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Fiber im Clarissa Ward In Jerusalem Hello Again and welcome. Its time to get together with some smart people. Theyre break down the big stories today, were asking facing stiff headwinds from bad balls, border prices, and rowdy republicans what did the President Big speech tell us about the state of job . Five then Donald Trumps remarkable political comeback. But will a jury of his peers stopped him in his tracks. And the March Madness At One University that has everything to do with the basketball team. But nothing to do with the game itself. The panel is here and ready to go. So sit back, relax, and lets talk about it up. First. President biden spending the weekend on the Campaign Trail trying to build on whatever momentum he gained from this week State Of The Union union address. A speech before tens of millions of americans that biden used to launch his campaign for reelection the state of our union is strong and getting stronger joe biden turned the traditional State Of The Union speech into a Campaign Rally barely taking the podium before he ripped the bark off trump and republicans. My predecessor, a former republican president , tells putin, quote, do whatever the hell you want on ukraine, january 6, and abortion. Biden said voters face a clear choice in november, many of you in this change hi, my predecessor, a promising to pass a national ban on reproductive freedom my god, what freedom else would you take away . The president also played defense trying to shift the blame for the illegal immigration surge, challenging republicans who killed a bipartisan border deal at trumps urging, the Border Patrol union his endorsed this bill the federal chamber of commerce isnt yeah. Yeah. You say no. Look at the facts. But in their response, republicans pushed back president bidens Border Policies are a disgrace here with me today podcaster and author of the bestseller burn book, kara swisher. Sarah longwell, publisher of the bulwark, who also runs the focus group podcast. New york times journalist and podcast host lulu garcianavarro and Senior Editor at the dispatch, john mccormack. Welcome back, everyone. So lets take a trip around the paddle on a scale of one to 1010 being the Gettysburg Address. I want you to give me a score for how biden did and instead of the union speech, one on substance to style okay. Guys, for your desk was not popular when it was said at the time to people didnt like that speech at all, but its also the greatest speech in history. I would give him a nine on on style and seven on substance why . Well, a nine because i think he did what he was supposed to do the gop had set the bar at corpse and therefore, he looked fantastic. So he gets a 9. 10 because its not the Gettysburg Address for seven is because he didnt he didnt say a lot. There wasnt a lot. It was a Campaign Speech essentially. Thats exactly what it was. Sara, what are those scores . So on style, im gonna go with nine as well but again, its because of the low expectations. If it was the Gettysburg Addresses the bar, id go with like a four because thats thats not where the bar was on substance. Ill probably go with a six. Im more to the center right. Than joe biden, but his positions on ukraine and starting out on Foreign Policy that was right up my alley. Lula i would do a solid eight for style. I thought he seemed forceful. He seemed energized as we say in spanish, that he had his batteries in. And so you could really see that he was energized. And i would also give them a solid aid for substance i believe because i think he addressed the things that he needed to address. He needed to rally his base and he did it he was talking about issues that were very important to them, like reproductive rights. And he did bring that home. John, i only give him a five on style because i wasnt that impressed that he spoke quickly and loudly. I think someone pointed out that there were zero Exclamation Point Prince and last years address, there were at in this years address, youre talking about the actual script actually at an explanation of this year. And on substance as a conservative, id give them a three. He started out strong on ukraine, but then went on to a laundry list of democratic Talking Points the only two new policies i really heard were a 10,000 credit for homebuyers. Thats not going to solve the problem. And they talked about a gaza humanitarian aid peer. Im not quite sure how thats going to work. Kara, as our queen of snark, im going to give you the opportunity. What was your grade, your score for senator katie britts gop response less than zero . It was as if someone put into chat gpt stepper wife, mates weird kitchen, meet someone who failed at getting the lead in the high school play. It was terrible. Theres just so we always make too Big A Deal Overemphasize the importance of these speeches of speech. Its given and it ends two weeks from now, how big a deal with this speech bay . Its a big, big deal. Its crazy momentum around, but joe biden and