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>> the news continues, the source with kaitlan collins starts now. >> tonight, straight from the, source made the woodworker and the plumber, exclusive new reporting on who saw what at mar-a-lago. the workers who could be called to testify against donald trump in the classified documents case. plus, four hours a day, israel has now agreed to humanitarian pauses and cause that to allow civilians move to safer ground and let aid in. the question is, could it also provide a breakthrough and getting hostages out. the cia director is having secret meetings in the middle east. and a political earthquake rocking washington post, as senator joe manchin has announced he is not going to seek reelection. leaving a blue seat open and a deeply red state. does it also open a door to run against president biden? i'm kaitlan collins and this is the source. ♪ ♪ ♪ we start with two exclusive stories for you tonight. we have the first cnn interview with former president's trump's former lawyer, who quit the classified documents case over the summer. and it comes on a night when cnn has learned who could be testified against donald trump in that very trail. the potential witness list, according to multiple sources and what they told cnn, could include some of the people who are working at mar-a-lago. a plumber, a show, for the, made a woodwork, or other mar-a-lago staffers, including some who still work here, plus contract workers, secret service agents, former intelligence officials, as well as people who were in the room with trump when he was caught on that audiotape referencing a secret military document that was about plans, potential plans, to bomb iran. these potential witnesses have already spoken to federal investigators, and some can provide firsthand accounts of what they saw at mar-a-lago, where we know hundreds of classified documents were found, including dozens that were marked as top secret. they were found and pleaeasant like trump's bathroom, his bedroom, a ballroom, and, yes, storage room. there is a woodworker who installed current motive in trump's bedroom in february 2022, according to three sources, the person noticed papers that may have been classified. there is also that made who cleaned trump's bedroom suite. one source telling cnn, the former president wind, quote, ballistic when he learned she had been asked to speak with investigators. there is also a chauffeur, who drove around visitors including foreigners and the epic ice at the club, and many, many others in this new reporting tonight. joining me now on this new reporting, and much more, for his first cnn interview since he left the trump legal team and the summer, in this classified documents case, -- thanks for being here,. jim good to have you back on the show. when you hear this reporting, and what cnn learned about the potential witnesses that jack smith's team could coal. do you have any concerns about the testimony they could potentially provide? >> my stuffing concern is that lakes. it's astounding how, when it comes to mar-a-lago, and i point towards doj for a lot of this, because it helps them, more than it would ever help president trump, all of the stuff gets great publicly main well up until, or it's writers islands. but in terms of the witnesses, i will say this. i got to make a lot of really nice folks. salt off the earth, good people, hardworking people down in the mar-a-lago scene. they or aggressively, really intimidated by the department of justice and the fbi. we have a decent idea, i had a decent idea in a lot of what they were going to say. not necessarily across the. but i tell, you it's the kind of thing, you can drop at mar-a-lago -- go to the page and get a subpoena. we had people, literally with new information, the intel to go to the fbi, threatened to go to washington -- >> have many people would you say to you believe investigators spoke with, as this investigation is going on, until of course you left the team over the summer? >> i'm not gonna join that leak former, but it's obvious it's at least dozens. and, look just the fact that in their zeal to find something, anything to justify this case, they were dragging in secret service agents, at least that's the report you just. head pitch generally, i know there's been exceptions -- that canister investigation, but generally speaking this kind of a no go. and that's just felt level of aggression that we saw across the board, while i was on the case. i think that continues the day. >> do you think the testimony from the secret service agents could be potential most damaging in this case? >> i'm not gonna wait into the substance of what people have to say. that touches not just in terms of my duty and loyalty to a former client, but to work product privilege, in terms of any internal investigation we did. look, i think it'll be fascinating when the cases tried. i'll certainly be one of the people that called in sick on my regular job so i can watch a lot of it, and see how it plays out. but, yeah, this is kind of unprecedented territory with not just what they're charging presidential records act, and all the issues that arise for criminalizing the stuff, but the level of aggressivity, tell it witnesses, for instance, this has been publicly reported -- gave me a passport to your computer or i'm gonna drag you up to d. c. in three days and you have to do it in front of a grand jury. those as heavy handed stuff. it's not like anything us in messick-buntyn ears with the department of justice. >> i understand, you don't say you like leaks. this is reporting cnn has done -- there are so many potential witnesses to told you about