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is a queue for laura coats to make sense of it all. what? >> let me figure out a way to remind myself of what it would be like in court to tell a judge, or to hear witnesses, i'm sorry i can't be there because we have kids. we have kids who are in the courtroom because the parents were subpoenaed, or they themselves or a defendant. i remember, abby, actually being pregnant prosecuting cases and saying, i'm sorry your honor, we've got to move the trial date i'm actually due to deliver that day. all, really is the entire government pregnant? is that what's happening right now, miss coates? trust me, i am a little bit -- >> look, it's not like she can't afford childcare. >> that's an important point, oh tell you for a lot of people, even those who can, or it's taken for granted if they can or cannot, it's a subpoena, it's important, trial it's a civil trial, people oftentimes it was not criminal prosecutions which the big deal? it's a very big deal to release the a.g. in new york. the trial happening and if there's a subpoena for you to be there, if you're telling your kids are in school, it's not going to cut it. >> sounds like a not-so-great excuse to me. have a good show, laura. >> actually can i go right now, i have kids? it's a school evening. can you stay? >> i think you've got one more hour left. >> thank you so much, abby, i'll see you back here tomorrow, okay? >> look, if you think what's happening over there is not affect us here, well tonight right here in the united states of america sadly you'd be wrong. tonight on the workouts live. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> no, there are not airstrikes happening here and americans are not being kidnapped here. families are not being forced to flee their homes for war here. thankfully all of that happens to be true, but the hate that is spreading around the world is very much being felt right here in the u.s. of a. jewish and muslim americans are facing threats and synagogues and mosques, on the streets, on college campuses, even in their own homes. and the warning signs many have said have not only been there, they are there. they are here. the antisemitism, the islamophobia, they have exponentially increased. and it's not somebody else's problem to grapple with, really, as a society, it is our problem. antisemitic incidents in this country, remember, they are up almost 400%. imagine that figure. since the amos terror attacks on israel on october 7th. >> in fact our statistics would indicate that, for a group that represents only about 2.4% of the american public, they account for something like 60% of all religious based hate crimes. >> the figures are shocking, but the pictures are shocking. we may not want to believe that it is actually happening here, but we are seeing it with our own eyes. at tulane university, three students assaulted when a fight broke out at a rally over the israel hamas for. in minneapolis a display showing the faces of the israelis taken hostage by hamas repeatedly kicked over. in pittsburgh, historically jewish neighborhood, graffiti reading i stand with gaza and death to america. cornell university, we've been following the story all week long. class canceling classes tomorrow amid what they call extraordinary stress on a college campus. that after threats of jewish students in the kosher dining hall led to the arrest of another cornell student. >> i really think that it's an attempt -- i don't want to be torn apart, i don't want to look at my fellow classmate and think that's my enemy. >> that came after a history professor at that same school, cornell, initially said he was exhilarated overseeing the hamas attacks. >> able to breathe for the first time in years. look at what they're doing. it'st's energizing. >> now he later apologized for his choice of words. and the hate is spreading in muslim communities as well. islamophobic incidents are up 244%, these are astronomical figures. 244% since october 7th alone. a family in chicago area who put up a free palestine sign in the yard, while they got a letter saying remove the sign or burn. in pennsylvania, a man who allegedly shouted racial slurs and pointed a gun at people holding a peaceful palestinian rally is facing felony charges. a family in illinois is mourning this beautiful six-year-old who is stabbed 26 times, allegedly by his family's landlord. his mother suffered more than a dozen stab moons. the doj, as you know, is investigating that attack as a hate crime. the boy is great on coal told me that the fear is spreading. >> we have a lot of families who are not sending their kids to school because they are giving threats to families. >> afraid to go to school. if you think what is happening over there does not affect us here, you are wrong. but the real question is not whether it will impact, but, perhaps, what are we going to do about it? joining me now new york times columnist nicholas kristoff. i'm so glad that you are here. you had a really thought-provoking piece that i was just pouring over because you really are asking these sorts of questions. this conflict, as you know, it is happening halfway around the world from where we are right now but you just saw what is happening to jewish, to muslim communities right here in this country. there is a palpable fear in both of these