40,000 were liberated. he and his wife have been married for 75 years. for most of those year, he didn't talk about the war. but several years ago he was an honored guest at the united states holocaust memorial museum in washington and walked through a train box car exhibit. >> this was a very nice looking box car. but when i got at that box car to walk through it, that is when i broke down. >> reporter: hilbert is since on a mission to teach and inspire. he speaks to schools and organizations. >> let's give a warm welcome. >> reporter: and late last week, it was to hundreds of students at atlanta's st. pius x catholic school. >> close to 32,000 prisoners in those barracks when we were there that sunday morning. >> reporter: but he's never considered his speeches more important than he does today because of what happened in israel on october 7. in all the years you've been back from the war, and it has been almost 80 years, have you ever seen anti-semitic osm in t country as bad as it is today? >> no. i've had some incidents growing up, jacksonville, florida, and then in business, but nothing, nothing like it is happening now. >> reporter: his son jerry says he's never seen his 99-year-old father struggling with his emotions like he is now. >> he wants to talk about it and go a little deeper, but he can't. it is too painful to think that all this could happen over again. >> if it doesn't slow down, if it doesn't change -- >> the anti-semitism. >> right. then who is next? >> reporter: before we left hilbert, we thanked him for his heroism. >> never considered myself a hero because to me, the hero, the true heros are those that didn't make it back. those are the true heros. >> reporter: gary tuchman, cnn, atlanta. our thanks to gary tuchman for that report. >> this is cnn breaking news. >> hi, everyone. thanks for joining me. i'm jessica dean in for fredricka whitfield. and we begin with breaking news. israel defense forces just wrapping up a press conference a short time ago after releasing what they say is important new video from al-shifa hospital which has become a flash point of the war in gaza. the video shows what the idf says is a tunnel shaft on the hospital grounds. israel has long said that hamas uses the hospital to cover up what it says is an extensive terror network underground, something hamas and hospital officials have denied. oren lieberman entered gaza with the israeli defense forces last night to see the tunnel shaft for himself and what lies beneath there. and cnn reported from gaza under idf escort at all times as a condition for journalists, had to submit the footage for review. and cnn did retain editorial control over the final report. oren, we want to lay that out for everyone so they understand what they are seeing. walk us through what you saw there on the ground in gaza. >> reporter: of course. and all of that simply part of embedding with the israeli military. we spent about six hours in gaza. we crossed the border fence at 9:00 in the evening. so the entire time it was dark. gaza is and has been without power. and we came out crossing the border fence the other way at about 3:00 in the morning. the goal was to get to al-shifa hospital complex, and there on the ground we spent about 40 minutes to look at what they had discovered, only a day or two earlier. that is the opening of a tunnel shaft and to see its significance with this ongoing debate about was that namazi using the hospital for its own purposes with terror infrastructure below ground. no question hamas has had tunnels throughout gaza for years. that has been well established. but the question, is it under the hospital. here is what we saw. we go in under cover of darkness as we cross the border fence, lights out across the gaza strip. escorted by a tank, we switch into an armored personnel carrier for the final stretch. even through a night vision screen, you could see the magnitude of the destruction on the streets of gaza city. we off load at the al-shifa hospital and pickaway through what is left of it. we had to keep our lights off or risk exposing our position. cnn reported from gaza under israel defense forces escort at all times. as a condition to join, media outlets must submit footage filmed to military sensors for review. and now we wait inside a structure to make sure the area is secure before moving the short distance to the exposed tunnel shaft. and here is the entrance. you can see a ladder access to it. as i step over here, difficult to see how far down it goes, but it looks like there is almost a central shaft for a staircase and then the shaft disappears then down into the darkness. >> reporter: we move around the opening for a better look at the shaft itself. what is clear, it is meant to go deep underground. which direction does the tunnel go? >> we assume the tunnel goes out and it has another corridor to this way. >> reporter: towards the hospital. >> towards the hospital. meaning it connects the hospital to outside, which implies with the way that hamas is working, hamas is going out somewhere, shooting their forces and then back inside to a safe place. >> reporter: we weren't allowed to enter the shaft, but they sent special gear down to see where it leads. as the camera moves forward into a tunnel that makes a sharp left turn and at the end of another path, a metal door they say they have not yet opened because