Single person with dignity and respect and thats not happening here. Its an atrocity. Speaker johnson, thanks very much for your time. Thank you thanks for joining us. The news continues now on cnn its thursday, april 25th, right now on cnn this morning former trump allies, Rudy Giuliani and mark meadows, among 18 people indicted in arizona for trying to overturn the 2020 election the Supreme Court ready to hear arguments in a case that could blow pull up every prosecution of the former president and President Biden, apparently changing his mind about sending longrange missiles to ukraine all right 5 00 a. M. Here in washington on live with the capitol hill on this thursday morning morning, everyone, im kasie hunt. Its wonderful to have you with us. It is an incredibly consequential day for former president trump. You have those immunity arguments. His Hush Money Trial Resumes, and breaking overnight a grand jury and arizona handed up an indictment against a group of trumps allies for their attempts to overturn he is 2020 Election Loss of source familiar with the investigation tells cnn that the indictment includes several people connected to trumps 2020 campaign his former lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, and former white house chief of staff, mark meadows. As far as members of the arizona gop whose certified themselves as alternate electors . For trump. The former president was not indicted, but as listed as an Unindicted CoconspiratorArizona Attorney general, kris mayes, who led this investigation, spoke about the indictments yesterday. Arizonas election was free and fair. The people of Arizona ElectedPresident Biden, unwilling to accept this fact. The defendants charged by the state grand jury allegedly schemed to prevent the lawful transfer of the presidency whatever their reasoning was, the plot to violate the law must be answered for me now to discuss is former january 6 investigative counsel, marcus childrens marcus. Good morning to you. Thanks so much for being here. Can you help us understand why why were learning about this now, how this has unfolded in arizona, and how it plays out. In to the Bigger Picture of all of the legal challenges around the 2020 election well, its always nice when you can kinda zoom in and see how this was impacted on a statebystate level. And i think its an interesting juxtaposition that we have here today. You mentioned Supreme Court here in this case, and that really got there from the federal january 6 case against the president that looked had a had a nationwide view and now were getting a glimpse into arizona specifically, and its not different than really georgia, michigan or any other states that have investigated the fake electors scheme. But it looks at overturning the lawful election as the Attorney General just said. And in arizona and trying to prevent the loss full transfer of power, specifically on arizona legislator the arizona electors that were sent to put pressure on the Vice President yeah. Lets hear a little bit from one of these fake electors because i do think it is worth remembering that these, theyre actually people, people, right . Yes when you say fake electors and it almost, it seems like all is that a piece of paper . No, its a person heres one of them my name is anthony current. I am a current State Senator representing legislative district 27 and im here in front of the superior court building. This morning because i was an alternate elector in November 2020 for President Donald Trump i was asked to step up along with other ordinary citizens. And i chose to accept i was honored and will always be honored all right. Just kinda remarkable to hear that from someone. I mean, he calls himself an an alternate elector. I think we should be clear. Thats not a thing fake, correct. Fake. Elector as we listened to all this this happened and see this unfold. What does it mean for our 2024 election for this year that were in now. I look, i think it shows the extent that some parties and including the former president whos running for reelection again now, was willing to go to claim victory over joe biden who had lawfully one, i think we look at the fake electors scheme in a silo rather than looking at as part of the multiprong larger attack on the institution, youd look at the fraud that folks like Sidney Powell were spreading and thats what these lawsuits were based upon. And this what these fake electors are alternate electors were supposedly put in place lets contingent just in case one of these cases were to be successful. But they still sent the paperwork into washington, dc. It was still used to try to pressure the Vice President into certifying their slate of electors or maybe sending it back to the state legislators, or even putting pressure on the state legislatures. And thats what youve seen us indictment, is that Pressure Campaign . At the state level on the Vice President and Unindicted Coconspirator number one, the former president being involved in this action . Yeah, its a really remarkable snapshot of something that clearly was a much bigger plan. Marcus, you worked extensively on the january 6 committee, of course. Today they honestly historic de these arguments at the Supreme Court to hear whether the any former president any president should be completely immune, at least thats the trump teams claim from actions, official actions, or i should say, from actions taken while president of the United States what are you watching for given your deep understanding of the events of that de and the legal ramifications as these arguments play out in the court really eager to see how the Supreme Court treats this notion of accountability fall under the law. This is truly you mentioned it already at the top of the show is one of those historic moments history, and i dont say that lightly. This is really going to dictate whether we truly believe that everyone is accountable to the law. The former president is arguing that by allowing him to be prosecuted, its a moral threat to the presidency because he was performing as outer perimeter of his duties, citing the nixon case and that it will prevent president s from feeling free to make decisions as best for the country if theyre, if theyre fearful of being prosecuted in the backend, i tend to agree with the special counsels argument that we are a nation of laws and everyone is accountable to those laws. And i want to really want to make the point