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Donald trumps horrible, no good, very bad day. The one thing that he really, really didnt want to admit. And one person he really, really doesnt want you to hear from tonight. Im laura codes live all right, so trump has finally admitted now what many of you already perhaps new gold might be as favorite color, but hes not made of it. Remember the be asked to post a 454 million bond a week from today in the new york ag civil fraud case. Now you add that to an additional 10 million bucks. Whats called disgorgement. Thats a fancy way of saying that don junior and eric got to pay back. Well, they shouldnt have gotten in the first place. That would then be 464 million bucks. Whos got that kind of money laying around will not donald trump. Apparently, he cant pay the 464 million. Well, that he probably cant pay the amount plus pay the interest he owes on that amount after its all said and done. And what is that . Forest were talking nearly 115,000 a day. Now, all of that is a lot. No matter how rich you are or arent. I have a lot of money. I have a lot of money on this deal, have a tremendous income and the reason i say that is not in a bragging doses way, im turning down millions. I dont want your money. I dont want anybodys money. Fortunately, im very ritualistic. Goodness im very rich if a payment that he cant make. Two and the manhattan da, alvin bragg said he absolutely did make im talking about a Hush Money Payment to one Stormy Daniels, a judge will today that she will be allowed to testify at the upcoming trial. Now im not clear whether the case actually hinges on her testimony. They would need corroboration and additional evidence, approve all the counts, and there are many in that case. But the irony should not be lost on you. Its not lost on me. Thats for sure. Just think this is the woman they allegedly tried to shut up just before a president ial election. Now shell have a lot to say just before what a president ial election. But make no mistake. She is painfully aware of the price of speaking out and she talks about it in a new documentary. Back in 2018, that was stuff like liar gold digger. This time around, is very different. It is direct threats. It is. Im going to come to your house and slit your throat. Your daughter should be euthanized. Theyre not even using bought a cows theyre using their real accounts so will strong with daniels get the last word after all lets talk about this with trumps and talk about trumps failure to secure that 464 million bond dont forget to add the interest in the new york civil fraud trial. I want to bring in cnns tom foreman, tom. So this is a lot of money. Where on earth is he going to get the money . I dont know. He has always bragged about how rich he is. As you just pointed out, laura and yet his lawyers say he cannot come up with this roughly half billion he owes for committing civil fraud citing insurmountable difficulties. They say trump has appealed to 30 different Insurance Underwriters to help him post a bond essentially paying them to guarantee the ag will get the money if he loses all his appeal and all the underwriters have said no so far, all of them i mean, think about that. Just 30 ever meant the very least. I mean, just last fall for was put out and they put trumps net worth, i think at 2. 6 billion. And by the way, as you said, he always brags about how richie is so it given a reason as to why theyre saying no to him. Oh, trumps team says, its more money than some of these companies will ever agree to. But even those who might consider it want cash to backup the deal and trumps money is tied up in real estate in places like maralago in trump tower in new york, and more than and a half dozen other properties there. Hes got a building in chicago, las vegas, san francisco. He has of course golf courses and resorts, money and companies such as truth social, even in his airplane for the underwriters, although that is all worth a lot of money all of that could turn into a massive headache of property management. Complicated deals with partners and wildly swinging values. So they just dont want it. They want something that can turn into money. Right now if they need it. So not exclusive ownership on any of these particular properties. Interesting to think about time. I mean, the team, the trump path as is still of course, asking the court for a break. They they say they made a good faith effort to raise the money, but its just exorbitant is just too much. So if the court doesnt bend, which i dont know that they even have to what happens. Well, james is indicated, she doesnt really want to do that. He does not go to jail. This is not a criminal case. But unless something changes, legal analysts say next week, new York Attorney general could start seizing some of those properties. We just talked about the ones in new york would probably make the most sense to make sure if donald trump loses his appeal, he will pay the judgment which is growing by more than 100,000 every day, as you pointed out, but i will point this out, laura, the simple truth is the very same reason that Insurance Underwriters may be hesitant about some of that could then be a problem for the Attorney General as well, because