Tonight are three, 60 just moments ago, the judge in the former president s new york Hush Money Trial expands the gag order on him in the wake of repeated online attacks by trump on his daughter. Also tonight all were learning about the attempt to breach the fbi office in atlanta, who Authorities Say was behind it and whether this may have been someones attempt to political violence. And later my conversation with Dianne Foaling along with author Column Mckinnon and staying about diane son, jim foley a journalist, kidnapped and murdered by isis. His remarkable legacy, what it was like to speak facetoface with one of the men who murdered her son. Good evening. Thanks for joining us. We begin with breaking news. The judge has expanded the gag order that he imposed on the former president last week. The move follows repeated online attacks against the judge and his daughter, including by name, like this one. We blacked it out here because she has no role in the case and its not a public figure seen as Kara Scannell is here with the tails from the judges ruling this monday. Case in new york. Whats happened . Yes. So the prosecutors had asked for a gag order to be expanded in this case because of those comments that you just highlighted in the judge just moments ago issued his order saying that he would extend the gag order which had prevented trump from making comments about any potential witnesses, any prosecutors, court staff in the jury. Hes now extending it to include Family Members of the judge and the District Attorney, alvin bragg. Alvin bragg is not covered by the gag order, so trump can talk about him if he wants. In this order, the judge rights the court now a mens the march 26 order to include the Family Members of the court and the District Attorney of norah county. This decision in order is equally narrowly tailored and in no way prevents defendant from responding to alleged political attacks, but does address defendants recent speech. He also goes on to say that this isnt a case of david and goliath, and that the rules are no longer in play as demonstrated by the singular power of trumps words have on countless others. Hes said that there is, he finds that there is a threat to the Integrity Of Judicial Proceedings and says, the threat is very real. So now, trump is not allowed to make statements about the judges family, so he can still make statements attacking the judge and the District Attorney, just not Family Members. Thats right. Hes extending it to include them within this because as you pointed out, the judges daughter its not part of this case. And trumps lawyers had argued against expansion of the gag order, saying that the reason why trump is making these statements is because they want the judge to recuse himself from the case believing that he is biased against trump. They previously made that motion. The judge rejected it. That at the time was made based on the judges smalldollar donations to democrats. Theyve said in their filing today, trumps side that they intend to make another motion for the judge recuse himself and youll also have some reporting about expected witnesses at this trial . Yes. So its the usual suspects you would expect all the wellknown people that have been part of this case Stormy Daniels is expected to testify michael when hope hicks and david, who is the ceo of the company that published National Enquirer. This is all part of the prosecutors effort to present this narrative to the jury that trump and others were scrambling around the election after the access Hollywood Tape came out, he was in touch with those on his campaign because they were afraid of how a new allegation like Stormy Daniels would potentially influence female voters. So this was all just days before the 2016 election. And thats part of the prosecutions theory why they made the payment and then why they were covering it up. And so as the theory of the case is, this is falsifying Business Records to commit or conceal and other crime and that crime under the theory is to influence the election. So kara stay with us or want to bring in legal analyst joey jackson, also bestselling author and former federal prosecutor, geoff toobin. Jeff, you surprised by any of this, you know, the technical legal term for this is whacamole they he trump is is trying to skirt around all of these issues on the gag order. The Family Members were not covered under the previous one. A, rational person, would think you dont attack the Family Members, but testing, you want this gag or does he think it helps him politically to say, im being gagged . I think i mean, this whole defense is a political defense as much as its, its a Legal Defense thats why he goes to all the hearings. He doesnt have to go to the hearings. This idea that hes a martyr, that he is being the victim of a witchhunt that is part of his campaign and, now being gagged is another way that he is saying i am a victim here, not a perpetrator and the trump filing basically says, well, if the judge had recused himself, then trump wouldnt have to have had to go after his daughter listen im not sure about that reasoning and logic, but what i am sure bad is that you have to have an integrity two are proceeding, but its beyond integrity. Its about safety and security and the reality is, is that words have consequences, particularly when you have a bully pulpit like that, not president now. All right. But was proud president has significant followers and i think theres nothing wrong legally constitutionally, and practically with an order that ensures that integrity for the safety of others. Last point we talk about First Amendment, First Amendment. Well, you know, you cant yell fire in a movie theater, right . Or anywhere else, right . Where it could impair other people safety. You cant if the fain people asked trump about that he owes a lot of money about that because youre impairing other peoples rights. And so i think an order thats balanced to protect constitutional freedoms of speech. But at the same time, protect other people is the right thing. I think judge juan machine has done and theyre also this is about lives on the line people are in danger thats why kaitlan got that interview. That remarkable interview with judge Reggie Walton of last week. Because judges are worried about the integrity of the judicial system when the people involved are gag orders or limit, i mean, everybody is unique term gag order, but that implies he can say what hes feeling. This is about witnesses. Its about jurors. Now its about the judges daughter, right. And judges have the obligation to do two things. They have to allow the First Amendment rights of people, but they also have to protect the integrity of a trial and you cant have the intent equity of a trial. If witnesses think they are going to be killed because of something that is said in the news media thats what the judge is trying to balance here. And i think allowing attacks on the judge, allowing attacks on the da, but not their families does strike a reasonable and appropriate balance. So trumps lawyers already talked