this sp cnn breaking news. >> hello and a warm welcome to our viewers joining us in the united states and all around the world. i'm bianca nobilo with our continuing coverage of the war on hamas. some 80 egyptian ambulances entered rafah border crossing this morning to receive injured palestinian patients, and an egyptian reporter told that at the crossing. if the patients crossed into egypt, they will be the first palestinians allowed out of gaza since the war began more than three weeks ago. cnn's scott mclean is covering this live from london. what more you hearing about these ambulances? >> the fact that there are 80 or so ambulances at the border is about the same number of palestinians that we had been told yesterday by the medical director of the al shifa hospital in gaza that would be leaving gaza for egypt. he said there were 81 badly injured palestinians who would be able to -- or would be transported to the rafah border crossing with the understanding or with the plan that they would be able to cross through the rafah border crossing and get medical attention in sheik zuad city, the first community you reach outside of gaza and inside of egypt on the sinai peninsula there. this is obviously significant for the reason that you mentioned, bianca. this would be the very first time that any gazans at all would be let out of the territory since the war began. two israeli citizens were allowed out through the rafah gate. two hostages were allowed out through the rafah gate earlier on in this war. but in terms of palestinians, they have all been trapped under the israeli bombardment for several weeks now. we also know that hospitals by and large, despite many of them being told by the israelis to evacuate south, have refused to evacuate. they say that their patients are simply too sick, too frail. there is no way to safely transport people out. and we know that many people are also taking shelter inside of those hospitals. with these 81 patients, what we've been told is they require surgical interventions that simply are not available in gaza. so the idea is they can get that medical attention in egypt. the big question, of course, will this be a sign of things to come? will more injured palestinians, and there are a lot of them, be allowed in to egypt to seek medical treatment. the egyptians have been extremely reluctant to take on any palestinian refugees on egyptian territory. they don't want the burden of refugees. they don't want the conflict to spread on to their borders either. and of course obviously if gaza were emptied out, it would make things a lot easier for the israeli, obviously, to move in and take that territory. bianca? >> scott, while this news about ambulances for injured palestinians comes as a great relief, there are, of course, attacks continuing on civilians in gaza constantly. the israeli bombardment has been relentless. and, of course, we had the bombardment of the jabalia refugee camp, one of the largest and most densely populated in gaza. what do we know about the casualties and about the weapon used? >> yeah, so we don't have a precise casualty figure, but it may well turn out that the number is extremely high in this case. as you said, the jabalia refugee camp is extremely densely populated. it is the largest in gaza. and yesterday you had these strikes carried out that left absolutely massive craters in the ground. eyewitness accounts from the ground said there were children carrying other children. there were bodies hanging in the rubble. everything obviously you can see in the pictures there covered in that gray dust. pictures from the local hospital showed bodies wrapped in white shrouds, lined up outside the hospitals. inside things are chaotic. things are extremely crowded. one nurse with msf, doctors without borders said there are children coming in with very deep wounds and severe burns as well, and some people are even being treated on the floor because there simply was not enough room for them. so what is the justification for this strike? israel says that it killed a hamas commander responsible for helping to plan the october 7th attack, terrorist attack on israel. it also says that there were other hamas terrorists that were killed in this strike. but you had an id f spokesperson asked by my colleague paula newton earlier today about the justification for this, given the level of civilian casualties that we're seeing and why they couldn't be more precise with their targeting. and the answer was essentially that, look, hamas is hiding in tunnels under the ground. and so they had to use a very heavy weapon, a very heavy bomb to make sure that it could get deep enough into the ground to kill this hamas commander and others who would have been hiding in these tunnels under ground. hamas denied that that commander was even there at the time. and obviously, is denouncing this. there is plenty of condemnation around the world about the heavy-handed tactics that israel has used throughout this war and specifically this attack. it stands in stark contrast to what we've heard from americans where the white house yesterday was saying, look, israel is not trying to kill civilians. it is trying to minimize civilian casualties. but we've seen from across the region denunciations from the saudis, from the iranians, the emiratis, the egyptians, the turkish president recep tayyip erdogan was perhaps one of the most forceful in his condemnation. and you even had, you know, from far outside the region. the leaders