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tonight's candidate on that main stage was run desantis of course. tonight's setting is iowa, where many -- the mistakes as do or die. florida governor said that the polls don't tell us the full story, and that he is building momentum. among tonight's highlights, desantis said that he does plan to replace obamacare. but when we see that plan is tbd. and he forcibly went after donald trump on everything from inflation to the border to the satanic display inside of the iowa capital. with me to break down all of this that we just saw and heard, jamal simmons, scott jennings, ana navaro, and paul begala. everyone, let's get your take. let us start with you scott, how did he do? >> i thought it was the best i've seen him, really lately on the campaign. i think this format, and jake did a great job with it, is a far more instructive format, if you really care about what the candidates think about issues, instead of roman style coliseum attacks on one another. so i thought if you are an undecided voter, and you're looking for somebody to talk to you about stuff you care about, he did a great job tonight. i thought his answers on the economy, the electability question, and on immigration were all really centre cut for republican primary voters. you know, what he's fighting though is not really policy, what he's fighting is the inevitability of donald trump, and the idea that he is inevitably going to win. and really, he is also fighting the national polling showing him beating joe biden. that was the big argument in this campaign for so many months, was that trump can win. that trump can't win. and now republicans see these polls that show trump winning, and the whole idea of strategic voting, i want to vote for the person i sort of like, they have a better chance of winning, that flies out the window with trump winning. but overall, i thought desantis had a true night. >> well i would have to say, i think i walked in -- came in with very low expectations for the governor of florida. i thought that he met my low expectations, and maybe got a little bit more, right. he seemed more comfortable than i thought, then i had seen him before, he seemed a little bit more, a little bit more personable, a little bit more confident. but he still has ideas that don't make any sense. for instance, on immigration, he thinks that we should tax the money that mexican immigrants send back home to their families. now isn't the point of our immigration reform that people should be able to stay home, be with their families, be near the people they love, and not have to come into the united states to have a better life? so, why would you lower the amount of money they will be able to get for their families over here? it just doesn't make any sense from a policy perspective. so all kinds of things that he said tonight, they just don't seem to really make sense. >> yeah i would say stylistically as well. now obviously, my wife ten seconds go just texted me and said, he's much less robotic. and it's kind of like grading on a curve. my answer is yes, a. i. is getting better every single day it's almost lifelike. [laughter] we shouldn't grade him on the curve, he wants to be the commander-in-chief -- the leader of the greatest country on the world history. he just, he's just not getting it done, i'm sorry. he was better than usual. >> it may not be enough. i mean where we are, ahead of the iowa caucuses. >> well listen, i'm shocked i'm saying this, i think people are going to be shocked that i'm saying this, because i truly don't like this man. i live in florida, i've lived under him for five years now, and i particularly--these last couple of years, i think he's been awful. today, i think he was strangely close to human. and, like scott, i agree with scott, i think this is the best i've seen him of late, that's a very low bar. but this is the best i've seen of him, i think this is a very good format for him. i'll tell you what i didn't hear him do today, i didn't hear him say the word woke. i didn't see him go after disney. i didn't hear him go after drag queens. i didn't hear him go after black history. i didn't hear him try to defend a positive side of slavery. he was talking about substantive policy issues that the american people and the people of iowa care about, not stupid, manufactured culture wars, which is what he thought was going to win him over. >> and that is a really important point because it has been a little over a year since he won his reelection in florida, and his candidacy has changed dramatically. and in some ways, he is battling on the turf now of just every other republican, including donald trump. and he took it really to trump in quite a lot of ways tonight that is different than we've seen. he said when trump gets off of the teleprompter, you don't know what he is going to say. good enough? >> no. here is the reason why. he doesn't have an indictment of trump. there is no thematic point he is trying to make about trump. it's a scattershot approach. every time trump does something, he has to say something. the one thing you can you could say about nikki haley is that she is very consistent from the beginning, and she says listen, we need a new generation of leadership, let's leave the old drama behind. so every time he does something, she fits into that framework. that's not what desantis is doing. what desantis is doing is just taking a pot shot of trump everything trump does