products we also make proactive urinary tract health product. you korea is a life stage right today at your core.com >> i know some of you out there might be worried about tiktok the plot. i'm watching is the one in fulton county. if fani willis in or out. and when are we going to know tonight alarm codes live? >> so it's. almost two weeks of the very day when the fulton county judge, scott mcafee said that he would ellis his decision. what decision, whether fani willis should be disqualified or not from met huge rico and election subversion trial against trump and his co-defendants. and the judge telling cnn quote, i plan to stick to my timeline. all right. well, tiktok, we need to know because when it's going to happen, is consequential today when there were rumblings from the courthouse, we all jumping in that today was day. we would actually know, but in a surprise move, judge mcafee, throughout six charges in the 41 count indictment, all having to do with allegedly soliciting officials to violate their oath of office including three that charges that mentioned trump specifically saying, quote as written these six counts contain all the essential elements of the crimes, but fail to allege sufficient detail regarding the nature of their commission. i ii, the underlying felony solicited. now, lawyers always i mean, we over-complicate everything. do we not let me translate? that for you for a second. he's just saying that prosecutors were not specific enough. you're telling them what they were trying to get people to do something divided the constitution which part of the constitution? how would they violating it? >> they need to >> know to prepare their defense if they don't know, they might overprepare and ms some key things or they could ms the one thing they need to know to defend themselves. and the stakes are too high for all of that. and the judge called that a fatal flaw. now, let's take a trip down memory lane for it. for a second because one of those counts count 28 relates to this infamous phone call, the one that then president tried to get the georgia secretary of state, brad raffensberger to find him. say it with me now 11,780 votes so let i want to do is this. i just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more that we have because we won the state >> okay. that part that's still in the indictment. >> now, what's interesting is that after months of follow along on the drama of the disqualification trial, and i have been watching all of it we're finally getting to the meat of the matter. the actual allegations in the indictment so now what we know the judge, things that they can proceed on their charges who's actually going to try the case? i know how the case can be prosecuted. right. but who or prosecuted? >> my husband always has the saying. he always says to me, if not now, when well, when it comes to this, if not her, who because whoever gets next, if it's not her and her team, don't require to do what she or the grand jury wanted done. the whole thing, not just the six counts, could actually go away if her remember and her team are disqualified and democracy aside, passing it on, the migraine is real during one asking opinion contributor, excuse me, and former house republican investigative committee counsel, sophia nelson and white and federal criminal defense attorney rebecca la grande, who never over-complicate anything. so i'm so glad the two of you are here right now. first of all, guys this is a decisive issue. >> they did not >> specify enough this is coming on a long line of other matters and disqualification. what's your reaction? this is actually happening now. >> yeah. i think judge mcafee is order today was actually thoughtful and you just showed a good judge doing his work. he showed that he takes the defendant's rights seriously. he takes their arguments seriously. he takes the law seriously, but but this was not a big win for the defendants, nor was it an embarrassing mistake in my opinion, for the prosecutors, this happens and the judge was pretty clear about that. there are plenty of facts in this indictment, plenty to support the rico charge, which is the biggest charge there. but for this specific solicitation of violating an oath charge, the judge said, look, i've looked at this, and even under federal law, under federal law, you could fix this with a much more easy step under georgia law. i think you need to add more specifics here. so those counts for now are gone, but it's only six counts. and there are multiple ways that those can be brought back if they matter, they could curate. >> but the issue of course, and many look this >> issue about his qualifications, sophia as a way to try to undermine the credibility of the prosecution team whether it's about competency or conflicts of interests, is this part of that >> respectfully, they undermine their own credibility and i'm talking about fani willis and her team, and i'm a fan of hers. i thought that was incredibly brave of her to do what she did to bring these charges but i've been stun law at the lack of awareness that you were going after donald trump and he plays by different set of rules. and if you thought they weren't going to check into your life and dig around and make this messy. they were naive and i think the judge, to your point, was very careful, meticulous. i watched the trial. the judge is very thoughtful methodical guy. he knows the stakes here. i don't think he's going to disqualify her. i will be shocked if he does it because i don't think the defense met their burden of proof, and i think he's giving you a window by saying, i don't like messy stuff yeah, you can get a do over here audience. she can actually just bring the indictment again, correct. if she's still there, they can refile those six counts as my point. but i think the bigger issue is judges giving you some insight into i don't like mess. i like it clean. if you're going to make an allegation, back it up. tell me how it's