of colombia and chile both recalling their ambassadors to israel in the wake of this strike, saying that in direct response to this strike, the colombian leader said that it did not want its ambassador in israel amidst a massacre of the palestinian people. bianca? >> scott, as you outline the global condemnations against israel continue to come in, and popular sentiment, we see this expressed in many protests, also seems to be turning against israel in their retaliation to the attacks of october the 7th, with questions of proportionality, and if they are indeed trying to avoid civilian casualties. so in order to justify this, and justify seems like a misnomer with any civilian deaths, let alone thousands, the saying they have hit more than 11,000 targets which would be an average of more than 440 a day. what more can you tell us about that and what the idf is saying thinking is a new statement from the idf. theyed is 11,000 targets have been hit since the outset of the war, which just goes to show you the volume of the strikes that we are seeing. it is absolutely relentless. we know that the israelis have said look, most of the action is going to be in the northern part of gaza, which is why they have told people to evacuate south. but the other reality is that even central gaza, even southern gaza, they are far from safe places either because we continue to see strikes carried out in central gaza, in southern gaza, even not far from the rafah border crossing. you have seen israeli strikes as well. there are also now troops on the ground. israeli tanks on the ground. and it seems that nowhere at this point is really safe. and it was really telling in paula newton's interview earlier with this idf spokesperson just the cost benefit analysis that israel is doing here when it comes to civilian casualties. the idf says that, look, they have called off strikes in the past because they figure that the civilian death toll would be too high. but the implication is that it believes the civilian death toll was justified, or worth it in the case of this jabalya strike, despite the very high numbers of civilians who were killed, though we don't have the final number. israel obviously believes that killing the hamas commander and the others was worth it. bianca? >> scott mclean, thank you so much for bringing us all of these updates. with the fighting only growing more intense and very little aid trickling in, world leaders are ramping up their calls for humanitarian pause. the latest coming from the british prime minister. rishi sunak spoke to the israeli prime minister on tuesday, emphasizing the need to minimize civilian casualties and ensure life-saving supplies reach those who need them. but israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu fully believes it's hamas, not israel preventing people in gaza from leaving the enclave, and he has said there will be no cease-fire with hamas. his reminder of what he said just two days ago, quote, calls for a cease-fire or calls for israel to surrender to hamasness to surrender to terrorists, surrender to barbarism, that will not happen. this is a time for war. for more now, i'm joined by a nonresident fellow at the center of the conflict and humanitarian studies, and he is also the coed co-editor. thank you very much for staying up for us. we appreciate it. >> thank you. >> so benjamin netanyahu is coming under increasing criticism, and it appears that the fractures within the war cabinet and also within the israeli population, the trust in him is declining further. what is your assessment? >> well, of course netanyahu was involved in an almost year-long major political cries right before the eecevents that we're discussing now. in addition, i think the attacks in israel on october 7th have dealt a body blow, not only to israeli public confidence in their military leadership, but also in the political leadership. and what we're seeing now is in effect two campaigns. first, the israeli campaign against the gaza strip. and second, what i call operation cover your ass, where all of the sudden we have political and military leaders coming out of the woodwork, claiming, you know, that they warned against precisely the scenarios we've seen earlier this month. you had the well-known incident a few days ago where netanyahu tried to shift blame to the military and intelligence leadership, which caused outrage, even though technically, he was right because israel didn't have any intelligence about what happened. but nevertheless, it was seen as trying to shift blame away from himself in the midst of a crisis. >> so this sense that he is essentially preparing the ground for an inquiry in trying to shore up evidence and support for himself, presumably that is not going down well in the public at large. and how strong are the feelings too that perhaps the intelligence offices of the government may have been distracted by the other controversial plans that the netanyahu government was trying to push through, reforming the judiciary. how credible do you think some of these sentiments are in terms of explaining why this intelligence failure may have occurred? how much blame does rest with netanyahu? >> blame obviously rests with netanyahu in the sense that he was the senior official in charge of the government and the security establishment on october 7th. having said that, there is not much to distinguish netanyahu's policies towards either the gaza strip or the palestinians more generally from those of his