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on this dark question. is hamas not -- won't talk about being abused in captivity? also tonight the man who tried to overturn the election, he lost, is now warning that president biden and not he, is the real threat to democracy. that, as a former top republican warns, we are, quote, sleep walking into dictatorship if he wins a second term. later, harvard's -- trouble for facebook founder and $500 million donor mark zuckerberg. good evening. thanks for joining us. we begin with a very full night of developments in and around israel's war in hamas and a new focus today on allegations that rape was a central part of the atrocities hamas committed to start the war. it's been a heavy day and night of israeli air strikes in gaza, about 200 targets hit according to military officials. israeli forces using explosives to demolish large building in central gaza, housing the hamas-run justice ministry and courthouses. elsewhere on the ground, meantime, our first evidence that the idf is carrying out the plan it announced yesterday to launch operations in southern gaza. video geolocated by cnn showing israeli troops and at least one tank operating in the south. and as the fighting there picks up the humanitarian crisis grows for gazans who now have few options where to go and very little to eat. a world health organization team visiting a hospital in khan younis saying conditions are, in their words, catastrophic, and warning that intensified ground operations in the south will likely cut off thousands from health care. there's also new word tonight of near complete blackout of internet and phone service in gaza. ben wedeman reports on the desperation. >> desperate times call for desperate measures. and in gaza, if that means looting the local bakery destroyed overnight by an israeli air strike, so be it. look at the people, says this man, they're doing this out of hunger. it was the -- bakery, arabic for blessing, but now gaza is under the curse of a war. it was the last functioning bakery in this area. people's basic needs, striking it is a kind of terrorism. once the sun came up monday, people of all ages descended upon the bakery, taking away bags of flour, cooking oil, scraps of wood to use for cooking and heating, and just about anything else they could carry away. this man describes it in one word, chaos. the world food programs warn that people of gaza are reaching the breaking point. >> you have breaking down completely because people are becoming desperate, hopeless, hungry by the moment. this is, of course, bound to happen. >> reporter: and with israeli ground forces now operating in southern gaza, the hundreds of thousands who fled the north in search of safety are now even more than before, in the line of fire. gaza, after almost two months of war, has come to this. >> and ben wedeman joins us. how are humanitarian relief groups reacting to the israeli moves in southern gaza? >> reporter: all of them are extremely concerned about this situation, anderson. the world health organization, doctors without borders, the u.n. agency that looks after the palestinians, are deeply concerned that the israelis are essentially pushing the hundreds of thousands of people into a small corner of gaza where there's no infrastructure. there's no shelter. there's no food. there's no water. there's no medical care. all of the problems of gaza are being compounded into a fairly small area. and in fact, martin griffith, the chief u.n. relief officer, came out with a statement this evening and said, every time we think things cannot get more apocalyptic in gaeza, they do. anderson? the united nations today held a special session called hear our voices, aimed at raising awareness of sexual violence in wartime. the allegations that hamas carried out brutal and premeditated sexual assaults on october 7th. matthew miller said that he sees, quote, no reason at all to doubt those reports. he also cited as fact that it, quote, seems, unquote, that hamas isn't turning over its remaining women hostages because it does not want them to talk about what they've gone through in captivity. he was asked to elaborate. >> do you have evidence to suggest that that is what it is, or is it just -- >> i want to be very sensitive in my language when talking about people that continue to be held hostage, that have families on the outside. i will -- what i will say is we know hamas has committed atrocities. we know -- hold on. they continue to hold women. they were going to release these women, and then suddenly at the last point were never able to provide a credible reason why. >> israeli police, along with the civil commission, have already gathered evidence of sexual assaults as well as what the gunmen themselves reported on october 7th. cnn has more, but first a warning, some of her report is especially tough to hear. >> reporter: the details are horrific. listen to this israeli paramedic, whose rescue unit responded to the massacre at kibbutz be'eri. he did not want to be identified. >> while we were storming through those houses, one of the doors, i opened the bedroom. i see two girls, two teenagers, i guess 13 or 14 years old. one was lying on the floor. one was lying on the bed. the one on the floor was lying on her stomach. her pants are pulled down toward her knees, and there's a bullet wound on her back side of her neck near her head, and there's a puddle of blood around her head. and there's remains of semen on the lower part of her back. >> reporter: a volunteer at the military base, where many of the victims of the massacre have been sent, testified at a u.n. event in geneva last week, describing the evidence of sexual violence she saw on some of the bodies. >> our team commanders saw several soldiers who were shot in the crotch and intimate areas in their vaginas or they were shot in their breasts. this seemed to be systemic genital mutilation of a group of victims. >> reporter: despite all of that, the u.n. and its women's rights affiliates remain silent on the mounting specific allegations. >> their response was really devastating, was heartbreaking for me. >> reporter: professor right halburn is an international women's rights advocate and for 12 years helped lead the united nations committee on all forms of discrimination against women. >> neither of them acknowledged or recognized the existence, the fact that sexual violence was part of the hamas massacre. and by not acknowledging this, by dismissing, by ignoring, they are, in fact, almost, i would say, legitimizing the existence of these atrocities. >> reporter: i asked a representative from u.n. women about that. her answer speaks for itself. >> is there a reason though, sarah, that you can't specifically call out hamas and the mounting evidence now over seven weeks that israeli investigators have collected that we've shown our viewers about the atrocities they committed specifically on october 7th? >> indeed. u.n. women always supports impartial, independent investigations into any serious allegations of gender based or sexual violence. and within the u.n. family, these investigations are led by the office of the high commissioner of human rights. >> reporter: then three days later, finally an acknowledgment from u.n. women, a statement of their own. we unequivocally condemn the brutal attacks by hamas on october 7th. we're alarmed by the numerous accounts of gender based atrocities and sexual violence during those attacks. and over the weekend, even more accounts coming to light. "the sunday times" quoting a 39-year-old witness who attended the nova music festival. i saw this beautiful woman with face of an angel and eight or ten of the fighters beating and raping her. she screamed, stop it already. i'm going to do die already from what you are doing. just kill me. when they finished, they were laughing, and the last one shot her in the head. a police commander leading the investigation into sexual violence and crime said, it's clear now that sexual crimes were part of the planning. and the purpose was to terrify and humiliate people. being able to prove that the crimes were planned is critical in prosecuting such cases. >> recall that the massacre actually took place in 22 locations at the same time. the same method in which these horrific atrocities were executed by the terrorists in separate locations, in different locations, all at the same time. this demonstrates a preconceived and premeditated plan. and that is why it does amount to crimes against humanity. >> cnn, new york. one of the women still being held hostage is 23-year-old roammy gone ig. he was at the music festival october 7th. she and a close friend ran for their lives and hid in bushes. the whole time roammy was on her phone with her family. a colleague at the festival picked them up and tried to drive off. but gunmen attacked and murdered her friends. roammy, her parents say, was shot in the hand. when she was taken, they could hear an attacker say, quote, she's alive. let's take her. her phone was later traced to gaza. her mother joins us. i know that