the plan that's right for you at trust and whale.com >> this is cnn >> the world's news >> hello i'm jason dapper, in washington where the state of our union is paying the piper, donald trump is staring down another ignominious, albeit historic first and the next 24 hours your trump will either need to secure a $464 million bond or the new york attorney general can move to seize his assets to pay the civil fraud penalty that he faces late last week. trump pushed back on what has long been a sore spot for him. the actual numerical size of his bank account, mr. trump declared he had more than enough money, which undercuts his lawyers argument that securing a bond that large was a practical and possibility i guess we'll see you tomorrow. tomorrow is also when a different new york judge in a second case decides if mr. trump will soon stand trial on criminal charges against him in these stormy daniels hush money case leading up to the 2016 election. this is long been considered the most likely case to actually go to trial before this year's election. although on saturday in a third case, the fulton county, georgia district attorney, fani willis told cnn that despite a recent rebuke from a judge over her romantic relationship with her lead prosecutor, fani willis is team had continued to work on the election interference case against trump and others, and she told cnn yesterday that quote, i do think there are efforts to slow down the train, but the train is coming joining us now to talk about trump's deadline in new york tomorrow and much more, new york congresswoman alexandria, a cassio cortes, a democrat congresswoman. thanks for joining us so five years ago as a brand new member of the house of representatives, you grilled trump's former fixer, michael cohen about whether mr. trump had lied about his finances for tax purposes attorney general of new york, letitia james says that testimony directly led to her office's fraud investigation. and this 464 penalty, this bond trump has until tomorrow to post if he does not post that bond, do you think the state of new york and attorney general james should begin seizing his assets. and our you'd all concerned that doing so could actually lend him political support, feeding into his narrative that the deepstate and democrats are out to get him unfairly >> well, you know, i >> think >> attorney general james has been handling this case with tremendous skill. it's ultimately up to her determination, but it is my belief that all people should be treated equally under the law and if that seizure of acids would be pursued to any other american than donald trump should be treated the same as it as far as the political implications go, i think that what we are dealing with politically is the much larger and much more grave and serious pressure of having this judgment against against donald trump and him being in this degree of debt and the financial pressures that he is under, and what he is subject to do in order to obtain those assets. i actually think that whether it actually think that there is risk in not seizing these assets and and the open window that exists in him trying to secure these funds through other means. so we've seen a lot of interesting transactions happening with truth, social, and other means. and there's a very real risk of political corruption so again, i respect the attorney general's described question here, but i do think that he should be treated equally under the law. >> do you think well, let me put it this way. what do you say to an independent voter or an average voter who looks at what's going on with donald trump, you have his assets might be seize tomorrow. you also have the hush money case from the attorney general upside the district attorney alvin bragg of new york. you also have the georgia case about election interference. you also have the special counsel investigation on election interference. you also have the classified documents case down in florida. that's five cases. and to a vote or what do you say to a voter who says, well, that doesn't look like he's being treated equally before the law that looks like somebody that the government is going after >> has there ever been a president, republican or democrat that has been subject to this level? of criminal charges, indictments, and investigations. this is not about party this is not about politics. this is about corruption and criminality. we're talking about an individual who ordered essentially a terrorist attack on the capital of the united states in order to retain power. that, that is not about being a republican. it is not about being a democrat. it's about being an unethical and individual who is subject and prone to criminality and unfortunately i this is the state that we're in and i actually think that the fact that it's happening in so many places and so many jurisdictions cuts in the face of that. this is not just new york, this is georgia, this is federal courts as well. >> so in the house of representatives, house speaker mike johnson is facing a real revolt within the republican conference. after passing the government funding bill this week on friday, republican congresswoman marjorie taylor green announced to call to vote to remove him as speaker. a motion to vacate at some point she says, republicans are about to be down to a single seat majority. some democrats are saying they're gonna vote if the motion to vacate comes up, they'll vote to keep speaker johnson as speaker to avoid avoid additional chaos. how would you vote? >> i think that democrats who work as a team, i have not inclined to vote for a speaker johnson, i'm not inclined to vote for an individual who at for speaker, who doesn't believe in women's rights, doesn't believe in rights to bodily autonomy. >> who >> has supported overturning presidential or presidential election. i might vote would most likely be for a speaker, jeffries, which becomes an increasingly likely reality day after day as republicans pursue further midterm resignations. but i think for those so of us and for any democratic inclined i don't think we do that for free. and i don't think that we do that out of sympathy for