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confirmations were pushed through today. that means for the first time since july, the joint chiefs do have a full slate of senate-confirmed officers. that includes admiral lisa frank kennedy, tuberville saying he's standing by the block cade we means they will have to continue to do them one one. thank you foror joininin us, cnn news with abby phillips starts right now. the gaza skylights up with rockets and flarest risks losing the war of public opinion. that's tonight on news night. >> good evening, i'm abby philip in washington. to want, the sights and sounds of war, caught on cnn's cameras, lighting up the sky in gaza, can the united states tell it's ally how to fight a war? and can the leader of the free world stitch together democrats viscerally torn apart by israel's campaign. just in, sources say that president biden and his administration are all warning israel that it has weeks, not months to uproot hamas from gaza. and that every image of a dead palestinian child is tipping public support away from it's war. the president got on in your face challenge to tell israel that enough is enough. >> mr. president, if you care about jewish people, as a rabbi, i need you to call for a cease fire right now. >> biden responded by saying that he wants a pause or what his critics call a cease-fire by another name. it's a notion that the white house tried to shoot down today. >> we're also helping israel go after hamas. >> and as you push israelis for humanitarian pauses, are they just supposed to sit back and let hamas attack and attack and attack them and not fight back? >> we've been crystal clear had israel has a right to defend themselves. >> now, democrats were never going to make blood thirsty calls for revenge or insist on bulldozing the entirety of gaza with artillery, but, 23 days ago, a cease fire would have been unthinkable for the far left wing of the party. and it was just a week ago who said a cease fire really only benefits hamas. and now it's not unthinkable at all. >> it is time for a humanitarian pause. it is time for us to count the injured and bring them forward for floating hospitals and other sources to help them. i think this is the moment we should cease. >> is a cease fire needed now? >> i think it is. >> that was dick durbin, the number two demonstrate on cnn this morning. his answer is a matter of evolution over democrats telling the president that israel cannot go on waging war like they are. and tonight, senator chris murphy a powerful demon in his view and the view of others, strikes like as what you see here are no where are near proportionate. he said, today this should not have happened. to some democrats, the jabalia strike is simply a warmer. >> we're seeing refugee camps bombed and thousands of children who have died. this is not war. this is chaos. and we have a responsibility to uphold our standards and commitment to human rights. it is a war crime. at the same time, there is a very vocal other side of this conversation. rasheedatalibe finds herself a target of this ad from a group called democratic majority for israel. >> she's one of only seven democrats in congress to vote against missile attacks in israel. her legislation will allow terrorists to arm themselves. tell. >> i want to bring in democratic congresswoman, thank you for being here. you're calling for a cease fire as are some of your colleagues. but, look at what's happening tonight, the intensifying of bombardment and ground invasion of gaza, do you think that is still possible? >> well, abby, what i have called for is a crease fire or at minimum, assessization of hostilities. because, a cease fire does take time to negotiate and it involves all parties. and i think that what has to happen is a cessation of hostilities to get the hostages out and get humanitarian aid in and have a real discussion of how to move forward in this very, very, very, tragic and complex time. and so, i think it is still possible. you see, um, countries around the world continuing to call for a cease fire or a cessation of w hostilities. we're up to 9,000 innocent civilians dead in gaza. and, over 3,000 of those are children and another 6600 kids injured. and, this is not in accordance with international humanitarian law which the president has rightly called for israel to follow. and, so, nobody believes that keeping fuel, keeping water, keeping food from innocent civilians in gaza is in compliance with the law. >> your colleague alexandra o-cortez. >> i think what i think is really very salient in this moment is how many innocent civilians are dying. and what we know is that the number of casualties, according to international law, the number of casualties of innocent civilians has to be minimized. and if you recall, there were 1.1 million gazaens told to go from north gaza to south gaza. and there have been bombing in the refugee camp and close by 12,000 people sheltering there, this is where the air strike are taking place. the idea that we're going to minimize the civilian casualties as we continue these strikes doesn't make sense. and what we have to understand is if we want peace for israel or palestine, this is not the with a i to go. expert in war and terrorism is saying this kind of bombing is going to turn more palestinians towards hamas or the next iteration of hamas. this is the the way. >> you've called for a cease fire and it's been echoed by your colleague dick durbin. but, senator murphy said that israel needs to be more prop proportionate about carrying out this campaign. well, there's no question that the october 7th attack was horrific, that hamas is a terrorist organization that needs to be eliminated. the question is how. and you know, what we've seen over and over again, and expert in terrorism who are not progressive, said the same thing when you go in and raise an entire population and dpont follow humanitarian law and don't have proportional hits compared to what's done to you. if you violate all of those terms, all you do is you actually turn more people against you. >> that's what i'm wondering. it is possible for them to carry out this campaign and ign and da way that you think actually does, in fact, minimize civilian casualties? >> well, i think that it is absolutely possible to have a cessation of hostilities, for israel to re-think how it is going to take out hamas, and how it is going to build the kinds of relationships that will allow for that kind of multilateral coalition including with. in cases where we've been successful in taking out terrorist organizations, there have been many ways on the ground