what could potentially happen here. but when you look at this, a lot of these people still work at mar-a-lago. trump employee number four, you still tavares just recently resigned, we're told, and trump was -- he was someone who had a trump paid attorney and then changed to a non-trump attorney. and he changed his testimony. do you think that the former president is trying to potentially influence any of the witnesses by paying for their attorneys? >> no, everything you just said goes to the fact that there is self serving elite coming out of one side of the aisle. it's really kind of amazing. no real respect for privacy and these individuals. it's not uncommon in a widespread investigation, and in any sort, criminal or administrative, further to be a group of attorneys that you're information under a joint defense agreement, have some sense of what's going on with the investigation, know there are things that can be litigated even pre indictment. paying for attorneys means nothing. that reality, the backstory, that's really horrific, in terms of what this reported conflict was, it revolves around that witness, is that the department of justice cannot stand stanley woodward, one of the attorneys in this case. because stanley blew the whistle on a doj official, essentially extortion him over upending judgeship to flip nauta. that's been publicly reported. that is a dark moment in doj history that they want to gloss over. anthony go after all the attorneys saying there is something wrong with attorneys representing multiple clients or sharing information. >> i know you, in our last interview, you brought it same instance up. i, said we had not seen any evidence of. that we haven't really satan brought up as an issue. stan woodward is still representing several clients. he turbulent a lot of them -- prosecutors have argued it would be a conflict of interest. but on yuscil taveras, you talk about, it's not unusual for attorneys to share information when they have multiple, potential witnesses or codefendants. that's true. he changed his testimony in a damning way for the former president that led to another codefendant being indicted because he went from a trump pay attorney to his own attorney. >> i think you're living together a whole bunch of things, that makes for a great story but i'm not hearing it. >> but you can see how there are questions about trump's influence when he pays for the attorneys, given the witness changed his testimony. >> i'm aware there are people who've -- i think that's a bigger backdrop, at the core context to what's going on when it comes to some of the lawyers being challenged by doj. and let me just also give a broader context about the idea of obstruction. we certainly, as lowers, we obviously look into questions of whether there's things that happened after the substantive offenses that could relate to obstruction or attempted obstruction. it's not something that any lower takes, likely i didn't want it to sound like i've glossed over. it but, me it's really clear the political decision was made but very politicized department, that the best thing they had going to try to distinguish president trump's possession of documents from then vice president biden's is to suggest that somehow, obstruction is the difference. that's been a narrative on this network and others that somehow, , well there are different because of the obstruction. we don't have to get any leaks out of delaware, but we get plenty of leaks down here that relate to the different witnesses, like the one you're talking about or walt nauta. 02 suggest there was somehow obstruction -- >> but it's not suggesting. trump for a subpoena to turn the documents over. even if they are as all of that was going on. >> actually, no. but let me just say this. we want executives. we want anyone who's in kind of the c suite of life, in business, to be able to really talk to their lawyers and figure out, hey, can we fight this subpoena. is there something over broad and overly burdensome about the subpoena? what happens if we respond? what happens if we ask for more time? those are things that we encourage as a society, it's exactly. right executives across this country have -- >> so he did try to file a subpoena, is that what you're saying? >> that's not what i'm saying. what i'm saying is we're in a position where we should all be encouraging fun ocean that anyone that runs of business has the opportunity to talk to their lawyers about whether or not there is some sort of privileges that apply, whether they can fight it, whether they should invite it -- >> okay, but jim, let me ask you this. the judge seems to be indicating in florida she's going to delay this case. do you think it's going to get delayed past the election? >> yeah, i mean, i don't have any inside knowledge from her chambers or really anyone else. but, i think what's driving the delays right now is not some sort of a political concern. it's the support process. this idea that when you have classified material, you have to go through a series scrubbing and review and litigation, long before you can enter the courtroom for the trial itself. that seems to be bogged down a little bit, perhaps on a clean hands from the government, i don't know for sure, but the bottom line is, that takes type normally. and so the timeframe, these kind of artificial timeframes -- >> but do you believe -- >> i think it will probably get pushed. i don't know if you get beyond the election or, not but generally speaking, sip cases, is classified information type cases don't go to trial quickly because of that review. no matter anything else, about how many witnesses how complex, whatever the