a little thing wrong, which makes it harder for the viewer and the voter to know exactly what your argument is about why desantis should be paid more than trump. >> i disagree. i think his main theme on trump's he's a different person today than he was when he ran in 15 and 16. he said it tonight, he said back then it was about america first, it was about you, now it's more about him. the one answer on trump that i thought was the most interesting, because it's aimed squarely at the people who showed up at the iowa caucus, was on abortion. and he hit trump on flip-flopping on abortion, which was really squarely aimed at those voters. but then, but then, when he got the follow-up about the texas case, and he talked about the law that he signed with the exceptions, he didn't exactly comment on the texas case, but i thought that answer was pretty deft, actually, in pointing out that he has been a consistent pro-life candidate, but that question about exception, that just -- in our governors, race where our republican was for the current state law, which doesn't contain exceptions. but the heartbeat bill in florida does, and he signed it. and i thought that was pretty smooth the way he threaded that needle. >> so i actually thought agree with you. i think that shot he took at trump and the abortion decision for those social conservatives was a very effective thing. the problem that ron desantis has is that you get one chance to cause, create a first impression, and he's made that first impression now. and his campaign has that certain stench of political death that is very hard to get rid of. the other problem he has, i think on this abortion issue is, i wish someone had pushed back on him on this is we had a very similar case to what's happening in texas in florida, in march. a woman named deborah -- who was carrying a child that had no kidneys, and was sure to die and because of the laws in florida, because of the lack of exceptions, because doctors are terrified of being criminalized, of being sued. because of all of that, this woman had to carry that baby to term in florida. and because she didn't have the money to go out of state. and, hold that baby for 90 minutes while it gasped for air, in her arms. to me, that is something that ron desantis needs to explain, ken paxton and governor abbott need to explain. because women in this country deserve an answer as to the cruelty, and the idea that these men in the capitols of these states are telling women what is health care, and what is not. >> he described it as extremely rare, but it's actually the rare cases that make the point, when the state itself is being inflexible. >> i think all in all, it was still his best moment, i think scott's right. it just two republican primary voters, i don't think it helps him at all in the general election, and all the astoria by the general election. to put it in your context, one year ago, just for context. this is the stench of loss of death that you talked about. one year ago, ron desantis was beating donald trump 56 to 33. he was 23 points ahead of trump, a year ago in the polls. today, he is 48 points behind, that's a 71 point erosion after going to all 99 counties, spending $50 million, that could've cost him 71. >> he did say today he was the only candidate who could beat trump providing no evidence of course >> while he's like -- >> his point is that it's unlikely, in his view, that a candidate who came in the old republican party before trump can muster enough support to beat trump in the current iteration of the republican party. his point is, he is able to draw from both the pre-trump era, and also appeal to people who have gotten used to the trump style of the republican party. the problem with this argument is of course, the polls. trump is crushing in iowa, trump is crushing in new hampshire, trump is over 60% nationally. i mean, it would be unheard of, unprecedented for someone with trump's lead, at this point in the campaign, to lose the nomination for his party. and, the trump people will tell you that for all of the trying that's going on in iowa, their organization is solid, they've got a very high floor that they think they start with, the people who are showing up no matter what. and i still maintain, regarding the consolidation question that came up, that i was not big enough for desantis and haley, and new hampshire is not big enough for haley and kristie. but as long as that circumstance remains, trump is squarely in the driver's seat here. >> do you think, jamal, that this is the moment for desantis, that he has to perform otherwise is not going to happen in iowa? >> oh this is obviously the moment for him to get this right. what happens in campaigns is, there's a moment where, as you get towards the end of the year, people start to take off. you see somebody, it happened to barack obama. it happens to these candidates. he's got to do it now, or it won't happen. one of the reasons i had low expectations tonight isn't because--i don't think ron desantis has any idea how to run for president. he is not really a leader. so, at the beginning of his campaign, the trump forces spent $13 million to define ron desantis. everything that we know about ron desantis comes from donald trump in his people telling us that ron desantis was robotic, wasn't really a good person to follow. he didn't have the charisma, right. they set that stage early. i think that this is another example of ron desantis not really being able to