rooted in law. and i think that's going to also apply to the charges that the defendants brought, that she is somehow as a conflict. >> well, but what i thought what i'm looking for in particular baca is, is it an actual conflict or the appearance? now we all know as lawyers, you're governed by that hint of impropriety. a judge often has to recuse based on the hint two of impropriety, meaning maybe doesn't pass the smell test. i don't care if it really is rotten but when it comes to this, it didn't seem to be so clear in the case law that it was either an appearance or both. and are either or is it possible though he could actually disqualify based on the appearance of this law says i think i don't think so. the law says it has to be an actual conflict. it can't just be the appearance that's georgia. so i don't know if there's a federal statute that's a company wouldn't it wouldn't apply here anyway, but that's that's correct. or hurricane ian actually oh, conflict here and there's a reason for that >> we've, we've gone pretty far down the road here. this has to be an actual conflict that actually matters. >> so >> obviously, yes, the defendants were gonna go fishing for whatever they could find and they found something here. but did they find something that has in any way undermines the defendant's rights to a fair trial. and i don't think they are ability to even get a fair trial right now. i don't say i don't think they did, and i think the judge is going to we don't know. it was like it was like a soap opera please i go for like a detour and it was like, hey, something at the end right now, i can put what >> anyway, i'm not going date myself either. that's right. >> baby, i'm to remember bring when bobby ewing turned around the shower and i was like, you dye it and go do dies. okay. never mind >> prosecutors. >> he's like, look, my family law lawyers are allowed to have relationships with each other, they have not fundamentally. >> well, if la lie the standard shot out to blair underway and saying that right now. so let's say in all this kid, this could go a very different pat. >> i'm here for >> his rabbit hole any day of the week, but let me just focus for a second on the credibility factor here, because you mentioned this and i think we all know that the real elephant in the room, of course, is the prospect of the credibility issue, right? whether they were honest on the stand, whether they were honest in their testimony, not because they necessarily didn't meet their burden, which i think they failed in its word of that. how a jury pool might view it? yeah. we talked about that on our way in that i think the problem is the taint to any it just takes one to say, you know this lady and her whole crew look, they couldn't even bring the right charges on '60s counts. they were sleeping around, taken trips share in cash. >> it's a mass i am not that worried about the jury here though. i got to tell you because first of all, these are issues that the jury's not supposed to consider. and as a defense attorney, i don't really necessarily believe that, but they'll be instructed that none of this matters. and the courts assume that jurors will follow that instruction moreover, i don't have that much faith in human beings anymore. >> but it's a juror >> of people from atlanta who elected da willis and who i think are going to hear a lot evidence about what the defendants did. and i think that will be the focus when the trial happens. it's not going to be about da willis won't even be trying so in a probably a couple of days, i would imagine it's, you know, soon where he tells us, well know, we're supposed to know brian where the eye by friday, right? it's why i'm like tiktok. i mean, i'm nosy, but also a lot on the line for all of them. speaking of being of course elected. thank you. so phi i thank you, rebecca so much. the big question will she or won't to be as qualified from prosecuting this beeping election interference case in georgia. well, that's one battle. but as rebecca mentioned, this is an elected official and elections are upcoming as they say, and she is facing challenger is now at the ballot box joining me now, one of those challengers, former fulton county prosecutor, christian wise smith, has a challenge. da phyllis in the may democratic primary elections. this is coming pretty quickly for everyone, christian, thank you for joining us based on what you heard presented in court. i wonder what your take and of course, i'm sure knowing that you would like to be in the role she is in maybe not trying this case, but as the da fulton county you might be perceived as bias in your answer, but i'll ask anyway, should she be disqualified from this case >> well, to not give a bias answer, and i'll just say that this whole situation is very unfortunate has become very political on both sides. and ultimately, i'm here because i want was best for the citizens of force and county while we're protecting keep the citizens of fourth and counties safe, and we'll know that once judge mcafee make his decision on how things will look going forward you previously ran against da willis back in 2020. i believe you did end up losing that primary, but now you have filed the challenger in may. tell me about the timeline of your thought process as to why was it because of this particular action or had you decided long ago? >> well i don't. make this decision lightly, and ultimately, it came down to what was best what it says. a fourth and county and you're right around four years ago. but i'm uniquely positioned to take over this office because of my background, i grew up in a justice system i grew up seeing my mother and my grandmother arrested and then out of the system i have several family members and friends that i've seen across the rate it and my mom lost custody of me growing up. i was kicked out of high school and there i never thought that our friend, his high school, let alone will be coming. attorney and be in a