defense is -- that alone usually puts them outside. >> okay, let me ask. you lost an rv was so it was when you are still on the trump legal team. you no longer our. can you just explain what you resigned from the trump legal team but they after he was indicted in the documents case? >> sure can't. and i certainly didn't suggest to see and i was willing to talk about. that the bottom line, is i have a responsibility -- >> i have to ask. >> i'm not for you for asking, it's fine. i'm just telling you, on what i kiss and tell a guy. i'm not gonna get into anything, it was the right time for myself to leave, john rather to, leave tim parlatore left a little bit before -- that >> did you resign or were you fired? >> it doesn't matter, it doesn't matter. i'm not here to try to elevate myself or disparagement from a client. the bottom line is, there was a logical break point, i took that break point and i don't kiss and tell. >> let me ask you about something that happened as. week the civil forecast that's been happening here in new york. you saw trump on the stand, it was a great catch exchange with the judge. i don't, but the judge asked chris kise, who is brought on to be on the documents case, but is now in that new york case as well, the current attorney, to get control of him. do you think you were better at controlling him as a client? >> no, look, here's what i say about. that a response that was reported, and i haven't been in the courtroom in new york, after other client to serve. but the response, as reported, chris basically said, ask better questions. that actually is the right response to the situation. the attorney general called him to the witness stand, and when you call anybody to the stand, it has some expertise in what they're talking about, they tend to be speech makers. i used to do with cross-examined and all sorts of experts in criminal cases as a prosecutor. everything from fingerprints to identification to go up as. what and the reality is, you get in and you get out. if you have to call this witness, and a civil case, you can call the other party, you don't will put or get in and out with very tight cushions and get what you want, and get out. they apparently didn't do a very good job of that, to the front of the judge. but the judge's ire -- >> i mean, he said trump wasn't answering questions with a yes or no answer. but i also think part of it would be, people say trump is a challenge inclined to have. he's had a lot of attorneys have come to work for him, and then with the case. there's a bit of chaos with the new york team right now as well. when you look at this, and you look at what he's been saying and the special counsel investigation, used to work at the justice department. you know jack smith was the special counsel. when trump calls him deranged and a psychopath, to use them close to or terms you would use to describe jack smith? >> what i would do is focus, again as a lawyer, as someone who's been a prosecutor, altogether 27 years, before i went private, i focus on the conduct. that to me is a different situation for a person running for president, being indicted in these unprecedented and creative, and i put quotes around, that types of indictments. but the bottom line, as i've seen things from the federal prosecutors in this case, including extorting a fellow lawyer. that are obstructionist, that are wrong, they're over aggressive. and that's what i cole -- >> would you call checks mr. ranged? >> that's a fun game to play, caitlin. >> it's not a game. i'm generally curious what you think, given you've worked with jack smith and used to represent donald trump. >> i don't think america is waiting with baited breath to see if jim will call jack deranged. it's not at my interest -- it's not really in the public interest, it's just fun, sensational stuff. >> it's not fun. >> the bottom line is, any client would have a right to be frustrated with the behavior he's facing on behalf of the department. alvin bragg, letitia james, and that wonderful georgia case as well. look, i don't have to sign off or sign on anything the president says. but i can tell you, the groans of frustration, the concerns about a two tiered system are genuine. >> okay, but you're not -- okay. i was gonna let you go after that, but you can't really call it a two-tiered system of justice. look at the number of democrats who are being investigated right now. i think senator bob menendez would argue it's a two tiered system of justice. hunter biden. i mean, tell us was. on >> hunter biden -- you are using hunter biden as an example of equal justice? >> i'm saying, you can call it a two-tiered system of justice because there are plenty of democrats also being investigated by the justice department, including the presidents -- sitting president's son. jim trusty. >> we'll come back and told about hundred case some not, that'll be fun. >> jim trusty, thank you for your time. appreciate you being back on cnn. appreciate your time. no cease-fire, but israel has now agreed to daily pauses in the fighting, allowing palestinian civilians to flee northern gaza. the question, is will that hold? plus, there has been a huge shake up on capitol hill. >> i will not be running for reelection to the united states senate. but what i will be doing -- >> big question. what will senator joe manchin be doing? that is next. >> after more than a month of nonstop war, a pause or rather or series of four-hour pauses. the white house confirming today that israel is going to notify civilians in northern gaza of four-hour breaks from bombardment in their neighborhoods so they can safely evacuate to the south. well these pauses are respites, really. prime