suddenly you got all this property that you have to turn into money and wall, it might be worth a lot that may be a little more complicated than you think. Thats a really important point because the Uphill Battle he faces in trying to convert it into cash, itd be the same for an asset forfeiture. And many respects, tom. Form. And thank you so much. Welcome now, i want to bring in Catherine Ram policy and economics and political commentator and also shark tank judge kevin oleary, the chairman of oleary ventures. Wow, what Great Fortune do i owe this particular pairing to experts in this field . Let me start with you, kevin here because im you got a lot of money youre a High Net Worth individual. And i wonder, give me a sneak peek inside of this world. I mean, why cant trump secure alone off of the value of his profits alone and properties alone i dont think this case is about trump anymore. I think this case is about new york. Its about the american brand. Its about what we promised the world in terms of fairness and justice and investing capital in the country thats built the largest economy on Earth Forfeiture seizing of assets. Is that in our nomenclature in america, is that what we tell people that want to bring their money here and protect property rights, forget about trump, nothing to do with trump. You think this is good for business in new york. You think this is good for business in america . To take a law that we use to protect people against Buying Refrigerators at an overpriced value decades ago and apply it against an individual and then talk about seizing assets like he was in venezuela or in cuba. This is very, very, very bad. Look for new york and everybody around the world is watching this. This may be great for Attorney General, but this is not for america. Im glad you ended the last very otherwise, i wouldnt have known that you emphatically believed your position with that that third very for there, but i want to ask him, obviously, catherine, there is acid in Forfeiture Laws on the books because they do seize assets, they do fit property and beyond kevins point, though more largely, is that this decision by the Teacher James and the judge makes a disincentive and create one for those in new york. Do you agree with that i mean, its a disincentive for fraudsters to engage in business in new york that certainly to true like who benefits . From maintaining the freedom to commit fraud. Its people who want to commit fraud and as to the point about it being bad for business in general, the fact that we have laws against fraud, and we enforce laws against fraud is why its good to do business in the United States and not in a place like venezuela, because we have rule of law that helps create trust in counterparties that means that you know that if youre making a deal with someone, you have a contract with someone that they are representing themselves fairly that youre gonna get the money that was ot or whatever in exchange for goods or services thats why its good to do business here because we have these laws and we enforce these laws. And trump broke them. Thats as simple as it is. There wasnt just a smoking gun here. There was like smoking arsenal. There were multiple points of evidence in this case about backfilling numbers to create the asset value or the net worth value that trump wanted to create backer was asked the reason gets is that the reason you think he can secure the loan that the overvaluation component of the properties has now made it such that nobody trusts him enough to give them alone is that your point well, i would say that if you get in trouble for fraudulently inflating your assets, i think you shouldnt be super surprised when nobody wants to accept those assets as collateral. And you know, its a little bit lighter if you get in trouble for selling a glass ring that you claim as a diamond and then you want to put up an appeal bond and use your quote, Unquote Diamond Ring as collateral like theres a lot of clips, but beyond that, we dont even know about the value of this real estate. We dont know how leveraged these properties are, how much equity he actually has in any of them, who he owes. This was let me you both you a very excited and i love it. I want to hear from both of you, kevin, on this point though, on the idea of the leveraging of it and evaluation if trump doesnt figure out how to pay the bill, i mean, ages, james is going to have to try to start seizing property. Shes by the way has said as much as knew what she said we are prepared to make sure that the judgment is paid to new yorkers. And yes, i look at 40 Wall Street each and every day if he does not have funds to pay off the judgment and then we will seek Judgment Enforcement mechanisms in court. And we will ask the judge to seize his assets. Now, you take an issue with this. Of course, more broadly in terms of what it means to be an American Business structure. Kevin but in terms of valuation, you can you be clear as to why i mean, why would the properties not be sufficient collateral . What a great message to send out all around the world. Take a claim where there was no money is lost. There was no, there was no fraud here in the context of actually people losing money, Deutsche Bank who made the loan