groups and it feels like it is, perhaps, going to get worse? >> that's right. i mean, i just came back from the middle east and i must say, the middle east was more on edge than i've ever seen it in four decades of covering the area. i do think that the bloodshed is going to get significantly worse in the middle east. there is a real risk of it escalating and that then spreads here in the u.s. and europe. you know, frankly, laura, i think part of the problem is our world and the media, not cnn, not the new york times, but there are a lot of organizations that are taking advantage of this to amplify hatred towards a particular community and to highlight the worst of one side and then use that to buttress one's own side and say we have to go after them. i think, as someone who's been covering the middle east for a long time, incredibly depressing. i do fear it is going to get worse. >> you think about that and the endgame of manipulation and who would that possibly serve as you described. the answer to that question, perhaps bone chilling for a lot of reasons, in your time you spoke to recently a 57-year-old gazan woman who is in east jerusalem and in your piece you said, and i'm quoting, that she approved of hamas attacks on israeli civilians. i pressed her, isa, and she insisted it was fine, even kill a five-year-old israeli child because, quote, they are all and a zionists, unquote. that conversation, you say, pretty much broke your heart. you are seeing similar feelings by some in israel as well. that is just mind-boggling that that would be a sentiment that would be not only expressed, let alone felt. >> the terrible thing is it was not unique. i had other conversations with some palestinians who are also, you know, dismissing the hamas attacks or saying that they weren't substantial, we should focus on our pain. meanwhile, we had prime minister netanyahu site a biblical passage about the -- who were the target of a biblical genocide with the bible, god ordering even infants to be killed. the implication was that advocates are palestinians and, meanwhile, we have palestinians in gaza, children dying at the rate for three weeks now of one every ten minutes. i think that on each side it is possible, through this process of mutual humanization. i must say, when i hear people in my world, fellow liberals in the u.s., a majority of 18 to 24-year-old in the u.s. said in a poll that hamas's attack could be justified. as somebody who has reported in gaza on number of times over the years and has seen what hamas is, hamas is this the sergeant's take, homophobic, repressive organization that, its problem is that it does not just attack israelis, is that -- this process of dehumanization, i think, is making possible the terrible things happening in gaza and terrible things happening in the west bank and, obviously, the hamas attacks. and then rippling out through this country to the antisemitism and islamophobia that we're seeing here. >> mutual dehumanization. it seems to be a consequence of one people are talking around an issue being in their conflating topics, they're not taking into account the nuance that is quite evident in any diplomatic scenario, let alone what we are seeing in a region that has had decades, if not longer, of conflict that needs to be understood. you topped off with the people who may be using it pretextual lead to advance a position, as you said already. i do wonder, because the biden administration, thinking about how politics can often play hand in hand in this, came out with a warning today saying that civilians suffering in gaza will weaken public support for israel's war against hamas. that is one consideration. you have pondered whether that would be true. but also whether it will weaken america's moral authority in the region. what do you think? >> i think that there are good practical reasons for israel to take a more restrained approach in gaza. look, everybody believes that israel has the right to self defense, everybody believes it has the right to target hamas military personnel and hamas fighters generally. but it seems to me unconscionable to borrow fuel from gaza in ways that turn off the generators of hospitals so that joe children today in gaza hospitals are undergoing surgery without anesthetic. i saw doctors without borders video of, i think it was an eight-year-old boy having his foot amputated on the floor of a hospital without proper anesthetic. his sister, who is about to have her own surgery looked on. so i think israel would be better off and would have its own security -- if it took a more narrow approach towards a mosque. and i think that the united states would likewise have its own authority, its own moral authority would be in better shape if we encouraged israel to do that. at the end of the day, if your moral compass is sensitive only to the suffering of one side, you've got a broken compass. >> a very astute point, thank you so much nick kristoff. we'll see what secretary of state anthony blinken brings to the region. he's on his way. i wonder if you will share your sentiment and convey it as well. thank you so much. i want to bring in maya barry, she's the executive director of the arab american institute. my, i am so glad that you're here. i have to tell you, anytime that people are hearing about the realities of what is happening in