♪ ♪ next stage. israel now escalating its gaza air strikes ahead of a likely invasion as fears grow, the region could be drawn into the conflict. what is israel's lplan. >> i caution israel not to be blinded by rage. >> chairman mike turner joins me and lifeline, more humanitarian trucks poised to enter gaza carrying desperately needed food, water and medical supplies. >> these trucks are not just trucks. they are a lifeline. >> but as israel preps for the ground war, are conditions about to get much worse? >> plus, at odds. with future u.s. aid to israel on the line, house republicans are back to square one in their speaker search fiasco. >> we are in a bad place as a party. >> can anyone unite the conference in former republican congresswoman liz cheney is here for her first media interview in more than a year. ♪ ♪ ♪ hello. i'm jake tapper in washington where the state of our union is breathing so much pain and loss of life. this morning the israeli military says it is stepping up its air strikes against hamas in gaza and the idf hit a mosque in the west bank to prevent what it called an imminent terror attack all as we learned more unimaginable details about the brutality of the hamas terrorist attack on israeli civilians on october 7th. now with anticipation of a ground war building, the human devastation in gaza is coming into clearer focus. disturbing new video shows a hospital in the central gaza district overwhelmed with bodies following overnight air strikes. just now more air strikes are beginning to be allowed to enter gaza through egypt's rafah crossing though not clear how many or what they were carrying and the first aid trucks were let in yesterday as the u.s. warned more civilian lives in gaza are being pushed to the edge of catastrophe and as anger grows there are new signs of concern about thisses escalati being a regional war and the u.s. deploying systems in response to escalations around the region. secretary of state antony blinken held a cal with his qatari counterpart to get hurricane hostages released after two american hostages were released by hamas and are making their way home. what hamas got in exchange for those two hostages has not been disclosed. joining me now from northern israel is cnn's matthew chance. when it comes to fears of this war spreading to becoming a larger regional conflict israel says it is evacuating even more communities near where you are. >> that's right. i'm in the northern town which has already been evacuated. the authorities are sending busses who couldn't get out by their own vehicles and towns and villages all around the north of israel close to the lebanese and syrian border, as well they've all been cleared out. we are talking about hundreds of thousands of people both here and in communities in the south were evacuated because of the attacks last week in gaza who have now been displaced because of this ongoing violence in the country. the situation here in the north is particularly of concern because the israeli military says there's been an upsurge in attacks bile hezbollah forces in the past several days and rocket strikes and anti-tank weapons and infiltrations of militant fighters that have been repulsed as well, and all of this, the israeli military says they've responded to and they've carried out an increased number of attacks inside southern lebanon and they have warned lebanon and hezbollah, as well that it will press further, that it will launch enormous strikes on hezbollah and indeed on lebanon if that escalation continues. one idf spokesperson saying that hezbollah is playing a dangerous game and dragging lebanon into a war that it will lose. there is a lot of concern about what lebanon and hezbollah are doing and an absolute commitment from the israelis to strike back hard if that escalation continue, jake. >> we've seen israeli troops at times building up on the border with gaza. do we know anything about any sort of time line for an israeli ground incursion into gaza? >> no. obviously, we are all very nervous and tense watching when that move will be made across that frontier into gaza. the israelis say they've been stepping up air strikes and they intend to do that and put more pressure on hamas and the objective remains the same, they say, which is to -- in other words, destroy hamas and dismantle the military infrastructure, but in terms of where the actual green light for a land invasion will be put on, we don't know yet. there is a possibility although this isn't an official position at this point and there is a possibility that israel may be waiting to see what further results the talks between the united states and qatar and hamas may yield in terms of more hostage negotiations and more hostage releases. already two u.s. citizens held by hamas have been released and the hope that more freedom can be brokered and that's not the israeli position. they say they will choose the exact time and moment when it is best suited for a military incursion for the green light. jake? >> joining me now for her first media interview in more than a year, former republican congresswoman, liz cheney and she was number one republican in the house. it's good to have you. >> thank you. >> gaza city is very densely populated and hamas embeds itself within the population. do you think it's wise for israel to stage a ground incursion strategically and do you think israel's been doing enough to prevent the loss of innocent life? we know hamas embeds itself within the population and that's what they do. they're a terrorist organization, but is it smart for israel? >> look, number one, people need to recognize number one what's happening in terms of the conditions in gaza is the responsibility of hamas. the reason that people in gaza are facing the situation they're facing, hamas has been in charge in gaza since 2006 at least. so israel -- we have moved so quickly beyond the focus on the devastation of the terrorist attack, the absolute barbaric slaughter of men, women and children and the stories that we continue to see come out of babies, you know, tied up with wire and murdered brutally and people tortured in front