was made whole and lets make a penalty of half 1 billion against a crime apparently were no monies were lost great message for new york, great message for america. Bring your capital because will protect your property i think that was a statement that would be much better made some time in venezuela. Im not kidding. Thats a scary, scary message. And by the way this is existing markets. There are no half 1,000,000,000 bonds never been done before never. This law has never been applied forget about trump, nothing to do with trump everything to do about america and the new york brand. I love this state. My children live here a horrible message to everybody around the world watching this absolutely horrific. Well, we have kevin hold on a second. Kevin gone one day he gone one day. And this wonderful. Be talking over how we have been oleary mirror. I would but america, what are you doing . I but its not the Lara Coates Live Show and i am speaking. So that will be the rule. Not been nowhere else. Fine. But its lara coats live and hello, my name is laura coates. The question i want to ask you on this point though, is, what does the reverse . Say, kevin, if they do not take action, i hear your point about you believe theres no fraud and that everyone was made whole. But a judge found otherwise. And so given that catherine to kevins point, can you address what your opinion is on the issue because your big major concern seems to be what happens if this is not followed through by james or the courts . What message would that sound using . Think thats thats anti american look, im surprised that kevin is wasting his good name defending fraud and lies, which i am convinced kevin, you have not committed i dont understand why are you defending the actions of someone who has committed these actions that again, there is ample ample evidence that he has done this. And the idea that just because you know, the banks themselves may have been in on there fraud, doesnt necessarily make it any better. I mean every single borrower who played by the rules, who who honestly reported their income, their assets, their liabilities they were were put at a disadvantage by the fact that trump lied and didnt play by the rules. Think about every other more productive borrower, what they could have done with these hundreds of millions of dollars, what could have done with these hundreds of millions of dollars . And again, i believe you play by the rules. Trump does not. We have lots of evidence that he does not. This is bad for the marketplace. It is bad for other bar or worse, its frankly bad for the shareholders of these banks who didnt, didnt benefit from this. Maybe the bankers who helped him out with this fraud got a little fatter bonus but their shareholders, were not benefiting from this the idea that it is good for the business environment, good for america to not enforce laws against fraud but its just bizarre that that is how it works in venezuela. And in nigeria. And in lots of other places where they do not have rule of law and where there is not Counterparty Trust in business transactions. Well, kevin oleary, dont make me regret fast, but ill give you the last word here. No. No. Im like everybody else all around the world, sovereign wealth Pension Plans everybody in the Financial Services industry is waiting for adult supervision. We dont have it here yet. This is hurting new york, hurting the people of new york and hurting the american in brand. It is just horrific. Where are the adults . When are they coming well, i guess ill just say im the adult in the room and ill just say good night to both of you today for that very reason. I know you both have strong positions and strong viewpoints. Thank you for sharing. Im catherine run pal, kevin oleary thanks, laura and just in tonight, Donald Trumps former attorney, Michael Cohen and adult film star Stormy Daniels will each be allowed to testify at trumps upcoming new york criminal trial. But thats not all the judge is also rolling that hes going to allow testimony about the access Hollywood Tape. Remember that the keyword though about because the judge is saying playing the tape for jurors would be, quote, not necessary they probably already seen it. Im just saying i want to bring criminal defense lawyer, brandy hard and im not going to ask you about the economy in new york. Dont worry, but i will ask you about what you make the judges ruling. I mean, thinking about who will testify. Michael cohen, Stormy Daniels, the because Hollywood Tape being talked about. If you are trying to map out this case who are you most concerned about as defense probably Stormy Daniels she obviously is involved in this documentary. Theres going to be all kinds of information thats coming out before your prowl starts. And so if im the Defense Attorney, im certainly concerned and i think the lawyers have described as extremely prejudicial one week before trial to be having Stormy Daniels give all this information in this documentary . Why do you think the prosecution is even going to use theirs . They need to use her. I dont know that they need it, but i think it adds flare that i think honestly the prosecution wants. I mean, i think that they its a documents case. Theres not a whole lot to it. I