just perform on the presidential stage, in the way that winners do. >> so the other problem he has is, listen, he talks about nikki haley being an establishment candidate, but he also is an establishment candidate who depends on big donors. and a lot of those big donors have now moved on. they were quick to be with him at the beginning, he had a lot of the big republican whales with him in the beginning. they saw a disastrous campaign, a disastrous campaign launch, and it only got worse from then. and they have moved on, and ron desantis is not donald trump, who's got a bunch of small donors that buy pieces of his, whatever it is, sacred suit that he that he wore to court. [laughter] they know that ron desantis, he doesn't have the charisma to have an army of small donors. he needs to depend on special interests and large donors, and they now see him as damaged goods. >> so here's where we are now, we are on the cusp of iowa and new hampshire. we've got an iowa governor who has just endorsed ron desantis, and a new hampshire governor today, chris sununu, endorsing nikki haley. what does that create for the early part of this republican primary? >> well, i think scott alluded to this. the best possible situation for mr. trump, right. so i think desantis might be a little bit stronger in iowa. if he's smart, he'll close on abortion. it was his best answer tonight. over christmas, all of those iowans are snowed in, they will be watching tv. i saw mike huckabee did this, he ran an ad. and with a cross on the window. it was a brilliant ad. and but, if he does that, nikki haley is in a much better position in new hampshire, where independents can vote, and she's a lot stronger there. and so once again, the opposition of trump's divided, it's going to allow trump to conquer. >> the trick for him is just to get close. i mean, i think it's unlikely that trump will be beaten. so, if you are desantis, and i guess the benefit of being way down in the polls that you could beat expectations more easily. but that's the trick here, he has to get close enough to make it seem like there's still air in the balloon. and if trump wins this thing by 20 plus points, it's going to feel very deflated, not just for desantis, but it's going to feel deflated for haley, for anybody else who's in this race. >> the all-time republican record in iowa is winning by 13, bob dole in 1988. trump is winning by 27 can he hold that, i don't know. but when i say he's got to win by more than 13, that sounds ridiculous. >> iowa is more valuable than the person like barack obama, who is not expected to win, surges to the front, and then it catapults them through the early primaries. so if that doesn't happen, then it could be over. >> yeah, and here is the trick. you know, i learned a lot about politics from paul begala when i was first starting out in this game. but, there are rules that we all think about, right, the future is more important then the past, or elections aren't rewards for great behavior. donald trump seems to have taken all of those rules, and thrown them away. so as we think about what's happening in politics, in the trump era, nothing else seems to matter. 13 points -- we might see that smoked. we've got an 82-year-old president running in the democratic side, all sorts of things are happening, it's wild out here. we don't know what's going to happen. >> one other thing about the trump campaign in iowa that i think is, i think it is their best campaign team they've ever had. he's run three times now, this is the best campaign leadership they've ever had, they are the most organized they've ever been. they've got all of the levers in place, and they have shaped this republican primary, not just in iowa, but in state parties across the country, this is the best prepared he's ever been going into any of these elections. and so if you are desantis or haley or these other challengers, taking on a former president who is very popular among your party is tough enough, but then to run up against the most well organized operation he's ever been able to put together? all of these issues aside, they are prepared for this election, in a way they've never been before. >> and it's a former president, who views ron desantis like a chihuahua yapping at his ankles, right. he's not even bothered by ron desantis anymore, he doesn't even retort. >> ron desantis, when he started out, he wanted to run against joe biden, now he's running against donald trump and nikki haley. we heard him attack nikki haley repeatedly in this debate, pretty aggressively. >> abby, he's running against ron desantis. he's trying to change the narrative, he's trying to change the perception that people have created nationally in iowa, in new hampshire, in the early states, about ron desantis being robotic, being awkward, being a broken record with one tune on it, woke, woke, woke. he's trying to change that, that perception. he's running against ron desantis. >> does it, and i was making this point, he's moved away from all the controversial stuff. in some ways tonight, no red flags on a lot of different points. it boring good for desantis at this point? [laughter] >> it used to be. i think mr. trump, say what you want about him, he's exciting. [laughter] you know, in the same way that a category five hurricane is. he's exciting, he's compelling. but i do think that, if governor desantis wants to beat mr. trump, he's got to beat him. and he hit him harder than he ever has tonight, but he