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First impeachment, and what is your reaction to this . It is another milestone in the compatibility of the events that culminated january 6th. You have three lawyers participating, and a federal judge has called assault on the 2020 election a coupe in search of a legal theory. Jenna ellis today, last week, Ken Cheese Sebro and sidney pows plea are important, because ms. Ellis spoke to the false facts that underlie the assault. So i think it is a significant milestone as we continue to seek accountability for the the events of the 2020 election. Yeah. Norm, standby for one second, because i want the bring back in Nick Valencia who was the only journalist inside of the courtroom for the moment of the emotional statement from jenna ellis. Nick . Yeah, i just got out of the courtroom where we saw jenna ellis take that guilty plea, and the dominos are starting to fall against the former president , and another blow of the defense as yet another attorney takes a guilty plea from the allegations of the Fulton County courthouse, and it was impromptu, and it was scheduleed by judge mcafee, and i sat behind jenna ellis. She had a range of emotions, and when the accusations against her were read, it seemed as though she had a smirk as she was hearing the charges against her, and then in a striking moment, and unpredented moment so far in the trial, she stood up, and addressed court. In the wake of the 2020 president ial election, i believed that challenging the results on behalf of President Trump should be pursued in a just and legal way. I endeavored to represent any client to the best of my ability. I relied on lawyers with many more years of experience than me to give me true and reliable information because my role involved speaking to the media and other legislators of the other state, and what i should have done, your honor, is to make sure that the facts that others alleged were true. And in frenetic pace of raising challenges to other states, including georgia, i failed to do my due diligence. I believe in and i value Election Integrity and if i knew then what i know now, i would have declined to represent donald trump. I look back on this whole experience with deep remorse. With those failures, your honor, i have taken responsibility before the colorado bar who has censured me, and i take responsibility before this court and i apologize to the people of georgia, thank you. Reporter those are the words are the first time that we have heard from a codefendant in public court to make public comments, and such a moment that the judge scott mcafee who made a comment to her. As part of the plea deal, she is forced to write an apology letter, as others r and she is going to be doing 100 hours of Community Service and 5,000 fine, and with other plea deals, she is going to have to testify against other codefendants in Future Proceedings and trials in this case. John . Thank you, nick. Great reporting to getting there and bringing it to all of us. Lets bring in Jessica Schneider in this where jenna ellis has been outspoken and maybe more than most leading up to the moment, and hearing her then being outspokenen court saying that if i knew then what i know now, i would not have represented donald trump in those legal challenges against the 2020 election. Yeah, and she has been very outspoken and we have seen it in court, and seen it repeatedly over social media, and presumably, she wont be able to tweet like she has been, because of the restrictions is put on her by the judge here, but she is of the four people that we have seen plead gill tin colluding Kenneth Chesebro and Sidney Powell and the bail bondsman, and she has been the most outspoken against trump and criticized him for not coming to the defense of the other 18 codefendants in the Racketeering Case In Georgia and she has talked about the mounting legal costs that she has been facing, and talked about why didnt trump issue some blanket pardon before he left office. So, she has been critical against the former president , and presumably, now that she has to testify and speak truthfully in this case against other defendants, other codefendants including the former president , she potentially could be one of the more dangerous for trump. She was in the room with Rudy Giuliani, and she was, as mentioned by the states attorney here, she was present and very active in the legislative hearings that they had in georgia, in michigan, arizona, pennsylvania, with Rudy Giuliani, and side by side with him trying to convince the legislators to convince the fake elector, and jenna ellis has shown it, that she has an ax to grind, and she is angry or at least shown the anger in the tweets, and little bit more subdued and remorseful in the speech before the court today. But you know, jenna ellis seems to have a lot of anger towards donald trump. The question is how will that anger that she has shown over social media transpire when she is asked to give testimony and work with the prosecutors here in this ongoing case against the former president and the other defendants still facing those charges here, guys. Yeah, you would think that it does increase the legal jeopardy for sure, and now the fourth of the codefendants in the Fulton County case to ener into the plea agreement. Now, jess, standby, as i bring in norm eisen, and now, four codefendants have entered into the plea deal, and she agreed to one count of aiding and abetting with false statements and this is statements that she made alongside Rudy Giuliani in a hearing in december, and none of the codefendants has pleaded guilty to the rico or racketeering charge yet. So, how do any or any of the guilty pleas perhaps impact that which