the risk of assault facing female hostages in gaza is one of the reasons why you are speaking out. do you believe humanitarian groups have spoken out enough about the plight of female hostages, including romy? >> i'm sorry to say that that's not the situation. i feel that the humanitarian organization, the women organization around the world, social organization, have not yet spoke enough on behalf of the women that are in gaza now. we need more voices. their voices cannot be heard since they are, you know, underground, in houses, in captivity. they cannot talk. and somebody needs to raise their voice. and we are doing it because we need the help of the international organization. >> did you expect romi to be released last week during the temporary truce? >> yes. we were sure that romi would be released on friday. there are only 18 women in gaza now. and we were so sure she would be released on friday, even saturday. but that didn't happen. it was so horrible for us. it was so terrible. i was awake since 4:30 in the morning waiting to see if there is a list, when the list is coming out. and no list. not just no list, the fighting started again. and, you know, we were so close, so close to her back. her and all the other women. and it didn't happen. >> has anyone been able to give you any explanation why she wasn't released earlier? >> no. we have a cabinet meeting the next day. you know, it's already a tuesday in israel. so, today we will have a meeting with our cabinet, the war cabinet. and we expect to get answers regarding the fact that they weren't released. and we're afraid. we're worried. it's not just romi. it's young women, young women in the hands of those terrorists that made all those horrible actions during the 7th of october. >> we should also point out that your daughter is among a number of hostages who are known to have been injured. your daughter was shot in the hand. hersh goldberg-polin had his arm blown off. i understand some of the hostages told you that romi is still alive, that they had seen her, that you got proof of life for the first time. what did you learn? what did they say? >> they just said they saw her. she's alive. but they also said that the wound, the shotgun wound, is not treated well, and it is neglected and it is not properly treated. so, i'm worried. we are worried for all the people, not just people that have been shot, the people with illnesses inside gaza, which are not treated well. it's a matter of life and death. >> i know another reason you do interviews is if by chance romi is able to hear you and hear something you say. so, is there something you would want her to hear tonight? >> yes, yes. i will say it in english, and she understands. you know, it's not the world. it's not the word. it's what i feel about her. she's a strong woman. she's a strong and very beautiful woman. she knows we believe in her. she knows we love her. i told her on the phone when i thought she was going to die, i told her, you're not alone, romi. we are with you. i love you. i miss you. i know you are strong. i know that wherever you are, you're helping others. i know you help others, make them feel a little bit more safe together. so, i expect you to know that we are coming to take you out. we are doing everything we can to help you and all the other hostages come back home. >> i wish you continued strength in the difficult days ahead. and i hope you have good news soon. thank you. >> thank you very much. thank you, anderson. next, in the face of new reporting, what a second trump presidency would look like and allegations it could be a threat to democracy. the former president points the finger elsewhere without honest. we're keeping him honest. later a troubling story about a hero who was saving civilian lives but ended up shot by an israeli soldier. facing criticisms and concerns about his recent declaration about how he'll run a second term in office and the threat some say it poses to democracy, the former president is responding in a familiar fashion. he's accusing the accuser. here's how responded to the idea of president biden campaigning on that notion. >> so, if joe biden wants to make this race of a question of which candidate will protect our democracy and defend our freedoms, i say to crooked joe, the most corrupt president we've ever had, we will win that fight and we're going to win it very good. joe biden is not the defender of american democracy. joe biden is the destroyer of american democracy. >> the former president over the weekend, perhaps it should go without saying, there's no evidence that president biden is the destroyer of american democracy. also this is nothing new. here's his response during the final 2016 presidential debate to hillary clinton's allegation that vladimir putin wanted him to win. >> he'd rather have a puppet as president. >> no puppet, no puppet. you're the puppet. >> the man who would become the 45th president of the united states. his former lawyer and fixer michael cohen calls it deflection by projection. whatever you want to call it, the former president has done this again and again. the difference this time, though, a trump presidency is one with no guardrails. congresswoman liz cheney this morning issued this warning. >> do you believe if donald trump were elected next year that he would try to stay in office beyond a second term? that he would never leave office? >> there's no question. >> you think he would try to stay in power forever. >> absolutely. a vote for donald trump may mean the last election that you ever get to vote in. and again, i don't say that lightly. and it, i think, is heartbreaking that that's where we are. people have to recognize that a vote for donald trump is a vote against the constitution. >> perspective now from cnn chief correspondent and anchor of "the source," kaitlan collins, also adam kinzinger. congressman, what's your reaction when you see the former president trying to flip the script like this? >> yeah, i mean, it's his thing. this is what he does. he'll never admit fault. he always blames everybody else. he's the biggest victim of really any politician ever. he's always the victim of a circumstance, despite being the most powerful man in the world at one point. i don't think anybody's seen him say that actually believes it. nobody believes it. whether you're left, right, or center. the problem is, we've gotten to such a tribal moment that the republicans, many of them, particularly elected officials, have given up. they basically compromised themselves to empower the former president. and now when he says something like that, they won't call him out because now, if you turn around and call the former president out, you have to admit your role in what you've done to empower him. and trust me, anderson, it's much easier to go back to the tribe, have everybody put their arm around you, say you're fine, just stick with us, everything will be okay. then actually looking in the mirror and admitting this. nobody believes what he's saying. all that matters though -- >> plenty of people actually do believe what he's saying. a lot of his support es believe what he's says, no? >> yeah, they believe what he's saying. when they say, joe biden is a bigger threat to democracy. of course there are going to be some people that believe it. the vast majority of people in the job i used to have for instance, in congress, they know that's bunk. if you put them on cia truth ser m, they're going to tell you, yeah, donald trump is a bigger threat to democracy. doesn't mean you have to agree with joe biden's points or his policies, but absolutely. and that's the problem is when leaders don't come out and say that, then people that are watching tv or watching the former president, they have no counter that they trust to what the former president is saying. >> kaitlan, how confident do you think the trump team is this reduction of the no puppet strategy. >> it's completely predictable. but it's more sophisticated if that's the term to use here, given how much they're making it part of the campaign. this isn't just him spit balling. he isn't just saying this off the cuff. it's in his speech of repaired remarks. they've printed off signs saying, biden attacks democracy, in all caps. that's what they're passing out at these rallies. it's the same playbook we've seen trump use time and time again. remember when he brought the clinton accusers out after the "access hollywood" tape came out and his personal life was the subject of all of the headlines and the front pages. and his conduct, obviously he was the one running for president then. so, it's entirely predictable. but they're fashioning it into an actual campaign tool now. and they know what was clear this weekend listening to those speeches from the former president is they know biden's chief argument going into 2024 is going to be about trump being a threat to democracy. he used it the last time, and they're trying to push back on that by basically equating it. trump is literally accused of trying to overturn the election. he is going to be on trial for that not