Call now im lauren fox on capitol hill, and this is cnn all right. Its tuesday, march 19, right now on cnn this morning primary day about to get underway. One senate race in ohio could help us learn a lot about what to expect in november, Donald Trumps mounting legal troubles, the former president s next move after saying he cant pay a Court Ordered 464 bond and Prince William about to appear in public amid intense speculation about his wife, kate health. What will it take to quiet the Royal Rumor Mill . Its going to take a lot all right 06 00 a. M. Here in washington, this is a live look at New York City where some of those buildings are potential collateral for the former president s. But hed have to sell them. Thats whats known as an illiquid asset good morning, everyone. Im kasie hunt. Its wonderful to have you with us on this Tuesday Morning and we do start there trouble on to legal fronts. For former President Donald Trump. First, a judge in new york ruling former trump lawyer Michael Cohen and adult film star Stormy Daniels, can testify in the former president s hush money trial. Trumps legal team had tried to block them both the expresident s lawyers also announcing he is not able to come up with a Court Ordered 464 bond from his civil fraud trial, 30 Insurance Companies refusing to help him, despite frequent claims like this one i have a lot of money. I have a lot of money on this deal have a tremendous income. And the reason i say that is not in a bragged notion way. Im turning down menus. I dont want your money. I dont want anybodys money fortunately, im very richest. The goodness im very rich. All right lets bring in former White House Communications director, kate bedingfield, evan osnos is a staff writer for the new yorker. We also have with us at kaitlan, polands who covers all things, legal for us, caitlin. Thank you for being here. Kate, ive been great to have you guys with us as well honestly caitlin, i want to just dig into this for 464 million for a second, and kind of what is next for that because there are all these questions about Letitia James the attorney general. And what is she going to do . And what does this i mean, is it padlocks on the doors of trump tower like what does it mean for him next well thats a great question. We would have a couple of days still to see what happens. And there are a number of Appeal Routes that donald trump is trying to take. Theres also something out there where perhaps he may want to make a deal or try and get a loan from a different institution. What we learned yesterday was about 30 Insurance Brokers who were refusing to underwrite him posting this bond to 464 million right when you have lawsuit and you lose like this though you have to figure out something to do and were seeing that with rudy giuliani, who filed for bankruptcy to try and hold some things off when he got theyve similarly extremely large judgment against him in the trumps sphere, though, trump has real estate and the issue with a lot of these underwriters is that they dont want real estate as collateral they want him to post the cash, right . Which he saying i dont know, or theyre not willing to underwrite me, right. As hes a risk. Well that would be their decision. I mean, the center of writer size. I mean, he did have somebody that is his own Insurance Brokers say that it is an practical possibility, right . For him to post post a bond like this. But there are still a couple of days. He is still going to court and try trying to hold off these appeals. But to answer your question, what happens when the deadline comes and the judgment is final . The winner of the lawsuit they get to go and collect. They can file liens, they can try and seize assets. They can lock things down and lawyers move very quickly when theyre working in this, were trying to collect on a lawsuit. Yeah. All right. So lets talk about the politics of all of this because i think i turned over the Wall Street Journal editorial page looking at this, basically saying their headline is Letitia James turns the screws on trump. Their argument is essentially kate that this is not that he is being treated unfairly, that she is basically going after him. Shes picking on him. Its a political for political reasons that the judgment is so large that it is like unfair and seemingly, obviously unfair. In fact, i dont want happen to my New York Post its around here somewhere no, its buried here. Hi, high seas, james plots to take trumps buildings helped democrats by bankrupting the dawn what is your view of this particular case . And how it helps or hurts the arguments that trump is out there making to voters that the system is against him. Yeah. Well i look, i think this is an argument for the Republican Base and its one hes made quite effectively to the Republican Base, i think two years ago, the sense was that there wasnt really a chance that donald trump could be the republican nominee. And in part, i would argue he is because he is effectively made this case that the systems out to get him and hes taken it on and hell take it on on your behalf. It it works with republic, but the Republican Base, it works with the maga base i do not believe this is ineffective general election argument, and i think that this creates two problems for him. I mean, first of all, the more he is mired in legal proceedings, the harder it is for him to talk about anything else. And there were some pulling over the weekend that showed that a conviction in the Stormy Daniels case would have an impact on a subset of voters. Theres kind of been conventional wisdom that its like the jack smith case or nothing. And voters dont care about anything else, but i dont, i think again, the state over the weekend showed thats not true. I also just think for for him to be mired in legal proceedings, it makes it apart from talk about anything else. It reminds people that for him, this is all about him running for president is really all about him. And then of course theres the fact that this case is about putting the lie to the notion that hes very rich. I mean, this goes piece of it. This goes to one of the arguments that he makes are the he believes makes him who he is. Im going i got to