gaza, specifically, within the same breath, because of the population, you're talking about children. more than half the population actually are children in gaza. that adds a significant layer of thought and empathy and disbelief and then, at times, people wanting to distance themselves from the harshest of this reality. i wonder with the numbers that we're hearing about, 244% increase in reported incidents of islamophobia here, since october 7th, that is stunning. >> it is. i am one who works in an institution where we tend to rely on the concrete data that is provided by the federal bureau of investigation when it releases its annual hate crime data and i will tell you that we have seen an increase in both antisemitic incidents and anti-muslim, anti-arab, regrettably anti black. every single category one can think of what we've been having record-breaking years in terms of hate crimes in this country. so i think we have to understand that is the context in which this latest episode of violence breaks out. now we have what we term the backlash effect, which is events that are happening somewhere else in the world tend to seep into our lives here in a way that is really, very, very harmful. i heard the segment you opened up with, it's devastating to see the pictures and the situation that's happening on college campuses. it is highly regrettable and, particular ali uncomfortable environment for a lot of people. >> you're actually speaking of the fbi, that so you're getting your data from. obviously looking at that work chart we're talking about the primary justice. he was spoken to the department of justice about the concerns that you've raised about those numbers. what was that conversation like and did you feel heard in more of a icu, i hear you right now, all do something about it kind of way? >> very much so, to be frank. this particular department of justice had made a priority of combat-ing hate and bias in a very real and meaningful way. we've seen that for a long period of time including new legislation that was passed and this justice department has implemented in a way that has the -- no hate at and they've been serious about taking this approach. i will tell you that, even when we learned of this tragic death on sunday, that evening, a statement had been issued from attorney general merrick garland making clear there is no place in our country for this type of hate. and i think that's important, when leaders speak out quickly and with moral clarity, i think it really does help people and protect people. >> the white house i think came out yesterday to talk about, they were going to create a strategy to counter islamophobia. what do you make of that strategy? it seems a little bit ambiguous and i'm being generous, we talk about crafting a strategy. what would that strategy look like? is the white house prepared to implement something that would be effective to do that? >> laura, honestly, i'm going to answer that in two different ways. the first being that, as someone who works in the civil rights space to combat hate, one of the things we've told this white house in particular is that there is a white house initiative to combat hate crimes and we think it's important to leverage that work and to engage in that work and prioritize that work because hate does not -- hate is really intersectional. it targets all communities equally, regrettably. when they released a strategy initially on antisemitism and said they would be one on islamophobia and what they called related forms of hate and discrimination, put simply, i think all hate is related. all forms of hate are related and, therefore, i think the best approach is one that brings us all together do that. having said that, they released in antisemitism strategy and then there was this effort to release the one on islamophobia. it was expected last week, i will be honest enough to share that i pushed back and said this is not the right time it's a relief strategy. >> because we're in the middle of a really difficult period with regard to what is happening in the middle east, what's happening in israel, what started in israel on october 7th and then the onslaught of the bombing and civilian casualties that we are talking about in gaza now. regrettably, i think at this point that it looks like it's a bit of a political move as opposed to something that's important to combat hate and hate that's growing in this country in all forms. >> that's fascinating to think about because one of the reasons that hate crimes, and people sometimes were bothered by the fact that he would have hate crime legislation, because i would say we already have murder charges, we already have assault shargi is, why do you have to add this additional layer there? people would say, in response, and i think is a good response, the right response, hate crimes are so terrorizing it because it is indiscriminate based on your perception of who you think i am and anyone is a walking target based on your exercise of bigotry in any given moment. it's interesting to think about the idea of collectively addressing it and not bifurcate in it in a way that you are talking about. but, there are moments, given the numbers that christopher wray has spoken about, is there not a need at times to target and ensure that there is a focus on certain groups at certain times as priorities? >> without