position where i'm talking to somebody like you. so i know what was going through the system. are experiencing. and i think that my new, innovative and fresh ideas can help. fourths and county citizens ultimately be saved. that's what this is about. and i'll make a decision. after judge mcafee makes his decision on whether or not to fully go forward >> well, thank you for telling us about your personal journey. i think it is very illuminating and it is completely inspiring for so many people christian to hear about why you have gotten chosen the path you have. and i thank you for being so personal this evening the personal aspects of de a. willis is life have been on full display as you can imagine, that's part of the reason why there's been this trial. it's really the entirety and may respect to that reason. it's a very high-profile case. if the office is just qualified, would have to go to a different body, not even in the office. are you surprised that they would have taken such a risk like this to have a relationship with the lead prosecutor of the case? >> well, god and jumping his rice to throw any personal attacks or da willis and i'll just say it's very unfortunate that her personal life has become so public. and i feel for her and that sense and i'm not going to make any comments on what her personal life is my my position being here today is all about the job and it's all about the citizens of fulton county. it's all about atlanta influencing everything from hip hop culture and music and tv and film. and now there may be an opportunity for us to influence the criminal justice system, not only enforcement county, but throughout the south. so that's why i'm here i'll let you guys talk about her personal life. >> well, rachel did say that georgia is on our minds. well, that wasn't exactly. it's phrased as how my paraphrase it tonight, christian wise mid before that you go though let's say this case does not stay with this da's office is the case that you would pursue >> we all saw what happened. well, we heard the phone call. we saw what happened on january 6, 2021. you know, clearly there's enough here to say, you know, something was done wrong is definitely worth investigating and looking into. and said, i'll become the next da affords and county and should the case still be in the office? when i'm there, then we'll definitely look for know how to handle the best. >> well, a grand jury has already given some instructions. i wonder if you will follow them christian wise smith. thank you so much for joining us today. >> i thank you, robin >> next, what you may not know about the man at the top of that shortlist for rfk junior is running mates how new york jets quarterback and potential vice presidential candidate, aaron rodgers has shared some pretty wild and unfounded theory is about the 2012 sandy hook elementary school shooting. in private conversations >> erin burnett outfront 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that had been disproven rodgers falsely claimed to brown that there were men in black in the woods by the school and asked if she thought that was odd >> cnn has also >> spoken to another source who would like to remain anonymous in order to avoid harassment. they had a similar encounter with aaron rodgers this person said rodgers claimed that quote, sandy hook never happened. >> all >> those children never existed >> they were >> all actors. >> now, >> rodgers declined cnn's requests for comment. here with me now, former senior adviser for the biden 2020 campaign, alencia johnson also cnn political commentator, republican strategist alice stewart. i had to tell you anytime there is a mention of sandy hook as a mommy, i just i remember my son had just been born my oldest and just how horrific it was and traumatizing for a new mother for a human being, for the entire nation, let alone the family please, of those effected alice, when you hear this narrative that seems to keep popping up. >> typically in >> political spaces, it's beyond the sandy hook. >> tragedy was >> gut-wrenching for all of us and it's almost like it was yesterday. and i think of many presidential moments throughout our lifetime of present. one of the most compelling presidential moments was when president obama was speaking about that in the briefing room. fighting back tears, choking up as he was talking about these children. it's devastating, tragic tragedy, and we're still coming to terms with this. but to say this was some kind of inside job and was not real is disgusting and it shouldn't happen in, it's beyond it's fiercely theory. it is an outright lie and it's an insult to the families involved. and i think for aaron rodgers or anyone to claim this didn't happen it's disgusting and insulting. and so i think promoting that theory and that line of conspiracy we shouldn't have any part of it. >> i'm curious as to why he hasn't come out very vocally to say, no, that's not what i said or this did not happen the way it's being relayed. i was expecting that to happen. obviously, it's his right to either comment or not and on his own schedule, but it is running given his name is being thrown around right now. as a potential vp pick. >> yeah. i mean, i have to think about who exactly is he trying to appeal to? right? who is rfk trying to appeal to their is that's the question faction of i'll be honest, the republican party that believes in a lot of these conspiracy theories that listens to the joe rogan's of the world. joe rogan's of the world, who tout these types of conspiracies. and it's interesting because 30 candidates, as we know, aren't helpful to democrats. but the path that rfk has going down with an aaron rodgers seems to appeal to a segment of the republican party base. and i'm also frustrated and troubled. i actually agree with you on the troubling comments from raj rates >> i actually agree i do agree with you, allison, i don't always agree on a lot of things, but i agree with you on how sick and