For being with us. Its time for anderson tonight on 360 braking news, new reaction from the former president after he said its practically impossible to secure the bond, nearly half 1 billion. He needs to deliver for seven days from now. Also tonight, the bloodbath he promised if hes not back in the white house and why the battle over what he was actually talking about at a rally over the weekend may have overshadowed but all the rest of what he said were keeping them honest and more Exclusive Reporting from haiti and how ordinary people there are taking Desperate Measures to try and stay safe from the growing violence. Good evening. We begin tonight with the former president , a selfproclaimed multibillionaire telling a new york courts ford, he cant secure the nearly half 1 billion bond in his civil fraud case in a court filing today, just a week from the deadline, his attorney wrote the amount of the judgment with interests exceeds 464 million, and very few Bonding Companies will consider a bond of anything approaching that magnitude 10 million of that 464 million is from the part of the judgment against eric and don junior. And just moments ago, their dad on his social network, the man who often boast about how liquid he is, rights, the Bonding Companies have never heard of such a bond of this size before, nor do they have the ability to pose such a bond even if they wanted to . Joining us. Now, trump biographer and Investigative Reporter david kate johnson, cnn senior legal analyst, elie honig, and cnns kara scannell. So more to the former president s attorneys say. So we learned in this that they had approached 30 different underwriters, people that would secure the bond and none of them were willing to do this, including some of the Biggest Insurance Companies in the world. No, trumps lawyer her say that some of the reason why they wouldnt do this is because they have their own internal limits not to secure a bond in excess of 100 million. Trump needs five times that amount. So that was one of the big issues, but they said with a major obstacle that they faced was that none of these insurers would accept real estate as collateral against the money that they wouldnt underwrite. So they said they wanted only cash or stocks, something that could quickly turn into cash. And trump doesnt have that on hand. They acknowledged that in this filing, and so they came to the judge saying they are unable to get this bond as part of their effort to try to either have the judge knocked down the size of the bond will tell them they dont have to post it and just kind of take them on faith that they can. The new York Attorney general for loves can take his assets once this Appeal Process is over. So really whats The Next Step . Well, either he posts the boundary, doesnt and its important to understand. He gets to appeal no matter what theres been, frankly, a little bit of misreporting that he cannot appeal until he post the bond. He can appeal. Thats a constitutional right that he has. But the difference is if he manages to somehow come up with the money or get a bunch on, then Letitia James, whos the plaintiff in this case, cannot try to seize his assets. In the meantime, while the appeals pending. But if he fails to post that bond, come monday, yes, he gets to appeal. But Letitia James is going to start seizing his assets now its not an immediate process is not going to turn trump tower into james tower immediately, but she can start the process to actually take control of and then liquidate, sell off some of those assets. But then who decides if they would lower the bond. So this is what trump is now asking the new York Appeals Court to do. He seven, that would be done before next monday. Hes saying i need you to do before next monday. And its worth noting, anderson, there are examples and trump cites some of these in his brief, where courts of appeals have substantially lowered bonds. Theres one example in the court had a 38 billion judgment lowered the bond to 1 billion theres another example where there was a 30 million bond that was lowered down to six figures. So courts of appeals will take big numbers down on the bond, but its up to the Court Of Appeals david i mean, what does all this indicate to you about the foreign presence, financial situation well, not all, certainly not worth the 10 billion that he claimed. And a bond is not the only solution for him here, anderson, he could borrow against some of his real estate. Heres the problem he faces if you have a mortgage on your home and you need some money, so you want to get a Home Equity Loan or second mortgage, you cant get it without the approval and permission of the First Mortgage holder and i suspect that trump has run into problems with First Mortgage holders saying, no, were not going to let you but any additional leans on these properties of years. Carroll, what would be The Next Step for the Attorney General . So i mean, they have put the posture this whole time that theyre going to be aggressive in this case, theyre going to move forward. So theres no sense that they would reach some kind of deal on their own. They have opposed any kind of Reduction Option in the bond and any delay in their posting of it. So i think we will see them begin to take the first steps to try to seize whether its specific properties, bank accounts, all of his assets, they do have a very good sense of this company having spent years investigating them. So i think well see them move pretty quickly out of the gate. Is it likely that an Appeals Court would knock down the i mean, you said there are other examples of them knocking down a bond, but if they were to do that, is it likely that would be done in the next seven days . Do they move that fast . It would have to be done in the next seven days because if not, then mondays monday is a strict deadline and the arguments that trump makes is he says he has likelihood of prevailing on the ultimate appeal. This is actually separate from the appeal of the case itself. He argues the award was excessive. They were defects in the actual ruling. And he says, i need this bond put on hold because if not, i will suffer irreparable financial damage. I will lose money that i can never make back, but yes, the Court Of Appeals is going to have to rule on this by monday. Yeah. I mean, david what l is referencing is the lawyers for trump are saying he shouldnt be forced to sell property to raise money because it would result in massive irrevocable losses. Textbook route irreparable injury in quote, given the judgment and the 91. 