that overturning a lawful election while sitting us president. I dont see a world with that can be considered part of the outer perimeter of the president s duties. And i expect that the government, were making that point today. All of the Supreme Court typically doesnt weight into facts i expect those themes to be competing backandforth here today of the moral threat of being a president versus accountability under the law do you believe that there does need to be some sort of distinction made, like should there be some areas where the court says, well, if you make a decision as Commander In Chief in the context of sale war, et cetera that that shouldnt be something thats prosecuted well ill be interested to see if one of the justice asked trumps attorneys to name a criminal statute where it is illegal for a president to make a commander and chief decision. I dont think those are on the books. What what is on the books is a conspiracy to overturn an election. But weve never seen a president prosecuted for decisions made as a Commander In Chief especially when it comes to like Foreign Policy type decisions, because there arent any criminal statutes that impose that type of liability on the president. But there are statutes on the book for overturning an election. So youre saying we are a nation of laws or have been thought through and theyre being executed. All right, markets, shoulders for us this morning, marcus, thanks very much for starting us off. I really appreciate it are coming up next the pentagon confirming the us has delivered longrange missiles to ukraine, plus a tense standoff at usc between police and propalestinian protesters and david pecker back on the stand, expected to face questions about Stormy Daniels every piece of evidence tells a story how would really happen with jesse l. Martin sunday at nine on cnn i brought in a juror, max protein with 30 grams of protein. 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What we have seen from the russians is their willingness to accept longrange which missiles from other countries specifically north korea, they have used those in the battlefield. They have used them to attack ukrainian civilians as well all right. Trying to me now, is cnns max foster. Max, always good to see you. Thank you so much for being here walk us through the shift here. How does this make a difference potentially . In the war. And what does it represent in terms of possible escalation while of the kremlin doesnt like it as spoken out against these long run, longrange missiles. And your right to pick them out because its the american was refusing to send them for a long time. Now theyre sending them something has changed there. I think in a very basic terms ukraine is meant to be doing in theory is defending is homeland and pushing russia back to the russian border as they see it what longrange missiles allow them to do is to fire into russia with american weapons, which suddenly becomes more aggressive rather than defensive. So i think thats the bigger issue here. Also, a big package going to ukraine, a huge amount of money. But is it really going to change where the front lines are . Probably not just allowing them to hold those front lines. So its not necessarily a situation where were going to see ukraine managing to take its territory back at the same time. It does now have this potential to fire into russia very interesting, max, the other sort of piece of fat package of aid that ukraine sent was, according to reports and politico and other outlets, a significant lobbying campaign from european leaders. You and i had talked about how David Cameron went down to maralago to meet with donald trump. There also was a meeting between trump and the Polish Leader Duda that have been characterized as actually part of a push to convince him not to stand in the way of the aid package that was working its way through congress here in washington. And now politico on yours side of the atlantic, they operate here, but also in europe has a pretty significant piece. They write this, the former Reality Tv Star is returned to power. Theyre talking about trump would not only be the biggest test and Transatlantic Relations and postwar history it could pose an existential risk two european unity as tensions over how to work with the worlds most powerful country, pull the continent apart on issues ranging from trade policy to the fight against climate change, to the defense of european territory. Can you help us understand how it is that trump might divide europe among itself . Well i think the last election when he was last president , he was new to it and trying new policies out. They can handle that this time hes coming back in is much clearer about his policy. Also, the territorys change. So weve got this war in corrupt a debate about when you can take another countrys territory, no climate change, trade these are more tense issues now, if trump comes in is very clear on them, much tougher on europe takes a completely different the line on europe than what you have to have is a common response from europe. And i think probably what this article is alluding to is the fact that having one clear, cohesive, common response from europe, which is Strong Enough to counter the us view, is going to be almost impossible because getting agreement within the eu and then tied to the fact you got the nani eu countries like uk to factor into that would it have enough power to counter or will it be individual countries working on their own against the us view . Thats the challenge and it does become x essential because it basically makes the eu defunct, isnt operating in a political bloc, just an ico want my blog, very, very difficult. All right. Max foster for us in london. Max always grateful to have you. Thank you so much. Thats crazy. All right ahead here. Arizona republicans voting on a bill to overturn that Civil War Era On Abortion Plus Ban on abortion, plus the Supreme Court ready to hear Donald Trumps claims of president ial immunity rionda, new album is breaking records gets what country is comey country beyond, say, a nashvilles renaissance. April 26, streaming exclusively on mats. My name is susie loftus, and im the head of trust and safety for us data security, tiktok im a former prosecutor and its my job to keep American Tiktok Users Safe A Big part of that is making sure that their data is protected. 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