violet >> is for him to spout these conspiracy theories. i'm frustrated because at a time we know that gun violence is the leading killer of children in this country, right? well, we should be having conversations around gun control. here's someone who was potentially a running mate, which that in itself, i can't take too seriously but as a potential running mate that is talking about these conspiracy theories and minimizing the impact that this is having on families every day in this country he's but one of the names mentioned, another person is jesse, the body ventura, who i'm from minnesota. he was the governor and people can look down the nose for only so long until all of a sudden you're governor and you've got people like tulsi gabbard on this list, excuse me, senator rand paul possibly andrew yang. now, we don't know the extent of these conversations they're happening or who's taking it seriously as the recipient of a request. but i'd say about the polling here, he is consistently polling at 15% nationally. he is not going to be able to get a majority, obviously, when the presidency on that alone, but do you think he presents a threat for either candidate in this rematch? biden or trump. >> he certainly does. and look, those numbers are consistent across the board. that's not a snapshot in time that as a trend. and this is in the key battleground states he's also pulling very well. look, if i were to be a betting woman will come back at the end of the month. my money would be on someone more like tulsi gabbard, who was a lot less toxic and polarizing. and many regards, look, i attended one of rfk junior is events like i did a magazine article on him his crowd is across the board, black, white, young, old republican, democrat. he is going to pull from both sides and the issues that he focuses on that he's talked about, that he's pushed, promoting, talks a lot about homelessness. he talks about restoring the middle-class. he talks about ending chronic disease. he talks about unraveling the war machine and getting corporate corporations out of government. those are issues that resonate with a lot of people. and he is out there making his case day after day and i'll tell you what this aaron rodgers and jesse ventura stuff is crazy. but from rfk junior standpoint, this is earned media, and this is what you do if you're not getting news, you're not making headlines. you generate something that we'll get people talking. we're talking about this tonight. and i my money is not on aaron rodgers, but it is on the fact that they're using this as an opportunity to generate earned media and get his name out there. and we'll wait to see who names as his vp, me or the quick last word, alencia you know, that extremism though, that he continues to pan out here. i hear you that he has different folks at his rallies, but we are in a primary were folks are saying, well, actually we're out of the primary, but what are known election were folks are saying they want some new energy and so they're listening to two ideas. but as they continue to listen to rfk, they hear the extremism right here. the extreme has among issues that they care about, particularly around health care, him being a huge anti-vaxxer, i think is a concern for a lot of voters. they're going to be a lot of issues that he continued to talk about. and i think as voters continuing to get to know him i don't think he would hurt democrats as much as people think he would. i think he actually could pull from the republican party. >> well, we shall see, ladies. thank you both. alencia and alice, i always love when you come on thank you a major gut renovation is going on at the republican national committee, and i'm not talking about changes to the building. no, i'm talking about a takeover by the former president donald trump because as of this week, his team has been reshaping the rnc's priorities oh, and laying off dozens of staffers among those priorities shifts focusing on one of trump's favorite and false refrains election fraud and amid all those charges, one of trump's lawyers, who has been a key election denier now has a brand spanking new title at the rnc here's what it is senior counsel for election integrity. >> yep. >> senior counsel for election integrity. her name is christina bobb, and she also worked at the far right one america news network. and she has pushed, well, theories like this do you honestly expect president trump to concede a race? he knows he won. it's becoming glaringly apparent that donald trump absolutely crushed joe biden in the election. the american people resoundingly choose donald j. trump, and democrats are trying to steal it they hope that by bombarding us with this news that biden is the president elect, we'll all just give up and go on with our lives and allow the democrats steal the election well, the top that off, she's also written an entire book promoting trump's election lies. joining me now, elections technology expert can block now he was hired by the trump 2020 campaign to find voter fraud. his new book is disproven my unbiased search for voter fraud for the trump campaign in the data that shows why he lost and how we can improve our elections can thank you so much for being here today. first, i want to get your reaction to the fact that christina bobb is who has been a prominent election denier and denies that biden's won this election is now the senior counsel for election integrity of all things. what does that tell you? >> a lot depends on what the interpretation of election integrity really means. if it's substitute language four, election denialism that won't be very productive for us if it's true, election integrity, efforts to make our elections better across the board. i have a whole bunch of suggestions i'd like to make to her on what we could do because we could really do some things that can help to make our elections better and fairer for everybody. i think it's time to do that. i think that's an important