can start gaining access to them ballots, which we've done. but super tuesday was yesterday. i'm sure enough. it is trump and biden. so we're at the moment of truth and we're ready for it. we're right on schedule. we're going to ask the delegates on friday, you want us to go forward? to do some final surveying of public opinion because we've said we're not going to do this unless we have a chance to win. we're not going to be spoilers. >> and then >> we will make a recommendation to these same delegates if we decide to go forward are really unique by partisan unity ticket thinking trump in rfk junior, pardon all with us jill stein. and i totally different bipartisan ticket >> and i was about to mention all those other names because those are really going to matter in a lot of states, at least at this point that seems very clear. rfk junior polls steadily and strongly nationally nikki haley has said that she would not run on your ticket, but she's she's been very clear about that. here's a couple of her supporters in north carolina when jeff zeleny asked them about her future and the potential of running for president. and another with another label right >> i've been intrigued for a while now at the whole notion of, of a legitimate third party thought about that a lot, pardon me really would like to see that so do you think she made a mistake to rule out an independent run >> well, that's her choice and i think she's decided that her teachers in the republican party, but listen to those haley supporters and a lot of others, you know, the polling is showing the american people 65, 70%. >> one >> another choice other than trump and biden we've been talking to some really exceptional candidates who can offer that choice. so well let's see what, the delegates friday. >> but i think this is a unique moment in history where the american people are so fed up with the two parties and the two logic of probable candidates that they're going to welcome a bipartisan unity. third choice on the ballot. and we're only going to do it if we think we can so wind. and right now are pulling those us, we can >> and that 800 delegates are we going to see that process play out or is that going to be behind closed doors? >> well, it's a virtual process. >> it >> but the chairman of the meeting, mike, rawlings, just a perfect no labels leader, former ceo of pizza hut former mayor of dallas. he will report after the convention on what happened and it will be ready to go and make a decision about a ticket within the next couple of weeks, i expect. >> all right. well, of course everyone is gonna be watching because as we know, right these, these pibil already on the ballots in so many states could already affect the entire direction of this election. senator lieberman, i really appreciate your time. thank you very much. >> you are never good evening. all right. you too >> and thanks so much for joining us. king charles starts now >> okay. mr. brothy no walk in >> the cnn studios in new york city. it's king charles we're not going to waste your time. nope. >> with gayle king >> but you can call me gail and charles barkley. >> i probably should on the night. >> cnn's own van jones. author and podcaster, coleman hughes. and from the new york times, wesley morris, in j work them. king, charles starts now >> go and go so i. pop the being here tonight, got up this morning. i said, i wonder what charles is going to where you work grayson, look, charles in our 20 tonight. >> oh, you look great girl >> you look great deal. >> i don't know if you know, normally, you know, we're sitting here and we don't make the news, but this but this past week, charles, i don't know. >> but you've been in >> the news for some comments you made on our last show. >> you remember deer, which he said, i do remember what i said. okay. we'll rotate if i see a black person walking around with trump mugs, had them a punch admin face charles, i don't get >> you really can't say that because a you don't meet i mean, that sincerely. but if you see somebody a black person with a donkey will plunge right in jail. i promise you now >> did you say exactly what you think? and you take responsibility for everything you say? yes. >> and so it's not like you just willy nilly say >> stuff for clickbait, >> right? >> always, always know the response and i always know how much gasoline and i'm putting on the >> fire. >> okay. of course. so in that vein that clip that you all, that you all just saw has been seen millions of times and there have been quite a few articles written about it. and that's before we even get to the social media comments, which look a lot like this gentleman. he's very large, ease wearing a mug shot. he's wearing a mug shot of the t-shirt or photoshops of large men wearing the t-shirt? say i here, charles barkley is looking for me. they all think that you are ready to run around punching people who vote for donald trump. now, i know when you say that that was just you making a point that's not something you would literally do going around, attacking people right? >> well, let me say it's just my camera, right. i want to make sure people can hear me. >> yeah >> number one obviously, i'm not gone gone to go around punching random strangers in the face. first and foremost, certainly people can vote for who they want to. yes, people can vote who they want to deport. i was trying to make. yeah, you know the point i was making, i when trying to make it. okay. >> when donald trump compares his plight, would that other black person that is what i had a problem with