question. what director wray cited, i would say to you, is actually not new. antisemitism, anti jewish hate crimes are always the number one category and religion just as anti black are in the racial and ethnic category. we have a problem with antisemitism in this country, there's no question about that. i would suggest, though, that part of a proper approach is to understand that the collective response to hate crime, like the activity that we've seen out of the department of justice, is i think a better way to do this. i want to be clear, having said that, the white house initiated a strategy that they have that. they want to add one on islamophobia, that is fine. the issue now that we are seeing here is that, because of what is happening, and because of, frankly, a very failed approach that the biden administration has taken with regards to the crisis in gaza right now, it is being viewed as we just released a poll looking at american voters. i want to be clear, that we ought not to conflate religion and faith and part of the hay -- is targeting arab americans as arab americans. there is a university employee at the american university after a week ago there were swastikas painted on what is clearly an antisemitic it's didn't at a college dorm room, it targeting jewish students. and then there was a flyer that was placed under the office of the employee au saying all palestinians must be killed. so clearly we have a situation here that needs to be addressed. it just does not do well to both communities, all communities, arab americans, arab muslims, jewish community, if we end up appearing to be engaging in politics over this. now, i know this administration cares deeply about hate crimes. the president said one of the reasons he chose to run was what happened in charlottesville, which is simply saying that that approach needs to be applied equally to all communities. i think that's the only way we're going to get to a place of doing better by what's happening. >> i hope you're right. i have to tell you, when i'm not hearing anymore is people saying this is not who we are and the absence of that statement is very telling and scary. thank you very much, nice talking to you, as always i appreciate it. next, speaking of trump, another trump son takes the stand in that quarter of a billion dollar fraud trial. let me tell you, things got tense. i'll tell you why, next. >> all right, it's yesterday's testimony from don junior was, it wasn't me, it's the accountants let them do the math, today's testimony by eric trump was more about him having only limited knowledge about any of the financial statements and it got pretty tense. as people with me right now are pretty familiar with what happens inside a courtroom and when it gets tense in moment like this. legal analyst and former federal prosecutor elliott women and -- former associate george w. bush. jim errol jha for. people thought it would tense, it is his kids on the stand, what did you make of it? >> it's not an unreasonable statement for a defense to say i was relying on the advice of either my accountants or my lawyers. these are voluminous statements of financial information, and not everybody -- not every manager is going to be deep in the weeds on it. what appears that trump jr. did not say, and the point you never made was he told his accountants i need you to assure me that everything you're handing me in this document is accurate and true and correct. >> it's important because he had to sign? >> he had to sign it. if you're going to rely on your accountants you need to at least have them start to you that they are certain that they're right. so i think there was a little bit of look the other way when handing the documents. i don't know what the judge is going to do it. this >> all play devils advocate, that, because you could just say i'm supposed to delegate. that's the sign of good leader, right? i delegate to people who i thought knew what they were doing, it's a one handed back to me i believe them. >> the problem is that you've got these emails who say you knew something else. this is the problem, you can only do the shaggy thing so often and say it wasn't you. he was there, he got the emails. i mean, this is the real challenge. >> receipts are inconvenient on trial. >> receipts are inconvenient on trial and i think that's where it got a little bit tense when he was confronted with emails and he also had given deposition testimony in the past as well that he was confronted with. but, again, the other -- thing >> wait, there was an issue without. because they were talking about which one we're talking about, we're getting it murky, right? emerging this one, but the last one he was actually better at. why was that a tense moment? >> anytime someone is confronted with testimony that they gave in the past it leads to potential -- because they get tripped up. i think the other problem here is that in a bench trial there is not a jury and the judge is the trier of fact and law and everything else. it seems that all the parties here have gotten under the judges skin a little bit. they have not done themselves any favors. >> prosecution side to, do you think? >> not necessarily. >> the whole thing about going after the judge, this is a terrible plan. judges are very close to their -- the idea that trump's lawyer, who is a former solicitor