mean, theres obviously Michael Cohen he obviously has problems sees agreed that hes lied under oath before. I think that they want to add the aspect of Stormy Daniels to corroborate, right . You talked about corroboration. I think that they need not just the testimony of what happened with the documents, but also corroboration. And i think that comes in the form of Stormy Daniels. Interesting, judge engoron, who who had the case were just talking about, did try to rehabilitate and sorts the credibility of Michael Cohen as the person who found credible in their same, this is a different matter entirely now at this point, its of that Documentary Thumb that she did though, i have to wonder, i mean, as as a prosecutor i think i wouldve been livid at this documentary coming out because i would have thought, well, hold on a month away from a trial. Now i got to add up what she may or may not have said in different instances, whether its a grand jury or witness interviews, or wherever it is against this. But as defense counsel, youre probably salivating well, absolutely. With regard to these inconsistent statements because theres going to be so much to work with as a Defense Attorney. But at the same time, but the prosecution and the defense just dont want this extra chatter, right . A lot of time, prosecutors say, look, its important to us to not have this conviction overturned. And when you have things that jurors can listen to, things that are on the outside that are not happening inside of the courtroom. It becomes a problem in terms as crossexamination. Its going to be a field day for those lawyers. Theyre going to have so much to work with because shes going to have have made so many statements outside of the courtroom. Thats true. And of course, you think about theres a human is aspect of it, but this may have human is for even more by having her ability to give her own narratives. They use she is but i tell you i wouldve been a little noise as the prosecution, i think depression if it was branding arden, whos when it gets there will be in the courtroom to eat them alive. Thank you so much, brandy. Higher solute. Well, donald Trump Defends his blood bath comment. He says it was about the Auto Industry but why does he keep using this kind of language and what his supporters here when he says bloodbath, Republican Former governor Christine Todd whitman, ways in next mora coats lie brought to you by Bristol Myers squibb hcm is a serious Heart Condition affecting as many as 1. 200 people. Like me and make it can impact how you feel and what you can do i still felt tired on my betablocker. So thats my cardiologist about Treatment Advances in hcm that gave me new options. It was a breakthrough for me that with big ferment, talk to your cardiologist today and visit hcm real taught. Com for more information one, reading seven, high severity yeah, thats not good. 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Well, now there is a big debate raging over what he meant, what he said, bloodbath and if his words were taken out of context, so let me get if you his original remarks were going to put a 100 tariff on every single car that comes across the line. And your dr. To be able to sell those guys. If i get elected now, if i dont get elected, its going to be a bloodbath for the whole thats gonna be the least of it. Its going to be a bloodbath for the country thatll be the least of it. Will, trump for his part claims that he was only only speaking about the countrys shrinking auto manufacturing business. Will 20 me now the former republican governor of new jersey, Christine Todd whitman, governor whitman, thank you so much for joining us today. You know, when you hear those comments and by the way its not the first time that weve heard trump use violent rhetoric and his rallies are intimating as such. Listen to this i am your retribution, i am your retribution. This is the final battle. They know it. I know. You know Everybody Knows that this is it. Either they win or we win. I think they feel this is the way theyre going to try and win. And thats not the way it goes out. It will be bedlam im in the country. Its a very bad thing. We will root out the communists, marxists, fascists, and the radical left thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country i mean, retribution bedlam, vermin, theres a lot to unpack there. What do you think hes trying to do when he is saying these statements . Hi, its doing two things. He is putting his base on notice that hes going to want some serious action if he doesnt win the election and believe me, we saw on january 6th, theyre prepared to listen to that clarion call and hes also threatening the people who are willing to stand up to him me, its just like the kind of thing you think putin. I mean, he one what, 89 of the vote, but that works really well when you arrest all your opponents or knock them off you know, its, its the same kind of thing. And i think we have to put that what he said. Sure. You can argue way and because he was speaking out at auto workers, thats fine. But his next sentence after those comments that you played was and theyll never be another election. So he clearly wasnt just talking about the auto workers. He he was deep into it and he was