predecessors. i do think, you know, that those who were critical of netanyahu will see the political crisis of the past year within israel as having made the situation that much worse. but having said that, we also need to remember that netanyahu is the longest serving prime minister in israel's short history, and the reason he has that distinction is because he was repeatedly voted into office. so i think it's also a point to recognize that he does have a significant reservoir of popular support among the israeli public. >> and mouin, yesterday i spoke with the former head of shin bet, and we had an interesting discussion about potential pathways, or hypothetical ones out of this. and he said he felt it would need to be a two-state solution or a peace plan imposed internationally, perhaps from the u.s. and other partners upon netanyahu's government. and then he would have to get behind it. but then he said it was so unlikely that netanyahu would ever do that. i mean, when you look at the prognosis for what is ahead and for de-escalating and finding some kind of peace, do you feel that netanyahu could ever be the man to do that? >> well, i think first of all, we have to recognize that this has turned into a meaningless slogan. we've been hearing it for 30 years, from the americans, from the europeans. and usually it serves as a figure leaf for inertia. and doing nothing. otherwise we would have gotten there decades ago. with respect to netanyahu, i think we also need to recognize not only the political constraints he's placed upon himself by having in effect become an enthusiastic annexationist, but also, he cannot afford to jettison his current coalition partner, because those are the ones he needs for his legislative initiatives that are ultimately designed to keep him out of prison. >> rabbani, we really appreciate your time this morning. such important points to understand the political context which of course is driving a lot of these decisions pertaining to a significant and momentous time in war. thank you very much for being with us. >> thank you. coming up, i'll be speaking with a nobel peace prize laureate and distinguished advocate for children about what can be done to protect israeli and palestinian children who are caught up in this conflict, when we return. israel's blood supply has become a critical resource during this war, and it's taking extraordinary measures to protect it. cnn's wolf blitzer visited israel's unique shielded underground blood bank that processes and tests the entire country's supply. and he got a look at its extensive security measures. >> on the surface, it looks like an ordinary office building, but it's what lies beneath that makes this building one-of-a-kind. >> you can't live without blood and there is no artificial blood. >> reporter: just outside of tel aviv, nearly 50 feet below ground lies what is believed to be the world's only shielded underground blood bank. >> all the blood comes here and we process it. >> reporter: israel's entire blood supply is processed and tested here at the marcus national blooz services center. >> the whole idea of this place is because we built it in a shelter. so we are now in a shelter. >> deep below the ground? >> yes. >> because this presumably would be a major target for israel's enemies? >> absolutely. and we were very concerned about the people who work and the blood of course, the blood inventory. so in a case of siren now, rockets attack, we're all protected. it's a shelter. >> the organization actually moved into the building on october 9th, just days after the hamas terror attacks. it is now more vital than ever in a country at war. >> we distribute blood to all the hospitals and to the army. when we evacuate a patient, either a civilian or the military, ambulances or helicopters, they get blood on the way to the hospital already. provided by us. >> there are three levels underground. each level more secure than the next and all designed to operate even if there is a direct attack. on the first level, they sort, label, and test the blood. >> so we are now in the testing laboratory, which we call the mega lab. the idea that we put the -- all the troops in here, and everything is automated. it's like hands-off. >> so this is state-of-the-art technology? >> absolutely, absolutely. then the result are transmitted to the main computer system to boost the file of the unit. so here you can see waiting for the turn. and once they can go on, they'll go in. >> the center handles more than blood. they also handle plasma. plasma is used to increase volume. when someone has lost a lot of blood. it is stored frozen. >> 39 degrees. >> so cold. >> running all of this requires electricity, which is why the lowest level is key to the operation. so where are we going now? >> now we're going to the three, the most protected place. >> the lowest level. so we'll be deep underground. >> the deepest. >> if the enemy of israel were launching rockets or bombs and hit at the top, people in this building would be safe. the whole building is like a bomb shelter. >> everything that we do will be safe. >> the blood would not be destroyed. the power for the whole operation is protected by enormous blast doors that are some of the largest in israel. >> in emergency, when we get an alert from the idf, we close the blast doors. >> professor shinar says this facility is so deep underground, it can withstand a chemical attack, poison gas or biological attack, protecting life-saving blood and plasma