they fear it is booby-trapped. the idf spokesman says that some of the israeli hostages taken on october 7 were also brought to the hospital. he says one body was discovered 50 meters from the compound. >> we have evidence that they were holding hostages in ra rantisi, but also that they were bringing them to shifa. >> reporter: not proof of a hamas command center or headquarters under the hospital, but israel continues trying to build its case that hamas uses the sanctuary of the hospital for cover. hamas and hospital officials deny. the idf's ability to continue its operation in gaza and credibility of israel are at stake here as the number killed surpasses 12,000. the idf says one of its missions is to destroy hamas, but with international criticism mounting, israel has to show the terror organization is using civilians and infrastructure as cover to justify an ongoing war. in a statement, the idf says the tunnel shaft itself is about 10 meters, so 33 feet. and then once underground the length of the tunnel more horizontally is 50 5 meters. and they promise more evidence. >> and before we let you go, the idf also showing this video that reportedly shows hostages from the october 7 attack in israel taken to al-shifa hospital. what more are officials saying about that particular footage? >> reporter: so there are three hostages that they give more information about. the first we just saw, a 19-year-old whose body was brought to israel several days ago. they say an independent pathological investigation found she was still alive when she was taken in. her captor then killed in fighting and she was injured there. according to the idf, she was taken to shifa hospital where she was murdered there. theidf had said that she was murdered by hamas, but this is more detail. still unclear who conducted the independent pathological investigation. and they also put out information about two other hostages kidnapped october 7. a nepally citizen and a thai citizen. quite a number come to work on the farms at different times throughout the year. they were kidnapped the idf says and they have video of them in al-shifa hospital. and they point to that as more proof that hamas uses the hospital to conduct its terror activities. >> all right, oren lieberman for us in tel aviv tonight, thanks so much for that reporting. and i want to talk about all of this with retired brigadier general. thanks so much for being here. we welcome you to the show. we just saw this new video that the idf shows that tunnel at the al-shifa medical complex. as you are watching this and learning about it, what is your biggest takeaway? >> jessica, thank you. my biggest takeaway is virtually that entire part of gaza is laced with tunnels. and i have no doubt that there are tunnels under the hospital and adjacent buildings as we said throughout. whether it was a command center or not, they will have to short that out. that is still in debate. i think that we have to go back to the beginning where hamas has proven that it will use any type of cover and concealment and use the population for its protection cover and also for its operations as they scurry through those tunnels. i think what we've just seen borne down there, they have just gone like maybe 100, 200 yards. and there are, you know, just dozens and dozens and dozens of miles of these tunnels that as the idf now starts to begin its push down towards the south and rafah, these are cleared. and where are the hostages? and they may very well still be in those tunnels northern gaza. >> and it is interesting, you see in that video what they say is that metal door that they are afraid go into. they don't want to go in to it yet because they think it is booby-trapped. kind of underscores what could be down in these tunnels. >> jessica, you are absolutely right. you can expect explosives to be -- hamas is turning it into a devil's garden gown tdown there has time too dig explosives in the walls and shafts. small units go in and the whole thing is blown down on them. so this is hard. it takes long. what is significant is while the idf has seized most of the top ground, it is still a nasty, nasty environment down there are clearly hamas is still operating. and idf has been careful. god bless they reported, what, 53 dead which is a lot, but to really push in there, it is going to take ground forces and infantry. they have tried do it with air power. and missiles. and the nasty job of clearing the tunnels and getting around the corner and worrying about the explosives. and then losses will go up significantly. and naturally. and logically the idf wants to be as economical as possible. but time is not on their side. and they know it. their whole global media court is out there watching them. and much of the global street. so they have to get this done. now, when you are in a hurry, bad things happen when you are in a hurry. and so this requires patience. but they have got to move at the same time with alacrity and in the middle of this, where are the hostages. and that is still in play. >> and i want to ask you about the hostages. because these babies, these children, these women, these elderly people, sick people, are still being held hostage. the idf releasing video also today that shows what it says are some of the hostages being taken into al-shifa hospital. why is that important in terms of this video that they