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Law. A grand jury handed up an indictment outlining how 11 republican supporters of the former president lied to congress, allegedly acting as part of a conspiracy to commit fraud and forgery. Now, the lie is that donald trump won the 2020 election. That lie was memorialized on video, a video posted by the Arizona Republican party itself you can see here the Fake Electors put pen to paper and swore to fraud. The name defendants included the states former Republican Party chair to sitting legislators, and a former United States senate candidate. The defendants whose names are obscured by black ink, pierce trumps most inner circle. Its Rudy Giuliani. Its mark meadows, mike roman, jenna ellis, john eastman, or its epstein and its the 1927 yankees of bogus Election Fraud essentially at the center is one man Unindicted Coconspirator number one, also known as donald trump, the former president of the United States. Now, the arizona indictment is yet another blockbuster moment in a postpresidency that has been historic for all the wrong reasons. And its not the only time today in a remarkable turn of deja vu that we learned that the former president it could have been charged with crimes and a swing state where he tried to deny the will of the voters in michigan and investigator identified today the trump was also an Unindicted Coconspirator in the alleged plot to change the 2020 election cnn legal analysts, Eliot William is at the magic wall to explain more about what exactly is in this arizona case, elliott sure. And lets take a look at it, abby. Thanks a lot. And so this here is the indictment walking through charges at nine different counts against 18 different individuals, some of whom will be Household Names and recognizable to many people as you talked about here at the beginning of the show, what is alleges number one, conspiracy, criminal act among a group of people, fraud and forgery of documents and information. Now, whats a little bit of history here, and you showed some of these videos a little bit at the top, abby, but this is people protesting at a Counting Center in maricopa county, arizona on election day, having alleged a great deal of fraud and misconduct on the part that many people turned out to not be true. Now, lets talk through who actually is indicted here these are the individuals its who were the Fake Electors themselves. They signed their names to these Fake Electors certificates. And there are a number of these folks here. None of them are recognizable or Household Names too many people, like some of the folks well see in a second. Now the actual Fake Electors certificate, and i think the words you use at the top of the show where signing their names to fraud on video. This is where they signed electors certificates, and this will all be evidenced in over the course of this prosecution, in effect, saying that donald trump won the 2020 election despite full knowledge that joe biden had one and once again, this here is evidenced that was put on the Republican Party of arizonas twitter account, a video of these Fake Electors being signed. Once again, its rare and criminal prosecutions to have evidence that is this vivid. Now . All of these people, of course, are innocent until proven guilty, but theyre on video committing the act that they are alleged to have done so notice, theres a lot of blacked out names here. And as of the point at which we got a lot of this information early today, a number of the names were redacted given the identities of some of the people. Now, we had cnn have identified a number of the people who are under those redactions, including borscht, epstein, Rudy Giuliani, top aides to the former president mark meadows. The Chief Of Staff, gen. Jen ellis, john eastman, all attorneys around the president. And of course referring to to them specifically, here the foreign president is identified as coconspirator, Unindicted Coconspirator number one, pretty specifically in the indictment, it says used to be president of the United States. And so more will come out here as we learn where the prosecutors will go with this, abby. Yeah, certainly. And look, its not because theyre kind of protect these people. They just havent been served yet. Thats why we dont have their actual names in the indictment. Elliot williams. Thank you very much joining me now, weve got an 18 of experts on kush kadoorie, Kaitlan Collins is here with us, Bradley Mosques and carry cordillera as well on kush this is obviously now a little bit delayed. Actually, frankly, i mean, we are now in 2024 this was back in 2020. This stuff occurred on top of that youve got in michigan and in arizona unindicted people who really are at the center of this is the system working in your view or is this . Something else . This is Something Else youre right, that this is as this is much too late for us to be grappling seriously with the events that happened in 2020 i think in an ideal world, these state cases wouldnt even exist because shortly after joe biden came into office, the Justice Department should have been aggressively on the scene very, very quickly, not just dealing with trump world that trump campaign, the white house would eventually became the federal case in washington, but