republicans i think that the realities of governance are there. we want to make sure that that governance continues and that responsible governance continues and that generally tends to happen under a democratic majority. >> you gave a very forceful speech on the house floor friday about the humanitarian crisis in gaza. you called on president biden to cut off us military aid to israel. i think we have a clip of part of what you said. let's roll that if you want to know what an unfolding genocide looks like, open your eyes. it looks like the force famine of 1.1 million in a sense, we must write our story in this moment of what it means and who we are as americans and our story must be not that we were good men who did nothing now >> clearly not enough aid is getting in. clearly the conditions for the palestinian people are horrific and much more needs to be done. genocide is a word that has serious and specific connotations and allegations. it's defined by the intent to destroy in whole or in part national, ethnic, racial, or religious group. >> so >> you just to clarify here, you believe the israeli military, the israeli government are actively trying they intend to destroy the palestinian people and not that what's happening is horrible. but it's happening because israel is going after the terrorists of hamas who attacked them on october 7 and hamas embed heads within the civilian population >> well, take you're absolutely right. this word is extremely serious. it's one that's taken with extraordinary gravity and to me the threshold of intent is a high one. it is a serious 1 and is not one that is made lightly however, when we look at the precipice of what is happening with a forced famine of 1.1 million gazans where multiple governments ngos, and even officials within the united states state department have stated themselves plainly that the israeli government and leaders in the israeli government are intentionally denying blocking and slow walking this aid in and are precipitating a mass famine i believe we have crossed the threshold of intent. it is horrific i think it is extremely clear and it is extremely important that all people understand the difference between people and their governments israelis and the israeli government palestinians from hamas. but what we are seeing here, i think with a forced famine is beyond our ability to deny or explain away. there is no targeting of hamas in precipitated a mass famine of 1 million people, half of whom are children. >> so i asked israeli officials about your speech and they say, we are allowing hundreds of aid trucks into gaza every single day. they're trying to increase those numbers. they have to inspect the cargo to make sure no weapons are getting in. weapons that would be used by hamas against the people of israel. they also israeli officials also argued this war could end tomorrow if kamaz free the hostages and lay down the arms, do you disagree >> i do disagree because when we are talking about famine the actions of hamas should not be tied to whether a three-year-old can eat the actions of hamas do not justify forcing thousands, hundreds of thousands of people to eat grass as their bodies consume themselves >> we >> end the israeli government has a right to go after hamas, but we are talking about a population of millions of innocent palestinians. we are talking about collective punishment, which is injustifiable. and the excuses that the israeli government is giving about what they are and are not allowing simply do not square with what the uk government is stating with what international aid organizations are stating, and even what our own state department officials or say are stating, which is that they are not allowing aid to go through when they're talking about inspections, were talking about, us aid. the united states aid >> and so i think that if we are to operate as allies then we must operate in good faith to uphold the principles of democracy, which includes rich, includes respect for human rights, and also proving the value of our democracy, which is that we are different than authoritarian and we are different from other types of regimes with no regard for innocent people tangsuan, alexandria ocasio-cortez. thank you for joining us this morning. we appreciate it >> thank you. >> coming up next congress nearly avoid a shutdown and funds the government. could speaker johnson lose his job over this? remember, are the house freedom caucus republican congressman chip roy of texas joins me, live next plus donald trump's $464,000,000 bill comes due. what happens? if he cannot pay up? we'll talk to my panels, stay with us >> united states of scandal with jake tapper tonight at nine on cnn, when mario needs to be at 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potentially in jeopardy. and the slim republican majority now getting eaten even slimmer, joining a down to discuss texas congressman chip roy. congressman, thanks for joining. so you voted against the government funding bill, former trump campaign official mark lottery told me friday, quote, i get why conservatives are upset about it but there are three bodies that it takes to pass a law and republicans controlling only one of them so you're going to have to negotiate unquote. now, i know that you wanted more. >> what >> what better do you think speaker johnson and republican leadership? what better could they have negotiated? >> yeah, we're good morning, jake. well, with all due respect, that's just the kind of language that you come to expect out of a una party in washington who continues to just do what they've always done while the american people are left holding the bag that's the truth you ask, well, what could we have done? i, don't want to get into too much of the second guessing and looking backwards, right? i mean, it is what it is. it's very difficult job for the speaker. i get that we're in divided government. i didn't want to get everything right. i mean, i wanted to, but i knew i wouldn't get everything i wanted. but you know what i wanted. i wanted to some sense of sanity on spending some sense of sanity on the border some sense of sanity on any of the issues the