for a country at war. so we're very deep below the ground. so it's very secure. >> and we talked about windows, okay. the outer window is a shelter window, which will close. >> so it's secure. >> in peacetime we can open it so daylight can come in. >> this is not peacetime now. >> absolutely. >> no. >> cnn's wolf blitzer reporting there from israel. we'll be right back. after this short break. is it possible my network could take my business to the next level? it is with comcast business. powering all your devices with gig-speed wifi. and you get fast downloads and uploads. pick it up! pick it up! oh we got this! because it's powered by the next generation 10g network. more speed for your business? it's not just possible. it's happening. get started for $59.99 a month for 12 months. plus, ask how to get an $800 prepaid card with a qualifying internet bundle. comcast business, powering possibilities. you're looking at live pictures of the rafah border crossing where some 80 ambulances are waiting to receive seriously wounded palestinian patients, according to an egyptian border official. when they cross into egypt, they will be the first palestinians allowed out of gaza since the war began more than three weeks ago. they're expected to receive medical care in egypt. aid workers in gaza say the stories coming from the jabalya refugee camp are horrific. the israel defense forces targeted the heavily populated camp with air strikes tuesday, saying they killed a top hamas commander. but the strike killed an unknown number of civilians and laid waste to parts of the camp. we caution you that the next images are graphic, taken inside a gaza hospital. doctors without borders says that young children came to the hospital with deep wounds and severe burns. one man just 100 meterers from e camp says he saw children carrying other injured children, bodies hanging in the rubble, and hysterical, dazed civilians. disturbing accounts keep pouring in from the jabalya refugee camp in gaza. one eyewitness told cnn he saw, quote, children carrying other children, as we were just saying, and that other children were running and that they were injured. and he also said he saw distressed mothers who didn't know whether to cry for losing their children or run and look for them. my next guest, kailash satyarthi was awarded the nobel peace price jointly with malala yousufzai in 2014 for their struggle against suppression of children and young people. and he is now campaigning for compassion and action for the child victims of the israel-hamas war. and he joins me now from southern india. lovely to speak to you, sir. thank you for making the time. >> thank you. my pleasure. >> the impact on children is so obvious and painful in this war, apart from the loss of life, the grief, the potential squandered and injury. how else does a conflict like this impact the children left behind? >> it's impacting children -- who are in palestine, but it is impacting hundreds of millions of children in the world psychologically, mentally. appearing on the media is so shocking -- so -- >> i think we may have lost our communication there with kailash satyarthi. we will do our best to get him back to continue that important discussion. so we're going to take a quick break. coming up after that, iran-backed houthi militantsts yememen say they'v've launched attatack on israel.. how theyey're getting g involve israel's war with hamas. welcome back. also back with me is kailash satyarthi, the nobel peace prize winner from 2014, joining me from southern india. thank you so much for your patience. live tv can be a bit of an unpredictable beast. let's go right back to that first question that i asked you about the broad impact of what we're seeing unfold in israel and in gaza on children. >> well, the children who are suffering every day, every minute, they are most affected, as all of us know that lots of children have lost their livelihood, their lives and so on. their parents and everything in the future. but the affect is long-lasting, not only for these children and coming generations, but those of watching the medias of what is happening now would also be affecting mentally and psychologically hundreds of millions of young people in the world. and that is an irreparable loss. >> nobel peace prize winners can form these very powerful pressure groups. and recently you have spearheaded a joint statement appealing for peace for the sake of children. what do you hope to achieve? who do you want to hear your message? and what mind-set shift is required from political leaders to protect children better? >> well, first of all, we are seeing again and again that palestinian children are our children. israeli children are our children. if one single child is killed, maimed, kidnapped, we cannot call ourselves civilized. the wars are affecting children like that. we have to caution the world of our progress in civilizations. secondly, i would say that we as a group of 102 nobel laureates have demanded that no child should be starved of food, water, medicine, and shelter. these things must be provided for every single child in the world that contains the need. apart from their safety. thirdly, we have to ensure that other people should also be given safe passes, and there should not be any -- in sending human aid to them immediately because the news is very, very horrifying. they should not starve of food and water and other things. so this is another thing. but we as nobel laureates saw that the