long from now portionly. so, i think that is at the heart of this, is even though he's trying to accuse biden of being the person who's antidemocratic, he is literally going to be on trial on charges that he tried to overturn the election. >> kaitlan, you've done a lot of reporting on trump and his supporters, do you think when he says it they believe it? >> yeah, i think they wholeheartedly believe it. and i don't think they draw the distinction. i think some republican lawmakers certainly are disingenuous and they say one thing publicly and privately acknowledge another thing. i think when you go to these rallies -- and i've been to more trump rallies than you can count on many hands -- they see it and they believe it and they listen to him. when he continues to push this and push this narrative about president biden, i think it gets through to them. >> congressman, we're seeing some republicans who allegedly don't support the former president, get wobbly. chris sununu when asked if he would support president biden, he said, i'm a republican. bill barr, who eviscerated trump on kaitlan's program this summer, said the former president shouldn't be anywhere near the oval office. he said he still wouldn't rule out voting for him. i mean, can you reconcile that? >> yeah, anderson. i have lost your audio there, but i'll tell you, look, i did catch the question. yeah, i mean, the bottom line on this is it doesn't make any sense to me, it doesn't make an ounce of sense, that a republican, who says that donald trump is a big threat, the biggest threat. he was awful in the oval office. would then turn around, purely based on politics, purely based on a dislike of joe biden's policies, when there is such a big threat. it makes no sense to me, except to say that, look, it's hard. if you would say, i'm not going to support former president trump against joe biden, you're going to lose your base. people are going to be upset at you. but, again, that's what leadership is. and just quickly on this whole, like, donald trump, kind of, you know, switching the script. keep in mind, he constantly says joe biden is weak on china. i don't agree on everything joe biden does on china. but i sat in an oval office meeting where president trump begged us -- begged us -- to allow china c te to continue to operate in the united states because he made a personal plea or personal promise to xi jinping. that's what he does. it's whatever he feels like saying, he'll say. but easy had the direct opposite, usually of what he says. >> kaitlan, what do you think the biggest difference would be between a trump first term and a possible second term? >> the one main thing that sticks out, when i talk to people who worked for trump in the white house the last time around is, any time he wanted to -- it was all the art of how to deal with him, how to negotiate with him, how to navigate him. even his own staff when they were trying to talk him out of things. and often one of the most successful arguments would be, if you do this, it's going to hurt you with voters. and it was effective. it was one of the only ones, that and him getting bad press. so, that would be completely gone. and i think he has this idea of just the people that he hired himself working against him, that the people he would hire this time, he would ensure that they would be people who would not do that, who would, you know, for what bill barr has said, he won't rule out whether or not he'd vote for trump. he was certainly someone who blocked a lot of the things that trump tried to do because he felt they were illegal or just wrong. those kinds of people wouldn't be there. it would be the kash patels, the rick grinnells, the other officials he did install into top positions who could do even more senior roles that do work to carry out not only what he wants but also what they themselves want. i think that would be what would be so remarkably different. he doesn't really have anything to fear because it would be his last term in office. >> congressman, a year ago, two yearsing a, people would say, oh, well, who's he going to get to work for him in a second administration? i think we're going to see, there is enough people out there who are happy to subvert democracy or be on the winning side, no matter what the effect on the country is. >> look no further than jeffrey clark at the department of justice. basically the attorney general -- this is before it was cool to be against the constitution in the gop. he basically was telling donald trump, i will do whatever you want. this is around the time that donald trump was wanting the department of justice -- think about this -- to say, just say the election was corrupt. don't need you to do anything else. just say it was corrupt and then leave the rest to me and the republican congressman. what he's saying -- and it's what he continues to do -- is just put a little stamp of doubt, like an official stamp of doubt, and then we will exploit that doubt to actually, you know, benefit in the minds of the american people. look, i guarantee you donald trump can easily find ten people, and he can even pick the best of the ten that would easily say, mr. president, i will do whatever you want regardless of what the constitution says. those people are out there. and guess what, anderson, those people are actually pretty smart. that's what i worry about too. >> congressman kinzinger. thanks, kaitlan. we'll see you at the top of the hour for "the source." just ahead tonight, why israel initially failed to investigate the killing by a soldier of an israeli civilian turned hero during a deadly attack by hamas and what prime minister benjamin netanyahu meant when he said, quote, that's life. the power goes out and we still have wifi to do our homework. and that's a good thing? great in my book! who are you? no power? no problem. introducing storm-ready wifi. now you can stay reliably connected through power outages with unlimited cellular data and up to 4 hours of battery back-up to keep you online. only from xfinity. home of the xfinity 10g network. when two palestinian gunmen opened fire at a bus stop in gent jerusalem last week, a lawyer acted he rowically to stop them. three israelis were killed by the hamas gunman, seven injured. hamas claimed credit for the attack. despite giving every indication he was not a terrorist, including kneeling with his hands up and opening his jacket to show he had no suicide vest -- was shot by the soldier. when asked about the mistake of civilians carrying guns, said, quote, that's life. alex marquardt has more on a belated investigation and an arrest. and a warning what you're about to see is disturbing. >> reporter: video posted online shows yuval cacastleman, a form israeli police officer with his hands in the air. then he's shot at twice. then twice more. on the ground, his shirt bloodied, and clearly in pain. he later died of his wounds. castleman had sprung into action, when this light colored car pulled up on thursday at a jerusalem bus stop. two hamas gunmen jump out and opened fire on the crowd and try to run away. three are killed. as the terrorists try to drive away, castleman runs across the road and opens fire with his pistol, to help take down the attackers. but an army reservist here also opens fire on castleman. two soldiers from this red car run out with their weapons. castleman apparently trying to show he's not an attacker. he has his hands in the air and his jacket open. but he appears to have been killed by a reservist, a fellow israeli. in prime minister benjamin netanyahu's first comments about castleman's dental ath, he said that's life when israelis carry guns. netanyahu later called castleman's actions supreme bravery. friends and family gathered monday night for shiba, a jewish mourning period. his sister and best friend showed me a photo album. he is also a former police officer and says they are outraged castleman was shot with his hands up. >> he was murdered. >> so what is the hardest part of all this for you? >> i lost my brother because of a stupid mistake. it was a stupid mistake. it should never have happened. and if -- i know that if they were following the same orders that i was given and that they were given, my friend would still be alive. >> reporter: castleman's father sits low on the floor, as is custom, as guests pay their pres respects. he calls his son a hero and wants an investigation into what happened. [ speaking in a non-english language ] all his life, yuval was that kind of person, moshe said. that's how he behaved, despite knowing he was taking a risk and endangering his life, he didn't hesitate. >> alex marquardt joins us now from tel aviv. what more can you tell us about the person that's been arrested? >> this reservist is being investigated by the military police. he has been identified by the press. his name is -- the idf has cautioned that there wouldn't be an indictment until this investigation is over. they have underscored what they call a clear moral rule in the idf, that when someone puts their hands up, that you don't shoot. anderson, we have