deep into the kind of threats that he uses to both excited space and two to scare people. And you see a lot of unfortunately, you see a lot of people resigning from office because they are afraid for their families, people not running for office because they dont want to put up with this. And they are fearful that theyre its going to be physical violence, not just threats, and its something that weve just never seen in this country before. And we need to take it curiously, governor whitman, you make a fine point, but typically on the idea, its the cumulative, i think people are not taking his statements in isolation. There is contact, theres also the collective memory of what he has said in the past and how people either believe in that and support it or do not. That is the way the inkblot of politics today. But the former president as you well know, he and others are saying that he was just talking as youve mentioned, about the Auto Industry and one person who also seem to back that up was the house speaker, mike johnson. Listen to what he said he was 100 correct. And i think what he was saying that the rally reflects what most of the American People understand and believe if these midgut misguided policies, the vitamin is duration are allowed ten, you not only will we see a bloodbath in the Auto Industry which we are seeing . We will see a bloodbath in our Energy Industry as well. And in all the other sectors of our economy too. I wonder when you have people on speaker johnson or other saying that its almost as if when people are calling attention to statements like this. It plays into the hands of a thought that hes a political martyr are being targeted. Do you feel that way i think thats true. I mean, unfortunately, we spent too much time reacting to what he says. And really what we need to do is step back and put this on the context of history. And what weve seen happen and the kind of laws that are being passed to disenfranchise people know the importance of the local elections coming up. Its not just the president ial we have, but we need to ensure that were letting people at the state, at the local level who will defend the rule of law after this election because no matter who wins, theyre going to be lawsuits and we need people in the offices who oversee Election Results to be the kind of people that we saw after 2020, who refused to be bullied, who refused to back down, and what pell the rule of law and the respect of the constitution. So people need to concentrate not just on the precedential and get all caught up. And does he mean it doesnt . I mean, it is it going to be a bloodbath because thats one side of it. But lets remember, there are hundreds of other offices up for election. And this year, and theyre important offices to our future, to our democracy by design, thinking about that, its always important looking down the ballot, remember that as well and its horses are you talking about Election Integrity and those who seek to protect it. First it tells cnn that former Trump Campaign chairman Paul Manafort is in discussions to help with trumps reelection bid. I mean, he was convicted, as you know, for financial crimes and serve lead two years in prison before being pardoned by trump. Hes also found at given internal polling data that someone with ties russian intelligence. This is all very concerning, thinking about what that bodes oh, yes. I mean, again, i keep saying the pupil look we saw in the notwe didnt see i wasnt around then im old, but not that old back in the 1930s, hitler wrote a book, coal mine cops, and he laid out everything he was gonna do i dont think donald trump could write a book, but hes telling us exactly what youre just going to do. He has said he would weaponize the justice department. He would go after all his enemies. He would make sure that anybody that disagreed with them felt the pressure of Law Enforcement felt the pressure of his retribution and we better not to dismiss that its real. He will do that hes the kind of person who does that. He is a very long memory for anybody that said things against him, for people who stand up to him. And hes got acolytes out there, people who will do whatever he says because they absolutely believe he is the martyr. I guess its the best way to see it. And youre not going to its hard to convince them. Otherwise, let me put it that way. But there are enough sensible people who need to stop for a moment and say, how much is our democracy worth to you . Is it really worth a Tax Deduction . Are you going to support somebody for this because theyre going to lower maybe your thats only in europe if youre in the upper economic brackets, by the way, is it worth getting that kind of a tax break to lose our democracy, to see our constitution be violated. I dont think so. If people will stop and think for a moment about what the real implications of this election are. Former governor Christine Todd whitman. Thank you so much for joining. I will say just strikes me as i realized the point you are referencing in terms of an undeniable following. But back to our earlier point, i do from time to time wonder, especially when there are comparisons drawn to mine comp and beyond whether that gives greater ammunition to those who will view