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yet there are quite obviously thousands and thousands of innocent people that the idf is killing who are not members of hamas. and whether you blame hamas for embedding within the palestinian population after the october 7th brutal terrorist attack on israel or you blame the idf and netanyahu or both, this is the ugly and brutal reality of the slaughter of innocents that clarissa ward brings us now. a warning. that many of the images we're about to show you are difficult to watch. >> reporter: you don't have to search for tragedy in gaza. it finds you on every street, strewn with trash and stagnant water, desolate and foreboding. >> so we've just crossed the border into southern gaza. this is the first time we've actually been able to get into gaza since october 7th, and we are now driving to a field hospital that has been set up by the uae. up until now israel and egypt have made access for international journalists next to impossible. and you can see why. >> since october 7th the israeli military says it has hit gaza with more than 22,000 strikes. that by far surpasses anything we've seen in modern warfare in terms of intensity and ferocity. and we really honestly are just getting a glimpse of it here. >> reporter: despite israel's heavy bombardment there are people out on the streets. a crowd outside a bakery. where else can they go? nowhere is safe in gaza. >> used to be a stadium. >> reporter: arriving at the emirati field hospital, we meet dr. abdullah al nakhbi. no sooner does our tour begin when -- >> our ambulance -- [ explosion ] that's real life. >> and this is what you hear all the time now? >> yes. at least 20 times a day. >> at least 20 times a day. >> maybe more sometimes. i think we get used to it. >> reporter: one thing none of the doctors have gotten used to is the number of children they are treating. the u.n. estimates that some 2/3 of those killed in this round of the conflict have been women and children. 8-year-old janan was lucky enough to survive a strike on her family home that crushed her femur but spared her immediate family. she says she's not in pain. so that's good. her mother, hiba, was out when it happened. "i went to the hospital to look for her," she says. "and i came here and i found her here. the doctors told me what happened with her, and i made sure that she's okay. thank god." "they bombed the house in front of us and then our home," janan tells us. "i was sitting next to my grandfather and my grandfather held me and my uncle was fine, so he is the one who took us out." >> don't cry. >> reporter: but dr. ahmed al mazrawi says it is hard not to. >> i work with all people like adult, but the children, something that change you. >> reporter: touches your heart and tests your faith in humanity. as we leave janan dr. al nakhbi comes back with the news of casualties arriving from the strike just ten minutes earlier. >> they will send right now two amputated young male from just the bombing -- >> reporter: from the bomb we just heard? >> this is my understanding. they will arrive. >> reporter: a man and a 13-year-old boy are wheeled in. both missing limbs. both in a perilous state. "what's your name? what's your name," the doctor asks. the notes provided by the paramedics are smeared are blood. the tourniquet improvised with a bandage. since the field hospital opened less than two weeks ago it has been inundated with patients. 130 of their 150 beds are already full. so let me understand this. you are now basically the only hospital around that still has some beds? >> i guess so. yes. or maybe i'm very sure of that because they are telling me one of the hospital with a capacity of 200, they are accommodating 1,000 right now. and the next-door hospital i'm not very sure is like 50 to 100 has maybe 400 to 500 patients. so at one occasion he called me and said i have three patients in each bed. at least take any. i said send as many as you can. >> we've been here 15 minutes and this is already what we're seeing. >> you heard it, you see it. >> reporter: in every bed another gut punch. less than 2 years old, amir still doesn't know that his parents and siblings were killed in the strike that disfigured him. yesterday he saw a nurse that looked like his father, his aunt nakhaya tells us. he kept screaming, "dad. dad. dad." amir is still too young to comprehend the horror all around him. but 20-year-old lama understands it all too well. ten weeks ago she was studying engineering at university and helping to plan her sister's wedding. today she is recovering from the amputation of her right leg. her family followed israeli military orders and fled from the no south. but the house where they were seeking shelter was hit in a strike. "the world isn't listening to us," she says. "nobody cares about us. we've been dying for over 60 days. dying from the bombing. and nobody did anything." words of condemnation delivered in a thin rasp. but does anyone hear