Day with us. Well see you right back here next week. Hello everyone and welcome to the amanpour hour. Heres where were headed this week. New us Military Aid Rushing to ukraine to hold putins the Foreign MinisterDmytro Kuleba joins us. We can, isnt police . Digital animal who can sense fear than as american colleges wrestle with political activism and Campus Safety author Salman Rushdie, who narrowly survived an assassination attempt it says, free speech is more important than ever. The Perpetrator Temperature is so high right now theres so much anger that is very hard for anybody to listen to anybody also, this our renowned photographer, platon, on facetime with the people shaping our world from muhammad ali to Vladimir Putin and then putin turns to me and imperfect english. He says, i love. And from my archive is 30 years to the day since Nelson Mandela cast the historic vote that made him president in south africas first democratic elections. His trusted former aide tells me how he transformed her life. So you describe yourself as a racist. I mean, that is shocking for me to hear welcome to the program, everyone im Christiana Amanpour in london. Hallelujah. The word of ukraines Foreign Minister as the United States finally passed that longdelayed and much needed aid package for ukraines fight against russia and it seems divine intervention didnt just strike Dmytro Kuleba colleagues that the House Speaker mike johnson says he prayed for guidance on the issue that and some pretty stiff Intelligence Briefings from the experts. And president zelenskyy says speed now is of the essence his army chief says their situation on the Eastern Front has worsened significantly. While the United StatesArmy Commander in europe says putins force is now 15 larger than when it invaded two years ago. And heres President Biden this package is literally investment, not only in your buret and Ukraine Security but in europe security and our own security. And of course, the sixth month delay has caused countless ukrainian lives and territory. My first guest Foreign MinisterDmytro Kuleba, joins me from kyiv, Warning Thing that the era of peace in europe is over Foreign Minister, welcome to the program from kyiv. And i just wanted to ask you on this morning, you must feel very relieved, right . Its been six to seven months of waiting anxiously. Its good to have american back and its better when good things happen later than do not happen at all but i do agree that this package should have been passed much much earlier and thinks could have would turn differently on many accounts but now we are working on preparing ourselves to receive the first aid of package the first package of aid announced by President Biden ill soldiers on the front line are waiting for it. Our society received a morale boost and its also an Important Message to all our partners and message from washington that the struggle continues to fight for freedom and democracy goes on. Can i ask you specifically if you can tell me what are the most important things youre waiting for . Well, when you fight a war, youll need everything. There is no, no deal detail that you do not need in fighting the war, we need air defense to protect our cities, and we need every artillery, ammunition and Artillery Systems to protect our soldiers and deliberate our territories these are the two key elements. What we do not see on this package is a battery of patriots. But we keep working with the Us Administration on mobilizing more batteries from other countries in short, two, short perspective, let me ask you to react to what senators like j at vance, certain republicans who opposed sending aid to ukraine they basically say, do the math. In other words you cant, it just doesnt add up ukraine needs more soldiers, it needs more material than the us can provide. Whats your answer to that . It is true that the key to victory of ukraine is a united front of all countries. We saw that in the meantime, while the congress was debating the law, germany was making powerful decisions. Other European Countries were announcing important aid packages so United States are not alone in supporting ukraine. In fact, we see that European Countries are increasing their support to ukraine. Ukraine itself increased its own production of weapons, and well continue to ramp up its production in the question to the members of congress that, you, that you refer to . A simple if all of these countries are united around the goal of ukraines victory maybe its because they see that this victory is important, is also a matter of their security and prosperity. And whatever the price of supporting ukraine today as the price of fixing the world, if russia wins in ukraine will be much, much higher. Do you expect a massive russian attempt to take advantage of the window before this aid gets to you well, everyone should, everyone in the world should remember that every delay in providing a safe sending assistance to ukraine is compensated by the bravery and sacrifice a file soldiers but this is not kind of compensation that you not you personally, but ill partners should be should be willing us to pay because these are real people and their lives matter and everything we lost inbetween last autumn and now is because we didnt have our soldiers did not have enough of weapons they have no shortage of bravery. And the will to sacrifice themselves for their country. And now the issue of Conscription Of Lowing The Draft age youre trying to get young men back. Those who fled, and the the fighting. How is that going . Do you expect to have many more people drafted to the front you know, the parliament passed the law setting. In fact, a couple of laws setting up the new framework for conscription in ukraine and army will receive new soldiers and officers to fight because what is it stake here is the survival of phonation. This survival of a sovereign country in 21st century and we know our history those who refused to fight for ukraine with arms, with weapons in their arms In The Beginning of the 20th century, when we lost our independence to Bolshevik Russia were then became afterwards victims of stalins repressions of