giving sloan a run for his money, laura. handing it over to you,. now >> reporter: oh man, to be nine years old again and go toe-to-toe with sly stallone. >> somebody get him a deal. >> reporter: thanks abby, great show. bomb making materials, an i.s.i.s. flag, and a 16-year-old suspect. tonight on laura coates live. all right, there is a chilling story that just came out tonight about a potentially deadly terror plot that was foiled. it happened in las vegas, but the really frightening part, the suspect i'm talking about -- drivers license or about getting their -- or tiktok followers, the 16-year-old is in custody tonight. arrested for allegedly making a terrorism threat on social media. now, the cops say the suspect claimed he was beginning lone wolf terror attacks in las vegas in support of i.s.i.s.. >> we were able to identify the suspect and the location within hours of identifying the threat. the suspect is a 16-year-old juvenile, was local to the area, a recent convert islam. >> reporter: within hours, wow. and what police say they discovered at his home might just be the tip of the iceberg. he had a handmade ices flag, propaganda, components for building an improvised explosive device, but there is so much we don't know tonight. what would push a teenager, a 16 year old to allegedly make a threat just like this? what was the plan, by the way? was there a specific target and how did the cops athwart it in a matter of hours? we cannot, of course, put any of this in the vacuum. it's no coincidence what we are seeing with the rise on social media, the plot coming amid so many horrifying images online of the death, destruction in gaza. and as the war rages in the middle east, how do we deal with the threats right here at home? and what role does social media play in all of this? a question so many are asking again tonight, is it the symptom, the problem, or the cure? joining me now cnn chief law enforcement and intelligence analyst john miller. john, i, mean this is a 16 year old kid in vegas. how does someone that young get motivated to commit an act of terror? >> we're seeing more and more of that. i was out in las vegas, just in june, with sheriff kevin mayo from clark county sheriff's office. deputy chief dory corn, head of the counterterrorism bureau, and we are talking about just this, which is radicalization, propaganda, how slick it has become, how sophisticated it has become, and that was before there was a war going on between israel and gaza that was generating the kind of heart wrenching images on both sides of that battle that fit into this propaganda and can bring people to mobilization towards violence after being radicalized and then operationalize-ing that, which we saw here. radicalization online, mobilization of violence, and then taking those steps to get the bomb making components, the timing and power unit, the initiation systems, the studying for the chemicals to develop the explosives that would go without. what we don't know is what the target was, what we're not certain we had chosen one. yet based on what we had seen in the public documents. >> reporter: so how close was he to actually carrying any of this off? he had the target, and i do wonder about how they were able to thwart it. they said a matter of hours, our able to pick up on this? >> that is a combination of factors. in las vegas, they have the joint terrorism task force with the fbi, where they have their deputies and police officers. but they also have nevada counterterrorism fusion center, which is a scanning constantly for these threats. and then there is the site intelligence group, it is a profit we funded group that literally spent all day looking on message boards and chat rooms and places that are very hard to find your way into, where people believe that they are not being looked at by others, and they were able to flag this also. so you had this also coming from the las vegas metro investigation, people who are on the lookout for the stuff all the time, and his bold statement about, you know, i am going to strike in the name of i.s.i.s. and the scientists in this town, las vegas, are going to know about. it it gave it a sense of urgency. >> reporter: john, it's unbelievable to think about this happening in any place. i do wonder how broad the different structures you talk about, even outside of nevada. thank you for joining us tonight. i want to bring in cnn senior law enforcement analyst and former fbi deputy director, andrew mccabe, also here is julia kyan, former department of homeland security official and an international security analyst. amid a start with you here. juliet, this was the 16-year-old. alleged to be affiliated with i.s.i.s., of all things, talking about lone wolf scenarios. are these sort of scenarios the biggest threat right now when it comes to domestic terrorism? >> he is younger than the normal threat, we generally look at 20 to 25-year-olds, white males. we don't know his ethnicity, he is only described by our reporting as a recent convert to islam. so we don't know his background. this is young, but it's not young in terms of access and identification and growing a sense of community throw social media. we certainly see that in teenagers. so that is not surprising, i actually think that is youth is a sign of two things. one, he is affiliating with the last war. focusing on isakson's, honestly, a little dated now. so used to start to wonder if it's accessed information, is he just getting