>> the places and the person who will likely decide the most consequential until election of our time. that's tonight on these lines good evening i'm abby phillip in new york and welcome to the official start of the general election is shaping up to be a rematch for the history books. in the red corner is donald trump twice impeached, indicted insurrectionist, depending on who you ask. and the blue corner, joe biden, older, unpopular and beset by questions about his ability to do the job for four more years but there is a third man in the ring to robert f. kennedy jr. more on him in a moment. but first, a reminder, this election will be close and it will be decided by a few thousand votes in roughly a handful of states. six to be exact. so here is where it could all come to a head. this november six states where let's face it, each ballot might make a bigger impact than in the rest of the country. nevada, arizona, georgia, michigan, pennsylvania, and wisconsin. these are the swinging list of swing-state it's the, are the very same states where biden flip the map in 2020 and it all starts with georgia, where biden was the first democrat to turn that state blue and 28 years and where activists are now warning that he's at risk of seeing his 11,000 vote margin disappear there's also nevada biden won their by 33,000 votes but trump consistently a polling favorite in 2024, arizona joe biden beat donald trump there by only 10,457 votes michigan buys margin of victory there, 154,000 bigger, but back in the primary, the uncommitted campaign caused some loud problems for him there. pennsylvania, another trump 2016 state that biden turned blue in 2020. and of course, wisconsin, where the president was just this week can where he hopes that his blue wall just doesn't crumble. but here is another factor in all of this whether or not this man makes in the ballot and six of those states that could decide who ends up sitting behind the resolute desk in january. robert f. kennedy jr. says that he is very close to pick a vice presidential running mate. and he might settle on aaron rodgers. that's the jets quarterback who believes in a lot of conspiracies conspiracies that include that vaccines don't work. or as cnn has reported this week, that the sandy hook shooting was an inside job that the victims families were crisis actors yeah, that is the same conspiracy that cost alex jones millions of dollars because it's a lie. it's defamatory rodgers responding to cnn saying that he doesn't believe in those things. not then. not now. and today, kennedy's campaign stated the truth. sandy hook was horrific they affirm that children did in fact die. but if that's the case, why even float rogers's name, here's what their candidate said. just last night about the man. he's considering putting a heartbeat away from the presidency >> aaron rodgers, battle tense, ed is he stood up. he has been hammered by the press stood up for things to be believed, and i liked that part of his character. he is a critical thinker >> a critical thinker. a critical thinker or just a conspiracy theorist like rfk junior himself? joining me now, howard dean, he's the former chairman of the democratic national committee. he also ran for the democratic nomination in 2004, governor de and thanks for joining us tonight. who do you think poses the most threat to joe biden in this election? is it? no labels or is it someone like rfk junior? >> i think it's no labels. no labels is basically a conglomeration of really big money. people like harlan crow, who came a lot of money to clarence thomas as well and a whole lot of dark money that nobody knows where it came from. and it's pretty clear that they're only intention is to disrupt the race in help trump. there's no i mean, they all this hocus pocus about we're going to have a third way in a third candidate and all this stuff, it's just not true. and it's a pretty ball place attempt by people who have a gazillion dollars to influence the race and get their person elected. >> but how mad here, i mean, they don't even have a candidate they don't even several of the potentially most damaging potential candidates to president biden have said, i don't want anything to do with it. so how could they have an impact if we don't even know who they couldn't put up well, first of all, they have so much money they can do anything they want. they can put up a frog and get some votes. in fact, that would probably be pepe the frog and they'd get a lot of votes. so those who deanna trump's hide but just most of the serious people have turned them down. joe manchin has turned them down. larry hogan turn them down they're not gonna get a serious politician because it's such you're not really a serious politician if you run for president united states and you get 2%, which is what they're going to get the problem is that 2% might come out of joe biden hide, and that would be enough to put trump into the white house >> so also, this week robert f. kennedy jr. he said, he's going to pick a vice presidential running mate. he needs it because it's an important part of the ballot access process. 