also all the Fake Electors as some of these same people, of course, are Unindicted Coconspirators in jack smiths federal case. So they may get federally indicted at some point, but we have like, i think a bit of a constitutional car crash going on in this country at the moment. And you can kind of trace it to originally the misjudgments of the Biden White House and the Justice Department under merrick garland. Hold that thought for a second because i think we do need to come back to that idea. Brad, i do want to read what Rudy Giuliani, spokesperson is saying and reacting to the michigan kasie saying that the continued weaponization of our Justice System should concert concern all michiganders and americans. It is really amazing that giuliani really has he was so brazen and some of these activities and really has not seen the full extent of the law really dealing with his actions hes suggesting that this is all very unfair. I mean, do you think that giuliani is actually facing the degree of accountability that he should given how involved he wasnt some of this stuff he hasnt yet is Financial Life is pretty much in ruins at this point. His law license is out the window and hes now facing all these indictments. It will sink in for him eventually, the problem for the Rudy Giuliani is of the world. These are all trumps legal advisors as contiguity. Theyre all going down and trumps not going to save and cant save any of them. Hes going to let these people, hey, jenna ellis has already pleaded in one stage. Shes going to plead here, no doubt. Can chesebro cooperated with arizona to help provide all these indictments . These people will look to save themselves to the extent they havent already just given up because no one can save, you think, by the way, it can chesebro, who met with arizona officials a little while ago, voluntarily, is the reporting. You think he is likely had a hand in some of this in arizona . I think looking through some of the indictment and seeing some of the details ahead in terms of texts, in terms of emails, i think now i dont think trent can just roll alone. Is that all that but i think he was a critical source in caracas operating some of what they already suspected and carry this is the indictment here. Its long, but its pretty dry. Its pretty straight to the point what did you glean from it . Well, its its a fraud fraudulent case. Its a case based on fraud. So its not going to be super extensive in terms of the facts of the indictment because whats being alleged simply that they sign there her names to fraudulent documents. And so the burden of proof is not particularly high. So i think in this case, one thing we will be looking for is whether or not some of these individuals really just plead out to lesser charges. And its not quite as dramatic as the felonies that are charged are indicated, but arizona really was one of the major states we put our head back in that time where there was so much activity going on to try to change the outcome of the election. So i think a number of us who have been observing all of the cases since 2020 have been wondering whether arizona would eventually bring something as a state case because remember, it is the states that are responsible for administering the alliance i do wonder about the timing, why it took so long, and i wonder if they perhaps are thinking about trying to demonstrate for folks in the future a Deterrent Effect dont do this in the future in a future election because there are consequences for politics may have played a role in that because it was a change and who is the ag bright area that was changed in 2022 with this current Attorney General. So that may have been part of why it took four years. So caitlin, you just had a really interesting interview with cassidy hutchinson, who knows a lot of these players, mark meadows is for former boss. She spent all kinds of time with him. I want to play what she said reacting to these indictments. Listen its really sad i was really close with mark. I really believed in mark as a principle thats why i chose to take the drop with the Chief Of Staff so its difficult to see him in this position. But i think on the greater scale to free look at how mr. Trump has conducted himself. Through his Business Career and also his political career. I almost related two bodies around him, but he takes out everybody who is loyal to him because its all about his personal gain and what he can gain from those people. And shes right, kaitlan, the body count is so high here you see it in this indictment. Its pretty much trumps entire inner circle plus a bunch of other people too. Yeah. And cassidy made a really interesting point which was that she was pre booked and then this news broke that are four balls had been indicted for a second time, which is its really remarkable. But she made an interesting point that there are all these bodies around donald trump, all of you know, its his whole formal former circle, multiple attorneys of his that are indicted here. But she said some people go into it not fully knowing what theyre getting themselves into. She said, but a lot of people go into it with their eyes wide open. They know what theyre getting themselves involved with. And then this is the end result theyre indicted in