left a lot on the table. he pulled his punches, for example, when he was talking about the rise in antisemitism, which is something as a florida governor he does know and care a lot about. he didn't mention that in his very state, mr. trump had dinner with nick fuentes, who's somewhat controversial. >> well, that's because he's trying to preserve the trump base, right. >> i don't know. >> he said so today. >> look, i think trump is entertaining, but he's also likable. i mean listen, republicans like donald trump, even the people who think maybe we should move on are like, well, i like donald trump. i like what he did, i think he seems a good guy who came along at the right time, and he smash the clintons and smashed smashed the media. desantis's game is not likability. desantis's game is just constantly churning out center cut conservative republican content, that every republican watching would say, sounds pretty good to me. now, the question is, is being right on virtually every policy good enough, or do you have to have that other gear, which trump has, and no one else in the race has. >> well, i'm not sure conservatives would say going after the largest employer in florida, disney, over having a different opinion than the governor, is a conservative value. and ron desantis has a big problem right now, which is that donald trump is beating him like a conga drum, in florida, where people know him best. >> i mean, he got a lot of praise for that on conservative media. but, the voters it's just, perhaps not enough. everyone, stick around for us. tomorrow, don't miss dana bash's joint interview with nikki haley and governor chris sununu of new hampshire, about that endorsement we were just talking about. that will be on inside politicis at noon. and also tomorrow, i will be hosting a town hall with republican presidential candidate vivek ramaswamy,y, in iowa. you can catch that at nine pm eastern, only right here on cnn. and up next for us, rudy giuliani's tripling down on defamatory remarks about two georgia election workers, as one of them testified that she feared being lynched. plus, why american foreign policy is now rapidly changing, as a rift developed between israel, and the ukrainian president gets the cold shoulder over on capitol hill. and, some reaction to conservatives saying the president of harvard kept her job only because of her race. this, is cnn's special live coverage. we just witnessed a very revealing cnn town hall with ron desantis tonight. he forcefully attacked the former president of the united states, donald trump, on personal and on policy terms. and in some instances, the florida governor also strayed from the truth. tom foreman joins me now with a fact check of some of the governor's claims. tom? >> abby, one of the things that he went after is something that seems to worry everyone in this country, and has for quite some time now, gas prices. listen to what he said. >> we are going to have an energy boom in this country. we are going to be independent, we're going to be dominant, we're going to lower your gas prices, and we're going to lower energy costs altogether. >> well, that sounds a grand idea. the problem is the united states under president joe biden is producing more oil than it ever has, more than it did under donald trump. it is now the leading oil producer in the world. and yet, the price of oil is governed by the world market. so you cannot really separate it from the conflict in ukraine, from opec saying they're going to cut back on some of the price of the production out there, which would drive prices up. so, though that may sound like a great promise, other presidents have made that promise before. it doesn't really come true because of the nature of the oil market, abby. >> that is a very common one, you hear that from candidates all the time. but the facts remain what they are. there was also this discrepancy when it came to food prices. what did he say about that? >> yeah, that's something that really took off for a lot of consumers. i think really it sort of started during covid, but then it went from there, and people have really worried about it. look what he said about what has happened to food prices. >> the groceries have gone up way more than 10%, they've gone up 50%, 75%, maybe 100 percent. >> no they haven't. they have definitely gone up, there's no question about that. but for the year ending in november, the numbers are 2. 9% increase. and even if you take it back to november of 2019, since then, overall up 26%. that's a big number, and that's important, that hurts a lot of families out there, no question. but it's not 50%, not 75%, not 100 percent. >> definitely not 100 percent. >> what about what he said about nikki haley, and retirement ages, is that accurate? >> listen, this is the third rail of politics, to talk about what you're going to do for entitlement programs for older voters who are also usually very reliable voters. he went after nikki haley and said, oh she's coming after you seniors, listen to what he said. >> what she has said, nikki haley, she has claimed that the retirement age is way way too low. that's what she said. >> so, medicare, social security, things like that, the thread is oh you can't retire, you can't you have to get them later, which effectively amounts to cut in those benefits. here is the problem, back in 2012, when he was playing the congressional game, he said it was unsustainable to allow seniors to retire in their late 60s. so