2016 it's require a running mate. so when you see a shortlist that includes people like aaron rodgers, he shared sandy hook conspiracy theories, jesse ventura, he's a former wrestler, turned minnesota governor when you see that shortlist, what goes through your mind? >> look, i think bobby kennedy is a sad case and he used to do really good work. i actually went to an event of his about 25 years ago when he was running river keepers and it was terrific but something is derailed in him. i don't know what it is i, think it's very sad and i think his family thinks it's very sad and i wish he wouldn't do it for the sake of the kennedy name, kennedy families has been really quite terrific in terms of what they contributed to this country. but this lobbies really making it tough on the rest of the family. i think and all of these conspiracies it's going to take a lot to get voters to really key in on that. some of these polls are showing him in double digits, isn't every dollar that goes to an effort to tamp down on rfk jr. and your support, another dollar they can't actually be spent on the race at hand, which is joebiden against donald trump >> i don't think it's gonna be any limit to dollars spent in this race. trump has got a gazillion air in the country, apparently is now breathing heavily whenever trump walks around and and that's their candidate, is that gazillion error class and then biden is working people who are now raising a ton of money over the web from small donations. and that's the way it's going to be. i think body kennedy might do some damage with conspiracy theorists and they're going to vote for trump so i just wish he wouldn't run for his own sake and for the sake of this family. >> when it comes to this race, obviously, these elections, the presidential elections they're on a razor's add and it's going to come down to a handful of states and probably a few tens of thousands of voters. one of them is the state of michigan. just look at this quinnipiac paul that's out today that finds the state of the race looking like this. 41% trump. biden, let 36%, and all those other candidates, it adds up to 17% and it seems to be coming out of joe biden's bucket, or at least enough out of joe biden's bucket that it causes him to lose according to this poll right now to donald trump it's not just rfk junior, the jill stein's, the cornell west. all of this should this be making the biden campaign really nervous? >> well think it does. i mean jill stein cross hillary clinton, the presidency and electorate, donald trump but i'm sure she'd have no trouble with that. again, don't forget the famous picture with her having dinner with vladimir putin. apparently one of trump's favorites as well so you can't do much about that. >> i >> don't think many people who are going to vote democratic or in a vote for jill stein. i think she's a well-known quantity now, cornell west is a sad case. he's not going to do a lot of work. >> he >> could peel off some votes. but again, you have to think about whether these are protest votes that aren't going to vote at all if they don't vote for this he's candidates and it's just not clear yet. i don't believe that to the actual election were held today in michigan, i think biden would win clearly because donald trump is a disaster for the state of michigan and everybody knows that the dnc just this week also, you know, they made a couple of hires to try to deal with the third party factor here. if you ran the dnc had at one point, would you have done this earlier if it were you? >> well, we didn't have this problem. i when i was a d&c, i was the referee between barack obama and hillary clinton two very different problem. a very different problem? yes. >> so no, i think they're doing fine. i think they should do this and i don't i think we just get to panic inside the beltway as i always say, as middle school on steroids, smart people, hardworking people, but it's all about them all the time. i just would relax a little about these candidates. >> all right. howard dean, thank you very much as always for joining us tonight. >> thanks for having me on every slide, the only criminal trial of donald trump's that is all but guaranteed to actually happen before the election is now likely to be delayed when hatton da, alvin bragg says that he be willing to push this hush money trial a month to give trump's lawyers some more time to look at at the tens of thousands of documents that were just released in this case. but once again, trump's strategy of delay, delay, delay. it seems to be working just fine, joining me now, are jon sale and former assistant special watergate prosecutor. and former assistant attorney at sdn. why? made rocha also is with us former division chief at fdny and district attorney of westchester county, new york. mimi, this trial was supposed to be the one that was most likely to happen on a quicker timeline. how significant is this potential delay and what do you make of the fact that bragg is willing to give it to them? >> well, i think that da bragged had to agree to something when you have documents. however significant or insignificant they are being turned over to the defense, even if you believe that they are not core to the case. ace or material or whatever your position is as a prosecutor, you're going to say, of course, we're going to give time for you to go through these because otherwise, if there is when there's a trial and if there's a conviction that could be something that could could cause an issue on appeal if you don't, and it's the right thing to do to allow them to you have time to go over