them? like grozny, aleppo and mariupol, gaza will go down as one of the horrors of modern warfare. it's getting dark. time for us to leave. a privilege the vast majority of gazans do not have. our brief glimpse from a window onto hell is ending as a new chapter in this ugly conflict unfolds. and jake, i do think it's worth underscoring that while we were there just for a few hours and had a measure of protection that was offered by the fact that we were with the emiratis, that they have normalized relations with israel, it's the journalists on the ground inside gaza who have been doing truly courageous and heroic, extraordinary work since this round of hostilities and they have been dying in record numbers as a result of that. the committee for the protection of journalists, the cpj, saying more than 60 journalists killed since october 7th. jake? >> clarissa, first of all, that was just a remarkable report and very distressing. prime minister netanyahu in his conversation with president biden, he brought up all the civilians that the u.s. killed in germany and japan during world war ii. it was about 80 years ago. how does the civilian death toll in gaza compare with that by the american military during more recent wars like iraq and afghanistan? >> reporter: so we've been looking through some of the numbers and talking to independent monitoring groups like iraq body count, which is run by a british researcher. according to their estimates, in the first year of the war in iraq in 2003 some 7,700 iraqi civilians were killed by the u.s. forces. now, if you look at this round of hostilities since october 7th, the death toll is at about 18,000 at the moment and 2/3 of those are estimated to be women and children. that's roughly 11,800 civilians killed in 2 1/2 months. and jake, of course, this is 20 years after the invasion of iraq. there is more precise weaponry that is available these days. and as you were noting in your reporting earlier, cnn has found that a lot of the munitions being used -- and i should add that many of these weapons are produced and supplied by the u.s. -- are so-called dumb bombs, which really are not the kind of weapons you want to be using if you are sincere in your intentions to try to protect and mitigate the cost of life to civilians, jake. >> yeah. a brigadier general in the israeli forces told congress that they have to use those to get at the hamas militants in the tunnels. be that as it may, you've been a conflict reporter for a long time now. the leaders of the israeli government say that this war is necessary to get rid of hamas, which poses a threat to israel. we all saw what they did to the israeli people. a lot of civilians. hundreds of civilians killed, slaughtered, raped and more on october 7th. we should note the idf claims that they believe they've killed roughly 7,000 hamas militants. still, even if you don't, you know, believe every number coming out of the hamas-run palestinian ministry of health, there isn't a lot of disagreement that twice as many civilians have been killed than 7,000. do you believe there could be security implications for israel in all these civilian casualties beyond killing off hamas? >> i think when you look at recent conflicts, jake, it becomes clear that often -- it sounds like a cliche. but violence begets more violence. and you are creating an atmosphere in gaza right now where it is almost inevitable that there will be a huge amount of radicalization that will take place simply because of the ferocity of the bombardment but also the fact that the people of gaza have nowhere to go. the people of gaza have nowhere that is safe. the people of gaza genuinely feel as though they have been completely abandoned by the outside world. and i've seen how this played out in syria. in scenarios like this people tend to drop to their knees and turn to much more radical forces because there is that sense of impotency that there is no other way to confront this. and you even heard echoes of that in an early speech that president biden gave where he talked about don't make the same mistakes. he put it very gently but the warning was there. don't make the mistakes that we made after 9/11. we've seen this movie before, jake. and we know how it ends. and however many hamas fighters may be killed in this round of hostilities you have to ask the question how many more are being created. >> one concern that we've heard from the israeli government about sending in more aid trucks, which is obviously one of the reasons for the misery that you just bore witness to and showed us, the lack of supplies, the lack of medical supplies, water, food, et cetera, fuel, one of the reasons why the israelis say they're concerned about sending in so many trucks is because they say hamas steals supplies, steals the fuel, uses it for their own attacks against israel. what do you hear from aid workers on the ground about that? >> so we have asked a number of aid workers on the ground about this, and