seen a steady stream of high profile politicians going to shiba with the family, president isaac herzog of israel, the war minister, benny gantz. we saw a senior member of the la qud party. it's similar to the debate we have in the u.s. over the theory of a good guy with a gun. here was a good guy with a gun, who was shot and killed trying to intervene in a terrorist attack, anderson. >> alex marquardt, thanks very much. former harvard scholar who specializes in online disinformation claims the school forced her out after mark zuckerberg and his wife gifted harvard hundreds of millions of dollars. harvard denies the allegation. the story next. the former president, who tried to overturn an election, calls the man who legally succeeded him a threat to democracy, the obvious facts are at a premium in the 2024 presidential race. that may be one reason why a new allegation from a former harvard scholar who specializes in disinformation about the alleged influence of facebook founder mark zuckerberg and his wife on her work is raising concerns. donie o'sullivan tonight has details. >> this was going to be a knockdown, draggout fight for my academic freedom. >> reporter: for years, dr. joan done van has been one of the top experts on social media disinformation. he wrote dozens of papers, authored a book about extremism online, even testified before congress. she led a special program at harvard called the technology and social change research project until she says she was forced out. >> harvard tried to destroy my career. i believe it was just the decision of the dean to terminate me because i was making trouble for the donors. >> reporter: the donors she's referring to are facebook founder mark zuckerberg and his wife, who both attended harvard. they gave a $500 million donation in 2021. but the trouble is part of donovan's research involves holding big tech companies, like the company zuckerberg founded, meta, which includes facebook, accountability to everything from disinformation to teen suicide to war propaganda. in 2021 when a facebook whistleblower leaked thousands of internal company documents, donovan began building a database at harvard to make all the documents publicly available. >> i believe these were the most important documents in internet history. i saw these facebook papers as evidence that facebook knew the harms it was causing and did nothing about it. akin to the way in which tobacco companies tried to hide research about lung cancer. >> reporter: after that, she believes meta began turning up the pressure on harvard. >> i don't think i would have been in the position that i'm in right now if i had not proceeded with this project. >> reporter: donovan would help a group whistleblower eight sent this to harvard, the u.s. secretary of education, and the massachusetts attorney general, alleging harvard officials began adopting meta's language and questioned dr. donovan's research methodologies, specifically with respect to facebook. acting on behalf of meta's best interest and compared meta's behavior to oil and gas and big pharma, each of which manipulated institutions into producing research projects that supported their respective industries. >> this field is being run by tech oligarchs who believe that academic research should be a wing of their pr. >> reporter: meta has long pushed back against research that blames the company for harming society, but the company did not comment for this story. harvard told cnn any astatement, allegations of mistreatment of false. baseless insinuations, particularly the allegation harvard kennedy school allowed facebook to dictate its approach to research. the facebook leaked document project ended up going ahead and the university's work on online disinformation continues. but donovan says harvard has damaged its credibility. >> i mean, it's gutting. here i am at harvard, believing that they would protect the sanctity of the truth and that they were understanding that this work was going to ruffle some feathers. but what i didn't imagine was that i would need protection from harvard itself. >> and donie o'sullivan joins us now. what is the status of the doctor's research. >> reporter: so, dr. donovan now is working at boston university. but a big part of her problem is a lot of the research she did at harvard is locked in at harvard, and a lot of that data. as you heard, in that piece, meta, which has a very substantial communications department, had no comment on this story today, which was quite unusual for a company that likes to defend itself. the chan-zuckerberg initiative, which gave half a billion dollars to harvard, just in the past hour put out a statement saying they had no involvement in dr. donovan's departure from harvard and was unaware of that development before public reporting on it. harvard is strongly, strongly denying this. i will say from speaking to other researchers in this space, this is a, kind of -- they weren't entirely surprised when they heard this about dr. donovan. and just taking a step back further from this, this is all comes as we're going to 2024. disinformation researchers, people who are calling out this sort of stuff, how it's happening on social media, where it's coming from, how it's affecting people, they're being attacked on all sides. because you have the republicans and the house of representatives who are subpoenaing them. they're getting sued left, right, and center. there really is an attack on academic freedom generally in this country, in this space, which is really a crucial space, particularly going into 2024. >> donie o'sullivan, appreciate it. up next, in a word, harry enten joins me to reveal oxford's 2023 word of the year. first time i connected with kim, she told me that her husband had passed. and that he took care of all of the internet connected devices in the home. i told her, “i'm here to take care of you.” connecting with kim... made me reconnect with my mom. it's very important to keep loved ones close. we know that creating memories with loved ones brings so much joy to your life. a family trip to the team usa training facility. i don't know how to thank you. i'm here to thank you. the publisher of the oxford english dictionary has announced his pick for the 2023 word of the year. our resident expert, harry enten, joins us with details. >> so, do you have a guess of what the word of the year is? >> how would i guess what the word of the year is? i don't know. mish gas? >> no, that would have been my word of the year. so, the word of the year is rizz, r-i-z-z. do you have any idea what this word may actually mean? >> i do not. >> i have been told that it is a noun or a verb -- it can be either way -- it's basically the charisma to attract somebody. >> oh, yeah, i just saw this online yesterday. maybe that's why i saw it. >> so, you were reading. >> the charisma to attract somebody. so, you've got rizz. you've got a lot of rizz. >> correct. and tom holland didn't have rizz. this is one of the reasons it became a big thing. he said, oh, i didn't have a lot of rizz and i played the long game to get zendaya. this is how this became the word of the year, rizz. now, i do have some other questions for you. do you happen to know any of the finalists words? >> how would i know? i didn't know rizz. >> well, you did know rizz. >> how about shonda. >> yes, shonda. what a shonda. it would be such a shonda if you did not know these woerds. >> what were some of the finalists? >> some of the finalists. one of them is a situation shift. >> that i have not heard. >> i have not heard that either. >> it's not a relationship, it's a situationship. >> you're not sure where it's going. you're, kind of, going out with somebody. you're not really sure where it's headed. >> like a little netflix and chill situationship. >> yes. something i used to be familiar with. swifty, that's clearly taylor swift. >> that's direct. it's a massive fan of taylor swift. i know of course you're a massive fan of taylor swift. >> of course. >> of course. >> i actually think she's great actually. >> she is great. she is great. i should also note on the short list, i feel like we're making up words sometimes. so, a beige flag instead of a red flag is -- >> what? that i've never heard. is that a thing? has anyone heard of that? >> ono, no. >> kevin, you're in tune with the kids. >> i don't know. i'm a millennial. got a gen z. >> i'm going to put a beige flag on that one. coming up next who are has qualified for the republican presidential debate. i'll tell you who's out. the republican national committee has just announced that only four candidates will take part in next week's fourth presidential debate in tuscaloosa alabama. asa hutchinson didn't make the cut due to polling and fundraising rules. and the rest have suspended their campaigns, including doug burgum. we'll have post debate coverage wednesday night. the news continues. 