world is getting divided every day, and that is going to have long-lasting impact on the entire society. it's a complex issue combined with the policy, diplomacy, politics, reasons, faith, and so on, history. but what we believe that the children is the only unifying factor. if we are able to unite compassion for children, for our children, because then we are able to move forward in terms of demanding and building peace. so it is just the beginning. we wanted to start with the issues of children and wanted to make sure that we should end the situation as much as possible. and we kept ourselves quite neutral, because we know that the active neutrality and impartiality has its own power of paving way for dialogue to live for peace. that's why we have very strong notion that no child should be killed, and kidnapped. and we agree again and again they are all our children. therefore, we called everyone, every citizen of the world that please light tea candles. one for the children of israel. one for the children of palestine, and one for the children of peace, compassion and hope. because globalizing compassion and dealing with this situation in a compassionate manner is the only solution. >> lastly, and briefly to you, if i may, we know that children are being disproportionately affected in the bombardment of gaza. what is happening to the idea of childhood in this situation? and for as long as humanity has been organized, there has always been war. do you think that the regard and protection of children in war is going through a particularly vulnerable period right now? >> this is absolutely a vulnerable period for children and for their childhood, because they have already lost their childhood who are living in gaza, all the children who have been affected due to -- due to hamas, you know, attack. so those children in israel, those children in gaza, they are losing their childhood. that kind of sensitivity which can make this world a better place is being lost due to this war an situations. and everybody to speak, not just to show the faces of those children, but to speak out for our children, because israeli children are our children, and palestine children are our children. >> kailash satyarthi, thank you so much for joining us and for the work you do. obviously, children are literally our only hope for the future in an increasingly divided world. and it would just take heroic efforts to grow up in those circumstances and not carry some of that pain and anger with you. so we really appreciate the work that you do. thank you. >> pleasure. thank you so much.h. >> andnd w we'll be riright bac you u after thisis short brerea. stayay with us. israel's military says it has thwarted what it called aerial threats around the red sea, using its defense system for the first time to interrupt a surface to surface missile. the houthi rebels in yemen says they launched the attatack andne world d is watchching now.w. fred pleitgegen reports. >> reporter: i iranian-backeked houthi fighters in yemen with a show of force. while only hitting u.s. and israeli flags in this exercise, the houthis say they've also launched a massive long-distance attack on israel using ballistic and cruise missiles as well as dronones. the yemeni armed forces affirm that this operation is the third in support of our oppressed brothers in palestine, the spokesman says. israel cononfirms the attack, saying its defense forces managed to thwart it usising modern air defense system. but both the u.s. and israel have long accused iran of providing the e houthis s with lolong-range weaeapons. we got a a rare chchance to fil some of iran's drone and missile arsenal at a military fair in tehran in 2019. as the israel-hamas war continues,s, the iranians are ao flexing their own military muscle. a recent large scacale exexerci aiming to show tehran's defense capabilities. but one of the commanding generals also making clear the islamic republic's goal is to destroy israel. "regarding the message to the zizionist regime, he says, in ft we announce the destruction of this regimime, and godod willin willll witness it soon.. iran's military is not nearly as modern as the u.s.'s or israel's. many of its weapons are u.s.-made from before e the islamic revolution in 1979, like these vietnam war r era cobra atattack helicopopters. but iran influences or controls scscores of milititias around t enentire middle e east, which tn says it can mobilize to not only attack israel, but u.s. assets throughout the region. in an interview with al jazeera, iran's president threatening escalation. "the events we're seeing in gaza are all red lines that are b beg breached by the e zionist entit" he says. the killing of women and children, the killing of more than 3,000 childreren isis not somethining that any human beie cacan reasonably or by conscien accept.. israel maintainsns i it does no target civilians in its campaign against hamas in gaza, and theh u.s. has sent two cacarrier stre groups and additional surface-to-air missile batteries to the region. the biden administration warning iran to back off. >> we will take our national security interests very seriouously. we w will protect and defend ou troops, and we'll do it at a time and a manner of our choosing. >> reporter: fred pleitgen, cnn, berlin. >> joining me now from jerusalem is nimrod goran, senior fellow for israeli affairs at the middle east institute. very god to speak to you this morning. let's pick up on that reporting by my colleague fred