particularly we've asked the main u.n. agency that works inside gaza, unrwa, and they have said that the aid goes straight from the egyptian red crescent to the palestinian red crescent to the u.n. workers on the ground and then goes out for distribution. that is not to say -- and it would be impossible for me to say categorically that some of this aid does not end up in the hands of hamas. but you surely have to do the calculation of 1.9 million people who are displaced who do not have adequate food, who do not have adequate access to clean drinking water, to medical supplies, and ask yourself the moral question of whether that becomes acceptable or not, jake. >> clarissa ward in the uae right now. thank you so much for that remarkable reporting. really appreciate it. coming up next, the wait that will now continue tomorrow in a d.c. courthouse that could cost rudy giuliani 48 million, million dollars. does rudy even have that kind of money anymore? stay with us. in our law and justice lead moments ago former new york city mayor rudy giuliani left federal court here in d.c. after jury deliberations in his defamation damages trial finished for the day. court is set to resume tomorrow. the big question in front of the jury, how much will rudy giuliani have to pay the two georgia election workers whom he falsely accused of ballot tampering in georgia? giuliani was already found liable of defamation by another judge earlier this year. cnn's jessica schneider looks now for us at the closing arguments from both sides and how we got here. >> you heard one side. stay tuned for my testimony. >> reporter: rudy giuliani promised at the start of his trial that he would take the stand to defend himself in the multimillion defamation case against him. but minutes before the final day of trial was set to start giuliani backed out. his lawyer telling the jury giuliani didn't testify because "we feel these women have been through enough." the lawyer for former georgia election workers ruby freeman and shaye moss essentially saying the contrived compassion coming too late after years of threats and harassment they say they endured because of giuliani. >> [ bleep ] racist [ bleep ] you and your [ bleep ] -- >> reporter: the torrent of voicemails freeman and moss received after the 2020 election played in court for the jury deciding how much to award the women. the judge has already ruled that giuliani is liable. now it's just a question of how much he will pay. free sxhan moss are asking a jury for at least $48 million. their lawyers pointed to these comments from giuliani outside court this week to prove that giuliani still is not remorseful. >> of course i don't regret it. i told the truth. they were engaged in changing votes. >> hello, everyone. >> reporter: giuliani first made false statements about freeman and moss after the 2020 election, including to a georgi investigating alleged but unfounded voter fraud. >> it's a tape earlier in the day of ruby freeman and shaye freeman moss and one other gentleman. i mean, it's obvious to anyone who's a criminal investigator or prosecutor they are engaged in surreptitious illegal activity, again, that day. >> reporter: the mother and daughter detailed in hours of emotional testimony on the stand how these false allegations upended their lives. they received death threats. they've been forced into hiding. and they've been turned down for jobs. they also recounted the agony for the january 6th committee. >> i've lost my name and i've lost my reputation. i've lost my sense of security. >> this affected my life in a major way. in every way. all because of lies. >> i feel like i'm defending the rights of all americans. >> reporter: giuliani has refused to back down from the lies even now, years after his rampage that the 2020 election h to overturn any election. it's disgraceful what happened. >> reporter: and giuliani spread wildly false claims. >> gee, just about the 700,000 votes that president trump was ahead by two days ago that disappeared. whew. >> reporter: and ultimately rudy giuliani might not be able to pay whatever this jury awards. for months giuliani has been buried by legal bills that his own lawyers have said he has no money to pay. and of course he's not only defending against this defamation case. he faces several other civil lawsuits. and of course, jake, he's been indicted by the fulton county district attorney for his alleged involvement in the fake electors scheme. so the jury deliberating for several hours today, they'll be back at it at 9:00 a.m. tomorrow to determine how many millions he might pay. >> could this trial impact any of the legal cases for donald trump? >> you know, most of donald trump's are criminal. of course he's facing two in federal court. he is, though, facing a defamation lawsuit by e. jean carroll. that's set to go to trial in january. so there could be some influence based on how many maybe millions rudy giuliani gets in this case. but you know, the bigger thing