say like i found if im thinking like trumps billionaire, im like your average. Some of the watch these celebrity, maybe doesnt like engage in politics. You, we cant pay 464 million. Maybe its not as rich as he said. Well, yeah, i do think theres a way in which this dense, the illusion of teflon, the idea that there is literally nothing that can get donald trump. It looked, its not the most relatable dilemma that in the end is a problem for him. Hes trying to have this visceral connection with people and this is not helping. Its also so unusual to get to the end of a lawsuit, especially in trumps world, because its so much about elongating the process. And finally, were here in this case and this a judgment. Now, what yeah. Well, and just to be clear to caitlin, i mean, this is the one thing i keep i keep tripping on hes got to do this. If he wants to appeal the judgment, correct. There is. Yes. So you have to post bond if you want to continue your appeal hills because you have to be able to assure the court system that if you lose on appeal, youre still going to pay or do whatever youre going to need to do. So when you get to the point where you lose a lawsuit like this, and there is a financial finding theres only two routes, really. Its appeal and put up the money you can keep going in the court system or just bay. Theres or you lose. People collect is another little political element here too, which is that trump has now installed members of his family at the rnc who are like actively raising money in his defense. So theres also, you know, hes going to voters essentially are his its party has apparatus is going to voters and saying, you know, helped me pay and thats i just i cant fathom that. Thats a particularly effective argument. Well, maybe thats all for their heart, all the meetings with people, last names like musk and allison, you never know are there are panel comes back in just a second today, Ohio Republican select their partys candidate for a key senate seat. One of those cans its frank larose will join us to discuss whats been a pretty nasty race. 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And he hopes to work in the jail library, happens to be Air Condition there, which is a nice perk apparently in the miami heat, our panel back with us caitlin so hes going into the lions den, i guess here what do we expect to see today . And lets also dig into this. What was the argument he made the other person has been held in contempt of steve bannon, who is also tied up in all of this. He is not going to jail today. Whats the difference yeah. So casey, jail is nothing prison. This is prison. Nothing to sneeze at its very serious for anyone to spend any time in prison. Peter navarro is going to be there for four months. Its the same sentence to see bannon received for the same conviction refusing to testify to congress, refusing to turn over documents in the house january 6, probe in this situation, Peter Navarro justin, and present evidence in court that he had a claim of executive privilege, even though he was working in the Trump White House at the end of the presidency, he just had nothing to show in court to be able to refute this idea, whereas steve bannon had a letter from his lawyer and this sort of squishy claim from trump that he should not talk about what he was doing for him so there is a difference there legally, but i talked to Peter Navarros Prison Consultant. Thats someone that you can hire to help you prepare prisoner the experience . Yes. This is a thing goes no, this was a career. Sure theyre actually theres a couple of guys in the country there. They know a lot about the different prisons and how they work. Navarro is going to a Satellite Camp in miami. He is 74, so hes going to be asking to be in an elderly dorm. Hes going to not want to be out in the miami heat working. He has to get a job in prison, so theyre going to see if he can be like a Law Librarian in or Something Like that. He is a economist and there are people on the inside that the Prison Consultant is also connected to that will help him acclimate. Its next to the zoo. You can hear the lions roar in miami. But theres a big deal here too, in that its not just about Peter Navarro, this is a huge moment for congress because they finally got to enforce a subpoena or they didnt get to enforce this spina. He never actually turned over the documents are testified, but they finally had some sort of hammer come down hes going to jail and also there a lot of people in the Donald Trumps sphere that have gone through the court system and have been released i do think if theres one message that this sends, its if youre thinking about going to work for donald trump in a potential second administration. This is the logical consequence in the ad, and its, its not abstract. This is historymaking, this is Peter Navarro was a harvard trained economist who was a professor in california, got involved in the Trump Movement way and ended up at the end of this long Process Waiting For Donald Trump to come out and corroborate his claim so that he might be able to avoid prison. It didnt happen. And heres where hes going. Hes going to prison in miami. Yeah. I mean, we sort of joked about how people in first they came to washington first they got a job, then they got to lawyer in the last administration seems like youd better have one and i mean i mean essentially Peter Navarro wrote it is in all of this trouble will one because he supported and spoke positively about the insurrection. Lets not lose sight of how serious the assure you know, the allegation is here. He was stoking essentially an attempted coup. So to my mind, prison time appropriate for that but it is interesting. I mean, he essentially, you know, he wrote about it in his book and i sort of, i have this curious theory that trump just essentially wouldnt, wouldnt back him up because he didnt want to give him credit for it. You know we are living in remarkable times parts 745 caitlin, pull it much for being here. All right, up next here, cnn on the ground in haiti where machetewielding gangs have taken over cutting off food and water to the capital city. 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