now i do want to say this. i want to make it perfectly clear. if you when tunnel trump mug shot, you off, freaking idiot. and a mole of sand freaking a dick. they won't let me say what i really want to say, but you can figure it out. it starts with an f but you are to listen. >> people can >> vote for who they want to. but to tip, tip for him to compare his plight, what that other african downing, like the term black people in america is asinine and stupid. and like i said, you guys can put on those too short, too small t-shirts like you all got them. i don't get a big size. if you're going to wear it, don't put on a medium and act like you got muscles >> but >> that is so that bother me that no, it didn't know. it bothered me because for him to compare a white begun air? >> yes. >> who is in trouble because the stuff he did? yes. now, because the stuff by black people get in trouble, stuff that happened in 100 did not deserve to do. yes. flip a hymn to compare that to black people's plight. that just stupid on their part i appreciate the job. i hope you're all gotten neil some boxes. if you're going to wear tight t-shirts around the house and somebody to take pictures. but i do i'll stick by what i said, a view where trump mug shot around. you are freaking idiot. that you aren't going to go just randomly attacked people on the street. that's that's the only point. >> unless they had a trump sneakers on to unless they had to trump sneakers on to because i have you gotten the mug shot. >> okay. >> you got the mug shot? trump stickers on you on cross over a line that you cannot get about. >> well, there are 399. some people say that's a good deal, but i was trying to help me and i said, you don't really mean that i'm not going to go around. >> i'm trying to make the point though. i'm not going to go around pocheon people. yeah, that's violence is never the answer. is that good? my message is very clear if you think donald trump is under the same umbrella, is black people use just stupid but you know what gail, we got big enough on, we get we got to move on. we had are on last week? yes. and nikki, haley, tuesday, we had she had a big announcement today. no. >> the time has now come to suspend my campaign. i said i wanted americans to have their voices heard i have done that i have no regrets >> no many people were waiting to see if she was going to endorse donald trump and she did not endorse him. well, she shared so here i'm seeing salted. she's been assaulted. he was racist toward her or talking her indian heritage. yeah. she's insulted his heart as you heard, her husband, like, i don't care if you're republican or democrat, whatever you can't just, you can't just go with party affiliation i think everybody should be an independent yeah. that's my personal opinion. >> this is a thing though charles normally in politics, you know, you have the campaign, you dust it up, people say things they don't mean. but when the race is over, you normally say okay, and i now i'm going to endorse you to her credit. people say she did not endorse him and the big story today was wilshire won't chin so far what or where or nikki haley? voters going to go when she was here, you made it clear you wanted to vote for her? yes. some questions. yes. so you would be one of those nikki haley voters who are now trying to figure out where to go. well, the reason >> i appreciate hurt hurt, his attacks on her. we're not they were personal yeah. i don't mind >> somebody disagree with me on a certain subject whether it's immigration and things like that, inflation beings, we really need to be talking about. but his attacks were personal to go out to her heritage, which is racist, which is racist to talk about her husband who's actually serving something someday he ducked. that's why i work that crosses a line. i have no problem somebody disagreeing with me on a political issue. but if you come at me personally, you can expect me to bag get my support for you after the fact that that's a different ball game. so now we have two candidates. it looks very much that it's going to be donald trump once again and joe biden, of course she's our president currently with those two choices. a lot of people have a lot of decisions to make. >> you know, what you thinking? well, i'm will have to go with president biden personally. i was looking for another choice, but i think president trump, number why he doesn't care herself, like a political leader that's my first and foremost. i do think president biden, i have a really serious issue with his age i say it that front of beginning. i have a real serious issue with his age, but i got two choices. >> and you definitely going to vote right everybody should vote. i ever bought us, you'd vote. i think people have died and i history for us to have the right to vote. everybody's had an aromatic and vote for who they want to. but we all have our own decisions to made and like right now, i don't know if anything's going to happen. with michel obama or garrett garrett news garrett newson. but right now i'm probably going to lean into heavily toward gavin newsom. >> yeah. yeah, gavin newsom he keeps saying he's not going to run. we'll see, but he keeps saying he's not going to tell obama michelle obama has made it very clear those two will have to those two with michelle and gavin would get a vote immediately and they decided to run. it'd be a listen and michelle obama, either one of those would get my vote immediately. >> neither, neither one of them are going to run, but this is the thing people always say. you