the documents. so i really think that nobody should read too much into da bragg agreeing to not the and of what trump was asking for it. they're giving a reasonable amount of delay in terms of how important it is. i think we don't know yet. >> we will know >> when the defense does have a chance to go through and see what's in the documents and it very likely could be that the trial could proceed after 30 days. or the defense could make arguments of why they need further delay, but that's taken >> they are asking john for 90 days or to dismiss the case entirely. they would love for this case to just go away how likely how quickly do you think the judge has to decide the case was supposed to start two weeks from now, while the case is not going to be dismissed. but i had occasion on friday at the aba meeting in san francisco to give a talk on, i called donald trump and existential threat to the rule of law and to mark or c, democracy, notwithstanding that being said, he's entitled to the very constitution that he wants to suspend on day one. he's entitled to for those protections. one of them has the effect of assistance of counsel. we don't know what's in those documents. i presume they relate to michael cohen, who it could be have what we lawyers call brady material exculpatory. it certainly is going to deal with information that they can use to cross-examine him so they have a right to confront witnesses against them. and i think whether or not that delay is a reasonable 30 days, 60 days, 90 days depends upon those documents. and i think they said there are more coming. so i think the judges is going to be a fair referee and it's going to give the appropriate amount of time that's necessary so that donald trump, like everyone else, will get get a fair trial. >> yeah. i mean, a reality check that could be me. the delay could happen and it could be perhaps longer than 30 days down in florida. judge cannon, who's ever seen the documents case, she pretty quickly dismissed one of the arguments at the trump campaign was making that he was charged under a law that was too vague. but on the second issue of the presidential records act, she still has to decide where she stands on that. they want the case thrown out based on this idea that trump could have held onto these documents because of the presidential records act. that's a pretty significant ruling that she needs to make thank here it is, but i think she's expressed skepticism about that as well. that issue and seems to be >> i mean, it's reading tea leaves we'll see when she whirls on it, but she seems to be saying that's an argument for you to make to the jury, which is what she said with respect to the first argument as well. >> and we'll >> see what she rolls, but if if if she goes the pattern of what she did with the first issue her skepticism that she's expressed might indicate that she will not grant that motion. >> john, what do you make of how judge cannon is handled? >> this >> case so far there have been a lot of questions about whether she has the ability to be fair here. she'll says to decide when this case is going to happen, what do you make a volatile alma florida lawyer? >> and i think that what's going to save our republic against donald trump or the courts. and i think that it's very dangerous when we jump all over, judge cannon. i still believe she's going to do the right thing. i don't care who appointed or we talk about she's an experienced you don't want assigned cases to judges according to their experience. i think she's going to rule. she's going to deny the motion to dismiss, but she's going to say that it's a factual question, meaning, if trump wants to testify and say, hey, i believed i could do this, he can't say what the law is. he can't say the presidential records act provides that's a legal question. but if he wants to testify to that as to his intent is state of mind. i think it becomes a jury question. >> yeah. look, i mean, that's very questionable based on people who look at that records act and say that's not really what it's meant to say, but we'll it's a post-watergate stack >> the jury just >> wrong in that regard, the records it's belong to the people. and when president obama left office about 3 million documents were turned over. the national archives immediately and put it in a scif and it's the way it's supposed to be, supposed to be. he can sell mimi rocha. thank you both very much. >> thank you. >> and a standard tonight in the senate as the top democrat is now calling on israel to oust benjamin netanyahu now who freed zakaria will join me on the backlash plus do trump's legal issues disqualify him from a national security briefing that all presidential candidates get. i'll discuss that with someone who says that it should and as the conspiracy is run rampant over the drama involving kate middleton will compare the coverage of her two meghan markle this is news cnn news night with abby >> phillip, brought to you by chase freedom unlimited how do you cash back >> you now have your cashback and you could earn on everything which is one car chase freedom unlimited. so you're off the rockin or grab bracket. your cash back in cash back on blackjack baby back for tacos at the taco shack. >> i'm working now my six pack switch to a king suite. silent silent retreat >> answers this >> where kids all right. now, madison, lemon tree, cash back on every day you bought would chase freedom on limited with no annual got a you cash jase make more of a job >> why did we choose save play? 