gets rid of that idea that i know the republicans are attacking for being too energetic. But before he was too slow, so too bad. He looks like he can do it and it gets people excited. Sara. Yeah. Look, i think that this is going to stop the drip, drip, drip of People Writing opeds telling him he needs to step down and that somebody needs to replace them or that they need to replace Kamala Harris on the ticket like he put to bear the fact that hes gonna be the nominee and that hes up to it. John, as somebody who was the least and impressed by the speech. Let me give it to you in a more Negative Spin to joe biden stop the bleeding of his president ial candidacy by his performance this week, i think sarah is exactly right that he shored up democrats and i think that if that was his objection he definitely succeeded. You had prominent democrats calling for him. Hey, were going to replace where the convention i think thats dead, at least for another month if his polls started thanking even more, maybe that comes back. But for now, hes bought himself a month. Now, last week, i asked all of you whether or not biden could flip the script on immigration by talking about republicans killing the border. Bill oh, lo, did he succeed in flipping the script . I mean, it depends what you mean by that because the big problem is that he really annoyed democrats with the way that he spoke about immigration because he used the word illegals to describe people. We normally dont use that word because people are not illegal. Their actions might be illegal so i think the one hand you annoyed democrats and on the other hand he still has a problem with the numbers. The numbers are not in his favor. The border is still in crisis and nothing has quite been done about it. Yeah, i want to pick up on that because the president can talk about some bill. But the fact remains more than three times as many migrants have been encountered at the border under biden as during the same period under trump so john did biden succeed in any way and flipping the script on immigration and making it less of a vulnerability for him and a strength for trump. I wouldnt say flip the script, but he can definitely Bracket Trump is going to go hard saying, look at all the Executive Orders that i had an immigration that youd undone and biden will say, hey, look at this compromise. There were pieces of the law that needed to be fixed regardless of executive authority. So i do think he has helped himself. I think itll be a real debate, but i think one of the things that really matters here is that when you look at trump, he uses words like poisoning the blood of our nation when hes talking about immigrants, hes saying all immigrants are criminals that theyre bringing crime into this country. I think when you look at that contrast, i think biden does a lot better because hes trying to show, hey, this is a problem, but i have a policy solution. I have a humane solution that isnt xenophobic. Does he do better or does he do worse, john, in the sense that if youre really concerned about people coming over the border, not saying that im endorsing trumps language dont doesnt trump have more credibility . Hes going to stop the border. If you look at the polls, trump clearly has an advantage. Now, do i think that this bill helps biden shrink it if theres debates and he can point to this bill. Yes, i do think it marginally helps him, but when you issue for trump, hes got to do something about it thats all shes got to actually do something and they can argue about whos fault here. But he is holding the bag right now and its his job and therefore, you dont river before the speech, we were all talking about Executive Action that he might take to unilaterally try to do something about the border, not talk about it, but do something he didnt do that sure. I want to talk to you about something ive been hearing a term in the last few days that is new to me Double Haters, i want to put up a poll. I have to say, i like this it fits the campaign perfectly in a New York Times poll 19 were described as doublehaters because they disapprove of both biden and trump. And biden is correct . Currently leading among the doublehaters 45 to 33 . So sarah are the doublehaters a real thing and whos going to end up winning the doublehaters. So i conduct focus groups all the time and the Double Haters are absolutely a real thing. In fact, because we have this phenomenon here, where you essentially have two incumbents running against each other. The persuadable chunk of voters is different this time it is people who have, they, they know both these guys and they dont like either. And so thats why this is going to be a really negative campaign because persuadable voters to bring them over, youre gonna have to make them hate the other guy more. The phrase that we hear in focus groups all the time. And if it was a drinking game, wed all be dead is the first lesser of two evils and what they mean is im basically to make my decision on who i hate, slightly less and biden usually cleans up on that front cause people hate trump a little bit more okay thats, thats his claim to fame. 