stuff from the internet. the other is that, as john miller reported, easily they were able to capture him. he was not sophisticated in hiding what his intentions were and they clearly have him on serious charges at this stage. >> reporter: andrew, when you think about that, it occurs to so many people, okay, they were able to, and thank goodness, thwart whatever attack this might have been. but you have been in law enforcement, look at the scope of the landscape of all the needles in the proverbial haystacks. . is there a way to try to strategically deter and prevent, or even identify these kinds of threats? >> sure. there are several ways to do that work, and it really takes you back to 2015. that to spring and summer of 2015 when i.s.i.s. was really at the peak of their effectiveness in terms of marketing and social media propaganda. and we had a wave of american who are responding very powerfully to that and attempting to join, attempting to travel to affiliate with the group, to fight for the group in syria and find these people across the country. many different ages, backgrounds, a different religious experiences, different educational backgrounds, they really look like a complete cross section. it is incredibly hard to stay in front of these threats as they start to develop, but it should also say, laura, this really proves the thing that we were all concerned about in the immediate aftermath of the hostilities breaking out between israel and hamas. that a moment like that provides incredible inspiration for like-minded people around the world, for extremists who are moving down, as john talked about, that path of radicalization. seeing those images and, of course, identifying with the plight of the palestinian people is something that is a traditionally as been a theme that motivated bin laden to start al-qaeda, it was a significant motivation for the leaders of i.s.i.s., so this is not new. it is something that we should expect to see more of. >> reporter: juliet, when you think about that, for many people they might not know that correlation and that history, or what was the impetus for a number of different movements. but they are, as you talk, about reading what is happening now. one of the places that they're gaining information from, and i use the term information at times very generously here, the role of social media is playing in disseminating whatever information is actually coming. out whether incorrect or just plain false or far more sinister, not just by default. we talk about the role of social media. what could be done, or is there enough being done to try to warn about these kinds of threats? >> so, the short answer is no. we know this and not all social media is the same. so the data and polling shows that most young people are getting their information about the war on tiktok, and so most of us of a certain age are probably not on tiktok, so they're to getting that information, filtering in tiktok is not vigorous. so they're going through information not validated information, imagery that may be fake, actually, and some of it is not clearly in terms of what it is that they are capturing and seeing and therefore getting radicalized on it. at the same, time some of the legacies social media platforms like twitter, x, have really stopped filtering. so they are sort of a cesspool of hate. and we look for rational explanations of, well, they believe this, they believe that, and this person does this. the truth is that these just become cesspools of hate and there is no sort of clear delineation between this group or that group. and somebody who would have a propensity towards, say, hate or is isolated and finds a community on social media that is egging them on and saying, yes, what you believe is right, go do this, that becomes the issue that is very hard to track and eliminating filters really don't exist on most social media platforms. >> reporter: when you look at, that thinking of those filters or the absence of, them is that a role that law enforcement, to get ahead of this, embedding themselves in these places continuously watching this? because obviously you've got the first amendment issue that we are talking about, with a free speech. we use the term loosely in terms of not being in the government, but what is present in the information. our law enforcement beginning to start to embed themselves? a starting to survey and patrol these areas to try to figure out, could there be a part of a kind of echo chamber? >> reporter: sure, law enforcement works in that realm. it is an open source, it is available to anybody who wants to look at it so long enforcement can look at the same way anyone else can. the question is what actions can lot enforcement take based upon what they're seeing on social media, which is purely protected speech. so, that is where it gets a little more dicey. you can't instigate investigated activity based simply on the exercise of first amendment rights. so that is where the legal challenges come in. but i should say that we used to have some degree of success when we were to see content like that online, we could bring it to the social media companies, not tell them to take it off, we had no authority over that, but we could say that we believe that this content violates your terms of service agreements, we want you to review it and take whatever actions you think are appropriate. nowadays, law enforcement is in a much tougher position and cannot take actions like