general of georgia, complaining about her, that notes are being passed back and forth. the judge is upset, this is not the way to help yourself on a bench trial. >> plus, people who don't know what happened in the courtroom, a clerk, their job is not to just sit there and be a passive observer and maybe bring coffee. their job is to be able to provide judge with information that he or she might need to ultimately fact check in realtime and aid in other matters. they were not mad about the notes being passed, calling it a kind of co-judgeship. >> we should stay on that for a sack. it's important, i was a law clerk for different judges. and something that the trump team had picked on is that this is the second judge sitting up there, why is she whispering to him so much? it is a critical role in courts at the state or federal level that these people work for judges and provide them with assistance on the lot, assistance on facts. running down, doing research throughout the course of a trial. the idea that these very seasoned attorneys think that a law clerk is meddling in the judge and pulling the strings as some kind of puppeteer is just nonsense and they know better than that. >> it's going to kill you in a bench trial. >> it gets back to this very point we are talking about a second ago, it just doesn't do any favors with the judge. this man controls your faith. why are you taking him off by picking on his clerk and undermining his authority? >> the other part of it is that, because it just a judge, the normal the theatrics that is accustomed to a lot in order, perry mason gotcha moment. judges can see through all of that, he can save all of that type of charisma. the judge might also look at it and say, i know this about -- but what about ivanka? because that is my real question. we've heard from eric trump, we've heard from don jr., ivanka is saying that she doesn't want to appear because she has a scheduling issue with her kids because they're in school. we are all parents, we all rolled our eyes twice at that statement. but can she possibly avoid having to testify? >> i mean it is going to be tough. the judge is not been amenable to these arguments about not wanting to testify, right? now, she could take the fifth. she's not defending? s a defendant, she was and then they removed her from the case because she is removed from it. >> if she thinks you might have liability elsewhere, she could claim the fifth, right? >> but an adverse inference will be drawn in a civil courtroom, which means that as that judge could say, i think the answer you don't want to give me is the one that makes you look bad. so we'll see what happens. maybe it's smart to point out of the kids, i know i used my kids to not go to social events all the time so maybe that's what's happening right now. all, wait i gave myself away. i didn't mean to say that out loud. >> i tried, but i -- >> thank you for that to salvation right now. that redemption. elliott williams, jamil jaffer, thank you so much. there is more than just that courtroom in new york, the former crypto billionaire sam bankman-fried, you know him as sbf. he was found guilty today of seven counts of fraud in his role in the collapse of crypto exchange ftx. we'll tell you how much time he could be facing behind bars, that's next. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> tonight, the former crypto billionaire, sam bankman-fried, was found guilty on all seven criminal counts of fraud, including wire fraud and conspiracy to commit money laundering. spf was found guilty of stealing billions, yes with a be, of dollars in customer funds while running his crypto exchange ftx. and then using the money to buy luxury real estate, make investments, and also political contributions. let's bring in teddi shriver, cofounder of pop. he's been covering sbf and ftx for years. he also interviewed sam bankman-fried while he was under house arrest and you were in the courtroom when he was actually testifying in this trial. the fact that he was found guilty, based on his testimony, are you surprised? >> no, i mean, it took under four hours of actual deliberation by the jury. that kind of tells you all you really need to know right there. i know i found the evidence to be, i'm just guy, so what do i know? -- >> so are the jurors. >> i found the evidence to be overwhelming. the entire defense case was essentially sam's word, there were a single hands worth of other witnesses and you had documentation, contemporaneous oftentimes, from sam's three closest allies indicating that a pretty massive financial crime was committed. >> his girlfriend testified. >> ex girlfriend to cried on the stand. you have all of that, and you have this guy saying no, trust me. essentially put yourself in their shoes. it's easy to see why the juror took under four hours. >> what's he like? when he was testifying did he demonstrate some confusion, remorse, shock that he had been charged? was there anything that they could hang their hat on and say he didn't intentionally do this? >> the direct testimony that sam gave was the most charitable version of events that you could ever put on it. there were a lot of passive voice, a lot of mistakes were made. that sort of sentiment. the cross-examination, though, his credibility was shattered 1000 times. there is a lot of i don't recall, i don't know, sure