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But as historic as the first race between two former president s since taft and Teddy Roosevelt while back in 2019 is the journey former President Trump has taken since he left the white house under a cloud of shame and rejection they call it Super Tuesday for a reason, a comeback that was unimaginable three years ago, donald trump wrapping up a gop nomination and rematch with joe biden has never been anything so concluded. In the carnage after january 6, trump was all but one out of washington. Democrats and republicans. Theres no question. John, there President Trump is practically and morally responsible and the publics view of trump was the worst of his presidency, only 33 favorable fastforward to this wave. And things have changed and i said, i would support the nominee for president. Even if it were the former president. But there are the four criminal trials and 91 charges which seemed to boost support for trump in the primaries. And much more popular than i was before weaponization that could change in november remember, with large numbers of republican primary voters in six states saying trump is not fit to be president if hes convicted kara, how did donald trump do it . How did he overcome january 6 disappointing midterm, a big field . Of republican opponents. And win the republican nomination. Well, one, hes incredibly wellknown to, hes an incumbent and three america has a memory drop on almost everything in the last 15 minutes. Thats what we do. That said, i think people will remember very quickly as he starts to appear on the scene all the time and i still believe hes im going to lose badly badly i dont know it seems to be a 50, 50 nation john, how do you explain it . How how despite all of these prompts, i mean, you know what it would be comparable to Richard Nixon leaving after watergate and then a couple of years later, hes back as the nominee of the party. How did he keep his grip on the Republican Base despite all of the problems over the last four years, you know, even it is lowest moments after january 6, when his poll numbers overall, were down at 30 . There was still a majority of republicans who supported him. So i think he was always a front runner. The closest we ever came to not wanting the nomination and was when the senate failed to convict him three years ago. Ron desantis, i think someone in his position could have beaten trump, but again, you had to be a very uniquely talented politician to be effectively an incumbent republican president on the other hand, as i pointed out in the piece, trump still does face those four criminal trials, those 91 charges. And we got some interesting results in the Super Tuesday exit polls in virginia 37 of republican primary voters said trump is not fit for the presidency. If hes convicted of a crime in north carolina, 30 . And california 20 . Sara, i know theres a real question whether any of these trials are actually going to take place before november. But if they do, and if trump is convicted, is it going to have more of an impact than the quote, weaponization all the indictments, all the civil trials had during the primaries. Yeah. Well, its a twotier process, right . So the indictments made him stronger in a republican primary. But then were going to make him weaker in a general election. And the reason is, is that theres a 70, 30 split in the Republican Party 70 thinks the election was stolen. 70 is more or less all in for trump, theres a reason you see this 30 number over and over again. Its the number for nikki haley. Its the number roughly of if hes convicted people who wont support him. And so i think that if he is convicted or even if these trials are going on while hes trying to run there is a significant chunk of these rightleaning independents, soft gop voters never liked to trump who its just gonna make them feel more, how they decide they hate him more. But in a ludo, im not so sure about this because it look, trump was found in a civil case to have raped a woman e jean carroll, and it did it didnt slow him down a bit, something that i think what a blown any political candidate that we could ever have thought of out of the water. Do you really think that suddenly these trials, these charges are going to make a difference of the general election i do. I think that donald trump has a lot of baggage. I dont subscribe to the idea that there is amnesia, that somehow everyone has forgotten who he is. I think biden has made missteps. One of the poll numbers that i found fascinating was the poll number that said that donald trump was better on infrastructure. I was like, im old enough to remember that there was like a weekly infrastructure week that never happened under his administration. And joe biden actually made it happen and yet polls say that somehow they think that he is the stronger candidate on that issue didnt you just make the case for Trump Amnesia is so