that countries have come together, forces have come together, and, right now, it doesn't seem like there's much of a plan. >> i want to turn to just how this is all playing internally in the united states. congress woman rasheeda talib is facing an ad against her stance on israel. you also have congressman jamal bowman, facing a primary challenger. this is becoming a hot button issue, dividing, really, the democratic party. are you concerned this is something that could hurt democrats in 2024 in districts, that, frankly, your party cannot afford to lose? >> i do worry what this means not only for swing districts with big muslim and arab populations that were critical in getting joe biden elected and taking back the house and senate. but, also in swing states across the country, or, even not swing but very close states across the country where we have a lot of young voters who turned out, abby, there is a generational divide in how to think about israel and gaza, and our young voters who are out there, and frankly, the majority of the american population believes that israel has a right to self defense, they abhor what hamas has done. thy don't think one war crime deserves another war crime. and i think that we have to be extremely careful about losing these voters who may not vote for a republican, but, who'll stay home if they feel like their moral core has been challenged in a way that does allow them to be excited. >> do you think that they should do that if they want to stay home because of this conflict? >> listen, i think i'm going to be out there getting every democratic voter out that i could possibly get out to vote for joe biden, to vote for democrats. what i'm saying is that we cannot take them for granted. there's an issue here not just with the politics, but, just remember that 140 nations of the united nations voted for a sustain humanitarian truce. the united states was only one of 14 countries who did not. i don't want the united states to be isolated. joe biden has done a phenomenal job in rebuilding multilateral institutions. we need to listen to those multilateral institutions and we need to make sure that the united states is seen as an unbiases broker to broker peace and truth that will last for a long time in the middle east and preserve israeli security, palestinian security, self-determination and israeli and palestinian lives. and i think that's really what's at stake congresswoman, thank you for joining us tonight. >> thank you, abby. ahead, israel said it's surrounded gaza city as soldiers begin to engage with hamas. we'll talk about the unfolding battle next. plus, the leader of next door, hezbollah, is said to give a speech as fears grow this will turn into a wider war. and a stunning report on the fate of the war in ukraine. volodymymyr zelenskyky's soldie believeving their r war is unwinnablele. >> you are looking here at the orange glow of war piercing the gaza sky today, the dramatic images are what might be the prelude to the new campaign to eradicate hamas. as troops have now surrounded gaza city. the clear isolation promises to quote teach israel a lesson and to repeat the terror on october 7th. i want to bring in retired colonel layton. what we saw today, it was really, when i saw spectacular, i've never seen something that looks like that before. these explosions, the lighting up of the sky, walk us through what israel was trying to accomplish there. and this was, by the way, going on in this area right here, right? >> that is correct, abby. exactly. so, what you're looking at is not only the tunnel of maps as we have them right now based on the intelligence knowledge that we have. but, you're absolutely right, this is the area in which this occurred, this very spectacular explosions that you see right here. now, when you go back to this tunnels map here, what they're trying to accomplish is they're trying to cut off every single piece where there's an entrance and an exit. so, think of doing this for over 300 miles of tunnels. that's what the difficulty of this operation. and just by putting these dots here, you could see how difficult it is to go after every single area, not only here but in the south and in the center of the country. >> and when we say they're encirculating gaza city, what does that mean. >> so, gaza city is about here. they are literally from sea, land positions as well as air, they're going after all the different hamas positions that are in gaza city. so, we have to remember, gaza city is destroyed in large part right now. but, what the hamas fighters are doing is they're using that as in placements for setting up ambushes and ieds, and things like that. so, what they're having here, abby is the israeli army is coming in from several different sides and using these areas to come in to gaza. first they'll start here, move down this way, and as they come down in this area, they're stopping to keep everything encircled right here to keep them from going anywhere else. >> what does this mean for the hostages, there are 242 now, is the number, as the hostages in gaza city, some of them we believe held in tunnels like you're looking at here. what does the ground invasion mean for that? >> it can mean many things but most likely, they're being forced in certain areas, they're going to be in tunnels like this in all likelihood, most of them will be. if they're lucky they're will be in areas with enough air and water to sustain themselves, but, that's going to be a bit of a problem because as the israelis come in, the idea that air, water, other things maybe limited in supply will limit the effectiveness not only of the hostage takers and their ability to maintain the hostages but it will have an impact on the hostages themselves and it could be very difficult for them to come through this without major health issues at this point in time. >> so many risks for the hostages still there in gaza. colonel, thank you very much for joining us as always. and up next, detrayed by the u.s., ukraine's president delivers candid criticism aimed at the united states. plus, donald trump tonight calls january 6th inmates, hostages and salutes their anthem. governor will join me here live. nice footwork. man, you're lucky, watching live sports never used to be this easy. now you can stream all your games like it's nothing. yes! [ cheers ] yeah! woho! running up and down that field looks tough. it's a pitch. get way more into what you're into when you stream on the xfinity 10g network. the escalating war between israel and hamas is fuelling debates about how the united states should approach it. but, there is another