6 million bond that he posted for e. Jean carroll case, spending pending appeal hes also got the tens of millions dollars in legal bs fees, enlarged part to his pack. Where do you see the future of his personal fortune and business heading . Well clearly as elie points out, the court has a lot of discretion about what to do here. They could lower this, but he could also, by the way, just sit on it. Theres no requirement for this intermediate Court Of Appeals in new york to act on this. And trump doesnt have a right to appeal to the higher court that as he can ask, but the this court in new york can simply say we dont want to hear this but all this shows the trump is under tremendous financial pressure. And in every area of his life, i mean, one simple example, he had a party at maralago and you had to pay for your drinks . Thats just not usually the way you do things. Its with a fundraiser david cay johnston, elie honig, kara scannell. Thank you. The former president continued to complain about the upper after he warned at a rally over the weekend that there would be a bloodbath if hes not but elected. Quoting now from his social media posts today, the Fake News Media or excuse me, the fake news made a big deal out of the word bloodbath, knowing that it was about are shrinking auto manufacturing business. And the fact that they use the same name all the time. Now, before we go any further, heres what he actually said in context. Saturday in ohio were going to put a 100 tariff on every single car that comes across the line and youre not going to be able to sell those guys. If i get elected now, if i dont get elected, its going to be a bloodbath for the whole thats gonna be the least of it. Its going to be a bloodbath for the conscience so as you hear, he certainly did start off by talking about carmakers and apparently a bloodbath if hes not elected for the whole car industry, but he stopped himself and then elaborated saying, quote that would be the least of it, meaning the car industry then said its going to be a bloodbath for the country keeping them honest. The former president now backtracking and claiming he was just talking about cars. But in the same speech, he said that if he does not win in november, it might be the last election this country has and this is what trump does. We know this. He uses apocalyptic language and incendiary rhetoric, thin claims. Hes being misinterpreted. Its not anything new for the former president saskya, a fellow republican, said this about trumps speech the general tone of the speech is why is why Many Americans continue to wonder, should President Trump be president . That kind of rhetoric. Its always on the edge, maybe doesnt cross, maybe does depending upon your perspective thats Louisiana RepublicanSenate Bill Cassidy conceding a point about trumps events that many if not most, and his party gloss over now, trump said plenty of other stuff as well. Heres how the rally began. Please rise for the horribly and unfairly treated january 6, hostages those hostages, hes referring to, of course, are the jail january 6 rioters, four of whom the Washington Post identified as having been charged with assaulting police officers. Thats the former president s saluted over the weekend. People who stormed the capitol after another inflammatory speech of his, whom he prays with his very first words on saturday well, thank you very much. And you see this spirit from the hostages and thats what they are as hostages. Theyd been treated terribly and very unfairly. And, you know that and Everybody Knows that. And were gonna be working on that suit as the first day we get into office was going to save a country and were going to work with the people to treat those unbelievable patriots. And they were unbelievable patriots and our hostages and patriots. This is what he said about migrants young people that are in jail for years. If you call them people, i dont know if you call them people in some cases than not people in my opinion, but im not allowed to say that because the radical left says thats a terrible thing to say and before he was done, trump added in another thinly veiled threat we better straighten out our elections. We better get smart because the people of the country are not going to take it. Were not going to take it were not going to take it any longer. Perspective now from conservative attorney George Conway and former Capitol Police officer harry dunn, who we should mention is running in marylands third Congressional District as a democrat. George i mean, we i feel like we had this conversation and theyre not on this particular word before, but hearing him talk about a bloodbath for the country came to mind its classic donald trump. You, the context here isnt that he was talking about the auto industry. He was talking about the auto industry, but he uses this apocalyptic language, this violent language consistently almost on any topic and the reason fundamentally is true context and the true context is his state of mind. His mental is