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he is the only person to be secretary of state and world leader. he didn't seem to mind. >> his greatest concern was that the influence of the united states would collapse as a super power. he was concerned that the united states had to get out of vietnam, so he designed this structure with nixon, and it continues to influence us to this day, and as we are controversial with china, the foundation was begun with henry kissinger and richard nixon. he loved to be the limelight and on the world stage and other stages, too. he was perfectly adept at charming those who entinteracte with him. he was not a retiring professor. he was a professor who loved theater. lashing out, deflecting and denying. george santos is speaking on capitol hill as he is staring down the possibility of being expelled, and what is to happen in the house. and what the former president said that he was told and absolutely understood that failing to comply with the subpoena of the justice department would be a crime. new reporting this morning. and secretary of state tony blinken is in west bank to meet with israeli and palestinian leaders and back within hours after the fragile truce was extended for one more year between israel-hamas. and could we see more hostages out and more aid in. kate is on assignment, and i'm sara sidner with john berman, and this is cnn "news central." right now, the house is gaveling in as the house members weigh the political future of george santos. there is a measure to kick him out of congress, and this morning, he made it clear, he is not going quietly. >> if i leave, think win. if i leave, the bullies take place. and this is bullying. the chair of the committee putting out a motion to expel, and just introducing it, and not calling privilege is designed to force me to resign and it is theater for the cameras, and theeter for the microphones and the theater for the american people, because no real work is getting done. >> the ethics committee would say otherwise, because they have receipts, and this is all unfolding after the house ethics committee says they have found that he defrauded voters and using donor money on himself on things like botox, luxury goods and lavish personal vacations. that is not all. santos is facing 23 federal charges including wire fraud and lying to the fcc and the house of representatives and identity theft and device fraud and money laundering and stealing money funds. this is a rare and historic move making him just the sixth person ever to be kicked out of the people's house. manu raju is joining us from capitol hill this morning. manu, i know that you have been talking to a lot of the lawmakers there as you always do, and does it look like he might survive this attempt to oust him? >> it is possible in large part because of the republican leadership signaling opposition to the measure. i spoke to the house leader mike johnson who was concerned about the precedent it might set. the other five members who have been expelled from the house, two of them were convicted in the court of laws, and the other three were part of the confed ra circumstances and george santos has not been convigtd yet. he has been charged with 23-count indictment, and he has plead not guilty, and so it would set a precedent, but it would narrow the house republican majority which is already razor thin, and something that is not lost on the minds of many republicans, but i spoke to one of the republs precedent that would be set, and one of them pushing for his ouster said that is okay. >> this individual who has lied about every single thing about himself and the background and the precedent is when you are lying about everything, we will expel you. >> and some even said that there is some kind of expedited process which i don't like that. i am going to look at it seriously, because it does set a very serious precedent and i am concerned about the due process. >> reporter: we spoke to the house judiciary chairman jim jordan who is opposed to the expelling him, because it should be up to the voters and the math is for the voters who would have to flip the vote of four now, and we are looking at 18 right now, and if expected this vote could be very close. >> 2/3 vote, and manu raju, very hard to get for anything in the time that we live in now, and we know that you will be all over it. and now the senior data reporter harry enten, and george santos did not resign this morning when he gave the news conference. and many of his constituents wished he did. >> we have long islanders where he is from, and 83% of them wish he would. richard nixon resigned in august of '74, and only 60% supported that decision for him to resign, and so more long islanders want george santos to resign than those who wanted richard nixon to resign in 1974. >> so you heard them say that they will not vote for expulsion, and should they fear a expulsion? >> no, because this is republicans who held a positive view, and nationally, and 15% of the republicans, republicans nationwide hold a positive view of george santos, and again, are remember, richard nixon a bipartisan push to get him out, but there were a lot of republicans who still liked him, and 50%, and george santos at 15% falls well short of that historical analogy. >> so maybe not a backlash that they fear, but republicans like jim jordan and maybe the house speaker mike jorson may fear is the pure numbers game? >> and maybe this is it right here. so the u.s. house balance of power. the republicans have 222 seats, and the democrats have 213, and this is tied for the narrowest majority in 90 years. so if they lose one less vote for mike johnson, that is less of a chance to pass the legislation. >> i ask you this if there is a special election in the new york congressional election, is it clear who is favored? >> not necessarily, because biden won the district by eight points in 2020, but looking at 2022, joe pinion, republican won it by four point, and it is a swing district, and it is one that was won by republicans after joe biden. >> so not a slam dunk. and back by popular demand, and we did it once, and it was an internet sensation, and took over the internet, harry. >> that is what we do here. >> and so, where does george santos stand in popularity. >> so nationally, just 7% of republicans of voters of voter in new york's 3rd district hold a positive view of him. and 10% of americans belief that the earth is flat. and 12% believe that the u.s. faked the moon landing. so few believe that mendoza land. so if you can't get above the earth is flat and the u.s. faked the moon landing, you