that, cannot have those sorts of interactions with social media companies because of recent court decisions and the fifth circuit and other places that have really cut against the intelligence community's ability to be proactive in pointing out some of this horrible terrorist content to the social media companies. that has been a big step back forwards. >> reporter: it was this conundrum whether we want law enforcement to be proactive or reactive, and what we can do about it in between. andrew mccabe, juliette kayyem, thank you so much. >> thank you. >> reporter: suffice to say there's a lot going on tonight and, as, always a lot going on with our former president. here at home, donald trump facing a plethora of legal woes and we knew about all of those, right? but what about the floodgates? are they getting ready to open for him on the civil side? including the case that my next guest is bringing. , so, the former president donald trump had legal troubles. they may be about to get a whole lot worse. why? well a federal appeals court right here in d.c., will say that he can be sued over january six. , so that rejected trump's claim of presidential immunity which is good news for my next guest. attorney representing congressman eric sol well who is part of the lawsuit by democratic lawmakers and inter capitol police officers against trump. phil. good to see you here my friend. the floodgates may be opening, because we know about the criminal cases against donald trump and not the idea of being able to be sued civilly means it could just be in his mind, pandora's box or for those willing to soothe, the floodgates opening. what was behind this decision, and what are you going to do about it? >> well you know it was a really important decision. it was a unanimous decision by an ideologically, politically diverse panel of the second highest court in the country rejecting donald trump's assertion of immunity for conduct in speech that he engaged in while he was in office. like you said, it opened a lot of floodgates for liability. and for the accountability that we and others are seeking for his terrible actions on january six. >> it's important to know this because when people think about presidential action, they may make the submission that because it was the president, no matter what he did while he was the president, that was enough. not actually true. in the courts, essentially said and i'm reading here for a moment what they had to say about this that the president does not spend every minute of every day exercising official responsibilities. and, when he acts outside the functions of his office he does not continue to adroitly munich deep from damages, liability, just because he happens to be the president. that means that the legal argument for this court that he tried to raise and said, look, the president, look what i could do while on the president. all that was out of the water. >> that's right, his argument was anything that i say and anything that i do at any point in time is going to be a matter of public concern. and therefore the official acts, therefore it's recovered. and the d.c. circuit said with the district court said the opinion that they affirm that there is a line that you cross into solely personal private activity. and that happened when there is a seeker not as an office holder and that's what we alleged are complete that all relevant, times what donald trump was doing is acting as a political candidate. that is a lot of things. it's not official conduct of the president of the united states. >> he's going to appeal the supreme court, likely, we already know this. do you think the likely take it and if they do, do you think they're on the side on this issue? >> well, obviously, i don't want to speculate. certainly i think it's safe to say that any avenue or delay, anything that he can do to install things might try to take advantage of. a three judge panel that unanimous and that politically, ideologically diverse like this panel from the d.c. circuit is probably gonna get a lot of difference to the supreme court. so we'll just have to wait and see. but for right now we're feeling very confident and very well reason, legally sounded with the issue. >> not that you won this legal battle, what do you do now? does the case pick up right where left, of where the lawsuit continues? >> we are still waiting. he has some time to petition the full d.c. circuit, to revisit the opinion, as he could appeal to the supreme court we just have to wait for the procedural pieces to work themselves out but we are eager and ready to get going and see it again. >> i'll tell you what, while you're thinking about that, waiting for him to have those couple of days, we're thinking, hold on a second. i may have been impacted to and maybe those floodgates will open. and what impact will have on the criminal cases will also have to wait and see. nice to see you. thank you for coming. >> thanks for having me laura. >> what would you do is the big question. if your father confessed that he's not who you think he is. well that actually happened. and wait till you hear the rest of the story. the power goes out and we still have wifi to do our homework. and that's a good thing? great in my book! who are you? no power? no problem. introducing storm-ready wifi. now you can stay reliably connected through power outages with unlimited cellular data and up to 4 hours of battery back-up to keep you online. only from xfinity. home