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on this dark question. is hamas not -- won't talk about being abused in captivity? also tonight the man who tried to overturn the election, he lost, is now warning that president biden and not he, is the real threat to democracy. that, as a former top republican warns, we are, quote, sleep walking into dictatorship if he wins a second term. later, harvard's -- trouble for facebook founder and $500 million donor mark zuckerberg. good evening. thanks for joining us. we begin with a very full night of developments in and around israel's war in hamas and a new focus today on allegations that rape was a central part of the atrocities hamas committed to start the war. it's been a heavy day and night of israeli air strikes in gaza, about 200 targets hit according to military officials. israeli forces using explosives to demolish large building in central gaza, housing the hamas-run justice ministry and courthouses. elsewhere on the ground, meantime, our first evidence that the idf is carrying out the plan it announced yesterday to launch operations in southern gaza. video geolocated by cnn showing israeli troops and at least one tank operating in the south. and as the fighting there picks up the humanitarian crisis grows for gazans who now have few options where to go and very little to eat. a world health organization team visiting a hospital in khan younis saying conditions are, in their words, catastrophic, and warning that intensified ground operations in the south will likely cut off thousands from health care. there's also new word tonight of near complete blackout of internet and phone service in gaza. ben wedeman reports on the desperation. >> desperate times call for desperate measures. and in gaza, if that means looting the local bakery destroyed overnight by an israeli air strike, so be it. look at the people, says this man, they're doing this out of hunger. it was the -- bakery, arabic for blessing, but now gaza is under the curse of a war. it was the last functioning bakery in this area. people's basic needs, striking it is a kind of terrorism. once the sun came up monday, people of all ages descended upon the bakery, taking away bags of flour, cooking oil, scraps of wood to use for cooking and heating, and just about anything else they could carry away. this man describes it in one word, chaos. the world food programs warn that people of gaza are reaching the breaking point. >> you have breaking down completely because people are becoming desperate, hopeless, hungry by the moment. this is, of course, bound to happen. >> reporter: and with israeli ground forces now operating in southern gaza, the hundreds of thousands who fled the north in search of safety are now even more than before, in the line of fire. gaza, after almost two months of war, has come to this. >> and ben wedeman joins us. how are humanitarian relief groups reacting to the israeli moves in southern gaza? >> reporter: all of them are extremely concerned about this situation, anderson. the world health organization, doctors without borders, the u.n. agency that looks after the palestinians, are deeply concerned that the israelis are essentially pushing the hundreds of thousands of people into a small corner of gaza where there's no infrastructure. there's no shelter. there's no food. there's no water. there's no medical care. all of the problems of gaza are being compounded into a fairly small area. and in fact, martin griffith, the chief u.n. relief officer, came out with a statement this evening and said, every time we think things cannot get more apocalyptic in gaeza, they do. anderson? the united nations today held a special session called hear our voices, aimed at raising awareness of sexual violence in wartime. the allegations that hamas carried out brutal and premeditated sexual assaults on october 7th. matthew miller said that he sees, quote, no reason at all to doubt those reports. he also cited as fact that it, quote, seems, unquote, that hamas isn't turning over its remaining women hostages because it does not want them to talk about what they've gone through in captivity. he was asked to elaborate. >> do you have evidence to suggest that that is what it is, or is it just -- >> i want to be very sensitive in my language when talking about people that continue to be held hostage, that have families on the outside. i will -- what i will say is we know hamas has committed atrocities. we know -- hold on. they continue to hold women. they were going to release these women, and then suddenly at the last point were never able to provide a credible reason why. >> israeli police, along with the civil commission, have already gathered evidence of sexual assaults as well as what the gunmen themselves reported on october 7th. cnn has more, but first a warning, some of her report is especially tough to hear. >> reporter: the details are horrific. listen to this israeli paramedic, whose rescue unit responded to the massacre at kibbutz be'eri. he did not want to be identified. >> while we were storming through those houses, one of the doors, i opened the bedroom. i see two girls, two teenagers, i guess 13 or 14 years old. one was lying on the floor. one was lying on the bed. the one on the floor was lying on her stomach. her pants are pulled down toward her knees, and there's a bullet wound on her back side of her neck near her head, and there's a puddle of blood around her head. and there's remains of semen on the lower part of her back. >> reporter: a volunteer at the military base, where many of the victims of the massacre have been sent, testified at a u.n. event in geneva last week, describing the evidence of sexual violence she saw on some of the bodies. >> our team commanders saw several soldiers who were shot in the crotch and intimate areas in their vaginas or they were shot in their breasts. this seemed to be systemic genital mutilation of a group of victims. >> reporter: despite all of that, the u.n. and its women's rights affiliates remain silent on the mounting specific allegations. >> their response was really devastating, was heartbreaking for me. >> reporter: professor right halburn is an international women's rights advocate and for 12 years helped lead the united nations committee on all forms of discrimination against women. >> neither of them acknowledged or recognized the existence, the fact that sexual violence was part of the hamas massacre. and by not acknowledging this, by dismissing, by ignoring, they are, in fact, almost, i would say, legitimizing the existence of these atrocities. >> reporter: i asked a representative from u.n. women about that. her answer speaks for itself. >> is there a reason though, sarah, that you can't specifically call out hamas and the mounting evidence now over seven weeks that israeli investigators have collected that we've shown our viewers about the atrocities they committed specifically on october 7th? >> indeed. u.n. women always supports impartial, independent investigations into any serious allegations of gender based or sexual violence. and within the u.n. family, these investigations are led by the office of the high commissioner of human rights. >> reporter: then three days later, finally an acknowledgment from u.n. women, a statement of their own. we unequivocally condemn the brutal attacks by hamas on october 7th. we're alarmed by the numerous accounts of gender based atrocities and sexual violence during those attacks. and over the weekend, even more accounts coming to light. "the sunday times" quoting a 39-year-old witness who attended the nova music festival. i saw this beautiful woman with face of an angel and eight or ten of the fighters beating and raping her. she screamed, stop it already. i'm going to do die already from what you are doing. just kill me. when they finished, they were laughing, and the last one shot her in the head. a police commander leading the investigation into sexual violence and crime said, it's clear now that sexual crimes were part of the planning. and the purpose was to terrify and humiliate people. being able to prove that the crimes were planned is critical in prosecuting such cases. >> recall that the massacre actually took place in 22 locations at the same time. the same method in which these horrific atrocities were executed by the terrorists in separate locations, in different locations, all at the same time. this demonstrates a preconceived and premeditated plan. and that is why it does amount to crimes against humanity. >> cnn, new york. one of the women still being held hostage is 23-year-old roammy gone ig. he was at the music festival october 7th. she and a close friend ran for their lives and hid in bushes. the whole time roammy was on her phone with her family. a colleague at the festival picked them up and tried to drive off. but gunmen attacked and murdered her friends. roammy, her parents say, was shot in the hand. when she was taken, they could hear an attacker say, quote, she's alive. let's take her. her phone was later traced to gaza. her mother joins us. i know that the risk of assault facing female hostages in gaza is one of the reasons why you are speaking out. do you believe humanitarian groups have spoken out enough about the plight of female hostages, including