here is we are really seeing in this case against giuliani how much of a human emotional toll these election lies have -- the toll that it's taken on these election workers and that does relate to the election subversion case that's in federal court. potentially trial early next year against donald trump. we'll see. >> jessica schneider, thank you so much. let's continue talking about this with ken friedman. he was a spokesman for giuliani's 1993 mayoral campaign and was a consulting producer for cnn's special documentary "giuliani: what happened to america's mayor?" which is a good question. as cnn's jessica schneider just outlined, ken, giuliani was set to testify in his trial today. it didn't seem like a very wise course of action to me. just this morning his lawyers announced he would not be testifying. listen to what giuliani said about this just monday. >> you heard one side. stay tuned for my testimony. i'll be under oath. >> what do you think happened? why do you think he in the end did not testify? >> i think that he came to his senses and his lawyer wouldn't l let him get up until he agreed not to testify. all he could have done is dug himself a deeper hole. it's clear that he defamed them. he's already been -- you know, that's been substantiated. and there's this question now of what the damages are. but as jessica schneider reported, who knows if he's going to be able to afford to pay those damages along with his legal fees and other civil actions? >> and just a reminder for our viewers, it's not just ruby and shaye that say they didn't do anything improper. it is republican election officials like gabe sterling and the secretary of state brad raveffen raffensperger, trump administration department of justice officials looked into it. they didn't do anything wrong at all. period. ken, i want to play what giuliani -- just one thing he said about moss and freeman back in 2020 before the georgia state house. and then i want to butt that up against something he said this week. let's roll that tape. >> all right. >> after they say there's no fraud, look at that woman. look at her taking those ballots out. look at them scurrying around with the ballots. nobody in the room. hiding around. they look like they're -- they look like they're passing out dope. not just ballots. >> but everything i said about them is true. >> do you regret what you did to ruby -- >> of course i don't regret it. i told the truth. they were engaged in changing votes. >> there's no proof of that. >> you're damn right there is. stay tuned. >> okay. to say nothing of just the blatant racism of saying that they were looking like they were passing around dope, which is just insane, that last clip of giuliani just this week defending his actions. stay tuned. there's going to be more proof. we've been staying tuned since november 2020. there's no proof. and he's still standing by it. >> you beat me to it. that was my punchline. listen, he's also said that he has insurance on trump, and we're still waiting to hear and see that. he's defiant. as is trump. they sing from the same hymn book. and they're contrarians. and they go down swinging. convincing themselves they're right. and unfortunately, a lot of people agree with them in this country. >> ken, here's a very simple question that i have been asking people for a while now. what happened to him? what's wrong with him? because obviously -- look, there are a lot of people that didn't like him when he was district attorney and a lot of people who didn't like him when he was mayor. but this is just something else. >> well, you know, there are a lot of theories. i spent, you know, two years reporting for the documentary and four years talking and writing about him. but listen, who knows really when it comes down to it? we've all heard different theories. i believe -- >> but i'm curious -- i want to know yours. what's your theory? this is your opinion. just your opinion. what do you think happened to him? >> i have more than an opinion. it's educated opinion. i've been told things and i've seen things and i think he was seduced by trump, you know, money being a very powerful aphrodisiac to him. he had a very expensive marriage and a more expensive divorce. and it created a mania in him and a desperate need to remain relevant and have access to the presidency and to sell the office around the world and make, you know, millions and millions of dollars, which he apparently no longer has. so it's a combination of variables that contributed to his accelerated personality change. almost exponentially different than he was when i knew him. he was always intense, always focused and com mifted. but then he was very competent. he was a very effective first-term mayor. i can't see him running anything anymore. frankly. particularly not the city of new york. >> it's pathetic. ken frydman, thank you so much. appreciate your time. >> you're welcome. >> coming up next, ke

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