he too was saying the age has to go higher. nobody is talking about current recipients, but in the future, a little much to be throwing stones on that when he was hit by some of those stones himself, abby. >> all right, tom foreman, thank you for all of that. and today, dramatic testimony on rudy giuliani's defamation trial. an election worker at the center of a conspiracy theory, describes how she now lives in fear. next, we will play a threatening voice mail that she received. first time i connected with kim, she told me that her husband had passed. and that he took care of all of the internet connected devices in the home. i told her, “i'm here to take care of you.” connecting with kim... made me reconnect with my mom. it's very important to keep loved ones close. we know that creating memories with loved ones brings so much joy to your life. a family trip to the team usa training facility. i don't know how to thank you. i'm here to thank you. tonight, a jury is weighing what price to put on losing it, and how to quantify the pain in dollars and cents. that jury heard testimony today from shaye moss, you remember her, she's the georgia election worker that rudy giuliani admitted to defaming with lies like these. >> how can i say there's no throw, look at that woman. look at her taking those ballots out, look at them scurrying around with the ballots. nobody in the room, hiding around. they look like they're--they look like they're passing out dope, not just ballots. it is quite clear they are stealing votes. >> moss took the stand, and described nothing short of a personal tour through several circles of hell. through tears, moss said that she's lost her job, she's entered therapy, she's scared to leave her home. her whole family has been scared by these lies. she feels trapped, helpless, surrounded by lies, and like the worst mom in the world. now, moss testified that she now lives in fear, fear that she'll be lynched. quote, i am most scared of my son finding me or my mom hanging outside my house on a tree. that fear is not unfounded, not after the jury heard voicemails like the ones we are about to play for you, voicemails left by people who bought into these lies, as told by rudy giuliani. voicemails that threatened racial violence, imported straight from jim crow. >> hey ruby, you're going to prison y [ bleep ]. you're going to go to [bleep] prison. you're gonna sit there, you're gonna live with the [bleep] you piece of [bleep] and [ bleep ]. >> i hope you get caught, and you're gonna go to jail. have a nice life, what's left of it you have. we're going to find you, and were going to [bleep] all that you sell. [inaudible] >> miss moss and her mother have asked the jury to make giuliani pay to the tune of as much as $43 million for smearing their names. and next, some conservatives are slamming harvard university for keeping its president after her testimony to congress. and they say that she is only staying because of her race. nikole hannah-jones joins me live to respond, next. plus, we have that agent that has america talking tonight. you're probably not easily persuaded to switch mobile providers for your business. but what if we told you it's possible that comcast business mobile can save you up to 75% a year on your wireless bill versus the big three carriers? did we peak your interest? you can get two unlimited lines for just $30 each a month. there are no term contracts or line activation fees. and you can bring your own device. oh, and all on the most reliable 5g mobile network nationwide. wireless that works for you. it's not just possible, it's happening. tonight, the president of harvard is keeping her job, and some conservatives say it's only because of her race. harvard's top governing body issued a statement of support for claudine gay just days after her testimony about antisemitism on college campuses, testimony for which she later apologized. but some critics are calling out the decision not to oust her. christopher rufo, a conservative who has been a critic of things like critical race theory writing, quote, harvard has sacrificed its academic integrity on the altar of intersectionality. another conservative commentator, ben shapiro writing in part, quote, if they fired her, that would call the entire dei scheme, a scheme that is the entire reason she was hired, into question. few people know what it's like to be on the receiving end of this kind of right-wing criticism of academic teaching more than our next guest, nikole hannah-jones. she's a pulitzer prize-winning new york times magazine writer, and the creator of the 1619 project. you might remember that she was denied tenure at the university of north carolina due to backlash from conservatives for the 1619 project. now, u. n. c. later reversed that decision, but she went on to accept a position in washington, here, at howard university. nikole, thanks for joining us. so nikole, what do you make of the fact that this was striking to me, some of the same voices who are your toughest critics are the ones who are claudine gay's toughest critics, and the loudest voices calling for her ouster. do you think that these two things are related, this idea of pushing back on diversity and inclusion in higher education, and getting the president of harvard ousted from her position? >> oh, absolutely. so, they are using the guise of pretending that this is about concern over antisemitism, which is of course something that all of us should be concerned