is, maybe the big over all of the charges here. John, they enabled the prosecutors, the guilty pleas do, they enabled the prosecutors to prove up the rico charges against the most senior individuals who have been charged. Of course, mr. Giuliani and the former president. That works in a variety of ways. You need to prove to the acts as the elements of proof. And now, you are going to have mr. Chesebro, ms. Powell, jenna ellis come in, and this is streamlining proof. Five months have been set aside for the chesebro trial, Chesebro And Powell Trial because of the painstaking process, and now kit move much more quickly, and looking at ms. Ellis tearful presentation admitting that the falsehoods that donald trump still continues to push on the Campaign Trail were lies that she was misled, that is going to be very powerful for a jury. To his defense stands on two legs in georgia and federally, john, one is that he actually won the election and the other is that it is the factual predicate, and the other is the legal argument, and therefore i have the right to challenge itt in the way that i did. Well, ms. Ellis and ms. Powell were purveyors of the falsehoods of him winning, and they have backed down and plead guilty, and mr. Chesebro was a architect of the legal theory, and he has backed down, and so it is pulling the rug out from under Donald Trumps defense, and this is very, very ominous for him as a state and federal criminal defendant and the same for giuliani. Norm eisen, thank you so much for jumping on, and Jessica Schneider, and Nick Valencia for the great reporting, and what this means and where it is going, but it is looking like dominos for sure. And we go to capitol hill with more news now we are down to seven people, seven candidates in the speaker race, and the House Republicans are voting Behind Closed Doors trying to pick a new speaker, and now, looking at the latest to drop out is alabamas gary palmer withdrawing his name from consideration moments ago. Manu raju spoke to him moments ago. Reporter how is this whole episode reflecting on the house gop . Poorly. Very, very poorly from every aspect, and it is frustrating, because it is a few, these eight working with the democrats to ruin the reputation of the republicans, but we will earn it back, and there has to be consequences. That is before going in, and there is a lot coming out, and manu, what are you hearing now . Yeah. They are voting on the first Secret Ballot election to nominate their candidate for Speaker Of The House three weeks to the day when Kevin Mccarthy was ousted in the unprecedented and historic vote to get behind a candidate to replace him, and the republicans are furious about everything that has gone down, and they are at loggerheads with one another, and amid this infighting, and nothing can be added to the pond until a Speaker Of The House has been nominated, and then a majority of the house vote, and much higher threshold, 217 to be elected. But talking to the republican, it is clear they are getting an earful from the constituents back home, and considered that this fallout could cost them the republican majority. Reporter what did you hear from the constituents this weekend about the dysfunction up here . They just cant believe that we are this bad. It is not positive. It is delieutive to the efforts of keeping majority. My constituents are pretty darn darn frustrated with this process. To quote a famous line of billy joel, we did didnt start this fire but we will do our best to come together. Reporter but that is the big question, can they come together. And even if a candidate is elected today by the House Republican conference to get to the 217 votes is a different question altogether, and steve scalise, the house leader and jim jordan experienced themselves when being nominated over the last three weeks to be the next speaker, but unable to get the votes in the house, and amid a rebellion in the ranges. Right now, a lot of focus in this vote that is happening on tom emmer, the house rep. He is considered frontrunner, and how close does he get to 217 on the first ballot, and if he does not, what happens next, and they dont, and nobody gets a majority on the vote with the seven candidates, and they will keep voting until somebody gets a candidate, and they will drop off until they get to point, and it is seven hours until we know who the republican nominee is and how close they are until the that 217 threshold number, and talking to the conservative members and hardliners and the Freedom Caucus people, they are concerned about the emmers numbers on the spending is issues and that could be an issue for him in the days ahead, and some of the other candidates have issues among the ranks, but there is a question of whether the house can move out of the state of paralysis, kate. Two steps forward or two back, and we clearly did not start this fire. And we will get back to manu as it is getting through the morning and a ton of developing stories that we are continuing to track for you. We will be right back. All right. We have break news on two fronts. Former Trump Campaign attorney jenna ellis has entered into a plea deal with Fulton County prosecutors. She pleaded guilty to the aiding and abetting of Making False Statements in writing. She is the fourth person in this wideranging Fulton County case to enter into a plea deal with prosecutors. While that is going on, inin washington, d. C. , there is currently behind doors, republicans once again meeting to try to nominate a house speaker. Two people have dropped out of the race, Congressman Dan Muse dan meuser and congressman gary palmer. And now, one of these people is hoping to be the next speaker, and whether they can win on the house