point. i'd like to hear some of what those would be. but you were actually hired by the trump campaign to the day after, by the way, the 2020 election to find voter fraud take us through what you found and perhaps most importantly, did not. >> yeah. >> i was asked to data bind. look for deceased voters, look for evidence of duplicated voters. someone who cast a vote and one of the swing states and also in a different state that was what my original contract was to do and we didn't find much we found some few dead voters couple of hundred duplicate votes across the swing states, not enough to matter. and my job was to find data that i could go to court with and defend. and we utterly could find nothing like that. the campaign also asked me to evaluate claims of fraud but that came to their attention that others brought to the table and i looked at fraud claims from sidney powell. i looked at fraud claims for john eastman and i was able to prove with data that they were false. i convinced the campaign's lawyers, alex cannon in particular, that every one of the claims that came to me was false. i showed him why he went to mark meadows and said we evaluated every claim that was sent to us. those that were evolved data. we looked at them, we know they're false. here's why they were false. we'd looked for fraud. we didn't find very many deceased voters. we just didn't find anything and mark meadows response to that was that means there's no there there when it came to voter fraud and then we know that mark meadows took that information straight to trump >> and yet this didn't end the assault on the elections, didn't end the thought process. the narrative it sounds as though they wanted you to reverse engineer something, but there was no there there was no there there there was no there there. and to be clear, i wouldn't have signed the contract if i was customed delivering something that they asked for, i told him that i had no interest in doing that. i also told them before i sign the contract that in my ten years of looking at election data, i had never seen a hint of what i knew we needed to find for them. and i said, i just want to let you know, i'm not making a promise that i can deliver what you want i know we have to go, but i am curious. could you mentioned the idea of what you would suggest to actually help ensure people believed in the fairness and frias, there are 11 and election security more broadly, what's the number one thing that you think is important? >> well, the number one thing to make our elections better across the before we have to end gerrymandering across the board, our elections are not competitive without competitive elections, we get more extreme candidates because they're in safe seats and we competition fixes a lot of problems in our country and our elections lack competition. and that's at the root cause i think of a lot of our political we'll 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in prison after being wrongly convicted this is about a good samaritan. his name to remain hicks and he'll join me in just a moment. >> he spent >> 19 years in prison after being shot by police and falsely accused of rape all the way back in 2001, that then 26 year-old hicks says that he heard a woman who was screaming in a philadelphia ally. >> he stopped to help >> her and called 911 police, then shot him three times after arriving at the scene. and during his trial police tested by that hicks region for a gun after he was found raping a woman, he was ultimately sentenced to 25 years in prison. >> now, throughout it, all, >> he maintained his innocence. the innocence project eventually got involved and new analysis completely undercut that police testimony medical evidence shows hicks was actually shot in the back and court records show that gun found on hicks was registered to another philadelphia police officer. the jury also never saw evidenced that backed up what hicks was saying he was a free man in december 2020 after the philadelphia district attorney's office vacated his conviction to remain hicks joins me now along with vanessa potepkin and the director of post-conviction litigation at the innocence project, and the attorney who secured to remains exoneration in the year 2020 hey, thank you so much. both of you for being here to main just to even hear these what has happened is mind-boggling. people would not even believe that this was, it was a fiction story that they wouldn't believe it, let alone what's happening to you and what it has happened you have been out of prison now for more than three years what is this like for you >> it's life. >> you know >> it is just me and the life that i that was put on hold for 20 years. >> i remember you said i was reading about this the day you were sentenced to remain, you told the judge and innocent man can't sit in jail for long and yet there you were. >> how >> did the process for fighting for your innocence begin? >> it'd begun the moment i woke up in the hospital, handcuffed to a bad even though i was in the condition that i was zheng, i knew that the fight has started. i survive and i'm really had to just strap on my bootstraps that time right then and there. so i was fighting from day one now. and i want to i went to a trial, a jury trial, and all these police officers paraded up in there and told their troops, which was a lie. and i was like hearing them tell those lives from i mean, sitting there knowing that what they were saying was not true, what was going through your mind? i mean, must have been fear anger, resentment, hurt >> it was i was i was disgusted, i was saying i wanted to dive over the table at times i cried. i couldn't believe that at those moments. i'm just like what elie talking about, it not talking about me. >> but they weren't. >> and vanessa, once the innocence project picked up this case, i mean, how did you go about proving to remains innocence and the face of a trial with police officers testifying the way they