romy? >> i'm sorry to say that that's not the situation. i feel that the humanitarian organization, the women organization around the world, social organization, have not yet spoke enough on behalf of the women that are in gaza now. we need more voices. their voices cannot be heard since they are, you know, underground, in houses, in captivity. they cannot talk. and somebody needs to raise their voice. and we are doing it because we need the help of the international organization. >> did you expect romi to be released last week during the temporary truce? >> yes. we were sure that romi would be released on friday. there are only 18 women in gaza now. and we were so sure she would be released on friday, even saturday. but that didn't happen. it was so horrible for us. it was so terrible. i was awake since 4:30 in the morning waiting to see if there is a list, when the list is coming out. and no list. not just no list, the fighting started again. and, you know, we were so close, so close to her back. her and all the other women. and it didn't happen. >> has anyone been able to give you any explanation why she wasn't released earlier? >> no. we have a cabinet meeting the next day. you know, it's already a tuesday in israel. so, today we will have a meeting with our cabinet, the war cabinet. and we expect to get answers regarding the fact that they weren't released. and we're afraid. we're worried. it's not just romi. it's young women, young women in the hands of those terrorists that made all those horrible actions during the 7th of october. >> we should also point out that your daughter is among a number of hostages who are known to have been injured. your daughter was shot in the hand. hersh goldberg-polin had his arm blown off. i understand some of the hostages told you that romi is still alive, that they had seen her, that you got proof of life for the first time. what did you learn? what did they say? >> they just said they saw her. she's alive. but they also said that the wound, the shotgun wound, is not treated well, and it is neglected and it is not properly treated. so, i'm worried. we are worried for all the people, not just people that have been shot, the people with illnesses inside gaza, which are not treated well. it's a matter of life and death. >> i know another reason you do interviews is if by chance romi is able to hear you and hear something you say. so, is there something you would want her to hear tonight? >> yes, yes. i will say it in english, and she understands. you know, it's not the world. it's not the word. it's what i feel about her. she's a strong woman. she's a strong and very beautiful woman. she knows we believe in her. she knows we love her. i told her on the phone when i thought she was going to die, i told her, you're not alone, romi. we are with you. i love you. i miss you. i know you are strong. i know that wherever you are, you're helping others. i know you help others, make them feel a little bit more safe together. so, i expect you to know that we are coming to take you out. we are doing everything we can to help you and all the other hostages come back home. >> i wish you continued strength in the difficult days ahead. and i hope you have good news soon. thank you. >> thank you very much. thank you, anderson. next, in the face of new reporting, what a second trump presidency would look like and allegations it could be a threat to democracy. the former president points the finger elsewhere without honest. we're keeping him honest. later a troubling story about a hero who was saving civilian lives but ended up shot by an israeli soldier. facing criticisms and concerns about his recent declaration about how he'll run a second term in office and the threat some say it poses to democracy, the former president is responding in a familiar fashion. he's accusing the accuser. here's how responded to the idea of president biden campaigning on that notion. >> so, if joe biden wants to make this race of a question of which candidate will protect our democracy and defend our freedoms, i say to crooked joe, the most corrupt president we've ever had, we will win that fight and we're going to win it very good. joe biden is not the defender of american democracy. joe biden is the destroyer of american democracy. >> the former president over the weekend, perhaps it should go without saying, there's no evidence that president biden is the destroyer of american democracy. also this is nothing new. here's his response during the final 2016 presidential debate to hillary clinton's allegation that vladimir putin wanted him to win. >> he'd rather have a puppet as president. >> no puppet, no puppet. you're the puppet. >> the man who would become the 45th president of the united states. his former lawyer and fixer michael cohen calls it deflection by projection. whatever you want to call it, the former president has done this again and again. the difference this time, though, a trump presidency is one with no guardrails. congresswoman liz cheney this morning issued this warning. >> do you believe if donald trump were elected next year that he would try to stay in office beyond a second term? that he would never leave office? >> there's no question. >> you think he would try to stay in power forever. >> absolutely. a vote for donald trump may mean the last election that you ever get to vote in. and again, i don't say that lightly. and it, i think, is heartbreaking that that's where we are. people have to recognize that a vote for donald trump is a vote against the constitution. >> perspective now from cnn chief correspondent and anchor of "the source," kaitlan collins, also adam kinzinger. congressman, what's your reaction when you see the former president trying to flip the script like this? >> yeah, i mean, it's his thing. this is what he does. he'll never admit fault. he always blames everybody else. he's the biggest victim of really any politician ever. he's always the victim of a circumstance, despite being the most powerful man in the world at one point. i don't think anybody's seen him say that actually believes it. nobody believes it. whether you're left, right, or center. the problem is, we've gotten to such a tribal moment that the republicans, many of them, particularly elected officials, have given up. they basically compromised themselves to empower the former president. and now when he says something like that, they won't call him out because now, if you turn around and call the former president out, you have to admit your role in what you've done to empower him. and trust me, anderson, it's much easier to go back to the tribe, have everybody put their arm around you, say you're fine, just stick with us, everything will be okay. then actually looking in the mirror and admitting this. nobody believes what he's saying. all that matters though -- >> plenty of people actually do believe what he's saying. a lot of his support es believe what he's says, no? >> yeah, they believe what he's saying. when they say, joe biden is a bigger threat to democracy. of course there are going to be some people that believe it. the vast majority of people in the job i used to have for instance, in congress, they know that's bunk. if you put them on cia truth ser m, they're going to tell you, yeah, donald trump is a bigger threat to democracy. doesn't mean you have to agree with joe biden's points or his policies, but absolutely. and that's the problem is when leaders don't come out and say that, then people that are watching tv or watching the former president, they have no counter that they trust to what the former president is saying. >> kaitlan, how confident do you think the trump team is this reduction of the no puppet strategy. >> it's completely predictable. but it's more sophisticated if that's the term to use here, given how much they're making it part of the campaign. this isn't just him spit balling. he isn't just saying this off the cuff. it's in his speech of repaired remarks. they've printed off signs saying, biden attacks democracy, in all caps. that's what they're passing out at these rallies. it's the same playbook we've seen trump use time and time again. remember when he brought the clinton accusers out after the "access hollywood" tape came out and his personal life was the subject of all of the headlines and the front pages. and his conduct, obviously he was the one running for president then. so, it's entirely predictable. but they're fashioning it into an actual campaign tool now. and they know what was clear this weekend listening to those speeches from the former president is they know biden's chief argument going into 2024 is going to be about trump being a threat to democracy. he used it the last time, and they're trying to push back on that by basically equating it. trump is literally accused of trying to overturn the election. he is going to be on trial for that not long from now portionly. so, i think that is at the heart of this, is even though he's trying to accuse biden of being the person who's antidemocratic, he is literally going to be on trial on charges