are putting out there, and, also, what do you make of us hearing from representatives from the nsa saying that they are closer than they have been yet in hopefully getting some of these hostages out? >> first of all, god knows what those negotiations involve. it is a pretty cold blooded discussion. the fact that hamas is clearly using them as a bargaining tool to get their way to stall, protect themselves. and israelis are on to it. but you have in israel and worldwide a major push, get our hostages out at any cost. as i try to explain, the harder and faster that you push, the more ugliness occurs when you are fighting in a teami oiging civilian population area where a humanitarian disaster is occurring. so israelis are damned if they do and damned if they don't. they are negotiating hard and hamas i think knows that they have got that card. and qatar is trying to be the honest broker. but there are just so many pieces. and finally, if you get -- if we get a chunk of the hostages out, that still means that -- say 100 come out, still 100 still there as a bargaining chip. and, you know, this dance of death continues. so it is the perfect storm. i can't think of a more diabolical scenario that has occurred in recent military social history where you have an absolutely snarled situation of bad choices. hamas won't give up the hostages without -- and it is taking time and the longer it takes time it get in the tunnels. and you have this humanitarian crisis in gaza and states aligning the area are increincreas increasingly impatient like egypt and jordan. and with all of this going on, what is happening up in the nor northern. so far from the end. >> just so many layers as you've laid out. general peter zwack, thanks for your expertise. just moments ago president biden arrived in norfolk, virginia where he will meet with members of the military and their families ahead of the thanksgiving holiday. natasha bertrand is joining us now. and is the president -- or his administration -- saying anything about the video we were just talking about that has been released by the idf today? >> reporter: they haven't reacted yet to that specific video or specific images from the idf, but we did ask national security council for comment and they pointed back to what the administration said previously about israeli claims that hamas is operating command and control centers within al-shifa hospital and underneath it. and essentially the u.s. agrees with the israelis, they have said that intelligence suggests that the terror group is using al-shifa hospital as command and control and storage facility for weapons. and john finer did speak to this as well this morning and he said that based on the intelligence information that the u.s. has, they still believe that hamas is using al -shifa as command and control. and so they have not yet commented on this new image of the video that we've seen. of course there have been a number of contintunnels and the this donetunnel that they found further evidence that they were using it as a command center. the idf says that it will be releasing more information about that, but for now, u.s. standing baez really in terms of the intelligence suggesting that hamas has been using hospitals including al-shifa as command nodes. >> all right, natasha, thank you. just ahead, donald trump taking his campaign near the southern border as he escalates his anti-immigrant rhetoric. we have some sad news to report to you. formers first lady rosalynn carter has passed away at the age of 96. the carter center confirming her death just a few 3ew moments ag. here is wolf blitzer with a look back at her life. >> reporter: soft spoken small town girl, rosalynn carter became one of america's most charming first ladies. born in plains georgia in 1927, she was valedictorian of her high school class. and met and matterrried jimmy c t ter when he was in the u.s. navy. >> i love, respect and cherish my wife. >> reporter: when mr. carter's father died in 1953, they moved back to explains to manage the family's peanut farm. >> i didn't want to go home. i was having a good time. i think i had thought i had outgrown plains. gotten a little too big for my britches. only pouted for about a year after we got home. >> reporter: they had four children, three boys, jack, chip and jeff and later daughter amy. in 1962, jimmy carter entered politics and rosalynn hit the campaign trail. >> campaigning was fun. up to a certain point. i got to travel and see the whole country. most fun are the people you meet. >> reporter: and she supported her husband's successful bids to be georgia and then later president. mrs. carter was actively involved in her husband's presidency, attending camp david meetings and cabinet briefings. she was a strong advocate for equal treatment of mentally ill. >> if they had coverage, then the overall health care costs would come down. >> reporter: when the carters left the white house in 1981, she headed a new challenge, habitat for humanity. >> whole xhunky communities com together. >> reporter: and then they established the carter center promoting human rights, resolving conflicts and eradicating diseases. mrs. carter continued to focus on reducing the stigma of mental illness. >> i'm really, really proud and very impressed. >> reporter: another focus, care giving, an issue close to her heart as she told a congressional