american people actually care about. and we got none of that. we got a doubling down on the very thing that the people who sent me to washington and i believe the vast majority of texans and americans are frustrated with when i, when i went to washington as a staffer 20 years ago, the national debt was 6 trillion. i love town, went back to texas, did a bunch of stuff i'll come back to in congress were 34.5 trillion. both parties are equally to blame over that time both parties, the unit party, the entire establishment in washington, keeps spending money. we don't have racking up debt to advance policies that are undermining their safety and well-being, wide open borders. we got laken riley who dies because of mass parole policies releasing people under the united states, that man was released under those policies against the she dies. we've got hundreds of examples of texans, people all across the country. we do nothing to secure the border zero. yeah, that's the problem that the american people are looking at and they're frustrated about it. so, yeah, i'd oppose the bill and you asked what i would've done i would have stuck with the bipartisan caps there were passed on a majority basis out of the house and the senate, i would have passed a cr that would have triggered the caps. we get to constrain spending. we would have kept defense flat. we would have cut the bureaucracy and then we could have got busy trying to negotiate on border security. so you said that speaker mike johnson blew it. your fellow congresswoman, marjorie taylor greene, is making a motion to vacate the speakership to remove him. will you support that? look, that's the kind of inside the beltway palace drama that you guys love to report on at the end of the day right now, what i wanna do is try to make sure the american people can win at the end of this rainbow, this bill has now been passed. we're spending money that we don't have working to rack up more debt. i disagree with that. i want to focus now on securing the border of the united states states i want israel funding my radical progressive democratic colleagues like my friend alexandra, who was just on right now they don't want to support israel. you heard it directly from her i think we should they don't want to secure the border of the united states. i think we should they. don't want to constrain spending. they don't want to hold the fbi accountable. they don't want to do the things the american people want us to do. i think we should, and i think republicans should stand up on that platform and advance it and we should not use as an excuse. and this is gonna be the big to answer your question. the big decision point for the speaker. we should not put ukraine funding on the floor of the house unless we have come to an agreement, then we're going to make sure that israel is taken care of properly, that we pay for this stuff and that we do what we're supposed to do to secure the border of the united states. not one dollars. you'd go to the ukraine funding not $1 if the border of the united states is wide open to allow chinese four nationals, people from all over the world, right dangerous individuals, venezuela, criminal gang members to come in and the american people. >> so with all due respect for that, whether or not you're going to vote for a motion to vacate is not it's not palace drama. i mean, there was a motion to vacate and the country through three weeks without a speaker of the house. it's a very real thing. i didn't agree to these rules one person being able to offer a motion to vacate that's that was that was something negotiated when kevin mccarthy came speaker the question is one, speaker about do you think speaker johnson is fit to be speakers? the question i guess the one person motion to vacate has been the role of the house dating back to the early 1800s. there's nothing new and novel about that. i opposed the use of the motion to vacate against kevin mccarthy very openly and very loudly against my right flank colleagues and everybody across the entire body. i disagreed with it. it was a mistake. kevin was actually honoring most of the agreement that we came up with. we were actually having bills that we had 72 hours to read. you know what, that got violated this last week, mike was wrong. we were actually putting builds on the floor with amendments. we have 1,100 amendments process you and i visited after the speakers debate about 14 months ago, yeah. and we talked about what we were trying to change. we were actually carrying those things out. amendments were being processed, appropriations bills were being passed? yes. not in full agreement with my democratic colleagues, but then you should have gone to the senate. we should make sure to pass bills and we should a conference them that's what's broken in this god first taken town while the american people wonder why their businesses can function in there, they're nonprofits, in their homes. they can manage budgets but in washington, we just print money and we retreat to our corners and shoot at each other. look, i think speaker johnson, i've been public about this, made a mistake when he walked away from the bipartite kristen cabs and a cr that could've put pressure on my democratic colleagues to come to the table. that was a mistake. i don't think this bill was reflective of what the american people want. it expands government, increases spending, increases, that doesn't secure the border, doesn't do what we need to do, advances or radical agenda doesn't make our defense focused on mission instead of social engineering i think we should have changed those things. now, let's get busy, but i can promise you, if you put a ukraine bill on the floor and you haven't secured the border. there's going to be a problem within the ranks and on capitol hill. so let's focus on doing her job. there are people across the spectrum, and here's another thing. all last year, we had a great conversation, brian in fitzpatrick, some of the new york delegation, myself, mike martin garcia and california moderates conservatives, figuring out how to advance the ball and we pass the limit saved grow conservatives voted to increase