pleitgen. yemen houthis have now waded into this conflict, confirming the expanded scope that everyone has been so worried about. what fresh dangers does that present? and how are they best navigated? >> on the onset of the hamas attack on october 7th, i think it was a priority for both israel and the u.s. and other western allies to prevent the spillover of this war. i think the response now is a dei response. so israel, but also in the part of the saudis, the perception into their territory reportedly is defense mode. there is no interest to encase, and i think those indicate many in the region that this war is actually something between two axis, which many countries are on the side of israel and the u.s., will also be very concerned what israel is doing to palestinians. an anti-hamas, anti-iran axis. >> we've heard iran speak about red lines being violated, ramping up the rhetoric further. what do you expect to see from iran next, the intensification of more attacks threw its proxies or something else? >> yeah, we already seen the air strikes by israel. according to the speculation may have been important one to see what he had and how iran react. and the reaction now are limited. i think the messaging coming from president biden and the u.s. military, the deployment of forces, and the hope is that that will continue. so there will not be intensification. we are probably in lion for a prolonged battle in gaza. it will have -- in terms of region relationship. but people are tried to already begin looking for the configuration after the war in which some international mechanism should be established in which regional compuntries would have an important role to play. you see qatar doing mediation for the israeli hostages. we see the egyptians now taking care of people that are injured within the gaza strip. so countries want to find a way not to be dragged into a war that they do not want to be part of. >> that of course is very promising and might exert a powerful amount of leverage. talk to us more about how those other countries might be involved, and perhaps if you could elaborate on saudi arabia in particular. obviously we've heard from the saudis in response to the jabalya attack condemning it in the strongest terms possible. but still relations with the u.s. attempting to be built further between saudi arabia and washington. so what role could they play? >> i think the messaging coming from the saudis and their interaction with the americans is important one because, yes, there is condemnation of what israel is doing in gaza, and that is not surprising. but there is also a very clear messaging about the saudi interest in looking for ways to advance israeli-palestinian peace and a two-state solution after this war is over. and there is also indication about willingness to continue that began earlier of finding a new type of relationship between israel and the saudis with american involvement. we are also hearing from the uae about their commitment to the abraham accord. i think those indications mean that the regional architecture that was set in recent years totally changed the dynamics between israel and the world. currently what is happening on the ground. patient to act may be egypt that is concerned about the refugee flow to sinai and jordan who is very much concerned what happened to its bank and whether it will spill over somehow to domestic unrest in its sate. i think egypt and jordan may be the countries that are pushed to react more quickly and have a more forward-looking approach, also to their state in the palestinian leadership in the day after and maybe gaza. >> is there a point of israel's retaliation for the attacks on october 7th in terms of proportionality. there has been thousands of palestinians have been killed disproportionate impact on women and children. is there a risk that if israel violates theoretical red lions of these arab nations in some of the gulf states, that that architecture you're talking about will simply breck down because it's not sustainable? >> there is a risk of regulation continuing. i'm not sure whether they will breck down. in fact we don't see any change in the official level of diplomatic representation in israel, but definitely, the more this continues, the more palestinian lives are being lost, the more reactions will be in the anger of war. but will they be presented for public protest and condemnation or will they be translated into diplomatic action? and currently we do not see the into the diplomatic world. of course the relationship are slowing down. cooperation is not advancing these days. whatever was there before may continue to a certain extent, but no break is expected. we are expected to see in a summit convened later in november to try and bring some message of different countries together. but i think the main key is to see whether there are countries that are downgrading ties. we saw some south american countries do it tonight in their ties with israel. we saw erdogan canceling, but not touching the level of presentation. well need to see whether this continues. once the dust settles, is that we still have effective diplomatic ties with the region to enable -- letting what happened progress towards future peacemaking. >> thank you so much for your calm and lucid approach. we appreciate it. >> thank you. >> and thank you for joining us. i'm bianca nobilo. i'll be back in a few moments with more news after the short break.

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