im no im not making the case so Trump Amnesia. What im saying though, is that i think there was missteps by biden in that biden has not until now shown forcefully who he is and what he stands for and really made the case to the american people. And so therefore in that vacuum, people have managed to have nostalgia well, joe, over trump. Yes, this taljah that i can that i dont think it has no bearing on his record those groups i mean, this is a phrase that is gaining currency among pundits. Some amnesia, the idea that a lot of people just forget all the things that happened in his four years in office. Yeah, i think itd be just just maybe the slightly the wrong term here. Heres how it is. It is that people biden is right in front of them right now. They blame biden for the economy, for immigration as they have frustrations with them because hes the president. Theyve just sort of donald trump is out of frame for a lot of people. Hes over there on social bleeding things off, but hes not in front of people and when he is and when candidates like mr. Like in 2022 and people i think, man, these people seem awfully extreme. Thats when, when push comes to shove, people go with the milk toast democrat over the two extreme republics that regard if hes going to be shameless, which is his greatest asset, the shamelessness of him is then than biden has to get in there very hard and go rapist, racist, fascist over and over and over again. And then the trials are happening at the same time. Hes just had to pay you. Hes just 93 million for right now and just hammer it in with those three things. Rapist, racist, fascist. But heres the thing thats my, voters havent forgotten what the economy was like in 2019. They remember it and, you know, i dont think president s deserve credit what they get blame or your credit for what happens on their watch. And voters arent thinking, oh, Well Inflation is cooling. They are comparing the numbers today to the numbers four or five years ago so what youre saying is maybe they remember some things that were better in that thats one of the questions is whether theyre going to be able to separate 2019 from 2021 covid and things went to hell. Theres one issue thats force in liberal cities to turn to conservative solution. Up next, the political pendulum swings to make streets safer. But well aware me and you was introduced you keep your head him . Just like momtaz you guys to stay was my son had gone to meet again. We need to look like we pulled but you see the word we call the approval. No streaming exclusively on max okay. 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But take a look at this last year, Overdose Deaths in the state rose 42 as compared to the National Average a 2 increase in overdose, Overdose Deaths. Lulu did some cities and states go too far so i have to sort of push back on the framing, which is that somehow this is progressive or leftist policies that have run a muck. Im not a big believer in decriminalizing hard drugs. Im from latin america. Ive seen the devastation that it causes an entire region when hard drugs get pushed up here, fentanyl is a catastrophe. We know that. So dont believe that that ever should have happened. That said the war on drugs havent worked, you know, mass incarceration hasnt worked. And so when we look at policies that are trying to change things and try to make it better what we might say is that maybe this was a failed experiment than their San Francisco well, where billboards like this went up that seemed to promote drug use. But now the liberal mayor london breed back to measure that Welfare Recipients must undergo drugs greater than ours proved by voters in november, california voters may increase penalties for Drug Possession and Property Crimes kara, as someone who lives in san last night, how do you explain all of those . Because i think we have a monoculture democrat for example, they try Different Things and then they change and then a lot of citizens were retired of it and theyre shifting now, london breed is not considered liberal shes going to liberal here, but not in San Francisco. Shes moving more to the center. Shes facing challenges from much more centrist people. And i think the populace is like, okay, this didnt work. Lets try Something Else because its been very difficult to lose saying around homelessness, drug use, and things like that. And so its time for crack down then theres new york city, which has seen a 13 increase in major crime in the Transit System in just the last year. This week, new York Governor Kathy Hochul said she is deploying 1,000 members of the National Guard and state police two patrol the subways these brazen heinous attacks on our Subway System will not be tolerated john, are more boots on the ground or in this particular case, more boots underground is that the answer . I think itll certainly help and i think maybe this could have been avoided if they had enforced the law a little more strictly early on back in 2018, the Manhattan District Attorney at the time, cy vance said