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how important is this for the us israeli relationship >> i think it's a watershed senator schumer is not somebody who is likely to freelance. as you point out here is the most senior jewish-american official in the united states. she's also very close to president biden and to biden's team. i suspect that this was that there was some consultation here and what it reflects, i think is a very deep frustration the biden administration has had with the netanyahu government. they have provided really unqualified support of a scale that is unprecedented in israel. joe biden is wildly popular. for the extraordinary and unqualified support he gave >> but in >> return, he has tried to counsel the netanyahu government to be proportionate not to launch a major ground invasion, not the level 50% of the buildings in gaza, not to do in the south, what they did in the north. >> and at every turn, the >> netanyahu government has defied and disagreed and gone on and done whatever it wanted. so i, think this comes after a very long period, months of the biden administration patiently and quietly counseling the israeli government to take a different course and recognize that there are being an enormous price internationally and the united states is paying an enormous price because as idf generals point doubt repeatedly without american support, none of these operations would be possible. and so it is, i think at this may be the straw that broke the camel's back as it more, but it comes after months of frustration i wonder what the import of it is at the end of the day. i mean, as you pointed out, letting out who has basically been ignoring the biden administration on all of their lines drawn in the sand on all of the things that they put on the table and said, do not do this what are they going to do now >> let's look very good question there. they don't have those many choices. the this is after all, a senator who is expressing an opinion and he is not calling us. some people have said for the overthrow of the regime or anything like that. he is simply saying, israel faces a completely new security situation and they should have new elections that his opinion, he is not the administration is the legislative branch >> and >> at this point, the administration has to ask, is it going to do something? what could it do? preston biden could make a speech in which he focuses on israeli policies and where they should go and whether they're going wrong. >> the >> united states has vetoed almost every call for a ceasefire and the united nations it's been often the loan vote supporting israel. >> it could change that. it could also condition the aid that it gives the military aid and say these weapons cannot be used. for example, in any, any further offensive such as an invasion of rafah so it does have various tools that it has. and i think this was a way of trying to signal their displeasure without the plea administration formally escalating along the lines i was describing a warning of sorts, perhaps. i wonder though. i mean, look the the fate of netanyahu when this war and it seems based on polling inside of israel, he would not remain in power so what happens next? is there any coalition government that you see in the waiting in the wings that is capable of bringing this war to an end and moving israel and gaza and the west bank into a future that actually leads to peace >> oh, absolutely. israel has many very seasoned political leaders who have views different from netanyahu. many of them have served in the military and senior positions, which bibi netanyahu has not know israel. it's full of political talent. >> the question is as you say, right now, there is as far as we can tell from the falling, a deep dissatisfaction with prime minister netanyahu. i think that some polls i've seen up just 70% of the people think he should, he should not be prime minister after the war is over. and in a way, schumer was reflecting that feeling there is, there are certain only people in israel who believed that they can, they can find a more lasting way to achieve security for israel. >> then a kind of endless and intense ground operation that levels more and more of gaza, more and more civilian casualties. >> so there are people out there saying that for sure. >> yeah. all right. fareed zakaria thank you very much for staying up for us tonight >> pleasure. >> and you can catch gps on sunday, at 10:00 a.m. eastern time and i'm taxed. he is the republican party's nominee. but should donald trump actually receive security briefings? 