Good evening. Im kaitlan collins, the source this coming to you live tonight from South Florida where i just spoke exclusively with one of the central witnesses and one of the biggest cases, criminal cases i should note in american history, the Trump Classified documents case. Until now, he has been known to the world as trump employee five as a mara lago valais in special counsel, jack smiths Superseding Indictment. Hes referenced six times in it. He has never spoken out publicly until now. It always got brought up about biden and other people that did the same thing. And then there was one time he said were all dirty, we all move boxes that is just one of the explosive things that brian butler told me about what one of trumps codefendants told him. He worked for donald trump for two decades since he was just 19 years old. Now at age 41 with his identity revealed, comes that incredible story. Youre about. Thats a here butlers take on how he says he unwittingly participated in the moving of boxes, which contains some of americas most delicate National Secrets also, what he says he witnessed the possible obstruction of a federal investigation you are trump employee number five. Youre a central witness in the classified documents investigation why are you speaking out publicly with your story now . Well, i mean, its its been almost a year since fbi agents showed up at my house when my wife has at home and, you know, over the course of the last year, the emotionally its been a Roller Coaster sure a couple of weeks ago with judge cannon says shes going to release the names of the witnesses you go from highs and lows in this and instead of just waiting for it to just come out. I think its better that i get to at least say what happened, then it coming out in the news, people calling me like crazy, id rather just get it out there. And the hope is at least i can move on with my life and get over this. Having your whole life changed as a result of this, what was it like last summer to read through that Superseding Indictment and to realize you are trump employee number five i mean, i was out with my family out of town on vacation. I got a phone call from my attorney and he said, hey, they just arrested carlos and my heart just dropped time and im like, oh, my god, carlos de oliveira, who is not only the Property Manager at maralago, but well, my best friend, i mean, we used to talk every day. Every day. I mean, we were always at least in some sort of contact and you had just seeing him a few days before that. Think for days he was at my house. We played golf, we had a great time and mustard shocked you too. You know it hurts. No contact since then and i should be clear. Jack smiths investigators sought you out. How many times did you think youve have you talked to investigators now . A probably between 4. 5 times. Can we talk about what started all of this, which is the boxes, i mean, trump was clearly obsessed with these boxes at one point in the indictment, someone refers to them as his Beautiful Mind paper. What was known among the employees about about why he cared about these boxes so much for you guys. Did you talk about them . I never talked about them. I really didnt even know what was going on until the investigation. I started reading in the news, employees were getting interviewed the indictment to june 3. He goes back home. He went back home. We had moved a bunch of stuff, the belongings, everything. Thats when hes going from spinning his time in palm beach to spending his time in bedminster, new jersey that is correct so we are there to assist with luggage, anything that needs to go to the plane. So in since i ran the car service, i had employees come to help with luggage and then we were going to bring it to the plane and then back up and then often new york, they went the other key thing about that is that was the day that his attorneys were meeting the fbi at maralago the day before one of his attorneys had gone in, searched the storage room, not knowing that walt nauta, the body man who is now a codefendant, had been moving boxes in and out of that room the day before. Did you know about that . No, i never do anything about that on june 3 walt had came up to me and asked me if he could use one of our escalates since i ran the car service, i pretty much kept control over the vehicles. I had loaded a bunch of the family luggage into a minivan and i was just going to drop private to the plane, loaded up and thats it. But during the us getting luggage, walt asked, hey, i need a minivan. Sure. Go ahead. And then he left and i was i didnt think anything of it. It was a little odd the way he asked me. I mean, its stood out now after all this but him and carlos were gone at that time and i didnt know because typically he wouldnt go get a vehicle, drive himself, and get luggage so it was unusual for him to make that ask of you . It seemed odd to me once i figured how everything went Down The Line, june, july, and august from what i learned, it kind of made sense. Something was up, you werent just pudding luggage on that plane that day. So i just had i only remember trump family personal luggage. And then what happened is walt left before me and he never goes directly to the plane. Hes either in the motorcade when he goes there with the boss, which the former president and i remember telling him he left the club with i didnt know what he had in his vehicle, but he waited for me at a nearby business and i told him i would tell him when i was leaving maralago so i left maralago. I texted him, hey, im on my way. He followed me. He pulled out and got behind me. We got to the airport. I ended up loading all the luggage