minister netanyahu has been adamant there will be no cease-fire until all the hostages are released from gaza. but discussions are underway, we are, told to get those hostages out. cia director bill burns meeting with the israeli intelligence chief and also other officials from qatar, who have a direct line to hamas. while some members of the progressive caucus on capitol hill have joined in calls for a cease-fire, my next guest here tonight, a high-profile progressive himself, has called for humanitarian pauses instead. the question for some is does today's announcement go far enough? congressman ro khanna of california is here with me. what do you say, do the four hour pauses go far enough in your view? >> it's a good first step, but. no more needs to be done. you need to get 2 million gallons of water in there. we need to get fuel to the hospitals. and while hamas is using palestinian civilians as human shields, i have said that they should not be bombing civilian sites, civilian sites. hospitals. israel should not. i don't think there intentionally targeting civilians -- >> but are they doing enough to not hit civilians, in your view? >> in my view, they should have more operational patients. they have the right to self defense, it was a brutal attack on october 7th. any country has the right to get hamas perpetrators. but when you have a hospital, when you have a school, when you have a refugee camp with many children. even when hamas is there, intentionally, i think you try to get hamas out and get them into the tunnels instead. it took us ten years to get osama bin laden. but the loss of life there is heartbreaking. and so i would say, do not bomb civilian dense sites. >> they struck an ambulance recently. israel arguing hamas was using it to transport fighters. president biden said today he was frustrated that this is not happening soon enough. that he's pushing prime minister netanyahu for a three -day pause or more. he has a lot of influence on what the prime minister does. he's kind of -- one of his biggest supporters since this war broke out. do you think he could influence him to do more? >> he does and doesn't. certain things, there is not listening. my sense is that he has passed for the humanitarian pause, he wants the police to be longer. i think the united states government has had conversations about doing more to minimize civilian casualties. and the president is making progress. and i do think that the white house has really stepped up in talking about palestinian lives and making sure they're protected. >> your political director just resigned recently, because you are not calling for a cease-fire. is there -- would you ever call for a cease-fire? do you ever see yourself doing that? >> i wouldn't rule it out. at some point, the war has to end. but the reason i didn't call for a cease-fire is that when you have the brutal murder of 1400 civilians, and people have committed that terrorist attack, if you say let's have a cease-fire, you are basically saying there was no consequence to to win that. so i think there has to be more operational patients, precision, surgical operations in getting the hamas terrorists that were accountable. and once we do that, i think there needs to be a peace process with a focus on palestinian rights. >> heavier thing close to call it a cease-fire? this is really dividing your party, but especially progressives. >> it's to buy the country. look, there was a sit in a magistrate office today. i've never seen this kind of mobilization since the iraq war. there are people out on the street, they're upset with what you're seeing on television. they're upset with what they saw with the israelis who were killed, they're upset with the hostages, and you're upset with the palestinian children being killed. it's an emotional issue. for me, i said, let's get the war -- that humanitarian aid. i'm calling on members of congress and to you in w our commissioner, have a meeting with us on monday. we're gonna hear directly on the ground what's happening. and i said, let's not have bombing in danes civilian sites. that's where i am right. now every member has a slightly different perspective. and i -- >> you're not close to calling for a cease-fire? >> not a full cease-fire. because i do think there is still more to be done to get the hamas terrorists. but there needs to be, it might, wait different techniques to do. that >> congressman ro khanna, thank you for being here on the service and for being here on set. >> thank you. >> he's given his fellow democrats a lot of heartburn over recent years, most recently stalling president biden's agenda but at times advancing it as well. now senator joe manchin is giving republicans a chance to flip his blue seat in a deep red state, now he's not running for reelection. we are going to ask maryland governor wes moore about what he thinks about that, also the future of his party. that's next. >> democrats, fresh off their election wins this week, were hit with a surprise announcement today. maybe not so surprising if everybody's been reading the tea leaves. this comes from one of their own, senator joe manchin. >> i believe in my heart of hearts, that i've accomplished what i said how to do for west virginia. i've made one of the toughest decisions of my life, and decided i will not be running for reelection to the united states senate. >> of course, manchin has been a pivotal senator on capitol hill in recent years from infrastructure to green energy. he put up roadblocks to the agenda president biden was hoping to put in place when he took office. but before that life could even safer in those winds they saw this week from