have to vote for somebody and i do believe that i believe you can't just have this election and not vote and then complaint i think this one is different because because i have voted i voted for john kasich and i knew he couldn't win. but i think the disparity between these two candidates is extreme they are really extreme. >> so >> i'm probably not going right in somebody. but i'm probably going to have to go with president biden well, november they say a lot can happen, a lot can happen before november when a wheel a lot can happen. i always say fasten your seat belts. it looks like it's going to be a very bumpy ride. so nikki haley wasn't the only one that said goodbye. jason kelce. jason kelce, your friend? announced that he is hanging up his jersey. some people call them taylor swift, potential brother-in-law, actually liked that. he tearfully announced that he's retiring from the nfl on monday. his wife, kylie, his brother travis. the challenge. we're all on hand, a very emotional news conference the 36 year-old spent his entire 13 year career with the philadelphia eagles playing a crucial role in the team's 2018 super bowl victory. i know you remember that. i do. >> the kelce brothers talked about jason's decision on their podcast earlier today. erin, what was really a really nice tribute featuring, how should we say this? a very special guest? yes >> here's a look as a die-hard eagles fan man and shock watching you all these years, not just a football, your personality, just watching you, you and your family. thank you for the super bowl. you going to be still money on television at some point yeah. >> and people were commenting about how emotional he became when he became when he was announcing his retirement, i was touched that he was so emotional that didn't bother me. but there was some question about men getting emotional when they i think that too, i think then to you're not gonna get emotional about that. when can you get emotion? >> i love that when you play us. >> first of all, ever man cries, well, >> it's publicly or privately when you've had a great career when you had a great you cry? yes. >> i didn't do it public because i didn't do a press conference. i just said thank you all for everything and walked off the court. gail when you retire, you don't have a job. but then bills keep coming. >> yeah. >> and then you become quite often you're still very young, really young. >> you become an owl. we call it being an owl eye when a car like gayle, who that when you call it, people when you when you call these teams to assume like, oh, good, that's why i wanted to adjust with gaussian retire like yeah, became a all feel like they're called nike. so you can i get like leroy. and because like autos, you become irrelevant, don't you become irrelevant? and that's just a way sports are because they need your jersey for the next that's why you are very aware of compensated. but for most guys, it's a traumatic experience than all they've had. that's all you had. and you don't have a job and you still got to keep panel, you'll still a young person. but hey congratulation to him and he's a great dude and i'm happy you got to walk. normally you don't get to retire and he played for one team the whole time? yes. but i'm saying you don't normally don't get to retire when we come as a hate, can we hear i'm using it? well here, so he's wanted to luckin, want to retire on his own terms. >> those things where they say, can i see you in the office for a minute? let's talk about a player who's really just starting her career. we are talking, of course the about caitlin clark. have you seen her on the basketball court? >> the >> iowa hawkeyes basketball superstar, both the all-time ncaa scoring record this weekend and a game that got i love this bigger tv ratings in the celtics warriors, which aired on the same day on abc what do you think about that? >> well, i love that two things. i think it's incredible what she's a cutting offices. it says something bad about our sport, the nba, we need to figure out why, why people aren't, why isn't our game? no, but she's just so i think that she is so amazing well, i told you one of the things i regret. i didn't get it. i was trying to get to our city because apparently it's in the middle of nowhere. i was trying to get to see her. i want to see her play in person. probably going to have to wait two she's in a wnba next year in indiana. indiana? i think she's amazing. the only thing bothered me about the story was, water. they have to, first of all, shout out to lynette woodard and pero more. yeah. >> and this how bad were treated? well players from one form of great players open the hall of fame. we didn't even recognize their records until like a month ago when she was getting ready to break it well shout out to those two amazing ladies and handle. it was says class and dignity and get a lot of grace. you have a lot of grace. it's always been a lot of gresse. >> but >> number one, now she can read a break pearls record. i think any day now. >> but >> what really bothers me what had to compare her to pete maravich? >> because he he has a leading score. yeah. but he's leading scorer. well, first of all, he's a man. >> but isn't that what sports is charles, you know, there's different scores. >> well, we don't we don't pay as you do. we don't put a man we didn't put her in the nba in a college game. >> i think it shows it made it even more extraordinary what she's done that he'd broken, she's russia is already extraordinary, but also it doesn't, it's not fair to pete