have a problem. >> the world needs you two. and now, nicole malliotakis, and you from new york, and the new york delegation has been hot on this issue, and very worried about it, but you voted to not remove santos last time, and are you going to be changing your vote after this scathing ethics investigation. >> yes, i believe that the earth is round, and that george santos needs to go. and the previous vote is that the democrats and the republicans voted against it simply because we were waiting for the ethics to do the due diligence and come back to furnish the report to see what evidence and facts they were able to find. that is what we requested of the ethics committee this year, and premature to be voted on the expulsion before getting the results of the investigation, but following the report being released, i don't see how anybody can vote to keep him here, and it is clear they found the evidence and the facts and produced it to us that he took money from his campaign donors and used it for personal reasons. the argument that this will be that he needs his day in court, yes, he will have the day in court as it results to the criminal charges, and 23 criminal charge, but he had due process as pertains to the expulsion and remaining in the house. >> okay. your colleague, and speaker of the house, mike johnson says he has reservations to expel santos, and the precedence, and does that give you pause? >> well, he has been clear, and he says that every member has to vote their conscious and their constituents, and i am under the belief that he does not have the trust of his constituents for the members of congress, and the sooner he is removed, the better off we will all be. so that is my belief, and i believe that my constituents aggree with me. >> what are you hearing from your colleagues and constituent, because harry enten is saying that the voters are deeply, deeply unhappy with george santos, and what are the colleagues saying to you, and how do you believe they will vote that he will be expelled? >> well, like i said, i believe that many of the individuals who voted know a couple of weeks ago, because it was premature prior to the vote being released will flip. we will have the votes necessary to remove him. as was mentioned, this is historic and the first republican by the way who has been expelled. the previous five members were democrats. this should not be political, but it is what is right is right, and what is wrong is wrong. somebody who inappropriately took donations from his donors and then spent it on luxury items and only fans website, botox, they should not be here. somebody who created fake loans and then used the donor money to repay himself should not be here. as i said, the due process point, the part about having due process, look, the committee reviewing and doing, they reviewed 170,000 pages of documents and issued 38 subpoenas and interviewed 40 witnesses, and that is due process. that is what we asked the ethics committee to do, and their recommendation is to expel, and we should do that and honor it immediately. >> and congresswoman, this is a very, very tight majority that the republicans have in the house, and are you concerned that republicans won't be able to hold on to this seat? >> look, of course, i'm concerned can about losing a republican vote, but it should not be taken into account at this moment, and the question is whether this man deserves to remain in congress, and he does not, and i believe that we should hold on to that seat in a special election, and nassau county, if you are following the trends, they have flipped everything in the county, and not just the races, but the district attorney, the county legislature, and i have faith that the nassau county operation is going to be able to maintain the seat going forward. it is up to the voters at the end of the day. >> you have said two things to stick in my mind. the earth is round and george santos should be expelled. i appreciate your time for coming on and being very forth coming. thank you. >> two facts. thank you. and now, antony blinken is in tel aviv meeting with the leader as the truce is expected to end tonight unless it is extended again. and also, the look of a role of what led for president trump to be remain in power and was mistakingly released last night. and the political director of vivek ramaswamy's campmpaign is now leavining his s campaign t toto team trumump. >> all right. happening now, we have learned that two israeli hostages are on the way back to israel, and we have just learned they were transferred by the red cross. at the same time antony blinken is making a visit back to extend the pause between israel and hamas in gaza. there is a bus stop shooting that killed three people, and in response to the shooting, the israel prime minister once again continued the meeting to investigate the circumstances around this. >> yes, there is a meeting with benjamin netanyahu to continue the ongoing negotiations of the release of hostages held by hamas inside of gaza, but the need to extend this fragile truce now in the seventh day for as long as possible. this truce agreed to one more day, one more extension just in the final moments before it expired last night under the same terms that we have seen for the past week, and 24 hours of a pause of fighting in exchange for every ten living hostages released by hamas. this is coming as israeli negotiators believe there are that hostages held by hamas inside of gaza with just enough women and children hostages remaining to allow for perhaps one or two more days of a truce at best before the discussions have to turn necessarily to the potential release of israeli civilian men and soldiers, and obviously, a much more difficult discussion and proposition, so at this point, there a looming sense of not if the fighting is going to resume, but when. still the secretary of state antony blinken is hailing this as a victory. listen to what he had to say to israeli prime minister isaac herzog. >> from day one, we have been focused relentlessly on trying to secure the release of the hostages from hamas in gaza. we have seen over the last week the very positive result of hostages being released to go home to their families. and even today, we are seeing the increase of humanitarian assistance to the citizens of gaza who need it, and we hope that can continue. >> reporter: john, the focus of the american side of course, remains the focus on the americans, and one released yesterday, but in custody seven men and one woman. >> this is a fluid process, and thank you for that, and keep us posted. and now, to protect