that he tried to overturn the election. >> kaitlan, you've done a lot of reporting on trump and his supporters, do you think when he says it they believe it? >> yeah, i think they wholeheartedly believe it. and i don't think they draw the distinction. i think some republican lawmakers certainly are disingenuous and they say one thing publicly and privately acknowledge another thing. i think when you go to these rallies -- and i've been to more trump rallies than you can count on many hands -- they see it and they believe it and they listen to him. when he continues to push this and push this narrative about president biden, i think it gets through to them. >> congressman, we're seeing some republicans who allegedly don't support the former president, get wobbly. chris sununu when asked if he would support president biden, he said, i'm a republican. bill barr, who eviscerated trump on kaitlan's program this summer, said the former president shouldn't be anywhere near the oval office. he said he still wouldn't rule out voting for him. i mean, can you reconcile that? >> yeah, anderson. i have lost your audio there, but i'll tell you, look, i did catch the question. yeah, i mean, the bottom line on this is it doesn't make any sense to me, it doesn't make an ounce of sense, that a republican, who says that donald trump is a big threat, the biggest threat. he was awful in the oval office. would then turn around, purely based on politics, purely based on a dislike of joe biden's policies, when there is such a big threat. it makes no sense to me, except to say that, look, it's hard. if you would say, i'm not going to support former president trump against joe biden, you're going to lose your base. people are going to be upset at you. but, again, that's what leadership is. and just quickly on this whole, like, donald trump, kind of, you know, switching the script. keep in mind, he constantly says joe biden is weak on china. i don't agree on everything joe biden does on china. but i sat in an oval office meeting where president trump begged us -- begged us -- to allow china c te to continue to operate in the united states because he made a personal plea or personal promise to xi jinping. that's what he does. it's whatever he feels like saying, he'll say. but easy had the direct opposite, usually of what he says. >> kaitlan, what do you think the biggest difference would be between a trump first term and a possible second term? >> the one main thing that sticks out, when i talk to people who worked for trump in the white house the last time around is, any time he wanted to -- it was all the art of how to deal with him, how to negotiate with him, how to navigate him. even his own staff when they were trying to talk him out of things. and often one of the most successful arguments would be, if you do this, it's going to hurt you with voters. and it was effective. it was one of the only ones, that and him getting bad press. so, that would be completely gone. and i think he has this idea of just the people that he hired himself working against him, that the people he would hire this time, he would ensure that they would be people who would not do that, who would, you know, for what bill barr has said, he won't rule out whether or not he'd vote for trump. he was certainly someone who blocked a lot of the things that trump tried to do because he felt they were illegal or just wrong. those kinds of people wouldn't be there. it would be the kash patels, the rick grinnells, the other officials he did install into top positions who could do even more senior roles that do work to carry out not only what he wants but also what they themselves want. i think that would be what would be so remarkably different. he doesn't really have anything to fear because it would be his last term in office. >> congressman, a year ago, two yearsing a, people would say, oh, well, who's he going to get to work for him in a second administration? i think we're going to see, there is enough people out there who are happy to subvert democracy or be on the winning side, no matter what the effect on the country is. >> look no further than jeffrey clark at the department of justice. basically the attorney general -- this is before it was cool to be against the constitution in the gop. he basically was telling donald trump, i will do whatever you want. this is around the time that donald trump was wanting the department of justice -- think about this -- to say, just say the election was corrupt. don't need you to do anything else. just say it was corrupt and then leave the rest to me and the republican congressman. what he's saying -- and it's what he continues to do -- is just put a little stamp of doubt, like an official stamp of doubt, and then we will exploit that doubt to actually, you know, benefit in the minds of the american people. look, i guarantee you donald trump can easily find ten people, and he can even pick the best of the ten that would easily say, mr. president, i will do whatever you want regardless of what the constitution says. those people are out there. and guess what, anderson, those people are actually pretty smart. that's what i worry about too. >> congressman kinzinger. thanks, kaitlan. we'll see you at the top of the hour for "the source." just ahead tonight, why israel initially failed to investigate the killing by a soldier of an israeli civilian turned hero during a deadly attack by hamas and what prime minister benjamin netanyahu meant when he said, quote, that's life. the power goes out and we still have wifi to do our homework. and that's a good thing? great in my book! who are you? no power? no problem. introducing storm-ready wifi. now you can stay reliably connected through power outages with unlimited cellular data and up to 4 hours of battery back-up to keep you online. only from xfinity. home of the xfinity 10g network. when two palestinian gunmen opened fire at a bus stop in gent jerusalem last week, a lawyer acted he rowically to stop them. three israelis were killed by the hamas gunman, seven injured. hamas claimed credit for the attack. despite giving every indication he was not a terrorist, including kneeling with his hands up and opening his jacket to show he had no suicide vest -- was shot by the soldier. when asked about the mistake of civilians carrying guns, said, quote, that's life. alex marquardt has more on a belated investigation and an arrest. and a warning what you're about to see is disturbing. >> reporter: video posted online shows yuval cacastleman, a form israeli police officer with his hands in the air. then he's shot at twice. then twice more. on the ground, his shirt bloodied, and clearly in pain. he later died of his wounds. castleman had sprung into action, when this light colored car pulled up on thursday at a jerusalem bus stop. two hamas gunmen jump out and opened fire on the crowd and try to run away. three are killed. as the terrorists try to drive away, castleman runs across the road and opens fire with his pistol, to help take down the attackers. but an army reservist here also opens fire on castleman. two soldiers from this red car run out with their weapons. castleman apparently trying to show he's not an attacker. he has his hands in the air and his jacket open. but he appears to have been killed by a reservist, a fellow israeli. in prime minister benjamin netanyahu's first comments about castleman's dental ath, he said that's life when israelis carry guns. netanyahu later called castleman's actions supreme bravery. friends and family gathered monday night for shiba, a jewish mourning period. his sister and best friend showed me a photo album. he is also a former police officer and says they are outraged castleman was shot with his hands up. >> he was murdered. >> so what is the hardest part of all this for you? >> i lost my brother because of a stupid mistake. it was a stupid mistake. it should never have happened. and if -- i know that if they were following the same orders that i was given and that they were given, my friend would still be alive. >> reporter: castleman's father sits low on the floor, as is custom, as guests pay their pres respects. he calls his son a hero and wants an investigation into what happened. [ speaking in a non-english language ] all his life, yuval was that kind of person, moshe said. that's how he behaved, despite knowing he was taking a risk and endangering his life, he didn't hesitate. >> alex marquardt joins us now from tel aviv. what more can you tell us about the person that's been arrested? >> this reservist is being investigated by the military police. he has been identified by the press. his name is -- the idf has cautioned that there wouldn't be an indictment until this investigation is over. they have underscored what they call a clear moral rule in the idf, that when someone puts their hands up, that you don't shoot. anderson, we have seen a steady stream of high profile politicians going to shiba with the family, president isaac herzog of israel, the war minister, benny gantz. we saw a senior member of the la qud party. it's similar