about. it really just furthers their propaganda campaign against racial equity. so, when you think about the fact that harvard, this nation 's oldest university, had about a 370-year explicit racial quota of only hiring white men to be the president, it's laughable to think that the first ever black woman following that unbroken line of white racial quotas is the one who's unqualified. i mean, this is kind of the beauty of how racism works. if you are black and you don't achieve, if you don't succeed at the highest echelons, it's because you're lazy and you're not smart enough. if you do achieve, and you do succeed, and you do rise to the top of your profession, it's because you didn't deserve it. so, as tony morrison says, this is all really a distraction. chris rufo is not a serious person, he is a person who has been trying to attack what he calls dei, but really it's any efforts to address racial inequality. he has explicitly said that he does propaganda work. the fact that we are all talking about it means that he is being successful. >> what do you make of the fact that there were all of these university presidents who were criticized, she wasn't the only one. but the other presidents weren't criticized because they were women, they were criticized because of things that they said or did. she is being singled out as someone who is only surviving because of her race. what did you make of that? >> well, it's racist. i mean, we have no one as--no one has produced a shred of evidence that shows that the sole qualification that president gay had was that she is a black woman. that's insulting, it defies logic. and the fact that of those presidents who all came under intense scrutiny, that only one has been called out as a so-called diversity or affirmative action hire, just speaks to what black women in this country have gone through historically, and continue to go through every day. she's clearly qualified, and really i'm perplexed to try to figure out what does race have to do with the criticism that she hasn't handled the protests on her campus correctly. they just see this as an opening to further sell racial division, and to further their campaign of trying to attack any efforts around diversity, and anti-racism. >> why do you think she ultimately survived when others didn't? >> well, i hope that she ultimately survived because the board of trustees at harvard has courage and common sense. the same people who say that we have a repressive campus culture that doesn't allow for disagreement and free speech when someone doesn't agree, when they don't agree with or doesn't do the type of speech that they like, they are more than happy to try to expel that person. i mean, that's clearly what happened to me. we cannot have academic freedom, where we have settings that we have to worry about, major donors and people who have political motivations determining who can provide leadership on a campus. she had the support of her faculty, and she had the support of her student body. and it looks like she has the support of the board of trustees, because she is qualified. and there is no reason why she should have been ousted. i hope that we will see courage in the face of these type of political campaigns. >> you raised something that i want to get your take on. because, one of the criticisms of what's happening on the campuses right now is that students, for a long time, have kind of said we need safe spaces, we need to ban hate speech, ban speech that is violence, speech that they described as violence. do you think that there is any truth to this idea that if you're going to have those lines drawn for every other minority groups, those lines should still be drawn for jewish students as well? >> well, one, i would push back on this idea that we've ever seen this pervasive censoring of other types of speech on campus. campuses are places where students protest all types of ideologies that they don't like, that's part of what the campus experience is like. so certainly jewish students should feel safe, they should feel protected, they should feel protected like any race or religion. but i don't think that it's true that there's been this campus culture of intolerance, that's only favoredracial minorities. i am sure, like excuse me, like myself, you talk to black students, you talk to other marginalized students, and they don't always feel safe to be able to express themselves or their opinion either. they don't always feel welcome. these campuses being painted as these kind of liberal bastions, i just don't think it's true. i don't think that it's an adequate description of the experience of many students. >> all right, nikole hannah-jones. we appreciate you joining us on all of that, you are, and have been, really the tip of the spear on a lot of, this so you know better than most what it's like to be in claudine gay's shoes tonight, thank you. >> thank you so much. >> and from undrafted free agent to starting rookie quarterback, tommy devito is breaking records for the new york giants and going viral in the process. but it's actually his agent that's getting a lot of attention tonight. he will join me live, next. it's all nfl fans could talk about today. tommy devito, the undrafted rookie who led the new york giants to victory over the green bay packers with a last-minute game-winning drive. but it wasn't just devito who stole the show, it was also his agent, sean stellato, who along the sidelines, donned a black and silver