hes not going to prosecuting these lowlight oh, turnstile jumping. Were not going to care about this. In most cases, i really do believe in the Broken Windows Theory that tolerance of lowlevel crime, it just does lead to a greater level of lawlessness. And i think that this is while a big step to put National Guard down there, especially after people freak out when tom cotton said we should have National Guard put down riots. Now theyre using them to monitor the subways. I do think at all but its an extreme stop. But here is what makes this whole tough on crime wave. So interesting, i want you to look at these numbers crime in fact, dropped dramatically in the last year, Violent Crime down 8 across the country, Property Crime down 6 to the lowest levels since 1961 homicides in new york, los angeles, and chicago all down more than 10 and yet as we said, 77 of americans think crime is spiking. So sara, as our Public Opinion expert here, why do we think crime is worse . In our cities than it really is . Well, i think part of it is that there are still a lot of lowlevel crimes like carjackings, people, getting their stuff stolen quickly here in dc, you see its really bad, its really bad. And i think coming out of the pandemic people just felt like something was off. Homelessness was a big problem here. And do you see in another cities and other hexagon, i will say listening to voters, they think the cities are third world countries, like some of this also comes from the political culture right now, where crime is a big issue republicans have been talking about it and its been i think talked about in such a Hyperbolic Way by whom, by whom yeah, no. No. But why were they just went on it was so if you went to San Francisco lets go, youre like, what are you talking about . This is just its we have problems, but its not this. They just made it into a ratings thing. They just kept saying this and i think thats not true, but i also think there was a carjacking on my street. Yes this yesterday, dc is you know, there are cities where there are problems and also, by the way we talked about carjackings is if like, oh, well, its not murder nobody likes to have a gun and put in their faces she did in dc in particular, did have its highest Homicide Rate in 26 years in 2023, theres been i think a slight improvement. Were only an outlier, but yes. We just have the dc Attorney General so you cant prosecute or arrest your way that is carjacking problem. Well, i think he can actually so i mean, john are our folks making up our people imagining a Crime Situation when 77 of americans say crime is a problem and its getting worse. But the fbi numbers indicate it actually isnt with some exceptions how do you explain it . Well, again, it depends on the city youre looking at and whats your baseline, i think again, if were talking or talking about 28 to 2024 or yeah. Or in the last year. So i think it just depends on your baseline. And again, theres an media, obviously social media, were seeing everything. American carnage last night. Senator britt was the same thing. The countrys scary, its a nightmare. Come on its not true. Its right in the middle of lots of things. And i think one of the things that you can do is say you can have more cops. Thats fine. You just have to have them police better. I mean, it doesnt have to be that they have to be armed with tanks and machine guns and moving every one down. You can have them police better all right. So Im Ivy League students are trying to do something that could radically change college sports. And its gone under the radar. Also had the big change to hollywoods biggest night. We have an Oscars Edition of the irna. Thats next taiwan on this initiative, business tomorrow at eight on cnn. What does it mean to be out front . Its going there. We are just about three miles from the gaza border. Its context and curiosity so you can be outfront to, lets go outfront. 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And this weekend its all about the oscars the Academy Awards are still hollywoods biggest night, but theyre not the mustsee tv they used to be for decades. The show reliably hooked more than 40 million viewers. The highest rated year was 1998, when titanic won best picture. And more than 57 Million People tuned in but the past three years, the show has an even crack, 20 million lulu yay or nay, are the oscars over i am such an oscars afficionado. When i was a little kid, i would sit and stay up watching it and i have watched it every year. It is not over. I refuse to accept it. I dont care. There are no Big Convening moments more and the oscars still rocks. Well, i mean, thats one of the points though that you talked to. I mean, we all use to a lot of people watched the Big Movies Of The Year in theaters. Now, a lot of them arent even in theaters around streamers. And if you dont own the streamer that is airing that particular movie, you dont even see the movie. So kara are the oscars over as the Big Convening event that they are lewis, im sorry, lulu, they are