maravich's because i want he only played three years of college and they didn't have a three-point line i just thought it took away from her greaten she is great, great, great >> we don't have a you're saying don't compare it to anybody, compare women to men. we don't have to do that i mean, to me, let's celebrate her. let's celebrate her greatness, celebrating her, but i also liked the fact that she broke his record. >> why did she did break his record? but it's kind of like so you have to be fair. he only played three years and there was no three-point line. i'm celebrating her, but we don't have to like compare her to me and that's my the only problem with the situation. >> so you're not drinking a little cup of haider aid because i'm thinking it's good that she broke his record. >> well, i think it's great that she's great. okay. we don't have to have to make up fake horse and you're saying there's no need to pit them against each other's what you're saying. bag arguments on >> tv and radio, do nobody. justice, justice that's according to charles barkley. >> congratulations, kaitlan congratulates them. we both think you are terrific. we both coming up. we've got more to say about some of those mug shot comments that we were talking about earlier today we're going to talk about that. plus, what is attracting this is a question a lot of people are asking. a lot of black people were asking this question what is it that is attracting some black voters to donald trump with two political experts is a topic of conversation around the country. you're watching king charles will be right back my home girl, vip unfairly. jason council retired. how you feel about me and prime >> and sports, crying, love to see it. it's true, authentic, self, everybody cried with him and it's good to cry. >> i'm a crier myself. what is it to be? 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>> rocket money >> we touched on it earlier charles, his comments created a lot of buzz over the last few days. a conversation about donald trump, who is said his criminal indictments and mug shot have endeared him to black voters. it's been everywhere, even creating topics for some of our fellow news networks. so we talked about president biden's enthusiasm problem among black americans. but the flip side of that when is this the appeal of donald trump to certain black voters? so let's, let's talk about that with coleman hughes is doing just on stage. she's a podcast host and cnn political analysts, whose new book, the end of race politics, arguments for a colorblind america is available now, i'm always fascinated by the term colorblind. i was wondering coleman, is that possible >> also? wanting us is cnn senior political commentator van jones is here great to have you guys here >> coleman, let's start with you. what do you make of the president's comments? here you see things a little differently. >> well, yeah, you know, i don't think their offensive i'm not going to punch anyone in the face, but that doesn't mean they're right either. so if you actually if you look at it donald trump's been gaining steam amongst black voters since prior to 2020, he was the polls from 2022 before the first indictment actually showed him picking up a lot of steam to whatever the trend is is probably not the indictments. it's probably a dissatisfaction with democrats in general. you also look at him polling against other republicans, but he needs also pulling, likely though, right? so he named the name them. that's so i don't think he's right about that. right. i don't think the indictment is what is drawing black voters towards him. what do you clearly something else? what do you think it is? well, i think >> frankly could just be that first of all, this trend is a lot of younger black voters. basically it's black men under 30 that are moved moving towards the republican party, black men, basically my age, and it could just be a general dissatisfaction with the message that the democratic party is telling black people were telling they're telling black people essentially, nothing is your fault. it's all systemic racism. and that's actually not appealing to a lot of younger men. younger men were prefer to be told, your life is in your own control and you you can make your own destiny. >> why don't you think it's offensive? i think that's interesting. you said i don't think it's offensive >> i think it's like incorrect. >> it was wrong, >> but it doesn't offend me as an idea. the idea in theory that's people would rally behind trump because he's being unfairly person secured and that resonates with black people's feeling of being unfairly prosecuted as not offensive to me in theory, i just don't think it's the actual reason why people are going towards it has nothing to do with that. >> i was offended >> i appreciate your point. i was i was offended amazed the generational thing i agree with what you're saying that he does kind of had this kind of outlaw image that's going on now and that might be somewhat appealing. but i think in his mind, he associates black people were criminality. so i think in his mind, when he did with the central park and that sort of stuff. so to me, it's a tell just with the same way that he said the new new republican contender for where the governorships is dr. king times ten. that's gotten us all right. scott. all but he's black. and so that you can see in his mind crime, dr. king crime dutch king. so i was offended by that, but i think you put your finger on something very important. i do think that trump seems strong right