committee. >> it has been part of my life since i was 12 and my father was diagnosed with leukemia. we lived in a very small town and all the neighbors rallied around. but i still vividly remember going to my secret hiding place, the outdoor, to cry. that is where i could be alone. >> reporter: in 1999, rosalynn and jimmy carter were honored with the presidential medal ever freedom, the nation's highest honor for civilian. >> we've visited now more than 150 nations in the world. >> reporter: and she was often irritated that her husband was praised more for his achievements after his presidency than those of his administration. but she accepted that that was politics. >> doesn't matter what you do. you will be criticized for it. and so do what you want to do. >> reporter: and they were remarkably close first couple. jimmy carter used to say rosalynn was much more than his wife. >> always rosalynn to whom i turn for the primary advice and we make the decision together. she's the matriarch when our 11 grandchildren or four children have a problem, they call rosalynn first. >> reporter: and she remained by his side occasionally joining with other first families. and later, supporting each other in their twilight, she with dementia and mr. carter in hospice. and in the 39th president, rosalynn carter got more than just a husband. >> my life with jimmy carter has been more adventuresome than i dreamed it would be. >> rosalynn carter dead at the age of 96. and joining me now is jake tapper, chief washington correspondent. of course host of "the lead." jake, i'm watching that owebit piece. and you think of her close relationship with her husband, the former president, you also think about all the work that she did on behalf mental health advocacy. and really the role that she played as first lady. and really formalizing that role. what are your thoughts as we get this sad news? >> i think first of all that as you know, her advocacy for mental health was really decades ahead of its time. she started that work after her husband was elected governor of georgia in 1970. that is when she really started doing it, started -- she was appointed the governor's commission to approve services for the mentally handicapped and she did a statewide tour of mental health facilities across the state of georgia. and she described her efforts as her biggest accomplishment there as first lady of georgia. and she kept up that same campaign when she was first lady of the united states from '77 to 80 today. and you think about all the efforts that are right now being made for mental health and to bring mental health parity with other forms of health care. you think did how long it has taken for that to happen. and how much of a stigma still exists. and she was doing this campaign back in the '70s. she testified before congress on this issue in 1980, she was only the second first lady in history to testify before congress, first one was eleanor roosevelt. as really remarkable how ahead of the curve she was. and this really -- you know, this remains stigmatized in 2023. and she was doing this and it was kind of risky for her to be doing this. so i think that that in terms of her public service is really something to be lauded. and then of course there is the love that she and her husband had for each other, which was, you know, really remarkable love story. >> no doubt. and she was a woman, a first ad stigmatized thing, men ttal health, which people still fight to see a doctor. and it is remarkable how ahead of the curve she was in that. and another thing that is kind of -- that i always think about when something like this happens is it really is closing a chapter of american history. this was somebody that played a big role both in her personal life but also to a lot of americans. >> she did. and when she and her husband came to washington, d.c., they were kind of shunned for being of the modest means that they were. he was a peanut farmer. they were of humble origins. and though there were people of modest means that came for the white house after them, certainly the clintons and obamas were of at least originally of humble means, the carters were, you know, really were rural people and not of washington society. and that was something to their detriment in terms of washington society. but i have to say, and when i was in college, i did an internship at the carter center. and actually on the topic of middle east studies with dr. ken stein who had a big falling out with jimmy carter over israel and palestine many years later. but the love and the marriage and the romance between president jimmy and first lady rosalynn carter was something that i think charmed americans. even his tee detractors. their love was so remarkable. and several years ago in 2015, i got to interview president carter and i asked him what their secret was, how they were able to keep their marriage so strong. and he said, you know, a number of things. one was that it is really good -- you have to pick your partner carefully. you have to make sure that you pick the right woman or the right man. second, he said you have to give each other space to do your own things. three, he said basically don't go to sleep angry. don't go to bed angry. you have to reconcile before you go to bed at night. and then fourth he said try to find everything you can think of that you like to do together. for