over the numbers are way down the internet has dismembered media and that people watch it and clips, they watch it and pieces they hear about it. But as an event is not a unifying event in heimer was we had movies thats not the oscars. Thats thats a moving went to the people who watched the movies, then care about whether or not they win the war, especially if they are younger, are not having. This was a year your name thats not a conversation. Theres some good news. This e here for early birds like me for the first time ever, the show is starting at 07 00 p. M. Eastern hour earlier than usual, which hadnt been they wont be giving out best picture after midnight, which sometimes they do. John, are you yea or nay, on staying up to watch the whole darn thing. Im a nay now and ive always been a nice so i really shouldnt be the Target Audience here. So are you going to watch any a bit . Im excited to find out if oppenheimer wins, but ill find it out the next today. I thought oppenheimer was a great show and i think that, well, why will you tune in the oscars at 07 00 p. M. If my wife does, yes. And there she doesnt. Ill follow her husband, lulu given i want to explore just how committed i am exactly. I mean, are you in at seven and there for the duration, really am i in its seven, im in for the preshow on ie the red carpet. I my 11 yearold daughter, she now is into award shows to we like to we have a whole text chain with my siblings where we critique what people are wearing oh, im in it. My friend well, i get an end of the text trying for you where i guess youre not allowed to ask that anymore. Finally, Summer Blockbuster Oppenheimer as the oddson favorite to win best picture. But there are nine other films in the category, including barbie, maestro and killers of the flower moon. Were just going to assume for the purpose does this discussion that oppenheimer will win tomorrow night. But i want to ask all of you which movie should win tomorrow night sarah, anatomy of a fall. It is one of the foreign films and it is awesome. Everybody should go see it. Okay . You can expand a little bit more on. Okay. Ill tell you, you know what youre going to knock in to know whether or not she did it and you will think about it for a long time afterward, also, my brotherinlaws writing for the oscars and so do a good job. It better be funny or youre out of the family era. What movie should win best picture, barbie . Barbie should win best picture. It was the most important movie financially, and it was a wonderful movie that got kicked to the curb. The director got kept the curb and she deserved started barbie herself rb herself, she was fantastic. Its a very heartfelt movie. Theres a lot of seriousness of the heart of it. John oppenheimer deserves that it told the story very well of a hugely consequential scientific advancement that ended world war ii in a very morally and ethically fraught context. Quickly, lulu, i loved american fiction. I thought it was hilarious. I thought it was clever and, you know, but i think barbie for the wood next, a fast break from tradition by some College Basketball players. Thats under scrutiny and under the radar. The greatest stage they told about Throw Lifetime Regrow the champions have cvs being a journalist is the best job in the world. Asking challenging questions of the folks who Run The World is ukraine going to win this war . Yes, of course. Youre ready to lead with jake tapper, cnn weekdays have for someone just did laundry. How i add donie light. So the freshness really last yeah. 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And this is cnn under the radar this week, March Madness in new hampshire, dartmouth colleges Mens Basketball Team voted to unionize after a National Labor Relations Board director ruled, team members or employees or the school heres one of the players we knew it hadnt been done, but they became more real after he signed cards and went to trial one. And now today with all the Media Attention becomes even more real theyre historic decision which University Administrators are appealing and could take years to sort out, would give players the ability to negotiate such such matters as pay, length of practice, and travel conditions, leading to big changes in the world of college sports. So sara should Student Athletes lets be treated as Union Employees know. They should be able to go make money from endorsements. They should be able to own their likeness, but their students, they are not employees. Its just not what they are. Their students well, interesting that you should say that because here is the counter from the quite upset president of Dartmouth University we believe our athletes, our students, we dont give athletic scholarships. We are Student Athletes here and we believe are our students should be thought of in that way. Lulu, you know, there are a number of arguments beyond sarahs definition against the idea of unionized student players. And one of the biggest ones is if you have to start paying every Student Athlete a lot of these