of the xfinity 10g network. one of the largest and most mysterious bank heist in ohio history. while it's not been solved. but the man who robbed the bank, theodore conrad, he was never actually caught. that's because more than 50, years he was living in suburban boston under an assumed name as a guy named thomas randolph. his daughter ashley, tells the story of when the whole thing started to unravel. >> my mom, that, and i were watching and see i. s&p looked over at us and really calmly said, ladies just in case anything ever came up i had to change my name when i moved here. the authorities are probably still looking for me. i don't want to talk about it but just so you, know in case it ever comes up you are not blindsided. and then we went back to ncis. we >> what? i mean it wasn't until the next day that ashley then pressed her father for details that she found out in july of 1969, her father walked out of the bank where he worked with $250,000 in cash in a paperback. and then he vanished. now that would be the equivalent of one point $6 million today. now, well randall had been living his new life, a pair of u.s. marshals, a father, and son were looking for a bank robber theodore ted conrad. and until an obituary, for a thomas randall appeared online, peter elliott won a decent marshals who side joins me now. and began to put the clues together. thank you so much for being here. peter, first of all, this obituary, i can't believe the story and csis component. you had been looking for 50 years, really, for this particular individual you and your father. and you saw an obituary. why would that have led due to believe that this was the person under the assumed name anyway? >> well, when people lie they live close to home and in the obituary ted condon was born on july 10th of 1949. he used the date of july 10th 1947. he listed the printouts to move about the obituary, the real -- he said he went to school at the colored work on a goes to school. we also said he was born in denver colorado. and that's where conrad was born. so, there's all these similarities, and the obituary for rondo and the real life to -- >> so you have been looking through obituaries, coincidentally. or you did it as a part of the matter of course to figure out where the person may or may not be? >> i had to look through every arbitrary, i would be -- so we were led to that obituary of the individual to take a look at that and that's what we did. we took a look at an obituary. and, then from there, we started the process. i was for 2015 we put those records from randall. and then my dad, in 1960, 71 randhawa court a color he had a signature with conrad on. it and i red nile signature. >> unbelievable, i've been thinking about putting those things together. and having such tenacity to follow this story to the very end. and tiller it's an obituary. this person has now died. and you end up having to go to the home. what happened when he got there? >> yes and then kathy, ashley for the first time i look, they didn't know that we were coming. myself, and the u.s. marshal and knocked on the, door introduce themselves and told her that we were not there for her. we think your husband to someone else and not really thomas randall. and so we sat down, had a conversation, and they both told the truth. >> you know when you have been following, this i mean this has already taken you to hawaii, texas, oregon, and now that it's been solved and you look but back that this was the person you've been looking for all along were you ever close to catching him before this? >> well again my dad was a deputy marshal for 67 to 1990 so it's his case and he pursued conrad all the way up until 2020. so there are some times that we thought that we were close and one time it was oregon, and we thought we were close another time. we thought were really close when we received tips. for really we were never ever crossed to really catching conrad. >> until now, and imagine, this after all this time i have to ask though what happened to the money he walked away with? do you ever find that? was it ever traced in a way? >>, yes good question we've been trying to take a look at that. when we looked at the house, kathy mitchell's house we had them stacked, up and you see this kind of bankruptcy in 2015. he had no money in the. and no money at the end of. it i don't really know where that money went. i think it must have been lost somewhere in the 1970s. we're not sure about that part yet. hopefully one thing that will still be able to figure out with him but i'm not 100 percent sure at this point we don't know where that money went. >> you, know you mentioned your father. don kealia, he passed away back in 2020. you mentioned his career and his persistence, all this time, what do you think he'd say seeing how it all turned out? >> he'd be happy that we were able to uncover to figure out where he was, i know that and this is my dad's case. you know it's personal for my dad because conrad grew up a couple of streets away from where we grew up in lakewood ohio. he went to the high school in our town. and he came to my dad and he used to sing doctor. he used to work the local restaurant where the prophet used to take, them and the kids. so this was personal with my dad, right off the bat from 1969. $250,000 is a lot of money to a u.s. marshal who was making 67 u.s. dollars per year in 1969. >> peter elliott, a lot to think about. go ahead peter, i missed that last thing. >> yes, a