here. And it was just remarkable, especially for mark meadows, because one thing she said that she felt personally was important and she has not come forward without its effects. Shes threatened, she is fearful for her safety at times. Its takes a lot to come forward and speak and she says what this indictment makes clear is mark meadows is not cooperating. Hes not coming forward and saying what he knows. And she was saying that she feels thats really important and not a step that hes chosen to take to tell the truth. Well, hes not cooperating with the state investigations but maybe with japanese dont really know what hes doing when it comes to jack smith at this point, theres a lot of speculation because hes indicted in georgia, hes indicted in arizona. Hes not indicted in the federal Election Interference case. Im very, extremely notable, conspicuous out. Yeah. I mean, look, Kaitlyn Donald Trump is facing this case and the Hush Money Trial in new york. Hes now an Unindicted Coconspirator in two separate jurisdictions in another jurisdiction in georgia, he has been indicted. This is really chickens coming home to roost, but hes not really thats not sinking in for him. You know, its remarkable to me is Boris Epstein who is in here whos never been indicted before. Yeah. Which is in and of itself also works for donald trump right now, comes with them to court. He is currently one of his top advisers. Hes immensely involved in the campaign christina bob, whos in your shes the one who signed that letter at marlago saying theres no more classified documents here to the best of my knowledge, shes also a Senior Counsel on Election Integrity for the rnc right now. I mean, its the web is admits. Yeah. But look, its almost like youre in a different world. There is what is happening in these Court Documents in these cases then there is the former president and all these people who are under indictment and carrying on their lives as if its not happening schedule. Thank you for being with us everyone else stick around. Weve got a lot more ahead. We are monitoring some Breaking News, though, out of california, there is a standoff ongoing right now between police and protesters on the campus. Of usc. Dozens have already been arrested. This is just one of the chaotic scenes as playing out across american campuses tonight. Crowds protesting israels war in gaza. Lets go live to nick watt theyre at usc, nick whats happening in this moment well, abbe, the arrests are underway, maybe 50 or so people have been arrested so far, students and people from Office Campus who came here today to join this now, nationwide campus protests about whats going on in israel and gaza. Now, there are dozens of lapd he and Campus Officers they surrounded this park where protesters have been gathering since about 4 30 this morning. They left one sayyed open, so people who didnt not want to be arrested and charged with criminal trespass could leave you can see protesters are still there shouting shame on you, shame on you at the police as a the last half dozen people are being arrested now, earlier this morning, when Campus Police tried to clear some tents that were here it goes there was a lot of cussing the were scuffled between those Campus Officers and the protesters. And then during the day after that, it was calm, but the crowd grew in the College Closed the gates. They were asking for id if people coming in, they were trying to keep a lid on this. They didnt really manage it. So what youve seen now though peaceful array the organizers told all of these protesters to submit peacefully to arrest, and they also all had written on their arms the number of a lawyer who will help them out. So right now theyre all being processed. The protests is still going on, but this patch of land has almost now been cleared by the lapd. And by the Campus Police. You see one more arrest right there, three palestine as they shout on the way and thats whats going on. Heavy. Its been a difficult day for usc know dad back to u usc and so many other campuses across the country. Its just one more moment in in this countrys history where we see our protests really starting and growing on the campuses of our universitys nick watt. Thanks for bringing that to us. We will well continue to monitor that situation there at the university of southern california. Thank you for all of that also tonight, we are awaiting a judges ruling about whether trump violated his gag order in the Hush Money Trial in new york plus one legal scholar joins me on why he says this entire case its a historic mistake our panel will debate it. Thats next this is a special live coverage the whole myth has to be reimagined fee if you didnt know whether you were next, they were both tied up . Yeah. Yeah. I was called in and i saw what turned out to be the biggest heist in history it went from gold medal winning icon to a pariah so it really happened with jesse l. Martin sunday at nine on cnn transfer your ira or your old 401 k to robert. Goodbye. April 30th will give you a 3 boost with the biggest match of any ira on market. Robin hood gold gets you the most for retirement my crimea film on your teeth, dr. G actually the buildup five bacteria which can cause cavities. 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