to the debate we have in the u.s. over the theory of a good guy with a gun. here was a good guy with a gun, who was shot and killed trying to intervene in a terrorist attack, anderson. >> alex marquardt, thanks very much. former harvard scholar who specializes in online disinformation claims the school forced her out after mark zuckerberg and his wife gifted harvard hundreds of millions of dollars. harvard denies the allegation. the story next. the former president, who tried to overturn an election, calls the man who legally succeeded him a threat to democracy, the obvious facts are at a premium in the 2024 presidential race. that may be one reason why a new allegation from a former harvard scholar who specializes in disinformation about the alleged influence of facebook founder mark zuckerberg and his wife on her work is raising concerns. donie o'sullivan tonight has details. >> this was going to be a knockdown, draggout fight for my academic freedom. >> reporter: for years, dr. joan done van has been one of the top experts on social media disinformation. he wrote dozens of papers, authored a book about extremism online, even testified before congress. she led a special program at harvard called the technology and social change research project until she says she was forced out. >> harvard tried to destroy my career. i believe it was just the decision of the dean to terminate me because i was making trouble for the donors. >> reporter: the donors she's referring to are facebook founder mark zuckerberg and his wife, who both attended harvard. they gave a $500 million donation in 2021. but the trouble is part of donovan's research involves holding big tech companies, like the company zuckerberg founded, meta, which includes facebook, accountability to everything from disinformation to teen suicide to war propaganda. in 2021 when a facebook whistleblower leaked thousands of internal company documents, donovan began building a database at harvard to make all the documents publicly available. >> i believe these were the most important documents in internet history. i saw these facebook papers as evidence that facebook knew the harms it was causing and did nothing about it. akin to the way in which tobacco companies tried to hide research about lung cancer. >> reporter: after that, she believes meta began turning up the pressure on harvard. >> i don't think i would have been in the position that i'm in right now if i had not proceeded with this project. >> reporter: donovan would help a group whistleblower eight sent this to harvard, the u.s. secretary of education, and the massachusetts attorney general, alleging harvard officials began adopting meta's language and questioned dr. donovan's research methodologies, specifically with respect to facebook. acting on behalf of meta's best interest and compared meta's behavior to oil and gas and big pharma, each of which manipulated institutions into producing research projects that supported their respective industries. >> this field is being run by tech oligarchs who believe that academic research should be a wing of their pr. >> reporter: meta has long pushed back against research that blames the company for harming society, but the company did not comment for this story. harvard told cnn any astatement, allegations of mistreatment of false. baseless insinuations, particularly the allegation harvard kennedy school allowed facebook to dictate its approach to research. the facebook leaked document project ended up going ahead and the university's work on online disinformation continues. but donovan says harvard has damaged its credibility. >> i mean, it's gutting. here i am at harvard, believing that they would protect the sanctity of the truth and that they were understanding that this work was going to ruffle some feathers. but what i didn't imagine was that i would need protection from harvard itself. >> and donie o'sullivan joins us now. what is the status of the doctor's research. >> reporter: so, dr. donovan now is working at boston university. but a big part of her problem is a lot of the research she did at harvard is locked in at harvard, and a lot of that data. as you heard, in that piece, meta, which has a very substantial communications department, had no comment on this story today, which was quite unusual for a company that likes to defend itself. the chan-zuckerberg initiative, which gave half a billion dollars to harvard, just in the past hour put out a statement saying they had no involvement in dr. donovan's departure from harvard and was unaware of that development before public reporting on it. harvard is strongly, strongly denying this. i will say from speaking to other researchers in this space, this is a, kind of -- they weren't entirely surprised when they heard this about dr. donovan. and just taking a step back further from this, this is all comes as we're going to 2024. disinformation researchers, people who are calling out this sort of stuff, how it's happening on social media, where it's coming from, how it's affecting people, they're being attacked on all sides. because you have the republicans and the house of representatives who are subpoenaing them. they're getting sued left, right, and center. there really is an attack on academic freedom generally in this country, in this space, which is really a crucial space, particularly going into 2024. >> donie o'sullivan, appreciate it. up next, in a word, harry enten joins me to reveal oxford's 2023 word of the year. first time i connected with kim, she told me that her husband had passed. and that he took care of all of the internet connected devices in the home. i told her, “i'm here to take care of you.” connecting with kim... made me reconnect with my mom. it's very important to keep loved ones close. we know that creating memories with loved ones brings so much joy to your life. a family trip to the team usa training facility. i don't know how to thank you. i'm here to thank you. the publisher of the oxford english dictionary has announced his pick for the 2023 word of the year. our resident expert, harry enten, joins us with details. >> so, do you have a guess of what the word of the year is? >> how would i guess what the word of the year is? i don't know. mish gas? >> no, that would have been my word of the year. so, the word of the year is rizz, r-i-z-z. do you have any idea what this word may actually mean? >> i do not. >> i have been told that it is a noun or a verb -- it can be either way -- it's basically the charisma to attract somebody. >> oh, yeah, i just saw this online yesterday. maybe that's why i saw it. >> so, you were reading. >> the charisma to attract somebody. so, you've got rizz. you've got a lot of rizz. >> correct. and tom holland didn't have rizz. this is one of the reasons it became a big thing. he said, oh, i didn't have a lot of rizz and i played the long game to get zendaya. this is how this became the word of the year, rizz. now, i do have some other questions for you. do you happen to know any of the finalists words? >> how would i know? i didn't know rizz. >> well, you did know rizz. >> how about shonda. >> yes, shonda. what a shonda. it would be such a shonda if you did not know these woerds. >> what were some of the finalists? >> some of the finalists. one of them is a situation shift. >> that i have not heard. >> i have not heard that either. >> it's not a relationship, it's a situationship. >> you're not sure where it's going. you're, kind of, going out with somebody. you're not really sure where it's headed. >> like a little netflix and chill situationship. >> yes. something i used to be familiar with. swifty, that's clearly taylor swift. >> that's direct. it's a massive fan of taylor swift. i know of course you're a massive fan of taylor swift. >> of course. >> of course. >> i actually think she's great actually. >> she is great. she is great. i should also note on the short list, i feel like we're making up words sometimes. so, a beige flag instead of a red flag is -- >> what? that i've never heard. is that a thing? has anyone heard of that? >> ono, no. >> kevin, you're in tune with the kids. >> i don't know. i'm a millennial. got a gen z. >> i'm going to put a beige flag on that one. coming up next who are has qualified for the republican presidential debate. i'll tell you who's out. the republican national committee has just announced that only four candidates will take part in next week's fourth presidential debate in tuscaloosa alabama. asa hutchinson didn't make the cut due to polling and fundraising rules. and the rest have suspended their campaigns, including doug burgum. we'll have post debate coverage wednesday night. the news continues. "the source" with kaitlan "the source" with kaitlan collins starts now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com tonight, straight from "the source," dire new warnings about a second term of donald trump six weeks out from the first votes of 2024. he is claiming it is president biden who is antidemocratic. plus, just in, we have jus

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