pinstripe suit, an all black fedora, and all-gold jordans. and the internet exploded. the memes were everywhere. sean stellato is here with us now. sean, so good to see you, thanks for joining us. >> thank you for having me abby. >> i thought i lost you there for a second, but you'll call back. sean, there is that phone again. everyone wants to know, who were you talking to on the sidelines in that viral moment? >> i was trying to get a deal done, and it was supposed to happen earlier in the day, and then i admit, it's a ritual when i'm on the road, i talk to my 5-year-old daughter before bed. and so, it was actually two calls being made. >> i have a question for you on that a little later. but, you really put on a show of your own with your sense of style there's been a lot of godfather references for both you and tommy. what do you make of that? >> you know, look, we're very proud of our italian heritage, very proud of our roots. and let's face, the wind was blowing that night, and i thought it was a perfect night for a fedora. i'm superstitious, and last time i wore the suit was draft day, and the time before that, my quarterback 2 years before had the greatest east west performance in history of the game. so i just felt that it was monday night football, you gotta bring out that tough look. and you're going up against a tough packers team. so, we had a little fun with, it and i'm so proud of my client to do what he did on monday night football. i'm happy for the team, and the organization. >> yeah, i bet you are proud. but i that his parents and his family are even more proud. you were with the devito family watching him play. his dad actually gave you a big kiss, i don't blame him after that performance. [laughter] you gave him one back. >> i'm a reciprocator, and i figured it would only be proper to give him a kiss back. but he did break the ice. and yeah, he gave me a big smooch. and look, us italians, we talk with our hands, we hug, we kiss, we love our fashion and our fine dining. so, there is a lot of emotion and a lot of excitement. and to be able to experience it with such a special family was putting the icing on the cake. but it was a special moment. >> so peyton manning actually threw some shade your way. listen to what he said. >> look at devito. who is this guy? who is he talking to? okay, whatever you need, i got you, i'll take care of it, all right. >> come on tay, that's his agent, of course that's his agent, come on, tommy devito's agent. >> it's in the bag, what's in the back, i want to know what's in the bag? >> some colors for later in no, it looks like. >> it looks like johnny fontaine from the godfather. >> what[ laughter ] do you say? >> wow, he did throw some shade. all good, peyton's well respected. and i know he was having fun with it a little bit. i know peyton, i don't even know if he's seen the godfather. i did know they showed that at -- [laughter] >> that's some shade right back at him. so, one of the interesting things, you talked about this a little bit, tommy devito, it's just quite a story, that's why everybody is so into it. he is a rookie quarterback, he still lives with his family, his mom makes his bed, he's known for his sandwich choices. talk to us about what this has been like for him. >> you know, it's a big transition going from college to the pros. tommy is a very intelligent young man, and the fact is, he's really close with his mom. and most italian mothers, they want their kids to stay in the house at least till they are 35. and i think he's comfortable there. look, he doesn't have to pay for rent, financially it's a smart move. and i just think it's a way that, look it's local boy makes good. he's playing for his hometown team, and what he's doing is just unbelievable, for all the people of new jersey, all the people in new york, all the giants fans. he's the poster child for the underdog, and he hasn't forgot where he came from. and that's, that's a common practice in new jersey is a lot of 25-year-olds are still living at home. and i think that's from having a great upbringing, and that's a testament to his mom and that they've made it where he doesn't want to leave. and, that's something. >>g some deals on the phone during that game. big deals ahead for your client? >> yeah you know, we have some exciting things in the pipeline. and we're picking and choosing. and he's very conscientious of the companies he works with, and the brandes he is gonna align himself with. and, we are excited to continue to evolve. obviously, the main focus is on new orleans right now. and, i'm excited for that, for him. >> all right, sean stelatto, thank you. and good luck to you, and to your client, tommy devito. thanks so much. >> i appreciate it. and i gotta tell you, i was making an offer on that phone they could not refuse. i love that, thank you for giving us a little bit of that. thank you so much. >> my pleasure. all the best abby, thank you. >> and thank you for watching news night. laura coates live starts next. well, rudy giuliani is doubling down on lies that landed him in hot water in the first place. like lies having a mother and daughter fearing for their lives, tonight on "laura coates live." so there is a lot going on in the world. we all know this. you probably have been drinking through a fire hose when it comes to all the important news. but let me just tell you, if you're looking for the one thing to take away froal

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