now. >> you'll >> got people jumped on 957 lawsuits. all these felonies and stuff. if i had one thought on the ib home crying or you'd be in jail. oh, true jail. crime but that only seems to boost his popularity. >> and i just do think there right now people are hurting and uncertain there. >> you go into grocery store, you spent $300 and the food runs out by wednesday >> that doesn't feel good the world's tenth be on fire. and here's this guy who's just strong now. he's strong and wrong, but he does seem strong. and i think that that does have some appeal. and i think that we got to deal with that. i also do this, but he's also very fluid with the truth and that doesn't matter to people in there. >> you are well raised sister. she they flew with the troops. you lie >> i think you know what i mean? >> that doesn't bother you, coleman. >> oh, he's lying definitely bothers me. i didn't vote for him and i wouldn't vote for him. but for a lot of voters, i agree, view him as strong and there's actually been some polls of republicans that like him. and a lot of them agree with all of them the same criticisms that you just said, they know he's a liar, but they liked that is strong. and especially when you put them up against joe biden, who with each passing day just looks worse and worse and more and more feeble having that next to a person that is relatively strong >> because guys, i don't necessarily think it's about age. i think it's about a person's energy and a person's vitality. >> it's not the number. yeah. yeah. i don't necessarily think it's the number that's right. i think it's about how they carry them. that's exactly right bloomberg is i think in his '80s, he has >> sharp as attack. yeah. andrew, so i do think that the way that biden carries himself, his stutter, which i worked for him in the obama white house. he always had that started, but it does seem a lot worse and. so i do think that hurts. and then also on policy and we're offerings here. we can talk. >> there were things that black voters wanted and expect and hope for in 2020 police reform the george floyd policing act, but it didn't pass voting rights. the john lewis voting rights bill that didn't pass more progress on criminal justice. the equal act that didn't pass. and so it wasn't capacity emotionality in this and the other you just kinda look to charles point. what did we get for our vote? look, we the academy is better than it could've been. i love alaska. he did. but if you just look at that particular set of issues, you could be disappointed >> on the other hand, because he go back to seven, you said the reason i obviously, i'm only speaking for myself. the reason i think the democratic party, mr. biden, president biden is losing black bose's they only care about black people every four years. they come at our neighborhoods and say, we're going to make stuff better. we're going to do this, do this, do this. and then finally, us black people like hillman, other not ability to dunk a basketball all my neighbors hoods are still the same. our schools are still the same and that's why i think black people are leaving disappointed that democratic party because i know law, i'll go to democratic every time just because i thought thought it was going to help black people and poor people, black people, poor white people there in the same boat like i didn't care who the president was. i'm not going to lie, but i voted early voted republican onetime of my life now for john kasich and i don't even know he couldn't win. but then i'm starting to look like, man, i understand why black people leaving one of vote for somebody that's because every four years they come into our neighborhoods and man, we don't make things better for you. >> i think i think i think that's true. now, let's let you go. i do want to point out though that poor black folks been blown for democrats for two generations, not as much progress as you want. poor white balls been voted for republicans in appalachia and other places for three generations of four. and not that much progress. so there's a poor people problem with both parties, but i think what you highlighted might be a reason why some black voters state a home. but if we're asking why are certain black voters switching from democrat to republican? i don't think they're switching to trump or to other republicans because they think those republicans are going to actually make change. i think those voters are switching for other reasons just because they actually don't like the message that democrats percentage thing to them as black people, and especially as young black people. because again, this trend is not happening throughout black america. it's confined basically two black men under 30. >> okay. i haven't you're concerned about it, you call men do when he's 28, 20 and we're proud of you, by the way, his brother for 28 year-old, i mean, you make us proud. >> thank you, van. >> i think you're onto something and at the same time, i question this this is also the generation that's mostly on social media and often is only getting their news now through tiktok and instagram and i'm concerned that there are some concerted efforts, maybe even not from united states efforts. >> to >> push this distress and this depression. and i don't think it's just democrats run a victim narrative. i think you're saying democrats when i'm victor meredith, people don't like that that's never been that appealing. but i think there's something happening on social media where i'm seeing over and over again messages basically saying don't vote, saying