virginia, kentucky, another victory on abortion rights -- now tonight your question, what does this mean for the senate majority? and is there potentially more trouble ahead for president biden and his reelection campaign? i'm joined now by the democratic governor of maryland, wes moore, governor welcome to the source. so glad to have you on. i want to ask about your states. but first, give us major news today, are you concerned this could make that democrats lose the senate and at the same time potentially complicate president biden's reelection? >> no. i, mean to be very honest, even had senator manchin deciding he's gonna run for election, it's gonna be a difficult seeks to hold on to. i don't think his decision not to run is a terrible surprise. and i'm not sure how much that it really impacts measure of math. but one thing that i do, know is, i still feel very, very confident that it's gonna take work but i feel very confident and the presidents reelection process. i think about what happened in 2020, in the of state goal of 2021, and what happened an hour here, 2022, and what happened on tuesday. one thing that has not happened to joe biden since 2020, he hasn't lost on any of these election cycles. and so, we know we have a lot of work to get done. we know there's a lot of things we're gonna have to push forward. i know how aggressive i'm gonna be campaigning for the president, going forward, next year. but i also know, i have a real head of confidence so work president biden's done, and the results he's shown, the people are going to give him another four years. >> you are certainly someone who advocated for him to run for reelection. he has faced a series of polls this week, once he certainly doesn't like. he was talking about that tonight at a fund-raiser from the new york times and from cnn. he was asked about those numbers. today this is what he told reporters. [inaudible] >> he said, he doesn't think he's losing in battleground states. it's a little bit hard to hear because of marine one there, for people wondering what it was. but when you mentioned the hurricanes that, it looks that intimate like over the next couple of years, to change those numbers? >> i think we just had to clearly articulate for people, what's happening and the role the president is playing. i think about, and our own state, since offering the governor of maryland, i've announced the creation of over 41,000 new jobs and the state of maryland. i've announced we are now putting together right line, for the first-time, a generational investment when it comes to east-west transit within the baltimore region. we've announced we are putting over 200 and $67 million going towards broadband expansion, making sure everyone and as that of maryland by the end of my first term should be worried with affordable and accessible broadband. i think about road and bridges -- left and i know is. this if it weren't for president biden, and the biden harris administration, none of those things will be possible. that what people are going to see is the work that's happening, the infrastructure bills that are taking place, the fact that maryland right now has the lowest unemployment rate in the entire country and we still raised minimum wages to $15 an hour and aid for state workers. >> why don't you think we see that reflected in the polls? >> i think we all have to collectively make sure that were aggressively, and assertively, showing that the work is happening right now in peoples communities that people are excited about. that's a partnership with the white house. and i think as people continue to see that, and see just how impactful president biden has been, we will make sure, and the people will make sure, he gets another four years. >> the other thing we saw on tuesday night was what a powerful issue abortion is, for your party, still. it closed voters in ohio, a deeply red state, to vote to guarantee their rights to one. do you think that will still be a powerful issue for democrats in 2024? >> i think it's an important issue that we continue to be full-throated. about a look at maryland's. just in my time as governor, we not only passed laws that strengthen privacy, that strength and protections for both patient and providers, but next year on the ballot in the state of maryland, we have abortion rights on the ballot. we're gonna make it part of our constitution. maryland will be a safe haven for abortion rights. and i think what we're continual to see is all these other states, and some of these other governors, they continue to push back against it in somehow think them as governors should have a say as to what should be a conversation between a woman and her doctor, that feel continue getting pushback from people. because that's not what people want. >> that did not work for governor glenn youngkin in virginia. the other bad news he caught this week was the new fbi headquarters, there is a battle for it to be in virginia or maryland. it's not going to be in maryland, they've announced. but there are some questions about this. we're hearing from the fbi director, christopher wray, who is questioning whether or not this a conflict of interest and how maryland was chosen. to you believe that this was a transparent process? >> this has been an over decade long process, that gsa has cannot. it's been thorough, it's been transparent. the gsa has been very clear, there were five criteria. they were gonna make this decision based off of that. they made -- they showed the data, they showed the receipts. what's gonna be most cost effective for the transparent, arthur transportation as it's already built out, is there a site ready right, now we need to make