the troops when the war ramps back up, and one solution back on the table is saying, look, have the residents move back to the north and an area evacuated at the beginning of the war, because israel said they would have heavy military operations there. if you are looking on the map there, all of the red that you can see up there marks damage in gaza, and most of it is there in the north and huge swathes of damage. so, that leaves it uninhabitable in many places, and as much as 50% of the structures in the north are damaged, and m.j. lee brings us this reporting in the white house, and m.j. is israel being receptive at all to this idea of sending people to a, you know, back to the north while they do operations in the south? >> well, sara, the discussions are active right now between the u.s. and israeli officials and really just about what the military operations by israel would look like once this truce ends. president biden and the top aides have been stressing to the israeli counterparts what they do not want to see once the war picks back up again is the kind of the massive air campaign that we saw in northern gaza to be directed in southern gaza. one of the ideas that we are told that is being deliberated is the civilians initially fled south eventually moving back up north once the military operations have concluded there, but as you noted and as you showed on the map, this is a significant undertaking given the reality that so much of northern gaza has been completely decimated, and this is a big part of the reason why we are seeing the u.s. officials to talk so much about the importance of surging that humanitarian aid not just into gaza, but northern gaza. now, israel has of course made clear that they are not done in northern gaza, but they will eventually turn its focus to southern gaza, and one of the reasons we are told is that there is intelligence that shows that hamas leadership had fled south. >> yes, and another big thing is that i am watching the damage of no humanitarian aid there either, and that is a whole thing to try to get it back into the north. all right. as all of this is playing out, and how is president biden seeing all of this, and handling it as he is watching this extremely intense negotiations? >> yes, sara. here, domestically, this is a difficult situation for the president providing the aid to israel, and some lawmakers are sad needs to be conditioned on specific humanitarian provisions, and we are seeing a tension right now here in the u.s. between wanting the war to eventually come to an end and really come to an end as quickly as possible while minimizing the criticism that the white house has already received while also continuing to support israel's stated mission of eradicating hamas's ability to do what it did back on october 7th. but the recognition here at least for now really is that the war whenever it does return, it needs to return in a very different shape and form, sara. >> m.j., the reporting stellar as always. thank you for all of the details. john? >> it is going to be a crime. new reporting, and that is the warning from former president donald trump's attorney that she says that he absolutely understood. and wet tents, and what the migrants are facing as winter sets in. you're probably not easily persuaded to switch mobile providers for your business. but what if we told you it's possible that comcast business mobile can save you up to 75% a year on your wireless bill versus the big three carriers? it's true. plus when you buy your first line of mobile, you get a second line free. there are no term contracts or line activation fees. and you can bring your own device. oh, and all on the most reliable 5g mobile network nationwide. wireless that works for you. it's not just possible, it's happening. new this morning. how donald trump used powerful allies to look at the election results. scott perry and jeffrey clark as perry assures him that he is wanted for the attorney general's job. and perry is not wanted for any criminal charges, but given the text exchanges, could that change? >> well, we just don't know, but it is being fought over still how much they can access these scott perry text messages. it has been in the court for a long time, and the judge here in washington, d.c.,'s federal court judge howell illuminated what the text messages were under seal confidential two years ago, and now we are getting a glimpse of it because of an unsealing briefly that happened yesterday what the text messages are of scott perry, and other top officials including jeffrey clark. and we knew the gist of them, that perry wanted to find ways to help trump after the election, but now it is the exact wording, and specifically the wording to jeff clark at the white house when he was attorney general. potus is happy with your response and i read it just as you dictated and clark said, i am praying, and this is making me quite nervous and wondering if i am worthy or ready. and then the congressman says, perry, you are the man i have confirmed it, and god dez things for a reason. so he is coaching an administration official to try to help trump and also is acting as somewhat of a go between jeff clark and donald trump at a really crucial moment after the election. we will have to wait to see if these text messages come into play at the upcoming trial of donald trump as well. >> of course. and you have new information tobt c-- about the classified documents case? >> abc news put out a report about what one of the attorneys around donald trump had about the documents that he had at mar-a-lago had. we knew what some of the messages sounded like generally, but jennifer little was saying that you got a subpoena to return the classified records to the federal government now that you are no longer president, and you must comply, and you have got to comply is what jennifer little told the investigatorssh and we know that evan corcoran, and another attorney for donald trump was strong in the warnings to the president, you have to turn over what you have, and not all of the documents were turned over, and several of them were found in the fbi search of mar-a-lago, and it is possible that both jennifer little and evan corcoran could be called to testify against him, donald trump, in that upcoming trial scheduled for next may. sara. >> yes, and we also have donald trump in public saying in public that he didn't believe that he had to, and so he did have advice from counsel. thank you,caikatelyn polantz. and now, with us, ellie honig, and there are some doozy words that they teach in law

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