop out of the race reminds me of when ted cruz named Carly Fiorina as his vp nominee back in 2016 when he was well on his way to losing the republican nomination, not to mention that this is a national snapshot, not even statelevel polls. Hes not even on the ballot and a lot of states, thats exactly right. Hes not even on the ballot. A lot of states and i will tell you in the states that hes on the ballot. Its not like hes polling really far north of this 10 and more than that, why would joe biden . Make a deal with rok junior. When you look at who are akkad juniors supporters say, are their second choice, right . Who is rfk jr. Helping by staying in the race . He is he is in fact helping joe biden because Arcade Junior voters say that their second choice is donald trump is very clear margin here, 40 he seven to 29 or recent Quinnipiac University poll. And this matches a lot of the polling that weve seen where our k junior supporters preferred donald trump to joe biden tells you everything you need to know, including why donald trump is the wild, who wants rfk to drop out of the race. Thats exactly right. And its not really surprising to me, right . That we see rfk at only 10 of the vote because i want to go back through history, right . And just sort of say Third Party Candidates who got at least 20 of the vote. Whenever you put Millard Fillmore on a slide, you know, you have to go way back in history, back in 18 56, he was part of the no, nothings or the American Party Teddy Roosevelt progressive boom moles in 1912. He of course actually came in second place. But the truth of the matter is abby, third party cans in this country and may be