about appealing. I mean, were where were they appeal this too . They would have hillock to the First Department in new york its probably not something that would get resolved before the trial starts, although this gag order will be in place throughout the trial because there are witnesses, there are jurors that the das office and the judge is looking to try to protect back from trump making these public statements, putting attention and shining the spotlight on them as this case plays out, which is going to go for two months. How long do you think this trial will go on for . Yeah. I mean, it would surprise me. Qarrah, if it were that long, you know, best. Right. You there all the time. But look, the bottom line is that the judge has to ensure the prosecution as can put on their case, which would allow for numerous records to go in to determine whether or not they were falsification of those records. They have to establish their proof. And then well see what cross examinations look like. And then of course, the defense has an opportunity to put on witnesses if they choose theres two under no obligation that that witness list is a lot of witnesses. They dont need to call all those witnesses. They are making a decision. It appears that they want to tell the full story of trumps relationship with the National Enquirer thats not necessary. What this case is, the technical requirement is just approved that the documents that trump filed with the government were false. Theres a thing prosecutors say sometimes thin to win, like only prove what you need to prove. They are not going thin to win if in fact they call all those witnesses this is now initially this was referred to as the hush money case l1 bragg has now tried to sort of position and more whereas hush money for the result being Election Interference, that that is going to be the big theme of the prosecution, which is this is not about porn, it is not about extramarital affairs. It is about getting news away from the voters on the eve of the 2016 Election Section thats the theory. Will the prosecution of a defense is certainly going to try to turn it into this is just a circus. This is just attacks on Donald Trumps care and they have to do that, right, jeff . Not that the facts, but certainly you have to establish the Election Interference to get to the felony. Right. And so i think thats what were here about it into your other point. Theres often this huge witness list. But then to what extent to witnesses become what we call cumulative. Theyre all going to say the same thing. So you pare it down, but you have to give the Defense Notice of the witnesses so that they can adequately prepared, though we see all those witnesses, they may not offer absolutely. Right . What happens if trump actually violates this gag order and weve talked about this endlessly. Well, he it happened in the civil case and he was fined. I think it was 10,000 once and then something that you remember thousand total 15,000 total finds initially, ultimately, judges can protect a can punish contempt by luck can someone up. I dont think thats going to happen, but initially finds is what is, what is the usual remedy for content. But if it doesnt happen, why do we have a gag order . In other words absolutely. The judge has a number of options and it could be a fine, but you have to speak in a language that someone understands clearly the economic language is not being on because of the fines. Will you have the courage, quite frankly, to enforce the order to what we call put them in. And if you put him in, maybe that in terms of a violation of liberty politically, itd be great for him, but practically you have to give it teeth if you dont give it teeth, that is the gag order why impose one in the first instant care . Is it your understanding . The trump is actually going to go to this trial this whole time. Yeah. I mean, one of the very first appearances the judge told trump that he expects him to be at every one of the days of the trial and that if he doesnt want to come, he needs to get a waiver to do so. Notice the judge warning and we will move forward without you. So if hes not there, the evidence is still gonna go on. Theres still going to bring their case and trump lets said that he understood that, but the judge making it clear he wants them there. So maybe hell be campaigning only on wednesdays because the judge sits monday, tuesday, thursday, friday, and he deals with other matters. So trump will be out on the campaign trail. Just wednesday, but this is the campaign trail, right . Hell be making a statement after every single appearance about the system its rigged that cetera so people will be covering this. I mean, it is it is history being absolutely and look how much attention he gets and he crowds out Everything Else you would think being a criminal defendant isnt the best thing, but donald trump has rewritten a lot of political rules of tube and joe jackson. Thank you. Kara scannell, always. Thank you. Coming up next, ill were learning about the attempted breach of the fbis atlanta field offers the drivers now in custody. What investigators are looking at and later a rare public appearance on easter weekend by Britains King Charles the latest. And what lies ahead for the royal family . Get your Viewing Glasses ready. Eclipse across america. Live next monday at one. This one, i think my when its time for an update or complete remodel, read about this with you. Every step of the way. Is this going to be ready for the baby . 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The Appeals Court said that he could post 1705, which is less than half, and he had until thursday to do it. So hes done it today, signed it today. So this is now posted that is satisfied. So it means that the new York AttorneyGenerals Office is not going to move forward to try to seize any of trumps acids which is very good. News for donald trump to do this. If he had not been able to post this bond, that meant that the state of new york could start seizing his property. Now, this situation is frozen for the duration at least of the appeal to the appellate division. First department, which is a notoriously slow court so i think this means months of no action in this case against his properties. Good news. The whole idea of of a fee like this, its not supposed to be punitive. So i mean, that was one of the arguments that was made of well, it should be lowered because its not supposed to be punishing him in order to be able to appeal. No, its not punishing him, but at the same time, there was a judicial judgment that was made. The judgment was in the amount of almost a 1 billion. And you have an obligation to satisfy that. There was a trial that went forward. They were proof and evidence that were presented in the judges decision. He parsed every single witness assess the credibility of the witness, talked about how the narrative of that witness further, the cause of the attorney general, what am i saying . Im saying that there was adjudication of liability after a trial and as a result of that, the system