i had and he had a bunch of boxes you noticed that he had been they were the boxes that were in the indictment. The white bankers boxes. Thats what i remember loading. And did you have any idea at the time that there was potentially Us National Security secrets in his box and no clue no i had no clue. I mean, we were just taking them out of the escalate piling them up. I remember they were all stacked on top of each other and then were lifting them up to the pilots. How many boxes was it . They asked me in the interview and i believe it was ten to 15 is what i remember. I know investigators. Correct. And when you look back on that now, what i had no clue until probably the end of june, theres a few Different Things that happen that kind of opened my eyes to somethings going on here here you get that unusual request. Did you ever think to yourself why were there so many boxes at maralago for me, im just thinking out of the former president and he has a lot of stuff he likes to lug around with them. I never wouldve thought it was anything like what we see on that day as youre loading helping load these these boxes unwittingly into the plane and handing them to the pilots. Trump is back at maralago. And did you know that his attorneys were there that day . Its its funny because i remember seeing this taller guy think, flick back silver hair. I think it was ever netanyahu, i now know to be Evan Corcoran and i saw a bunch of other people in The Living Room. I had no clue. Im just seeing all these people. I have no clue what theyre there for. I was on the Cloister Outside Over by the bar. The former president was walking towards The Living Room like he was going to enter The Living Room. He was with secret service. I remember he said hi to be hi bryan im mr. Trump or President Trump and then he went in and talk to them, but i had no clue who those people were. And it was Evan Corcoran, trumps attorney and members of the fbi, jay bratt, which i come to realize now, at the same time, hes going in there. The boxes are going from somewhere into a vehicle which are eventually going to the plane which i load with walt. Do you ever remember seeing those boxes come back to maralago . I dont i do not and then in june, a little bit later, you get a call from carlos telling you that walt is coming to maralago was actually we we live literally 30 seconds from each other. Your neighbors were neighbors. So we would always go walk and just on the walk, i remember him saying, hey, by the way well, its come in tomorrow. Oh cool, thats great i was like, okay wasnt until the following day when were how walk and hes like, hey, by the way, its a secret. Dont tell anybody waltz coming. And well, why well, he needs me, he needs me to find something out before he gets here. Whats that . He needs to be done. You know, how long the Camera Footage is saved at maralago. And im like oh, thats thats odd. Why why do you need the Camera Footage . Why do you need to know how long it saved . And his response was, i think theyre looking for somebody that was there said, oh, okay. I wonder who i have. So tells you that waltz coming that its a secret that no one seems to know, and that theyre looking to see along the Surveillance Footage goes back. Thats what he needed to find out by the time walt got there. So that would seems really odd to me. And then not many days later when i receive a call from the corporate head of security at Trump Organization, thing, why didnt you tell me carlos moved boxes . I didnt really know he moved boxes. I never saw him move boxes on june 3rd. I mean, i know now that thats what it looks like. Whats going on him and what were moving boxes and then he drove into the plane, but i had i had no clue why response was what did i move . Did you see me on video moving something, but i guess he had gotten a call from the corporate attorney at Trump Organization and said saved this woody of Video Footage. And thats when he went the look at the footage and said why did you tell me carlos . I guess its carlos was moving boxes this is really important. This moment about the Surveillance Footage because carlos has now been he was indicted in part for lying to federal investigators because he was having a conversation with another one of your coworkers about deleting that footage that trump had told him to have this server deleted did you in carlos ever have any other conversations about the Surveillance Footage . So sometime in august after the when i when i met with the prosecutors, i said after the raid and they immediately correct me and said, well, lawfully Executed Search Warrants. So after the lawfully Executed Search Warrant i was on a cruise the day that maralago they showed up at maralago. I was going to a cruise and i had gotten a phone call. But when i got back like a couple of days from when i got back, i i reached out to a friend of mine who worked at another trump property and he said hey, by the way, your boys in trouble here, your boys in trouble, im like, what do you mean . And hes talking about carlos. Carlos didnt do anything wrong. Hes like, well, thats not what i hear. I heard he asked you seal to delete Video Footage and i said he would never do that. I mean you seals making that up. Somethings not right. So now im like something isnt jiving here and Yuscil Taveras is he was the it employee at maralago that in the indictment it says carlos had the conversation with about deleting the server. Right. But thats the first i had ever heard of. That is when a friend tells me that my friends and troubled basically. But when you started to think about the conversation you and carlos had about Surveillance Footage . And then