international conflict still raising that is still a big flash point here at home. the war in ukraine, after months of a counter offensive to rest territory from russia, while ukrainian president zelensky is deeply committed to the fight, some of his advisors are worried. one of his aids telling time that he deludes him selves, we're out of options, we're not winning but try telling him that. but that sobering accidentment extends beyond the government. just like in the first world war, we have reached the level of technology that puts us into a stale mate. there'll likely be no deep and beautiful break through. a stalemate which was not the characterization over the last several months. they acknowledged they're not going as far and as fast as they would like, that said, they are moving. it's not a stalemate. they're not just frozen. ukrainians are moving. >> we do not assess that the conflict is a stalemate, we're seeing it continue to take territory on a methodical systemattic basis. >> we want to make sure that ukraine has what it needs, not only to succeed on the counter offensive, but, has what it needs for the long-term. >> and the reality on the battlefield, well, we could show you, those silver slivers of yellow are ukraine's counter offensive gains and it's not a whole lot. now, the ground in ukraine is hardening for winter and the fight for how much aid to give them is intense. congress authorized $113 billion so far, but, the polls are suggesting that american's willingness to support ukraine is waning. american who is say that the u.s. is doing too much to help ukraine, and now it's at 41%, up from 29% in june. and that's raising tough questions for the biden administration and for both party in congress. joining me now to discuss this is retired lieutenant colonel alexander vinman and he's the foreign affairs director for the national securities counsel. colonel vinman, thank you for joining us. this interview is ex-ordinary because it does outline zelensky's deep opposition at this point to negotiating a truce. this summer counter offensive was supposed to be their moment to make a breakthrough with russia, but, it has fizzled. is there a time now for a push from allies to the west to get to the negotiating table. >> i think zelensky has to respond to his own population. for the time being there's overwhelming support to continue an offensive and attempt to liberate the territory. this is overwhelming margins, we're talking about 90% of the population still believes they could win the warment and as a leader, he has to respond to that. what are our obligations as allies and partners? what is the u.s. strategic interest, i think it's to continue to help support ukraine, mainly, because, things could actually change relatively fundamentally towards the end of 2024, not because of victims on the battlefield that didn't materialize this year. part of it is how late supports came in in the last couple of weeks. the flow of support in general in terms of armored vehicles was insufficient. but, it's also, the tactics that the ukrainians were deploying, insufficient training and didn't have a concept for a way to achieve these major gains. but, the political dimension in 2024 can be very, significant, there's a nato submit, a washington summit. the 75th anniversary of nato, where ukraine could be offered to join nato, that could change russia's desire to wage war at that point russia would lose the incentives to fight because that would provoke a tore at the end of 2024, hoping to snatch a victory from the jaws of defeat with a trump administration. that completely cuts off ukraine. the fact is our obligation right now is to continue to support ukraine. >> and look, you just mentioned the 2024 campaign, if it does happen that trump wins that campaign, i mean, that could spell real trouble for ukraine. but, the article also quotes a close zelensky aide saying, "most of all zelensky feels betrayed by his western allies, they have left him without the means to win the war, only the means to survive". you just mentioned some of the aid from the united states coming late from this conflict, is he right that this is a betrayal? >> from his perspective, he's fighting on behalf of the democratic world. it's his soldiers that are dying. it's ukraine that is bearing the brunt. i think that he has a valid cause to make that. we might not like hearing it. we might have thought that we have done enough, especially, the biden administration when they take things personally when called out for not providing support or providing it too slowly. i think for this point, it's a valid judgment. i think the u.s. has benefit from this war from a geopolitical stand point. we could have provided aid that would have saved ukrainian lives and we still have an opportunity to do that. president biden in his recent speech brilliantly connected israel and ukraine, because, he sees this as a extent of regimes looking to upend u.s. leadership and rule of law. and good local governance. and i think there's an opportunity to move forward with a very large appropriation. the $160 billion that the president's asked for. $60 billion towards ukraine and $40 billion for israel and palestine. and that could provide the resources that ukraine needs to continue to chip away. because, i think these doom and gloom scenarios don't make sense to me. the fact is russia does not have endless resources and they're relying on antiquated equipment, and poorly trained troops. russia's just trying to hang on for as long as it can through 2024 and we can continue to help push ukraine, and provide resources to win. >> all right, colonel vinman, thanks for your perspective on that. and nikki haley's campaigning in new hampshire with governor chris sununu in tow. will he endorse her, i'll ask the govern next. plus, hunter biden says shame on the media for shaming his addiction but dodoes he wana call for people to be locked up overer. can nikki haley make friends in high places? the setting first in the nation and the friend in question, the state's governor, chris sununu. they joined where the pair took questions at a local restaurant. the stop follows a polling search for haley that shows her as a clear but distant second place to donald trump in south carolina. i want to bring in new hampshire governor chris sununu. thank you for joining us. you had quite the day with governor haley, are you ready to endorse her for president? >> well, no, i'm not making endorsements yet. but, kind of traveling the scene with a lot of candidates, nicky was grade, we started a

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