your statements only through the lens of you attacking him and comparing him to hit to hitler and losing the forest through the trees. Do you have that concern . Yes. I think youre probably right, but im sorry. Thats the way i see it. So i have to call it, but thats why im involved with the Forward Party where were not focusing on the president ial at all. Were focusing just on state and local. And were getting candidates who have to sign a pledge that swears they will uphold the rule of law. They will respect the constitution, work with anyone to solve Problems Holmes that they will always have a civil discourse and then the states are going to decide and the candidates themselves, what are the issues that are more most important to that state and what can that candidate really support and good conscience, rather than having a party tell them what to do as a whole different approach and its a party and its reminding people that these local elections are the important ones were not playing in the president ial. All politics is local and its a republic if you can keep it, former governor whitman. Thank you very much for joining me tonight. I appreciate it. Thats a pleasure. To be with you. Up next. Its the latest free speech battle to make its way to the Supreme Court. Should the government be able to pressure social Media Companies to remove misinformation on their platforms. But that was a question before the court. See how they answered there is no media personality. 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The Court Hearing arguments in a case brought by two conservative states, arguing that the federal government ought not to be allowed to pressure social Media Companies to take down information. Ms information, i should be specific. Its a claim frequently made by conservatives who accused the administration of a, of a censorship campaign. But many of the justices, including at least two appointed by President Trump were skeptical. Dring way now a former law click. Were that to sort of thing in my or tiffany. Right. Thank you for joining me today. First of all, this is a really complex case, has a lot of nuances, but it comes down to whether the government, the white house, the administration can essentially pressure a company to take down what is misinformation they were skeptical about that today though. Why . I think there are two reasons why there were skeptical. Theyre skeptical because the claim that louisiana and missouri, were making is really quite broad so much that it is extreme. And so as an example, the argument that theyre pressing is that if the fbi were to reach out to x and say, we know that these accounts are being run by foreign Terrorist Organizations or foreign governments and we think that the information being perpetrated in on those accounts as dangerous for the following reasons. According to the state of louisiana. That is a level of pressure or encouragement that violates the first amendment. Because if the government, for influencing speech, and that is really extreme, when you think about the environment where you end, where the government has a lot of responsibility and true ied to rein in some of the disinformation that is being put out there by some of these accounts. And so i think its extreme and were also seeing some of the justices speak from their personal experience. Brett kavanaugh been from the white house counsels office, for example. And what way experience yeah. Hes asking questions that show he has a deep knowledge of how the white house works. So zero point, he says, well, what if somebody in the white house calls up the Washington Post and says, hey, you cant run that story because itll impact national security. And that comes from experience both he and elena kagan were in the white house counsels office. They know how this works. There is a real need for the government to be able to educate to be able to correct different disinformation, and to be able to get its message out and that is a distinction between them. When the government does that, when they act to restrict speech. And so thats the line that theyre trying to draw in this case. Well, some would say, well, how do you know as misinformation, maybe it just information its evolving. Obviously Media Companies in the 24 7 news cycle, what is known to be fact on tuesday may evolve beyond that on wednesday, youre a saturday thats the robins, some of this, right . Yeah. Thats absolutely right. And so thats why i think its important that the justices were sticking to this line of the government, being able to get its message out. But the government is not telling private parties what they can say. So for example, if they reach out to x about disinformation they will say we know that these 400 accounts are being run by the russian agency, whether its an Intelligence Agency or a media agency, do with that, what you will were not telling you you need to change our message. Were letting you know what the sources and so its still leaves plays for private parties to say what they need to say to draw their own conclusions. The question is really whether the government can at least inform those parties of what it knows as the government actor well, the way you phrase it like that, it makes all the sense that i still give you the opportunity to say what you want to do in your private business. But heres information kind of like what you do in the news. Its up to you to take what you want from what we have then an informed tiffany right. Is always great to have you on and your mind. Thank you. 