the debt ceiling. we'd never done that before. we pass the strongest border security bill we've ever passed. he hadn't done that in years. we passed appropriations, bills. these are all things we can do if we'll just come together and work on it, but we better get our act together over easter so we can deliver for the american piece. so just one last question before you go, sir, the attorney general of new york, letitia james james is set to begin to seize trump's properties, including a golf course and private estate. if he does not pay this nearly half $1 bond tomorrow, that's a fine. this comes after the new york judge found that donald trump committed fraud by exaggerating the value of his golf clubs and buildings to get better loans and lower taxes. do you think? that he should be punished for what the judge found him guilty of and what do you think happens if letitia james start seizing properties >> obviously, i >> believe in the rule of law, and >> obviously i believe that you've got to follow that where where it leads. however, here's the problem. this lawfare, if you want to use that framing and phraseology apology this targeting of the former president, whether you're talking about impeachment, which, which was done, whether you're talking about all of these cases, there's multiple cases. all of that is having an inverse effect, right? the average hardworking americans out there saying, what are you doing? all of this politics, it's going on and then they complain about whether jump yaz is going to buy by up. the truth social, and whether that's going to happen. look, when you play these law lawfare games, then you're going to win stupid prizes. and the fact is right now, the president, the former president, is gaining popularity against a feeble current president, destroying our country attacking israel, undermining are contrary the open-borders and present does it trump is actually gaining popularity because they're just focusing on trying to go after him i think that's what you're seeing. the product of that in real time. and what we need to right now is to focus on the issues the american care american people care about. secure the border, stops spending money. we don't have lead. if you're going to stand up, stand up with israel, do not fund israel until you've dealt with your own border and stop destroying the american dream and making it impossible to afford health care. i saw barack obama out championing obamacare we've had a quadrupling of the price of health insurance since obamacare was passed nobody can afford it and nobody can get coverage. the woman in my district who can't even go to md anderson, which he's gotten stage four cancer undercoverage because they forced it through this crappy health care coverage. i'm a cancer survivor. i couldn't go back to md anderson on the obamacare. i have currently as a member of congress more than that, i would have under under under the policies. so look, the american people want us to fight for them. that's what we need to do for the next six months. and if we do that, if the president who showed up to drain the swamp and build the wall is the guy running? he'll do fine. >> all right. congressman chip roy. good to see you, sir. thanks for joining us today. >> thanks, jake. we'll talk >> about why so many house members are in the 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speaker would end up with a democrat. >> these games, not working together as it's turning people off welcome back to the state of. the union house republicans >> just cannot get on the same page, my panel joins me now and let me start with the one member of congress at their table, although at your democrat, but what's going on with the republicans as far as you can see, because we were just talking before we came back from break, a lot of reasonable republicans, very conservative, but they're to govern gallagher granger and on and on and on. are heading for the exits. >> there's a lot of discontent happening and when i saw and heard there's gonna be possibly another motion of aki. said, here we go again. the dysfunctional republican do nothing. congress continues this would further paralyze congress, but you definitely hear it amongst republicans, the discontent the feeling that there's nothing getting done. you could just look and say how many bills have been passed and how dysfunctional and is even the fact that the congress is having a take votes on suspension which is really not to translate well, what happens generally when the party in power, majority party, they're able to have rules passed so that they only need a majority vote in the congress. but because republicans cannot even agree on rules they're having to go to a vote which requires two-thirds of the congress who all agree on something that's how we've been passing in funding, government. and if you take a look to as a member of congress, it's shocking to me that democrats, the party and the minority have put up more of us than you have in the party that's trying to govern to fund the government, to raise the debt ceiling, and getting things done. and this is what we've got to continue to tell the american people, put us back in power because we can govern. we've been actually doing that. right? >> i doubt you agree with that. what's your take on an all >> well to say republicans are heard luck cats as an insult to cats. we've always had 5678 members of the republican conference who just weren't gonna do whatever the speaker wanted to do. well now that's enough to log jam the whole thing. and so we always talk about senate. we have a crisis of leadership in the house. we have a crisis of followership. and i think that's what your sweat you see now, but i think mike johnson is doing a good job. i think he has the confidence of almost every everybody in the republican conference. but the problem is almost is not quite 218. >> what even yeah, i think speaker johnson could be daniel webster, right? it could be the greatest legislative mind of our generation. >> a >> one seat majority is going to make it just impossible because the margin of error is brad was saying is you're always going to have people