sure equity and what is main to have a lens of equity in the division, and proximity to quantico, proximity to a training facility. those were the five criteria. and the gsa proved, of the five criteria, maryland one on four of them. the only what maryland did that went on was proximity to quantico, which was impossible because quantico is on so this, i think, the gsa has been going through this process for over a decade. it was very clear this was gonna be a corporate for position. and i'm so thankful to work maryland did in unity, with our personal delegation, to be able to make sure the fbi building, rightfully, should be in the state of maryland. >> so you don't have any concerns. you believe, yes, it will be built and maryland, ultimately? >> that new fbi building will be in the state of maryland, yes. >> maryland's governor wes moore, thank you for joining us for your first time on the service. we hope to see you back soon. >> absolutely. thank you. >> and with senator manchin hanging up his, hat democrats need a strategy to hold on to their majority in the senate. big questions for that. also questions about whether or not president biden needs help finding of a potential third party run from the senator from west virginia. we talked to the former democratic senator from a very red state, maybe my home state. that's next. >> someone else might be getting in on the 2024 race for the white house. we don't know, yet but it certainly put out there because too many in his party's alum, senator manchin to confirm today that not only is he not running for reelection, he's going to continue exploring that idea that has been out there. a third party bid for the presidency, as he announced he is no longer going to be a member of the senate. he says, he'll travel the country to see, quote, if there is an interest in creating a movement to mobilize to the middle. remember, of, course he left the door open for running for presidents when he was on the show last. >> i haven't made any decision, nor will i make a decision until the end of the year. and my reason for, that i've never seen a place in the world, basically, that next election start the day after the last election. i've got a lot of work to do for my state of west fortuna, which i love dearly. >> speaking of state will, purely former senator for alabama, democrat doug jones is here with me. senator, what was your reaction to senator manchin's news today? >> you know, kaitlan, i was disappointed, not surprised, i was disappointed. i think joe manchin was the only democrat that could take that seat in west virginia, and i've always believed he could make it safe. i was not surprised. this is gonna be a tough race. he always knew it was gonna be a tough. race and he's always put the people of west virginia forest and i think he's done an amazing job for those folks. so we'll see where he goes from there. >> how much or student democrats, senator schumer, scrambling tonight because he was basically the only person who could hold that seat and have a democrat hold that seat? >> you know, look. i think democrats have been looking at this possibility for sometime. often think it's a bombshell. auburn things are scrambling. they have a map. and we're looking at that map. they've got some incredible incumbents that they want to hold. that's first and foremost. all those incumbents. but they're looking to expand after looking a text, they're looking at florida, those will be tough races to try to unseat incumbent republicans. but it's not impossible. we have seen things happen before. so authentic anybody scrambling. i think they are just gonna double down on their efforts, especially to protect our uncompetitive got. then it's gonna be tough -- the elections this weekend, the elections in 22, i think if everybody hope that the senate will remain in control of democrats. >> what do you make of the other part, of senator manchin statement. not that he was not running, but he was going to be out in the country, seeing if there is forced to mobilize to the middle, as he put it? >> yeah, joe's been pretty coy about all of that in the last year or so. at the end of the day, he doesn't even think twice about trying to run as an independent or on the no labels. take it. because look at. when the numbers are just not. there you can get out and try to mobilize, and people talking in the middle. but the middle is gonna be the democratic party. it's certainly not gonna be in the republican party. but look what's happened. look at the elections just the other night, with antifa shear in kentucky. look what happened in virginia. those are a middle of a road voters. that the democratic party may be a little tentative for sure. and got certainly people on the far-left -- but if he wants to really have an effect and help democrats across this country, bring a moderate back into the fold, and do some things. at the end of the day, joe manchin doesn't want to lose and i think at the end of the day, when you look at the numbers, there is no way that independent or third party candidate can win and this country, especially in a polarized nation we've got now. with a moderate kind of so-called unity ticket, which is really impossible. think about how, a so-called unity ticket might govern. you know, the last time that happened was alex abraham lincoln and andrew johnson, we see how that worked out. so, i think it will, there is no question it will help put donald trump in the white house, back in the white house. and, i don't think joe manchin, i don't think larry hogan, i don't think others really want that to happen. and when they start looking at these numbers, that is what they're going