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I philadelphia man is now free and completely exonerated after the Commonwealth Of Pennsylvania cleared him of a crime, he was convicted of back in 2013 it doesnt philadelphia agreeing to drop all charges against cj rise after he served more than 12 years behind bars for a 2011 shooting he had always maintained he did not commit. Cnns jake tapper has been falling this story and bring awareness to it for years. It was his father, dr. Theodora tapper or was racist pediatrician at the time of the shooting. And dr. Tapper testified that it was physically impossible for rice to have carried out the sheet and given that he was recovering from a separate shooting in dre himself, rice could barely walk at the time, much less run. No dna, no guns found, and no evidence tied rice, who was a timber 2011 shooting and wounding of four people Court Appointed attorney Sanjay Weaver took rices case on, and she did not provide them with an adequate defense. Now, weaver appears to have never visited the crime scene. Who obtained Location Data for rice itself on which would have shown that he was actually no where near the crime scene. The last fall, a federal court order that rice be released from custody and he was finally released from prison in december. Jake tapper joins me. Now, jake, ive been talking to you about this story since youre atlantic piece came out and it is just mindblowing to so many people about the connection. And your fathers role. And now a complete exoneration. But it speaks volumes about our legal system that wants to be a Justice System. Yeah. My dad always says is we dont have a Justice System. We have a legal system and you know this because of your former life as a prosecutor. But for me, this is my first real investigation, exploration of our criminal Justice System or legal system. And once you see it, you cant unsee it. I mean, we have a system made up of good men and women. I dont doubt who want to keep the streets safe, who want to be the last line of defense for the average citizen. But the Incentive Structure is for cops to make arrests for prosecutors to get convictions. Its not necessarily four established justice fine justice. And thats what happened to cj in this case. I mean, you could have easily heard about the story that oh, thats difficult or thats uncomfortable and turned a blind eye. Or you could have done what many people do, which is its just its so painful to think about. Therefore, ill turn away completely. Something about this case. Wanted you to lean in even more. Why . I mean, it was my dad, you know, in tappers tend to be like dogs with a bone, as you know, a little bit from knowing me and my dad even more so when this was one of his patients, he is a pediatrician and he saw cj shortly after he was shot and said, this kid cant walk much less run and he testified in his criminal case, saw that cjs attorney courtappointed Sanjay Weaver, who has since passed away was incompetent cj wrote to my dad in 2016. He was in prison and trying to get out and he asked my dad, can you go to Jefferson Hospital where cj had gone after he was shot and get the medical records because his Defense Attorney had never gotten the medical assemblies and so my dad got them, saw that a cjs pelvis had been shattered in the shooting, which he did not know when he testified b, the two of them just struck up a correspondence that meant a lot to both of them and my dad just became an advocate for him and i started hearing about the case and hearing about cj and cjs letters, my dad would scan them or Somebody Scan them for him probably. And he would send them to me and he he just believed the cj was innocent and did not get a fair trial. Eventually, i said, well, let me write a story about it. It took years and years of convincing him. Finally, he said, okay and i wrote the i started in 2020. I wrote the story was published in the atlantic in 2022 and here we are. Why do you need to be convinced . You would think youd want to have this story out there completely. It was he nervous about no. He had an attorney at the time and they were going through the Pennsylvania Process and the attorney at the time thought that any attention would be met with retribution retribution by the judges. I mean, one of the things that people who are prosecutors are no Defense Attorneys are too polite to say, are you fearful to say, is that the system as it is built, is judges are like Kings And Queens in robes. And you dont want to offend them. And if you offend them, they might just not hear or read the writ or the whatever you put in front of them, the appeal and its fascinating. Thank you. Know, we had this presumptive innocence but then once a jury convicts or a finding of guilt and youre supposed to go, okay. Fine. Youve gotten me never mind. And you never did that. In fact, he was always maintaining his innocence. He was always trying to get his name cleared. Ill