did well, the un officers in germain's case testified that they shot your main after they got on the scene >> and interrupted an attack and enter main lunged at them with a gun, and he has always maintained that story was inaccurate, was false. and when we started to review his case, really, what what got us interested is that there were a lot of 911 calls reporting seeing the assailant, take the victim into this alleyway and they all reported the perpetrator wearing a gray hooded sweatshirt please claim, but they got on the scene and as soon as they got their terrain with these, they and they shot him after he tried to attack them. >> but guess what? >> he didn't have a great but it's sweatshirt. and he didn't match the description that had been reported at the assailants oh, please jump to the conclusion that he was the assailant when they got to the scene because he wasn't the alley. but of course he lives in the alle trying to help the victim. >> and they >> realized their mistake that should have been the end of it. but instead of acknowledging that they shot an innocent man, once they realized he didn't match the description, he was unarmed. they initiated a cover up. they plan to the gun on him. they said this gun belonged to him and pointed out it was registered to a philadelphia police officer and through forensic evidence, we were able to establish that they lied about what happened because in fact tremaine was shot three times from the back that's unbelievable to hear. i mean, my heart is rising and falling with every word the two of you are saying and thinking about how many years you spent as a result of what they said happened but that's a really big part of two remains case has involved what you did or did not know about the police investigating his matter. tell me what the innocence project is doing to try to address transparency? >> we are trying to work to make sure that lease disciplinary records are accessible. had the jury known at the time of trial about some of the officers records involved. for example, the officer who claimed that he found a weapon onto main, he had many allegations patients of planting evidence of other types of misconduct. in fact, during his career, he had shot six civilians. if you just think of that, most officers never even discharge their weapon once. and so if this information had been available at the time of trial, the jury would have certainly looked at their testimony much differently. the officer who planted the weapon and germain's case is still on the force you're kidding me >> no >> how was that possible? he is it's been confirmed that he in fact planted evidence and he is still on the force there is a big problem with accountability which i think that we've seen time and again >> from cases where we have officers involved shootings, where we see basically officers commit a homicide and they're put on that's duty are still receiving benefits or cell actually on the horse hired bank though we've reached out to philadelphia police department and have not heard back, but that is astonishing statement. and one frankly that. i've often heard and other cases regarding how difficult it is to remove an officer either from due process reasons or for the police union and the power or a variety of other factors. so people should absolutely know who is on their force we entrust them with so much. and if they're not honorable they need not be there to remain hicks what a remarkable human being, you are. thank you so much for allowing us to meet you this way and for literally stepping up and vanessa popkin. thank you so much for all that you have done to ensure that he could be exonerated. i appreciate you both so much and thank you for allowing us to share your stories here today, to remain hicks. but as a poc and thank you so much. >> we'll be right back. >> there is no media personality. >> businesswoman, >> 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even mean they don't know me >> i'm part of that. >> i love that and joining me now, the oscar winners behind the film brand band proud foot, excuse me, and chris bowers. oh, look, they got their oscars with them. i'm i don't blame you. i would do the same failure there'll be here for i have four people on the screen right now, oscar. oscar. and then of course, ben and thank you both for being here congratulations. i have got to ask you, what was it like hearing your name called? >> yes. pretty surreal thanks for having us. but yeah. i just feel like the time that the they announced the name of the film i kiss my wife and then tried to catch up with porcher getting down the aisle to the stage and then blacked out until i saw my wife at the end of the speech pretty much that was a student who was walking in that beautiful periwinkle dress. she was the cutest thing ever walking up and on the stage, i was so excited for her. i mean, chris, you actually played an instrument in the la public schoolteacher as a kid. why was it important for you? and of course ben to tell this story? >> yeah, for me, i think it was a few things. one, music has always been waived for me to process what i was moving through in my life. i really fell in love with music and fell in love with the piano when i realized that i could be angry or be sad, or have these emotions that i had a difficult time articulating verbally and i could play them on piano and move through them. and so it was really this therapeutic device, but i never considered how the instruments i've played all through my schooling or being taken care of and kept in good repair. so when ben told me about the project that was the thing that made me want to be a part of it was connecting to this organization that had this unseen hand and making sure that i was protected and that these instruments were protected and taking care of. >> i mean, it is fascinating ben, i mean, people like the great john williams. we know his 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