them, that was family. so for anybody out there, i mean, i do think that rosalynn carter had -- she had a wonderful life. she really did have a wonderful life. i mean, it is a life to be celebrated. it is sad that she has left. but she did have a wonderful life. and i think that that is one of the great things about the carters, that they always have known how blessed they were and they have always celebrated that. and their marriage is something that i think that we can all look up to and all take a lesson from. and so anyway, for anybody looking at them and wondering how did they make it, how did their marriage last, those are the four lessons jimmy carter gave me back in 2015. and i've certainly tried to adhere to them ever since he told me them back in 2015. >> very good lessons and ones that we should all aspire to and adhere to. and you mentioned kind of their modest means when they came here to washington. and i'm always struck by the fact that they returned back to georgia after he was out of office, they continued to teach sunday school at their local church. it was just inherently who they are and were. and it seems like they really kept that sense of self through this extraordinary life that she had. >> yeah, and it is not like that they then built a giant mansion, you know, a golf course and lived this life of luxury. they returned to relatively modest means. and a life of service setting up, you know, their charitable foundations. and building homes for people who need homes. and jimmy carter obviously partnering with the man he beat in 1976, gerald ford, and they worked on a number of projects together including election reform. and then going abroad to try to supervise elections in other countries. we take democracy for granted here in the united states, although we probably should not. but he always has been active and rosalynn carter too, maintaining that same humble lifestyle of maintaining -- and jimmy carter would praise her as matriarch of the family, the person who kept the family together with dozens of grand children and great grandchildren and he would credit her for holding it all together, holding the family all together. it really was a magnificent marriage and magnificent couple. they really were lovely. >> it is an incredible life that they built together. jake tapper, thank you so much for your reflections there. we really do appreciate it. i want to bring in wolf blitzer, of course host of "the situation room." and wolf, before we had you on, we played for everyone your beautiful piece that you put together really laying out rosalynn carter's life and all that she accomplished and did both personally and professionally. what are your thoughts now upon learning this news and your reflections on her and her life? >> first of all, i'm very, very sad because she was a remarkable woman. a wonderful first lady. a loving mother, a loving wife. she really was a special lady by everyone who knew her well. i met her on several occasions going back to when i was a young reporter, i remember covering the camp david accords when president carter was negotiating a peace deal between anwar sadat at camp david. and she was also there working with him, always helped the president. and she was directly involved. and recently a couple years ago when i went down to expplains, georgia to interview former president carter, she was there and you could see what a special woman she was especially as they were getting into their 90s and both of they willing sick and suffering from various illnesses. she was always there for him. she was always there for the family. and i feel so sad now that she's passed. it was just the ordinary day that the carter center announced that she was beginning hospice care and so quickly she passes away. just makes me sad to report it and to hear about it. >> and i want to read to you and everyone a statement from her husband, former president jimmy carter, that just came out. "rosalynn was my squall partner in everything that i accomplished. she gave me wide guidance and encourage the when i needed. as long as rosalynn was in the world, i knew someone loved and supported me." a tender message. >> a beautiful message and very honest message. you could see the special relationship that existed even well into their 90s. it was an amazing relationship. it was so wonderful to see that. and i just enjoyed every minute spending quality time with them. >> and wolf, you've covered so many presidents and first ladies over the years. you know, she really molded that role into something that it ultimately has become in these modern times. she attended cabinets meetings, she went to camp david meetings. that was really unique at the time, it was trailblazing. >> it really was and i give her an enormous amount of credit. and president carter, you know, was always so praise-worthy of her. she was intimately involved in every little detail. she was she would go to those meetings, help him with the speeches. she was always there for him. and even in the final year, she was always there for him. it was just really nice to see that. the couple had been married for so, so long. almost 80 years or whatever. so really amazing. >> and you mentioned that you went down to interview them. you can tell us a little bit about their life down in georgia? we were talking with jake about the modest means in which they