mental abilities, and his his personality disorders. He is a narcissistic, psychopathic. I mean, if you look at the definitions in the dsm5 the Diagnostic And Statistical Manual for mental disorders. He is clearly associate path and a psychopath. And that that connotes an individual has no conscience, no limit sees nope is a pathological liar as we see about his discussion of the january 6 and the socalled stolen election mean he cannot help himself. He does this stuff because he doesnt care about the consequences of because he catastrophize is everything in order to cause his, his cultic supporters to support him and to do his bidding and its just i think where weve been dancing around the main problem here. Its not his rhetoric. I mean, his rhetoric does cause problems, but the cause of his rhetoric is his fundamental mental instability. Officer done. I mean, you were firsthand witness to the attack on the capitol. You know what happened that day . When you hear the former prison United States calling these attackers hostages, what what do you think and its good to be witchy dot, good to see you. My friend. Im not surprised its more of the same thing that weve heard from him before. The rhetoric that he continued leading up to january 6 fight like hell, you wont have a country left. He said those things in the individuals that attacked the capital, my fellow officers and myself, that would those individuals parotid those same phrases while they were attacking us, while theyre marching through the halls of the capital. So they dont fall. Those those words, they dont fall upon deaf, deaf ears donald trump knows what hes doing when he says that, and he knows that his words have power and he knows that individuals will will follow what he says now with clear, he may have been talking about the auto industry, but who uses the term bloodbath . Talk about the auto industry, bloodbath as a violent term and ive only heard it used in one way. So even knew what he was doing and hes hoping that somehow secretly his followers are listening to what hes saying. Hes saying the quiet part out loud. Hes hoping that theyre reading between the lines to say if you know what . I mean, george, the form prayers also said if he loses the election, quote, i dont think youre going to have another election are certainly not an election thats meaningful. It seems like most people just shrug this stuff off at this point as o, thats just trumping trump you cant shrug it off. I mean, that is classic. I mean, what psychologists would call that, thats classic projection. He is stating what he intends and hes hes not well, he is not he is just not well. And thats the reason why he says all these things. No normal person would say these things in the problem we have is that people want to fit donald trump into a normal mode. It gives, it brings to mind, i think one of the failures of the media is that theyve tried to explain him in the way that you would explain a normal, healthy, or somewhat eccentrics human being. But he is completely off his rocker. It reminds me, for example, of when former head of this network, chris licked, met with donald trump before that cnn town hall and said, go out there and have fun. Thats not something you say to a sociopath. Thats not something you say to a psychopath. The problem we have with donald trump, and i think its going to be, i think the floodgates on this are going to open is that people have tried to know formalize him for too long. He is definitively manifestly unwell. He he is a sick person as the president. President biden says, hes a sick puppy and also officer, i mean, given the i mean, this is gonna be a Long Campaign and if this is the rhetoric at this stage of the campaign, i mean, do you talk to your colleagues, officer done about this type of language is our worry among from you or others that Something Like gender six would happen again but to go back to the point about Donald Trumps saying that if he doesnt win, theres going to know whether elections or anything like that. Id argue the opposite. I believe that if he does win, there would be no other elections. I mean, he said it himself that he wants to be a dictator. At what point do we stop . Talking about his rhetoric and on the surface level and actually take it for what it is hes proven to be a man of his word when it comes to threats like dead. So i think we have to the courts arent doing it. Congress isnt doing it, although that would argue thats why im running for congress to do something more than whats being done right now. But its up to the voters that are up to its up to us. We are the people thats going to hold donald trump accountable and responsible and to talk about january 6 happened again. The point of accountability is to deter things like this from happening again, open to this point. Yeah, theres people still that have been held accountable for their crimes. The foot soldiers, if you will but overall, were still litigating if the president can be held accountable for this three years later. Something is the Justice System is broken. People are being held accountable or everybody except for him. And we need to do it as americans its up to us to save it because its clear that the Supreme Court isnt going to do it. Were seeing in that the all these hiccups that jack smiths investigations are are common across. But its up to the American People and we need to do it at the ballot box, just like we did before we rejected them before, and weve got wed have to do it again harry dunn. Appreciate your time. George conway as well. Thank you. Coming up next Exclusive Reporting from the growing chaos in haiti. David culver, join live from portauprince of capital. He describes as postapocalyptic also, cnns jake tapper on the release of a wrongly convicted man