to see. and the more people get in the race, the more independents, the more third party candidates, the more likely that donald trump will be reelected. and that is going to be bad for democracy, it is going to be bad for this country. >> yeah, and it was a notable statement from the white house that we saw as well. we heard from president biden on making this announcement, tying two. former senator doug jones thank you so much. >> coming up, we're going to check in what is over. earlier but also there is desperation outright in gaza, and that we have firsthand accounts from civilians, who are fleeing that war zone. >> you really can't find anything that's edible, in any supermarket. it is really hard, like really, really hard. tonight, israeli officials say that 80,000 palestinians have fled into southern gaza, through an evacuation corridor today, as israel is intensifying its offensive against hamas in the north of gaza. one civilian telling cnn, quote, nothing is left. southernrn gaza howevever, has t been promimising to be mucuch better. tonight, we are getting firsthand accounts from palestinian civilians. their message is, received and shared by the humanitarian group mercy corps. one woman is describing it saying quote, at night, we try to guess which room is the safest. my mom insists on sleeping with us, even though it is very crowded, so that if we die at night, at least we will die together. we rarely sleep. somehow, we quiet our minds long enough to doze off. the explosions wake us up. we count the minutes to see the light, and know that we made it to see another day. another palestinian woman sent this voice memo. >> what you guys are seeing on social media and on tv is actually 2% of the reality. so know that we are dying here. if we are not dead physically, we are dead inside. >> joining me now is kate phillips barrasso, the vice president and global policy and advocacy for mercy corps. kate, i am so glad that you are here. i mean just to hear that saying that we are only seen 2% of this. i know you have team members on the ground in gaza, who are standing in these firsthand accounts.. whatat are you heaearing? >> yeah, we e do have 70 s staff inside g gaza. and the situation that my colleagues are facing there is unfathomable. as you heard in those audio clips, they are facing everything from fear of being hit by aerial bombardment, to situations and trying to be pure water and food, which is dwindling down to almost nothing, to facing medical situations. one of my colleagues has an epileptic but brother, and he only has eight days of pills left. and they're rationing those, because they just don't know where this is going to end. so what i can say is, they have all been displaced, all 70 of them. several of them have had immediate family members killed. and some of them have been injured, so it is an extremely difficult situation to hear about. and, we fear for the worst for our colleagues in gaza. >> and i know you have even had trouble staying in touch with them as well? >> that is correct. but, it is really difficult. and the situation in gaza, everything there comes from the outside, including water, food, and also connectivity, electricity, and internet service. so, as those things have been actively cut off to civilians in gaza, it is very difficult for them to communicate with the outside world. it is difficult to charge your phones, and difficult to we tried to check in on them every day, but we have recently started to lose track of some individuals, which is obviously really worrying. >> and for the safety, of these workers, i know you have given them aliases. and when they do have -- they are able to send in the counts of what life is like. and one of these i just, i want everyone to listen to it. i think it is really important. this is from nasa, that's an alias, about how difficult it is to find food and water. >> when you literally can't find anything that is edible in any supermarket. and it is really hard, like really, really hard. we don't have water, it's been really horrible. for clean water, drinkable water, my cousin goes to -- wait in long queues to get clean water. and, the line for water it really -- at 5 am in the morning, and stays up to 3 am in the morning. >> just to hear someone describing waiting nearly 24 hours in line just to get clean drinking water. >> yeah,. it's incredibly, it's incredibly difficult to be put in a situation like that. we actually recognize that when he bore not able to get that cleaean water, t they are ststag to drinknk dirty watater. none of ththe sanitatition servs arare any longnger runningng in, all l of the pumumps that ththe asassailant isis the waterer, tt usually y is consumemed there ae nonot running,g, because t the l has rurun out. and so, , we really y fear in additition to spenending the v t majority o of the day y trying o findnd these peoeople to sururv, that peoeople resortrt to despe, desperate e measures.. and d as a resulult, diseasese l spread, , things likike cholera. and d overcrowdeded conditioione we seeee particulalarly in thehe soututh of gaza,a, that we m mit see a lot t of health h problems develoloping, in a a place whehe ththere are ababsolutely n no ml servrvices currerently. >> it's s just diffificult to hr ththat. and, i am m grateful f for your team f for sendingng that, to ot people knonow, becausese it is importanant for peopople to hear thatat. kakate phillipips barrassoso, tk you fofor your timime tonight.t. >> t thank you.. >> a and we willll be back, , it a momement. the power goes out and we still have wifi to do our homework. and that's a good thing? 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