be impressed and ill be angry on his behalf and others behind them, jake tapper. Thank you so much. Sure. Checkout more objects. Interview with cj is lawyers and jakes dad this sunday night, the whole story justice delayed the story of cj rice and airs at 08 00 p. M. Only on cnn now to this story, six middleschool students have been charged and a racial online bullying incident in massachusetts. The students from southlake Regional School allegedly held get this an online Mock Slave Auction were white students could bid on their black classmates according to the da, the students presented in hateful, racist conduct on social media platform snapchat several of those students were suspended, including two for 25 days, one for 45 days, while six of the students were charged with threats to commit a crime i see then reached out to the southwest Regional School and Southwick Tolan Granville School district for statements. We have not heard back yet. For joining me now is the mother of one of the victims, allison lopez, while with Bishop Talbot swan, president of the Greater Springfield end cp. Thank you so much. Both of you for being here. I just cannot believe that your daughter has had to experience this. I mean, its horrifying, its shocking for many reasons. Can you explain mallis and exactly what she has gone through now shes gone to a different level of trauma, right . When this incident first occur, i watched a immediately going to Trauma Response and today she still has that same State Of Mind its hard for her every day. Some days could be a little bit better dependent on if she has a friend and her class to really associated selfworth. But for the most part, its a hard thing, firm shes still struggling. That thats heartbreaking to think of what that experience is like to know that shes got to see if shes got a safe space per classroom new to know how her day is going to go. How did she even learn . How did you learn about this auction . I received a phone call from the school a couple of hours after she entered the school, she woke up the morning of february 9, the day after the chat happened and she woke up really hysterical, crying in this trauma like behavior and i couldnt understand what was going on at that point. She did not have the full indepth of what happened until she got to school when one of her friends told her what they heard about it. And at that point, she quickly went to the assistance Principal Office in shared what she was told. And thats when they started looking into the mat and i got a phone call to the school how do you feel that the school is supposed them . No, i dont think theres those who are supportive and i dont feel like that because this was not the first incident she experienced and shes been there. So the data this happened when i spoke to on the phone, she said to me, mom is not going to make a difference because theyd nothing the first few times when i shared my my experience with some derogatory remarks, i was made to water. No, the school did not support and she dont feel as though she was supported by the school i mean, just thinking about her having to deal with this in any capacity, let alone the age that she is. What was your reaction then allison, to the charges that were filed by the da oh, my goodness, the das vigorous investigation that he did. I was pleased. I was pleased or a certain level, but that quickly went away less than 24 hours later because less 24 was later is when the school, once again, had more the raga remarks written in the restrooms, bishops widely bring you in here because i understand you were critical of the way the school handled the investigation overall. Why . Well when you do an investigation, it seems to me that you would that you would interview the victim or the victims parents and then they quickly came to a conclusion that included the two suspensions you mentioned by two individuals, but for the most part, most of the students that were involved were back in school within 48 hours and then we find out later that one of the students is the child of a sitting School Committee member and so i think that the School District had a vested interests more so in protecting the reputation of the school, protecting the students that were involved protecting the children of School Committee members, then they were protecting the victims of these heinous acts you know, i was a kid who was bullied throughout Elementary School and theres always this tension because you wanted to ask for help. But you know that once the kids get in trouble, then youve got their friends and The Circle Of Friends who are now going to antagonize as as a result of what youve done and how hurtful that can really be. Im just so sad to know that shes had to experience this, but i am totally encouraged by how proactive allison you are as a mother to wrap your arms around her figuratively and literally in the community as well to support her bishop because its not right. Its not fair. And i hope that she sees these charges as someone taking what she is experiencing seriously allison lopez, bishops, halbert zhuan. Thank you both so much thank you very much well, thank you all for watching. Our coverage continues. 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