why should we vote acting as if nothing has been achieved? i would say at least this. maybe you can't get what you want by voting, but you can share lose what you've got by not at least need to vote defensively. and that seems to be being pushed back on. so i think some of that might be not like in the message, but somebody might be some actual online influence operations are you concerned at all that did some stuff is artificial? >> that's certainly could be happening. i mean, i know that for a fact when they looked into the years between say, 2,014.20, 20, they saw that there were actual facebook pages created by russia, but those pages, while they were playing both sides of the equation that they were inflaming trump supporters, but they were also planning blm rallies, right? they were flaming inflaming both sides to try to destroy the country. >> but that is the russian propaganda and a model where you create polarization and then you get people so frustrated that people just kind of give up and go to the couch. and so i'm just saying there is something happening with black men some of it is the pain of going all these funerals and seeing young men after young man put it in the ground and nothing happened. some of it is this victim narrative that is coming forward that just says is almost like it's disempowering. if you're black, you just you can't do anything. it's just it's racism that we have nothing you could do. i think that is a turnoff, but there's something happening on social media that we need to look at because i've never seen this much just from a group of people who usually are the spark plugs for hoping our community. >> i will argue though, that du, blame it on social media. i don't know. i'm just saying i want i want to have a real conversation because i don't feel like all why is it happening? >> yeah, almost all almost all of the major trends of the past ten years trace in some way to social media talking about skyrocketing depression rates among youth. all of this stuff is caused by social media. but from the data i've seen, the people that use social media the most are very liberal young people. they're the highest most active users so is it that there i'm not sure they're the ones that are being pushed to the right per say. but certainly there's a major trend going on with social media. it's affecting every aspect of our lives. >> if you're in a unique position because you worked with the trump administration on some significant criminal justice reform? yes. >> do you think that that is that also adds to his appeal >> i think that it do you think he was sincere about that or do you think that that was just an all you asked me why trump did something and i know they don't pay me enough year. i don't mean to be open that up to his appeal though. >> i think there are some people that they will say these things about donald trump they'll say number one, he did do something on criminal justice and i think that that's fair. but by the way, was a bipartisan bill and so did you know we had a lot of people involved in that, but i think that's fair. you signed a bill. >> you i was going to say he seems to be proud of that. however, he's not talking about it. he's not running on it are you actually running away from it? so that's not so good. the other thing and they'll say besides the criminal justice piece is the stimulus tax that we got during the pandemic. we got stimulus checks. and i always point out, but why did you need to stamp the stimulus checks? because he so mishandled the pandemic that the whole country had to be shut down. and so that's why you got the stimulus checks. so there are some things that you can point you, but here's something else. >> nostalgia cells. >> when you don't have hope, you don't have hope about tomorrow then you say, make america great. again, that cells, when you say make america great again, the way it was just 56 years ago when you don't have hope for tomorrow. nostalgia cells. and so i think that he's playing that nostalgia card and everybody forgets how bad it really, really was during the trump years. yes. some of the numbers look good, but most of us are bad every day. that's getting washed out. and so i don't i don't have all the answers, but i will say, did he do something good on criminal justice? 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>> oh, my god. >> oh news right now. one it's like a documentary. >> but with acting is it yes >> let me ask you guys a question. >> who did you care. about in this movie? was there a person >> to access your timer? okay. i came out of that movie in googled everything i wanted to know, everything about him. i wanted to know everything about other thing about you go to these movies, then you have more questions, like you shouldn't be google and you know, it's not questions. i just wanted to no more about it. okay. that's all. >> i mean. >> listen, i really thought it done well staying what about robert downey junior >> ok. now, emily blunt just name an oscar-nominated albert >> everybody in hollywood was in them movie, which is why it's going to win nascar. >> well, because they were able to jot okay. mr. morris, who would you like to see when of the ten mr. cranky pants since you didn't care for oppenheimer, clearly, i don't hate the movie just to be clear, i just don't love it. i don't i loved it. i. love. >> of detention like courts movie i didn't like where electoral college board yeah, everybody show it was >> what name is core for the people at home court, jefferson? yes. >> is his full