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this point, and really would it make any difference in the general kind of hurricane of noise? that surrounds the biden administration that comes from from the republican sen. from the right-wing media ecosystem. you're absolutely right. that if he were a federal employee, he wouldn't be allowed anywhere near classified information. and i think i have some standing to say that because for over 25 years, i was a federal employee with the defense department, holding a security clearance. and every year we had to sit through briefings about insider threats and the people among us who might be dangerous national security. and every year, i know i wasn't alone sitting there and saying why i can think of one insider threat who's sitting right at the top of this ladder? so i think the republican criticisms, of this are just not to be taken >> you do make an interesting point here it's about trump's debts, his finances. he owes half $1 billion in court judgments at this point, you've done people who had their security clearances, yay because of all kinds of other financial troubles, credit score, because that big credit card bill. yeah. yeah >> there are so many red flags. if trump were just an ordinary american citizen applying for access to classified information, which by the way is a privilege for federal workers, not a right >> all of these flags would go up debt, foreign entanglements, deceptiveness lying. i mean, there are just so many things that would ping concerns about him that i think there's no no point in risking any of that before the moment that we have to i'll add one other thing, donald trump doesn't care about briefings. he doesn't listen to them. he doesn't pay attention to them. >> so it's not like anything will be lost by not giving him briefings that he won't pay attention to and that he won't understand anyway. and it's better, i think to just wall off that possible problem until the very last moment. >> that's really interesting. these are the kinds of things we've got to think through as a country in these unprecedented times, tom nichols, thank you very much. >> thank you >> a lot, blacks. kamala harris becoming the first sitting vice president or president to visit an abortion clinic. i'll speak with a dr. who she met with their plus as the mystery over kate middleton deepens, will examine the coverage of her drama versus meghan markle standby when you saw this guilty plea, were you surprised? 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>> so it was incredible meeting vice president harris today and having a historic moment in minnesota where she came to speak to all of us and our staff about what's happening across the country when it comes to abortion access in what she talked to us primarily about was that this is a really critical moment in our history because reproductive rights and bodily autonomy, are something that we should care deeply about in this country. she reminded us that she and president biden care deeply about this, and that this is something that they're going to champion he mentioned to the vice president today that patients and healthcare providers are severe at severe risk can you just explain to us what that looks like for you today in 2024? >> so one of the things that i see on a regular basis is that patients are really having to have to uproot their lives in order to access health care. when we have someone who is 800 miles away from the nearest abortion clinic or have to drive i've through precarious has blizzard situations that for patients is a lot of upheaval. there's a lot of logistical challenges for them getting to the clinic. it costs a lot of money. they have to find childcare, they have to leave their jobs and might not get paid for that that time that there are way and for health care providers in particular, we often find ourselves in conflicts with laws. if we're practicing and states where abortion is illegal, we find ourselves having to debate whether or not we would provide adequate medical care. that is ethical and necessary versus being in conflict with the law and getting our license revoked or even being charged with a felony you've been working in this field for a long time? 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but now they want her to use her voice to defend kate or to say something. i mean, if she does dance, if she doesn't, i think the idea is just that if you can get meghan's name into a headline like you're guaranteeing clicks. and so i feel like you've been seeing a lot of british tabloids. they don't want meghan to speak, but they do want to be able to use your name and so that's one of the things. the first thing that happened in a couple of days of shock and then you started seeing tabloids bring up the picture of that they claimed was manipulated, that meghan and harry did to the point where the photographer must on herrmann share the original image and was like, nope, there was no manipulation. all i did was put a black and white filter on it and there's a sense in which even if they even if the brothers weren't fighting, there, i think that there's the people would still want to feel that rift because that's just like it's what we will follow the rules far yeah. i mean, it does seem like there's all this like upside for the tabloids and just talking about meghan markle. but today as she released this new instagram account for her upcoming lifestyle business, these were the headlines that we're showing up on the tabloids. really slamming her yet again it almost seems like they can't quit the hate, the vitriol when it comes to her, it's interesting because i think that she has done something that is so bold and you correct me if i'm wrong because you have understood this family in a way i applaud her for deciding that this isn't the life i'm going to live also for harry as well, saying, i i agree with you. let's let's lose united states start our new lives to