lot of people look to conrad to being a robinhood, a hero, my dad felt he was nothing but a thief. when conrad did run there were signs up by certain kids in liquid who say run ted run. and they thought he was, in a lot of ways, or robinhood. so again my dad it was personal for him and he pursued conrad his entire life. >>, and we know how the story ends finally. peter elliott. thank you so much. >> thank you. take care. >> it's a fascinating story, i have to tell, you thinking about all that transpired there and the coincidences that led to that moment. well, ahead this is no coincidence. beyoncé making history at the box office this weekend. sit tight. because we are going to be talking to a little bit about queen bey. ♪ ♪ ♪ today, the supreme court scrutinizing the controversial opioid settlement. the deal was approved by a new york court back in may. an included up to six billion, yes, with the b. six billion dollars in exchange for him unity for the sackler family for all other civil, though not criminal lawsuits. those that would go to address the opioid epidemic. with over 700 million for individual families and victims. and the end of the company, purdue pharma was then replaced by a new company. the deal was blocked by the division of the doj, which requested to be reviewed by the high court. while many of the arguments today focus on the final ports of bankruptcy law, they did know, today, the justices that the vast majority of victims and their families were supportive of the deal. remember back in the 1990s, purdue pharma introduced oxycontin as a pink color. the company has been accused of helping to fuel the opioid act but damac in this country by aggressively marking the drug a safer and even less addictive encouraging doctors to prescribe the drug over a longer period of time. and now sales of the drug for the family, will earn them billions of dollars. many of the suits allege that the family knew of oxycontin's addictive properties but continued to promote them nonetheless. even as the opioid academic skyrocketed. between 1999, and 2021, nearly 645,000 americans died through opioid overdoses. including the son of my next guest. he was by the teenager when he was prescribed oxycontin for sports injury. he would attempt to rehab, eight times before dying of an overdose in 2017. his mother joins me now. thank you so much for joining me. i am just so sorry to hear what happened to your son and i know that you have been so passionate about advocacy as a result of your love for your son and so many other peoples children. i have to ask you today, how do you even feel about what them before the supreme court of the united states. first of all thank you so much for having me and giving me the opportunity to talk about this and my son. it was quite amazing that it's gotten up to the supreme court. i was actually there today at the supreme court. which is also quite amazing. and i'm just hoping that they, after hearing the arguments agreed to let the settlement go forward. >> did you get a sense that the justice will be a little bit -- talking to each other? not quite showing their hands fully? but do you get a sense with the justices on how they were leaning. did you get a feel for it all? >> well, i was feeling a little bit better because they did talk a lot about the victims. it seems like the victims and the facts money needs to go out into the states with the abatement. it just seems like so many of the conversations of this case are not letting the cyclist get away with, it getting more money out of the sacklers. and there's so much victims in the case that have been forgotten. so i felt very relieved that they talk so much about the event it had on the victims. >> that such an important point. so often, people can sort of get into the minutiae and think about the legal arguments and more very broadly, and forget about the individual people who have been so impacted. but not only those who have been impacted already, but those who still will be impacted and continue to go on to this very day. when you look at the, of what's happened, and the money that's supposed to go into the victims and fighting for the abatement as you talk about cannot makers be doing more outside of the legal system to try to curve the epidemic? to go case-by-case, and major litigations like this to wait for change to come. probably the large. part probably about $5 million will go to the states to fight the opioid crisis because they've now become the fentanyl crisis and it would really help with -- there's probably 300, 400 people dying still. so this money is really needed by the states. and, yes i do think that lawmakers should be doing more to help a bag the crisis as well. >> you, know i'm a mommy. i have a now 11 year old boy and i can't wait to talk about him every chance i get. and so i can lead to go before you have the chance to tell the world about your son. i want people to know who he was. what do you want people to know about him? >> thank you. chris was a very special, beautiful boy. and he was my only child. i was a single mom. and i always said that he was like my soulmate and he grew up in this little village of her being, ten or. kowtowed of new york city. he had lots of friends. and all of his friends called him their silent leader. and he was always thinking of the next fun thing to do. he was very active in sports, he loved snowboarding in skateboarding and mountain biking. and all kinds of high impact