sports that a lot of colleges have, dont bring in money. And you may have to drop them. And the area that could get hit the hardest is womens sports. So are you still okay with the idea of unionized Student Athletes . I am. And ill tell you why. I think that students sports has gotten especially in college, has gotten sort of wildly out of control. There. Its a huge moneymaking business. Theres billions of dollars at stake here. And the fact of the matter is you have a few very highprofile Student Athletes, but the vast majority of them dont actually get very much money. As you mentioned, dont have stakes unionizing actually allows for more equitable distribution and of, of, of money and also of how they get treated. So john, as the traditionalist in our panel here, any concerns about just blowing up the idea of Student Athletes . Know, i think that they deserve to get paid. I would be a little paternalistic and maybe not give them these checks right up front, maybe structured as a trust and they can use it after they go graduate. But they bring in a lot of money. And why should the coaches make 1 million in the students who are never going to have shot the pros make nothing. Some of the coaches make more than 1 the panel is back with their takes on a hot stories. And what will be in the news before its new. Thats right after the break. 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Im Paula Reid In Washington and this is cnn its time for our Panel Special takes on whats happening or predictions of what we should be looking up for us. So john hit me with your best shot big news story. The soup was that nikki haley finally dropped out and did not endorse donald trump. I predict that she will continue to hold out and i dont know that anything could really change that so what does that think that she will she will not endorse donald trump unless i think theyre looking i think theres a chance, a slight, slight chance of trumps tanks and the polls. Hes going to go to nikki haley is the only possible person who can save him as could be vp. I have no idea what she would say i would ill take the under on that possibility. Kara, youre focused on two of your favorite people, which is that, which is elon musk and chatgpt know donald trump . Yes, i am im actually looking at chat gpt in general there, elon musks suit chat this week and a nonsense lawsuit he also sidled up to donald trump. He has to sidle up to donald trump because if biden wins, i think hes going to be in a little more trouble, especially around spacex and National Security clearances to same time as attack on chat gpt is ge problematic because theyre gonna be announcing their board very soon and theyre getting some big names are talking to some very big names in media tech. And donald trump needs the coin. Do you need the coin . Oh yes, hes a richest man in the world. Donald trump needs the money and he will trade influence for it. Sara, best shot. Okay. So theres a Third Party Group called no labels that has been trying to field. Theres third unity ticket and they Just Announced that they are Going Forward with this despite the fact that joe manchin stern them down. Nikki haleys turned them down. Larry hogan turned them down. And i going to predict that they get nowhere with this. Nobody runs on that ticket. If they did, it would be enormously damaging. It would reelect donald trump. It would not win a single state. And i think no candidate is going to join up with them despite theyre saying theyre continuing. Literally, youre not saying that its not going to be one of these names that weve talked about. Youre saying that no one is going to end up on the no labels ticket. They have said that it would have to be somebody serious and i dont think anybody serious is going to look at the polling and not understand that the only thing they would do by joining no labels is reelect donald trump i have generally founded life as you get closer to the edge of the cliff, things get more serious and you change your, your ideas about who they would consider are acceptable. Canada kinda tough for them if they dont take anybody. Yeah, but they have proven that they are its just its really been amateur hour lulu, i understand that you took a trip off the tailored train this week. I did goodbyes, swifties, hello, livys. I went to the Olivia Rodrigo concert in miami with my 11 yearold daughter and it was amazing and she is fabulous. And i am now her biggest fan. And i wanted to bring you back because kara constantly is bringing you back gifts. I wanted to bring you back a bracelet. I have come though, not bearing gifts. This is not for you because my daughter said you are not going to give our bracelet to that swiftie man that loves taylor swift on television. So i had been told explicitly that this beautiful, beautiful, Beautiful Bracelet is not for you. You go chris here. It says big fan selling author. But thank you all for being here except for lulu. Thank you for spreading part of your day with us. Well see you right back here next week