you could say that. he was on the stand for a day and a half under cross examination at don't see how any single juror could find anything that he said to be credible. >> why do they put him on the stand? was it their only means or was he insistent, was that his personalities say he's going on? >> i buy the argument that it was actually rational first-time to testify at the point you testified because he was being destroyed for a month and had basically no other defense. now, that's not say that it worked because he got convicted on all seven counts, but i know, ordinarily, obviously defendants don't take the stand of themselves. i think the risk is too great if they're going to do so. in this specific instance, i think it was actually rational. that being said, did it conveniently lineup with his enormous ego? of course. >> he is facing over 100 years, 110. whether he will get that, who knows. i don't think it's until march coming, up but he will likely appeal. how do you think he is feeling tonight about having been convicted? >> you know, i think his eq is not always 100%. >> his emotional intelligence? >> correct. when i would talk with sam i think he really believed he was innocent. i'm not saying that he was or whether he should have thought that, but he didn't take a plea deal. 's lawyers didn't even want to entertain a plea deal at the beginning of the trial. i think he believed he's innocent, i think he still believes he's innocent. his lawyer is out with a statement tonight saying that he's innocent and will fight this tooth and nail. but to some extent you might think he's innocent until the day he dies. there is an element to him that is hubris that i don't think 110 years or seven counts of sentencing really damages his own impression of himself. to some extent that is pretty human, you think you are right until you are in the slammer. >> we'll see if that sentence actually comes down. really, really interesting. it teddy shriver everyone. there was an fbi raid, new york city was on fire today, really. an fbi rate in the home of the new york city mayor's eric adams to fund-raraiser. alall tell youou what, nexext. ♪ ♪ ♪ there are multiple law enforcement officials telling cnn fbi raided the home of new york city mayor adams chief fund-raiser, this morning. he said to not be part of the investigation to determine if the mayor's 2021 campaign conspired with a brooklyn-based construction company to funnel foreign money into the campaign coffers. the fbi agents took phones, computers, tablets, and files from the home of -- mayor adams office referred all questions to his political campaign when said he will comply with any inquiries as appropriate. cnn political commentator and spectrum news political anchor errol luis. errol, what do you know about this person whose home was searched, and fbi raid? >> yeah, listen, rihanna, he is from a very solid family, very solid and well regarded family. they are very active in this community. she has been a fund-raiser, but more in the administrative sense. not going around organizing bigelow and, events but more processing the checks that come in and making sure the paperwork is filed. this is of course a devastating, for both the campaign and his family, i have to have an fbi raid. the allegations, weather might sound a bit exotic, you have to remember 40% of new york city residents were born outside the country. there are a lot of demand foreign ties and companies and so forth, even surprisingly small companies. so that might be where things went wrong here. the fbi of course, as you, know does not do these things lightly. so this is really quite serious, and some of the reporting seems to suggest they rated a number of different places including the fundraising -- >> and i would mention, fund raising to support the mayor's campaign has previously been linked to criminal charges. the manhattan d.a. charged i think it was six individuals earlier this year in an alleged -- donor scheme as well, desantis what the 2021 mayoral campaign. by the way, neither mayor adams, nor his campaign were implicated in that indictment. it is very clear. but it does make people wonder, why this is surrounding him again. >> yes, it is not a good look. it is a problem. look, we have the flip side of reform. we have this reform here where if you are a local resident and making a donation, the government will match that donation 8 to 1 if it is a small donation. so that has given an incentive for people to do this donor schemes, where they pretend it is a qualifying -- qualifies for this match. it then multiply is the amount of campaign money available. we've seen this have been over and over again, a fair number of people have been indicted, some people gone to jail behind these kinds of schemes. >> so what is the political impact on this administration if any? >> well, calls are growing around. the rumors are starting to fly fast and furious that -- jump in the race and try to run against him. there is really no declared democratic candidate running against eric adams at this point. indeed, the storm is not up until 2025. so we will see what develops. in the short term, it is an embarrassment. it is a distraction. it is not much more than not politically just yet. until and unless somebody steps forward and says they want to challenge the mayor. that person has not that made themselves -- >> well i get this in, politics the night is always young. errol, so nice to see this, evening thank you for stopping by. >> thanks, laura. >> everyone, well, not exactly beetle mania. okay, ed sullivan, but the beatles are back. we'll kind of back. there is a new beatles song, and it is all thanks to artificial intelligence. we will play it for you u right after ththis. >> all right, tonight the band is back together, we'll sort of. the beatles dropping a new song, more than 50 years after their final performance. listen to the, some it is called now and then. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> yes, you are hearing john london's voice as well on that. the first version of it was actually recorded in 1978 by john lennon. after death, his widow sent the tape to paul mccartney. a. i was used to mix in the vocals and -- 1995. six years before his debt. joining me now is national writer -- melissa, i'm so glad you are here. there is beetles -- had a black and white television, but i love the beatles, i am a fine of the most, well but i don't understand quite how this is a i enforce. why is it? >> it is a i assisted, is what it is. i think paul mccartney confuse things a little, bit he gave an interview where he said they were using a.i. to create the song. these are jobs photos that were here. nothing is fake. this is the same stuff that john recorded on a cassette tape in 1978, that your cool gave to the guys in the mid 90s. the mid 90s, they didn't have the technology. the tape is -- when peter jackson get the documents in 2021, they have this audio technology now where they can separate the tracks. so you have jobs, vocals, piano, and the ar comes in where peter jackson concede to the computer, that is the guitar. and, that is what they did with the song. so they were able to separate voice from the piano, and then also still had the instrumentation from -- a 1995. paul and ringo went back in, and said we can put some new based on drums on this. pull out of the slide guitar solo and -- that is really the last time we are going to hear the four of them together on anything. this is the last song that was left on the debilitates that yoko gave to the guys. this will be it. >> but i think people might be a bit confused, because when you hear a are you think artificial. >> what you described to me sounds like a remix, honestly. you remakes an album, stir some, vocals you have done what others do in the industry, the samples and tracks income mining again. a. i, more broadly, is being used in music in the more traditional -- of that sense. >> yes, because what they are doing a lot now with a.i., is when they sample, stuff you want to take a little bit of an extra piece of instrumentation, it is easier with the technology not to grab that right now, rather than what it used to have to do before with tapes and mixers. there are other reasons that a.i. will probably be useful to producers in the studio. they say it is not going to replace anybody's jobs, but it will streamline things. it will augment things. we know sometimes that isn't always the case, when technology enters the picture -- >> when is it bad? >> it is bad for a few things. it is bad when right now, there are demos singers, who are out there. there is a songwriter, they want to send their song to major artist, a demo singer will cut that, send that to the singer, and the person can decide whether or not they want to use it. with a.i., they can mimic the voice as we heard. they can mimic the voice of the thing that they are sending the song to, so that person can hear exactly how they would sound if they were going to record the song. >> you mentioned johnny cash, i will play with that, because taylor swift is literally ubiquitous everywhere. listen to this. >> hello, i'm not johnny cash. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> that is your point. it is not endorsing, their force, they're using his voice. >> they're using his voice, and first, of all the johnny cash is a -- that is the other problem. there is a lot of copyright issues. there is so many people on the internet, tiktok is wild with all these various re-mixes, remakes, taking his voice and mixing. and if you are going to try and release it commercially, you can't do that. this is the property. this is intellectual property that you can't just decide -- there was the case over the summer, there is a producer out there who took drake and the weekend, mixed, together made a song wanted to submit for the grammys. initially they said okay, we think you can. but then the gummies came out and said no. you can't because the smokers were not proved. this is a copyright issue. the song is to be released commercially, it is not released commercially. so the grammy stipulations are now that you have to have a person who created the song, not just a computer. if you use a computer, that is fine. so it is a lot of gray area right now. we will have to see where it goes. as far as the beatles go, this is the last we will hear of the -- it is everything real, and authentic, and everything. >> melissa, for some reason, -- thank you so much for joining us. appreciate it so much. thank you all for watching our live coverage continues s aftera short break.k. so t they tried d to have a gra? 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