went into the white house and then they returned back to georgia after he left the white house and really continued to live the life they had always known. it was not some fancy jetset life. >> and they were both so determined even after leaving the white house to do good and get involved in all these important causes. save lives around the world and help people in need. habitat for humanity. it was just so important to them. and that is why he received so many honors, so many awards. she was upset that he was getting more of the awards for what he did after leaving the white house than getting them while he was the president of the united states. and it was just -- for me, it was just an emotional moving experience to spend that quality time with them just a few years ago. even as they were both suffering from various diseases, they were still a loving couple. and to see their kids who are all adults of course be with them and cherish them and love them so much. just a wonderful family and i feel privileged that i got to know them even a little bit. >> and i'm reading now that they have four children, jack, chip, jeff and amy, 11 grand children, 14 great grandchildren. so quite a family that they built together. >> a beautiful family indeed. you're right. >> all right. wolf blitzer, thank you for sharing your thoughts there on this as we mark this moment. we'll have more on the life of rosalynn carter who has died now at the age of 96 in just a moment. nice footwork. man, you're lucky, watching live sports never used to be this easy. now you can stream all your games like it's nothing. yes! [ cheers ] yeah! woho! running up and down that field looks tough. it's a pitch. get way more into what you're into when you stream on the xfinity 10g network. welcome back. breaking news for you. we've learned rosalynn carter has died at the age of 96 in her home in plains, georgia. carter center announcing on friday that mrs. car der had en carter had entered hospice care. joining me now to talk more about her extraordinary life, presidential historian and also co-host for politically georgia. bill, i want to start with you. you have been covering the carters since 1983, so you have watched them for decades and decades. and it is interesting that you started covering them in '83 because they really defined -- redefined what a post-presidency could look like. they did so much after he got out of the white house. >> and that is an important point. i came to atlanta to begin as a political reporter in late '83. and carters at that point were still recovering from the loss of the white house in his re-election campaign. they were still thinking about what they saw as their future. there was never any question in both of their minds that they were going to go on to try to do something meaningful, probably in public health and international affairs. and they began talking about the concept of the carter center and raising money to build the carter center. that didn't open for a few more years. so i got to see them still recovering from the loss but already thinking about how they could build the future. >> and we've talked about how they did return back to exppls georgia. it was not a fancy life. they were really back to where , they did so muchrom. work internationally with habitat for humanity. they really -- it ran the gamut. >> they have lived in that house in plains since 1961 except for their stint in the white house and when carter was governor in the governor's mansion. one of the things that is important to point out is that when jinlmmy carter went into he hospice in february, what a lot of people don't realize, in many ways he did that so that he could be there to help take care of his wife because she at that point was already struggling with t with dementia. and if you talk to people like the grandchildren about what their life was like from the time he went into home hospice, they would sit together and hold hands. they ate peanut butter ice cream every night together. and in fact it was jimmy carter who was there too help her as she struggled. and all these months later, jimmy carter still in home hospice, still surviving at 99. and so shocking that just two days after the announcement that she would go into home hospice that she has passed away. >> it truly is. it happened so quickly it seems like. i want to bring in julian to talk about this. you are a presidential historian. help people understand, give some context around the role that rosalynn carter played in white house history, in the history of the presidency and as a first lady where she would sit in on cabinet meetings or go to camp david and attend meetings. that was really different at that time. >> and she was important and i think often underrated as first lady in terms of what she did for the office. starting with the campaign in 1976. she was part of the campaign. i mean, jimmy carter very much sold his family, himself as a reason for american voters to turn to him as president. and she was pretty integral to his story. and then as first lady, she was quite influential. she gave advice on many issues including negotiations between egypt and israel. she took a trip, a high profile trip to latin america where she met with many key people and kind of helped give a sense of what was going on in the region. and she was counsel on many different moments when he