sports which is how he injured his knee, which is how he ended up getting several operations while he was 14. which is what led to him getting prescription for oxycontin. he just had his own special drumbeat that he went by. he had different authors like hemingway, hemingway, monika. and somehow he would just find interesting people, interesting things and follow them. and he was definitely a unique individual. and his friends still miss him so much. i'm still very good friends with all his friends. and it's just so sad at the age of 21 his life ended and he >> do you, just hearing a all have tonight the apple did not fall far from that tree, it was so nice to meet you. >> thank you so much for having me. >> thank you, we'll be right back. >> reporter: she said it, beyoncé's number one may be in life, but also the box office. her new movie, renaissance, a film by beyoncé hit theaters friday and my next guest is actually in the movie. his plea titled article beyoncé, a man says queen bey is, in a way, taking us all the church. michael aaron dyson is here, now he's a professor of african american and diaspora studies at vanderbilt university. my friend, nice to see you as always. i didn't realize just how big time you were, though, that you're actually in the movie. you're all up in the movie, as well. so, i won't fan girl through you, i will just say that okay, michael eric dyson. >> it was an honor and surprise to me, i must tell you. a brief snippet, but it was impactful and powerful. the film is incredible. as you know, this was usually a poor timed release a film, it's the dull drums, it's the pits, and yet beyoncé proving once again that she is resurrected this particular weekend as now a viable one, at least for her and has helped save the year for movies. it is just utterly remarkable and the film is extraordinary, as a chronicle of her behind the scenes grappling with what it takes to be a superstar, but also to be taken seriously as a black woman. as she says the film, even beyoncé says that it's hard for me as, a black woman, to be taken seriously and i have to continually fight. at the end of the day, they just recognize this woman just won't give up. that is what you see in that film. >> reporter: you wrote this incredibly poignant piece, as, well that was so compelling. everyone has to read it. you talk about you, by the way, as a preacher for the last 45 years and a man of god, you talk about how the community that beyoncé has created is what church should be. why do you think that? >> i'm glad you said that, because i've gotten so many responses online or people say you're sacrilegious, you're blasphemous, you're comparing her to god, you're making her -- that is not what i'm saying. what i'm saying is when we go to church, what we're supposed to seal is unconditional love. unconditional affirmation of our being, the assertion that we are a child of god and, therefore, important to the creator of the universe. that is what we feel when we go to a beyoncé concert. especially for brothers and sisters. i talk about it in the piece, in a culture of church that it's about trends, transmission of piety from one generation to the other, transformation of life, transmission with to save, we are resisting the transgender, the transsexual, so the reality is that beyoncé is creating a space that affirms human beings regardless of those determines and those negative stigmas that are attached to them. unfortunately, and unfairly, and she redeems the presence of those bodies through her affirming language and her music. >> reporter: you know, or here on december 4th, a couple minutes before midnight. i want to say happy birthday to maybe her better half, but who can be better than beyoncé, maybe. but to jay-z, as well. i want to ask you, in the land where everybody is talking about maybe doing taylor swift courses at universities, do you, professor, i want to know what is on the syllabus? are you teaching a beyoncé course as well? >> reporter: i have taught beyoncé course several times, i've caught a jay-z course several times. god forgive me for my brash delivery, but i remember -- i've taught many classes on the on say and we've looked at her music, we looked at her dancing, we looked at her voice, we looked at her performance, we looked at her impact upon african american culture more broadly and american culture and, indeed, now global culture. she is a phenomenal and ethical human being whose creativity has won her fans across the world, but she remains at heart a simple country girl, a southern girl who is loving and affirming of all who come into her orbit. >> wow, might drop for you. thank you so much, michael eric dyson. thank you everyone for watching. because our coverage does continue. >> tonight on three 60, in the air and on the ground, israel ramps up its war on hamas, the biden administration weighs in on this dark question. is hamas not -- young women so they won't talk about being abused in captivity? also tonight the man who tried to overturn the election a law is now warning president biden and not he is the real threat to democracy. that is a former top republican warrant, we are quote sleepwalking into dictatorship if you win a second term. later, harvard's leading experts on disinformation and how she says she was forced out for making trouble for facebook founder and 500 million dollar donor mark zuckerberg. good evening, thank you for joining us. we begin with very full night of developmentan