government names? okay. >> i do like that movie. >> okay. >> it reminds me a lot of its way of hollywood shuffle i jeffrey wright and sterling k. brown. >> i really would love america >> we call it courts movie, but the official americans, eric infection, yes. >> when sterling was amazing, yes. and jeff, right. i just love jeffrey wright. he was right. >> i think j >> j. do you cheer for care for often. i'm now i just curious you to >> yeah. i >> paid her for real. >> it's true. i mean, i did the barbenheimer duo that everybody did and we saw oppenheimer first, which was a choice but i just i enjoyed it. i found it to be riveting. it's a part of history that i don't know a lot about. the repercussions are endless and interesting. and if it was fascinating, i thought the acting was good to know what love that movie >> because if i went >> no, no, no, no. this is true. then the kid said it too. if i went to a move it for three hours and it was bad, i would have snapped. that's the true that's the true tail. there was a good movie, but three hours, they will even make three-hour movies anymore. but if you call for three hours in superhero movies, a three-hour, i'm not due to one years old, six to one. we know that to come out on the donor playing that's a three-hour flows. get you. let a lot of movies on the plane every week, you do us or whatever thing on the fly. i do desk. the best thing about delta real question is, did you watch oppenheimer on the plane? >> no, no, no. it just firms would just came out on playing like last week so he had already know i saw it in the but that's why i know it was a good movie but if you got to give three hours, it better be good. >> jay, what do you think about biance breaking into country >> that is a key change >> think about that >> you know, when is there some grumblings like is it country like is biance is country turn the oppenheimer of the music industry because it's very controversial. >> know i agree. why not? per experiment? i mean, other people have for aid into country music with no seemingly prior experience. why not let biance just play around with different genres? why are we trying to make her fit into? >> i think it's very exciting. i can't wait to the whole album comes out where you're going to say wesley, why? >> what >> look at that video >> you okay. mr. barkley? is it too much for your personal life? >> have you not seen that before >> seen before. >> so are you going to be going on girls get out the house? yeah. you may want to go to that. they don't they don't have that on a drought. >> tell you what i get a copy of king charles i can see beyonce on here >> i think his great, yeah, i do. >> i do too. i we were talking yesterday about just how beautiful these two songs are. >> yes. and how differently do >> marriage 16 carriages and texas hold us, hold them and i just think that well, i am interested in this question of not just with respect to biance, but just writ large, what is country music and how would you identify? now there's a musical logical answer to that question. but i'm really curious about when we can say he, that the reason that beyond say, is in played on country radio is racism. or these djs do play country music all day long, been like this doesn't, i don't recognize. >> you don't want to just not you think is not racist? no, no, no. >> i'm not saying it isn't charles. i'm just i'm wondering if it's possible well, okay. what about kane brown, mickey guyton? there is rucker. why did they play them? what i have a problem with biance because i i mean, what's her nashville relationship and nashville, the kissing of the rings in country music is really important, but we should re, they are playing her in the beginning, there was a little push back because a radio station didn't realize she had a country song. and then once they realized she had a countries on because when it first happened, one radio station said, well, we don't play biance. they said that before they realized she had a country, sorry. yeah. and then once they heard it was realized because they hurt. i got the backlash no. >> no, i think i think they legitimately legitimately didn't know that she had a country >> they're about as she was coming out going into requested people were calling and over again to push back against the stations to say this. country songs out. we want to hear it if it has to be >> good, it's no, number one, it's number one everywhere on all the genres it's number one. yes. >> but the way billboard in the wake of lil nas x and the controversy, that sort of the actual racism that kept him off the out of the top spot in the country. >> yeah, billboard went back and >> reconfigured how the chart work. now they tabulated the way that certain genre numbers are, are tabulated turned in went through ten. we'll board whenever treene little not x because he was black because he was gay? >> no, no, no, it's on a billboard. i mean, i'm not going to say it's not a billboard thing, but billboard was trying. >> what about the gaping which is discrimination also i might add, it could be, let's just throw all of the isms out there as a reason that he was not played on country radio, although at the time, the gay part wasn't and as a parent was not. right. >> so really what we are probably focusing a little nicer at the, at the beginning when all country old town road. >> yeah. >> it was that it did not sound the way the country nashville establishment thought a couldn't notice the horse in the video they're not watching the video. >> and then he sold to have a problem >> i mean, i'm not i like country music, but when i saw the video, i said, well, while he's on a horse but then billy ray cyrus comes along >> the thing that jim eyes is the song is being more hostile >> the horse was it was a great song. >> great, great song. >> but to jay's point, they also people, people have problem with biance and they always have, they always manned is probably arguably like gail spent her whole summer fall in biance a table, right. >> only went to force shows it's charles i went to tailor the star in the world between her and taylor swift. that is two biggest stars in the world. while you have a problem, plan her song and less like it clearly is racism. i'll see it >> i mean, i'm not afraid to say it. i just want to explore well, the other options could be right guys say aren't playing it and it's number one at the tapa country to someone on billboard >> the queen is what i hear correctly. airplay chart number is the thing you really want to look at what this song with both these songs, right? >> where on the >> country airplay chart she could be the top for the country, like russia, like the whole chart that combines streaming numbers downloads, an airplay. but i'm focused on the airplay chart because that is the choice that the stations are making about what to do with the song. >> i'm old downloads. i don't like load that video. >> like you have homework. i dale, you said you oppenheimer i'm google is all my long because i wanted to learn more about it. wesley. thank you. dave always good to see >> coming up. we're going to discuss the account. you must follow on instagram it's a brand new account. it just came last week and the year is 2024. whereas this guy ben, you're watching king charles will be our back my name is bryan. how far >> up and because of tiktok, i have the power to educate people and hopefully save lives when my son brian died and drunk driving accident, i put out a video about it and i tried to stop that young people from drinking and driving. >> no other family has to go through what we did. >> tick tock has the power to change society i think that's where the power of tiktok lies to save one person. that's one more person that contains the world to write >> there comes a time when you realized the kitchen you used to love is ready for refreshed and cabinets to go design expert help you craft the look you want with quality product in today's designer styles and colors back by your transferable lifetime warranty out with the old in with the new, it's that easy from design to install. we do it all plus get 0% cpr for a limited time visit cabinets to go.com, to schedule your free design consultation today, cabinets to go. wow, for less. >> if you have medicare and medicaid, united health care as dual complete plans come with a eukaryote the simple member card to use for your plan benefits like what kind of benefits were talking credit every month to pay for healthy food utilities, and over-the-counter items to know about. >> we're just one card. >> yep. oh me, united health care gives you the eu card and much more i'll take more, get more of what matters at no extra cost to you with a dual complete plan only from unitedhealthcare >> the edge and rash of moderate to severe eczema disrupts my skin night and day. despite treatment, it's still not under control. but now i have revoke or invoke is a once-daily pill pill that reduces the edge and helps clear the rash of eczema fast, summer invoked patients felt significant inch relief as early as two days. some achieved dramatic skin clearance as early as two weeks and many taking invoke saw clear or almost clear skin. >> rinvoq can lower your ability to fight infections including tb series infections and blood clots. some fatal cancers including lymphoma and skin heart attack stroke, and gi tears occurred people 50 and older with a heart disease risk factor have an increased risk of death, serious allergic reactions can occur to tell your dr. if you are and may become pregnant, help heal your painful skin. disrupt the pitch and rash of eczema. talk to your dr. about brynn folk >> learn how add v can help you save how does climate specter get among the most big verdicts and settlements of any law firm and the country, because climate spectrum is an >> award winning team with five dr. warriors. the most up at firm in the united states. and that's why the new york times calls klein inspector up powerhouse law firm so if a defective product, motor vehicle accident, or medical malpractice caused that catastrophic injury. call klein and specter scalp play with this anymore, he has something called us >> do our thrived is pain, its joint pain that hurts him all the time. watts now, there's labriola, the first and only once monthly injection to control your dogs oa pain, veterinary professionals administering libretto, who are pregnant, trying to conceive or breastfeeding should take extreme care to avoid health injection, which can cause allergic reactions like anaphylaxis >> the day you get your clear choice, dental implants makes every day let's dig in day a chow down day a tick, a big bite, day a perfectly delicious day >> a love my new teeth day because you're clear choice day is the day everything is back on the menu a clear choice day changes every day schedule, a free consultation i'm kaitlan polantz in washington, and this is cnn >> charles has gotten his social media. he's on instagram. >> what advice would you give me >> if you weary of the doom scroll right away? 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