gave high priority speeches or made decisions. and so it was truly a partnership. and i think in doing that, she elevated what the office of the first lady is all about and actually helped to make it an office. >> right, make it more formalized. and we also saw her really pushing for mental health -- being an advocate for mental health way before its time. and again, as first lady, as a woman, testifying before congress, again this was not something that we typically saw. and this was a subject matter that was ahead of its time. >> it was. and hard today to think about for generations who weren't around yet that this was still something of a taboo issue. so the fact that she was a first lady and such a strong advocate of any policy, but then to take on that policy which has become so important and so central is really remarkable. and again, it points to what she did and to the partnership that they were able to develop where president carter was more uncomfortable and eager to have her kind of a strong person in that office. >> and i want to talk too about first ladies as they exist in american history and kind of occupy our minds and we look to them. where do you think she falls within that history? and with her death, what do we take away from what her time in such a prominent space in the american, you know, fabric? >> i think that she is a prime example of how when done well the first lady can be a pivotal player in policy. as an adviser to the president. and to a figure that the country can look at with pride. especially in the turbulent times of the 1970s. their presence was quite important. and i think that the humble element that they brought to the white house was extremely, extremely appealing to many americans who were tired of vietnam, tired of watergate, they were looking to leaders who looked like them who they could trust and she was part of that. >> all right. stay with us. i want to go back to bill for a second who has been covering the carters since 1983. and bill, you mentioned a rather touching anecdote about how they ate i think it was peanut butter ice cream every night. and they were married for decades and decades and decades. and when you speak of either president carter or mrs. carter, you can't help but think about the other one. they are so enter interconnecter stories are. tell us more about their life together and their love story. >> you know, as i learned this news today, this very sad news, it occurred had many of us are so caught up in covering this brutal presidential campaign that is unfolding right now. and the death of rosalynn carter hits us hard and it reminds us of something much more important than politics. our humanity. and mrs. carter and her husband, jimmy, have always been champions of human endeavor, of human suffering. my colleague tells a remarkable story about the 1970 gubernatorial campaign when jimmy carter did win. and i tell us the story that mrs. carter was campaigning early in the morning out in front of an atlanta cotton mill. and an old woman who worked the night shift came out. and mrs. carter shook her hand, saw how tired this woman was, and mrs. carter said i hope that you will go home and get some sleep. and the old woman said i would love to, but i have a daughter at home who has mental issues. she is emotionally and mentally challenged. so i don't get very much rest. and mrs. carter said that she thought about that woman all day. and so when you think about her fight to improve mental health services, she did a lot once they went to the white house. but she was already thinking about that as early as 1970. and her husband was there at her side to support everything that she did in that area. >> and to that end, i just want to read again the statement from her husband president carter, he said "rosalynn is my equal partner in anything i ever accomplished. she gave me wise guidance and encouragement when i needed it. as long as rosalynn was in the world, i always knew somebody loved and assusupported me. ." and i think that that is anything that anyone would hope. that somebody loves and supports you. and so such a sweet and tender statement that gives us a winter i int -- a window into the relationship that they had together. >> 77 years. always side by side together. i saw them -- it has been a couple years since i saw them together. they were at a church service with their entire family. in fact it was senator raphael warnock's church here in atlanta. and president carter brought his entire family, children, grandc grandchildren, to the service. and president carter and i spoke very briefly. and then he walked me over to mrs. carter and said to her in a very aggentle way, do you rememr bill, he's been with us for a very, very long time. and it was already clear at that point that she was beginning to struggle with memory issues at the very least. but an example to me of the fact that he was so sccaring about h that he wanted to make sure that i got a chance to say hello and she to me as well. unfortunately that was the last time for me that i got the chance to talk to either of them. >> well, we'll keep talking about this, we want to squeeze? a quick break. but i want to say thank you to julian and bill. you guys can stick around please and we'll have more on the life of rosalynn carter in just a moment.

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