floor is another thing. Political commentator congressman kinzinger, and s. E. Cupp, and i wanted to start with jenna ellis, this is another plea deal in which jenna ellis pleaded guilty to the aiding and abetting of Making False Statements alongside Rudy Giuliani, and you were there in the house subcommittee investigation, and i want your reaction now that four people have pleaded guilty before our eyes in the case . Well, it is vindicating for the house january 6th committee, and vindicating for the country, and i am glad that the case is falling in line and i would be worried if i were donald trump, but contrasting to d. C. That people are running for speaker that wont say that the election was legitimate, and this is how they dont care about the circles of the gop, and with the exception of a few running, it is incredible dichotomy, and im glad that jenna ellis is facing justice, and donald trump is going to be facing justice because of this, but it is a dichotomy of what jim jordan would refuse to say that the election is legitimate. And the congressman is saying that the plea deals here, and what is going on in congress. You have had these two people drop out, but of the remaining, only tom emmer here right here, and also austin scott voted to certify the election in 2020. So, these are the only two people who said that the election was legit, and it is seen in republican circles as a Knock Iagainst them. Most people at home are hearing tom emmer and thomas scott and thinking, who and who . These are not well known public facing members of congress. That is probably because they have kept their heads down and were not among the more Vocal Election denyers parading around the republican party, and whether or not they have a shot, and this is a huge question, and there is multiple layers here going into it. Yes, there is the policies that these guys represent, and can that get enough votes. Then, theres the consensus, and will they be able to form a consensus not just inside of the republican party, but across the aisle if that is important, and this is not mentioned a lot, but it is important that the republican Speaker Of The House be able to fund raise. And for two people that you probably never heard of, that is going to be a heavy lift. Republicans still want a speaker who can help to raise money for republicans. I am not sure that tom emmer and thomas scott have the name i. D. To do that in the way that Kevin Mccarthy definitely did. Congressman, i am curious, were you in that Conference Room right now, and not so long ago, and we are talking about months, you would have been, would tom emmer someone that you could get behind . Well, it is a good question. Yes, to the extent of knowing what i know now, and if i were in a position to pick one of the candidates running for speaker. One of the thing they would want to guarantee is that he would put ukraine aid on the floor for a vote. That is important. He did vote to certify the election, but even seeing a tweet from matt gaetz that said, all of the speakers have committed to releasing the january 6th footage. Well, it was released to Tucker Carlson who went quiet after he got it, and he went quiet, so it does not prove to the demands of matt gaetz is being met which is frightening, and the demands are still obsession around january 6th, and the number of them that told liz and i to move on from january 6th, and yet, they are still talking about it. It is amazing to me. So, yeah, i guess that if i were there knowing what i know now, i would vote for tom emmer or someone like austin scott. If they failed to reach the level, i would see myself being one of the crazy eight that would refuse to vote for anybody else, because i could not imagine voting for one of the people running for the second in line to be president of the United States still refusing to tell the American People the truth which is donald trump lost. He may have gotten a lot of votes, but joe biden got a whole lot more. Again, a connection to what is happening in washington, and what is happening in a Fulton County courtroom going on right now, where jenna ellis, and i will circle her, because she entered into a plea deal, and one of the things that she said in allocution, s. E. , if she knew then what she knows now, she would not have represented donald trump, and to hear from one of the most vocal supporters and this is an u understatement, and to hear someone like jenna ellis hear that now. Well, this is probably on the advice of counsel, and she also says that she trusted much older and more seasoned lawyers and she made a point to say that she was surrounded by other lawyers at the time. I dont know. It is hard, because we all saw the bravado of jenna ellis for so long standing up and sticking by the story and defending donald trump, and in recent months she has turned the other direction, but it is a stark contrast to what we saw today that emotional allocution, and basically saying they shouldnt have done this, and i wish i had known better, and it is hard to square that with again the bravado that we have seen from her and others for so long. The bravado that giuliani still has. Right, and he is insisting that he is innocent, and everyone else is corrupt. Everyone but him. So, you know, i dont know. I dont trust a lot of these folk, because there was so much wil willingness on their part to defend donald trump and lie to the American People, and it is hard to imagine their sudden regret. Adam kinzinger and s. E. Cupp, thank you for helping us to understand it all. We also have new developments out of israel. Much more after this quick break. To duckduckgo on all your Devie Duckduckgo comes wit

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