who are instead, you're always have some matt gaetz is and marjorie taylor greene's people were incentivized to cause trouble. and when you have a margin of error of one seat, you just don't have any ability to actually govern your own caucus. never mind. work with democrats who have their own political incentive structure. and the real issue here is sort of what up before the political equipment equivalent of gresham is law where the quality legislators are just leaving this, they just don't want have anything to do with this crazy town stuff. and they're gonna be replaced with more people who are the performative people. it's good as being chased out by bad. so and >> congressman gallagher, as i think one of the people john is talking about here, which is chairman of the china committee former marine, good-looking guy from wisconsin, respected, nice person, very conservative not crazy on his way out the door, leaving early and actually leaving the time to leave that seat open. why do you think people like gallagher, i mean, other than their own personal reasons, why are so many legislators leaving? >> because it's dysfunctional. and i think some people, whether i agree with their politics or not, i think some people, most people run for congress because they want to actually work for the american people. a lot of folks though, that are getting in front of the camera and have the leverage in the republican party are just there for performance. it seems like they want to grow their ex, or instagram graham followers more than pass bills. and i think that when you get to a point and you see, man, we even have the majority as republicans and we can't even work together it's frustrating. i would be frustrated two and so maybe these folks are leaving saying there's another path for me to help the american public. i also think though they have a one-person majority because people are resigning. but the republican majority was not that large to begin with at the beginning of this conference. when you're an adult and you realize that the numbers don't always work in your favor. you have to work with other adults that are congresspeople, and that's not what the republicans want to do. and so at this point, i think some folks are just saying, i'll note though democrats aren't really resigning because they also are saying, if we get the majority back in the fall, we can get something so big story tomorrow is going to be donald trump. and whether or not he's able to pony up for this almost $500 million bond. and if not the attorney general of new york letitia james could start seizing his assets trump did say on truth, social, his social media app that he does have the money he wrote, quote through hard work, talent and luck, i currently have almost $500 million in cash. a substantial amount of which i intended to use in my campaign for president though, his lawyers told the judge earlier this week that he does not have the money and that posting a full bond of this size was a practical impossibility. what, what are we going to see tomorrow? do you think? >> great question >> you know, >> but i do think that all of type of what will be seen as overly punitive machinations in the courts probably strengthens donald trump in the election and i think democrats, if i were on the democrat side, i would say this is unhelpful distraction like this is going to be an election that's going to be one on two different visions of where the country goes. and the more we focus on things that are happening in the courts. i think is going to backfire on democrats. >> what do you think? are you worried at all about that? >> no. i mean, i think that this is to show what who donald trump is here. he is lying to the court on the papers. one of the two i'm it just goes to show you what we're dealing with they're gonna be some people that will be activated by what's going on. but i think you're hearing more and more of voters and people we talked to saying, do they want a president that's been convicted? they want a president who is achieved and hopefully they see what it was like under his presidency, what it's like under the biden presidency and will give president biden four more years to finish the job just even looking at what's been accomplished in his short time, whether it was a chip sacks, whether it's the ira which creating jobs, the economy is doing well, even if people don't feel that we've got to go and remind people that we need time to implement all those laws. so they are going to feel it because prescription drug prices haven't even started being negotiated yet. so that is part of what needs to be done. and hopefully they'll see that difference in making sure that we get voters to give biden four more, you know what i mean? >> one second. the point he's making though, this prescription drug benefit that hasn't even begin being negotiated, that's something that's not going to get covered tomorrow. no. >> because of donald trump's bond issue. and i wonder if you think ultimately this does help trump in some way, because that's something that actually voters would want to hear about, right? >> yeah, i like i think it is another way for donald trump to dominate the new cycle, sucks up a lot oxygen. it makes it more difficult for democrats to make their case for themselves it's also what i have 0.0 sympathy for trump, the man he invites all the trouble that he gets. but this case is really kind of gross. this is a prosecutor who runs on prosecuting, promising to go after one guy, letitia james? >> yes. letitia james, the case >> itself is unprecedented. the scope. there are no victims who came forward. it looks extremely political and i get that it's fan service for the anti-trump left. i don't know that it actually helps democrats very much. >> i think this election, you want a rally, both of your basis. and i do think that this case can help rally trump's base. but if i was democrats, i would be spinning this argument in a different way. the criminal justice system, if you break the law, you have to pay the price. and donald trump breaks the law over and over, and he does it 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