start something that makes us feel good about what we're doing. and then there is this, these the silent rumors or words of xi should be supporting kate during this and to your point where are you silent a real silenced and she's like, we are out of this. we have nothing to do with this. and it really disturbs me because it goes to this, this idea that this woman should speak up and save someone. and i think if she wasn't black, we would be having that conversation. there's this like we're holding you to a different standard. you were holding you to some different type of accountability and i don't feel like that is fair. and i think that the way she's handling herself saying we're not in this, that is your drama. you fix that is fair. and there's a humanity through all of this that we're not even addressing at all. >> yeah. i mean, erin, look, what carries talking about it's not it's not just talk a look at these headlines. this is just one example. the telegraph in on march 11th, the shameful speculation about princess of wales has to stop the timer says, megan is trying to smash the royal families contract with the public they pose we may they pose? there is actually a huge list of these headlines comparing how these two have been covered but now it seems like that double-standard is there for the world to see even if you wanted to deny it? >> yeah. i mean, i think that's the thing is that it's it is. so i think there's a way in which kate is getting the normal treatment that you would expect if somebody who's going to be the future queen. sure. we're also used to seeing megan get this kind of treatment that was just so different that i think that americans are feeling shocked by looking at the way the kd is getting treated right now because it is the british press is being a lot more deferential. whereas if this were megan, we were used to them becoming and what's happening in the uk. i mean, do you ever any >> sense of how this is all being interpreted there? >> i mean, once again, like the i think the picture really changed a lot. i think that there had been a sense that the papers were not reporting on too much speculation but even british, british papers did not publish the picture of the paparazzi picture of kate and her mother from last week that out of respect for kids privacy and there's a sense in which, you know, because william has been out, the king has been doing his, he's been doing content, creating videos and sharing images and sending message so dress that kate was allowed to have a little bit of this privacy that of course, like when megan was give birth to archie in 2019, i was headline that you are seeing that she wasn't letting everybody into every event though she was scheduling her own events where she could be like, why are we not allowing her to have the privacy? i thought in fact, they said she would come back after easter, which is march 31st. we still have time. and why does it matter? is it because of the photo, i feel like it's unfair that we're not allowing her to have this time to recover from whatever she's recovering from. and here we are across the pond deciding whether or not this is real or not. >> i mean, it as aaron pointed out, the picture israeli ange, a lot for people to put that out. i mean, but do we really think that she was at home like let me just put the paris filter is doing really exciting. that's just not at all. >> feizi avid dog refers. >> done this. i i would i would be shocked. i would be shocked as be shocked. >> shocked if if somebody else at the palace got away with that job like that would be really shocked if so, if anybody else was like, oh yeah, he's at home. >> let me fix my zipper. i don't like the way this is. looks over here. like if i just want to ask about megan and the timing of this, i mean, she has stayed off of social media. she talks a lot about how she's not comfortable with how social media exacerbates factly, but she chose this moment, perhaps the most toxic moment for the royal family to put this out there. yeah, that mean i think i think that she has said in so many ways, i do not care about what your rules are i live by my own rules. i also know that she was at south by southwest last week, that she has been making these plans. i think have dealt by self-worth is not something you decide to do at the last minute bag apparent it was a big appearance. i think that she had been waiting for this moment. it just so happens that photo i mean, it's a cool wink ed, but it just so happens. this photo comes out just four days ago while she had all this plan, i think megan is like i'm doing what i want to do. you will not tell me what to do. this is ridiculous. it doesn't make sense. i will not adhere to your rules. i don't feel as if she's trying to take anything from this moment. it just so happens that it fell out that way. i do believe though. i mean, you just said what i said. do we really honestly believe and you it sounds like you think kate is at home fixing zippers. i just don't feel like she's doing eight is entitled. she could do what she wants. >> she's probably entitled to privacy. meghan's entitled to be left out of it. >> to be. left out of it >> thank you very much. both of you. >> before we go tonight on this day in history, 20 years ago, a 51 year-old vladimir putin won his second term as president of russia the only real