styling genocide against the people who ukrainian people would fell victims of russification of ukraine. We all know what follows when we lose and therefore, we will keep fighting. What we do who need is our partners to believe firmly believe that ukraines victory is attainable and second, to have no fear towards putin because putin is a Political Animal who can sense fear and when he does, he becomes more aggressive if he sees the strands, if you sense the strands, as it was recently demonstrated by, as the one recently demonstrated by the congress he will be forced to step back and finally, i want to ask you whether you notice and plan to take part in a mission to persuade trump. Lets just say he wins again. Weve seen quite a few western leaders have gone to america to meet with him privately. And were told it was to encourage him, to encourage congress to pass this law. And they brought intelligence and all the rest of it. We understand baltic leaders, polish leaders are also trying to pursue swayed trump and trumps allies, that this must continue this aid for ukraine. And saying, you know, this is also good for america because it creates american jobs. Are you in a way pleasantly surprised that this congress, theres maga group in Congress Pass this law, pass this bill i said from the very beginning in an interview to you, by the way when you asked me whether we have planned b if the congress does not pass the law, i said, we dont, we only have planned a and if im not mistaken following that interior was heavily criticized for making no plans be but our strategy is always to get the best for ukraine, even when very few believe that we will succeed in the end. So we have planned a the vote, the successful vote in the congress in the anse regarded and there was an enormous amount of effort of many people in many countries behind that behind that result but this is how you win worse if you have plenty, make no mistake. You will end up with plan b. But this is not what will save ukraine. Ukraine will win only if if it focuses together with its partners on plan a. And this is what we will be doing irrespective of the name of the president of the United States or the names of the members of congress of the United States, or any other country in the world Foreign MinisterDmytro Kuleba. Thank you for joining me from kyiv coming up later on the program famed Photographer Platon On Meeting Putin at gunpoint and discussing their favorite beatles song. But before that, salmon and rush tells me what he wanted to do immediately after being stabbed and the premonition he had just before in retrospect well to Pay Attention to the dream really big games travel is magic, thunder, Pelicans Celtics Coverage begins today at 12 30. Nba playoffs presented by google pixel. Well round one coverage presented by nerdwallet on tnt whoa, whoa talk yes focused on an American Home she had warranty in project youre covered home systems and appliances like this ac when the repair or replacement . Yes thank you its oh, im not home. Yeah, its pretty sure its home visit. 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Now, thousands of students of protesting israels war on gaza with many facing heavy handed disciplines, suspension arrest an expulsion, some jewish students meanwhile say criticism of israel is spilling into antisemitism. My next guest knows the importance of free speech better than most. He almost lost his life over it. Salman rushdie live with the threat of assassination for years after irans Supreme Leader called for his death over the book, The Satanic Verses then in 2020 to nearly 35 years after it was published, rushdie was repeatedly stabbed as he was about to give a Public Lecture in new york. He was lucky to escape with his life. And now in a brave defense of free speech hes written about his near death in knife meditations after an attempted murder, he joined me this week from new york to tell me his book is also about the triumph of love over hate. Can i just start by asking how you are, how you feeling im okay you know, i mean, i think im surprised myself by how well i feel. I think im pretty much repaired. Thank you. Someone i find it really interesting because you said you dont believe in miracles and you you also admit that your recovery is miraculous, but also you say you dont believe in premonitions and you did have something that we might call a premonition or a dream just before going to chautauqua, just before going to make this speed, weve asked you to read just a little bit of that prof yeah. I had a i had a nightmare two nights before i flew churches. I had a dream about being attacked by a man with a spirit a gladiator in a Roman Amphitheater there was an audience roaring for blood i was rolling about on the ground trying to escape the gladiators, downward thrusts. And screaming it was not the first time id had such a dream on to earlier occasions as my dream self rolled frantically around, my actual Sleeping Self also screaming through its body. My body out of bed and i work as i crashed painfully to the bedroom floor so those are those two times this time your wife woke you up and you didnt crash to the floor, but you said to her, i dont want to go out, want to say it gives me chills that yeah, i really i was very spooked by the dream and thats what by initial response was to say, look, i dont want to go, and then i woke up a bit more and i thought really we dont run our lives of the basis of whether we had a bad dream or not. And its just a dream. And of course, i should go. But in retrospect theyve done well to Pay Attention to the dream. Someone you talk about the a that is the assailant, the assassin, the asinine i mean, quite early on before you even recovered you in grappling with whether you should go to see him, confront him, talk to him. Understand is motivation yeah that was my first thought was, as i can of journalistic impulse to go and sit in a room with them and say, okay, tell me why you did it. And then i read this of samuel beckett, whos also stabbed in paris and in the street by, by a pimp and he actually did go to the court and asked them, why did you do it . And all