you have this conversation. Are you beginning to get suspicious . Its all like a puzzle in its little pieces here and there. And now im wondering, and i asked carlos, i said, did you say that to me . No. No, i didnt. I wouldnt i asked him about the Video Footage time for timing, and how long until it deletes. He denied to you that he had tried to correct. Get it deleted . That is correct. But you gotta call from walt nauta after the search happened. What did he say to you so i was on the my waited my birthday weekend down at the hardrock and i think i texted him like, hey, im well talk at like in an hour, i was with people or something, so i called him back and hes like hey, someone just wants to make sure carlos is good. I take that as trumps wants to make sure carlos is so i reply. Listen, carlos is very loyal. He would not do anything to affect his relationship with the boss ive never seen him. Hes never been happier on the job. I mean, he had a very close relationship with the former president. It was everybody saw it at the club. I mean, they were always interact. They would walk around the property. I mean so i told him no, theres theres carlos would not do anything to affect his relationship with the boss. Why do you think you had to assure trumps body man . I really dont know. I im sure somebody i think the former president told walt to reach out to me. I dont know why. Then did you later have to assure to anyone else that your friend carlos would be loyal to. The end of that call with walt . He told me its like were going to get carlos and attorney. Its like okay. So i get to the hardrock are right around the same time and walt says they add me to a Signal Chat Group with susie wiles. And he says something to the effect like brian just can you put in this chat what you just told me . So by its type it up, i say, hey a little weird to me, but listen, carlos is very loyal. He would not do anything to affect his relationship with the boss. He loves what he does. And you dont have to worry about to that, to that effect. And for those who dont know, susie wiles is running trumps 2024 campaign. And signal is an encrypted app where your messages disappear here, correct so walt nauta told you that they were going to get carlos and attorney. What happened after that . Did he get a call so id say within 30 minutes, i think it was probably a lot sooner. Im with carlos. Were at the hardrock by the food court and his phone rings and its the former president. He takes the call where were standing in the food court. I think we went to sit down and he i cant remember how long the conversation was, but i know at the end of the conversation when they hung up, carlo said hes going to get me an attorney. Did he tell you Anything Else that trump said to him . I didnt ask and i dont remember him saying Anything Else, but i was just told not that long two long before were getting him an attorney by walt and then he gets the call that hes going to give them the attorney whos paying for your attorney. I i actually had reached out to counsel before anybody came to talk to me just so i was prepared i knew it was coming. I just had a feeling. But no, i paid for my own attorney. Why was that important to you Something Like this . I think its better to look after yourself and take care of it yourself. Even the voicemail by the attorney that called me. He says, im representing former President Trump. Hey, brian, good morning. My name is john rally. Im one of the lawyers representing President Trump. Its my understanding that you got a Grand Jury Subpoena would you please give me a call at your first opportunities . Did you ever call that attorney back . I sent it to my attorney and let him here handle it. Were you feeling pressure to stay in trumps world, carlos, i were very close was previously reported. There was a golf tournament, carlos. Oh, you let me get you tickets. Let me or im sure the boss would love to see you. In my mind, i would not step foot in any of his properties that again the attorney i think there was a lot of pressure there deal it got brought up multiple times. He mentioned to me why didnt why didnt you call him back . Its going to cost you a lot of money. I mean, you should see my Attorney Bills that i get. Its thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars. I said, im okay. Okay. Im good to not only did you feel pressure to get an attorney, you are also being offered tickets and facetime with the former president. Thats what he said. He said he loved to see you. Well did carlos ever imply to you given your close friendship, i mean, the fact that your neighbors, you knew his wife, you guys have had decades of friendship. Did he ever imply to you that he might be in trouble . He said everything will be fine. That kind of attitude. I never maybe a couple of times i saw him maybe a little nervous, but overall, i think he feels like this is going to go away. Did the two of you ever talk about moving boxes or looking back on that . Yeah. I mean, there was one time towards one of the last times i was with them and were talking about boxes and while biden did the same thing, you cant get. It always got brought up about biden and other people that did the same thing and then there was one time he said, were all dirty, we all move boxes and i said, well, look, i didnt even know what i was moving until i was at the plane and thats when i remember moving boxes theres more, a lot more actually, butler describing at one point the lax security that he personally witnessed at the maralago club. And what he wants American Voters to know about trump for november. 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