of their children. the fact that people have moved on from that is really wrong and israel on. >> just fyi, we have not and we continue to tell the stories on cnn. >> i think it's very important. what we have seen, though, around the world and frankly before israel began any kind of a response in gaza we saw this -- this massive expansion and explosion of demonstrations around the world, anti-semitic, anti-israel. here in the united states on our university campuses is outrageous, it's dangerous and needs to stop and israel must take whatever action it needs to take to defend themselves and the u.s. should not tell them to slow down and they have to defeat hamas. >> in terms of advising a country that is an ally, a lot of people are drawing parallels to 9/11 although proportionately this was worse. this is the same as killing 40,000 people in israel as opposed to 3,000 on 9/11. on 9/11 your father was vice president and take a look at what president biden said in israel this week. >> i caution this while you feel that rage, don't be consumed by it. after 9/11 we were enraged in the united states. while we sought justice and got justice, we also made mistakes. >> given the goal of not just defeating hamas, but a long-term goal of israel living in peace, of a two-state solution, if that's even a serious proposition anymore, what lessons do you think we have learned as a country that we could tell israel, that we could share with israel. >> well, look, i think probably the biggest mistake that we made post-9/11 was president biden's decision to withdraw from afghanistan the way that he did. i think the biggest lesson that we've learned and frankly, after 9/11 the fact that the steps we took for over 20 years now have prevented another mass casualty terrorist attack at the hands of islamic terrorists is something that we all ought to be very clear about and we ought to remember. the lesson that we learned and the lesson that we need to apply here is first of all, these -- these conflicts are connected. iran absolutely is behind what's happening with respect to hamas, with respect to hezbollah. some of the hamas terrorists, they found iranian munitions, north korean munitions in their kit. the hamas leadership itself has talked about their ties and relationship with russia. we've got an -- we've got adversaries against us who only understand strength and who only understand that, you know, that weakness to them, frankly is provocative, and if they think that we're weak and if they think we're going to lose our resolve, they will, in fact, be strengthened and the lesson that we need to learn here is iran needs to recognize if they do come in then they will face very severe consequences from israel, from us, but the forces of freedom are at war with the forces of tyranny and terrorism around the world and america has got to lead. i thought that part of president biden's speech in the oval office is good. i think that those themes of the indispensable nature of america and the battle for freedom globally that's exactly right and what we need to be saying. the administration needs to make changes with respect to the iran policy. we saw just last week the sanctions venting iran with the missile technology laxed and the administration didn't take steps to stop that. we need to enforce the sanctions with respect to the network and there are a whole list of things we need to do and in my view the lesson from the post-9/11 era is that american strength is what matters and what will keep us safe and israeli strength is something that we ought to be supporting and advocating for. >> the attack was october 7th, the saturday. i think it was wednesday that donald trump gave a speech in which he insulted benjamin netanyahu, said the attacks wouldn't have happened if he had been president, saying that netanyahu let him down. he said it had something to do with the strike against suleimani, but people interpreted because netanyahu congratulated netanyahu after biden won the presidency and insulted the defense minister and called him a jerk. praised hezbollah as smart. what was your reaction to that and did it surprise you that trump could say all of that about the prime minister while they were still burying the dead after the october 7th terrorist attack and it didn't have any impact on republican voters or what republican lawmakers on capitol hill said about donald trump? >> they were appalling comments, and you know, you're absolutely right that there should have been a response. i think every republican member of congress ought to be asked about those comments and he reportedly shared i israeli intelligence with the russians very early in his term. he also, as we know now from the indictments that we've seen from jack smith, shared highly classified military documents apparently relating to a, you know, military action potentially against iran. he shared that with mark meadows' ghost writers and political consultants it seems according to the indictments. so if you think about not only is he out there advocating for, complimenting america's adversaries and terrorist organizations that slaughter innocents, he also seems to have shared very highly classified intelligence information with adversaries. it's simply the latest example of why donald trump is not fit to be president of the united states. >> who do you think is providing better leadership on the international stage biden or trump? certainly biden. >> president biden pushed for more aid to ukraine and i want you to listen to what a senator had to say about the package that biden is pushing. >> whatever your view, sean, on ukraine, it is a separate country in a separate problem. i think what the president did is completely disgraceful. if he wants to sell the american people on 60 billion more to ukraine he shouldn't use dead israeli children to do it. it was disgusting. >> your response? >> look, what j.d. vance is saying is completely wrong, ignorant, uninformed. as i said before, america is facing four adversaries right now and major adversaries in china, russia, north korea and iran, and what happens with respect to our willingness to defend ukraine has a direct impact on all of those other challenges and conflicts we face and the idea that we are now in a situation where you've got this growing movement on the part of republicans not to support american aid to ukraine is dangerous. it's wrong. anybody who is today saying they don't support aid to ukraine needs to be asked and frankly, i hope they will be asked in the candidate forum tomorrow night for speaker, why in the world would you be engaged in surrendering to america's adversaries because that's what that is. if you do not support aid to ukraine given the global atmosphere and the con ntext in which we are living you are in fact, helping america's adversaries and demonstrating weakness at a moment when you should be showing is strength. it's ill informed. >> congresswoman cheney, we'll ask you about the candidates for speaker. we'll be back after this short break. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ president, i'm so glad you're here. you endorsed me and then you just kind of disappeared. >> yeah, well, that's because i prefer the jordans who win, okay? >> welcome back to "state of the union." i'm jake tapper. the house of representatives are more specifically the republicans in the house of representatives are no closer to finding a speaker than they were two weeks ago. so with billions of aid for ukraine and israel on the table waiting for their consideration, with americans literally dying, house republicans did what your boss would no doubt let you do if you were way behind on crucial projects. they took the weekend off. with at least seven members now saying they'll put their names forward, the speaker of the conference will reconvene tomorrow night with the speaker candidate forum with a possible vote on tuesday. back with me now is former res republican congresswoman liz cheney. what has it been like to watch this fiasco play out over the last few weeks? >> it's hard to describe. i wish that it were surprising. you know, what we've seen is a result of really the leadership decisions that kevin mccarthy made all of the way back after the 2020 election and certainly after january 6th and you know, looking the other way in the face of the kind of assault on our democracy that we've seen from donald trump and his allies in the house including jim jordan, elevating those members, frankly, some of whom are white supremacists and some of whom are anti-semitic, a number of whom were involved directly in the attempt to seize power and overturn the election. so it's not a surprise when you see that those people have been empowered -- >> mccarthy women nowered them, right? >> exactly. exactly, in order to obtain the votes he needed to become speaker and i also have been watching the extent to which political violence and the threats of violence have now reared their head once again. those have become part of our politics in a way that certainly they never should. i talked to one of my former colleagues who was in the meeting with jordan, and the holdouts a few days ago, and he told me that when some of the members who were receiving these threats of violence raised it and asked jordan about it, that another one of our colleagues representative davidson, also from ohio said essentially, it's not jim jordan's fault. it's your fault because you're voting against jim jordan. that kind of acceptance of violence is completely inappropriate and dangerous in our politics. so i, you know, we need people who are serious and who recognize and understand the dangers that we're facing globally as well as from donald trump and those who support him. >> it used to be that that kind of -- it's called terrorism, the idea of people demonizing their enemies and not specifically -- not specifically calling for violence against their enemies and demon ieizing them in such way and who will come and threaten them and that was frowned upon and discouraged in politics. do you trace it back to donald trump? when did it become an acceptable part of republican politics? >> i think you would have to trace it back in its modern version to donald trump. we now know, frankly, because of the lie. we know that the lie about the election, we know that telling people that they have to, you know, use violence in order to take back their country, we know that that lie was very effective in sparking violence and it hasn't stopped. i mean, one of the issues that i, again, i hope will come up at the speaker's forum tomorrow night is the question tim buck keeps asking, do you understand, do you accept that donald trump lost the election in 2020? and do you understand and recognize the connection between continuing that lie and the political violence that we've seen unleashed across the country. >> and a bunch of the candidates for speaker, hearn, mike johnson, jack burgum voted to reject the results and to disenfranchise millions of americans based on those lies, is that disqualifying? >> certainly. i think there's no question, and i think it tells you over 140 members of the house republican conference voted to object and voted to object after the violence. >> after people were dead. after bodies were lying dead in the capitol. >> after -- and after the mob that donald trump provoked had invaded. so it certainly should be a disqualification, and i think if it isn't a disqualification it will send a very clear message, yet one more clear message to voters as they think about who they'll vote for in 2024 to what extent can you trust this group of republicans to defend the constitution, you know, if they're unwilling to even acknowledge the rulings of the courts as well as the constitutional process that unfolded and the complete lack of evidence as well as all of the testimony that we put on in our hearings in the january 6th committee from the leadership of donald trump's own campaign, from the leaders of his white house counsel's office and the department of justice making clear he did not win the election and he knew he didn't win the election. >> i guess congressman tom emmer is the majority whip. he did not vote that way, but i feel like it's almost disqualifying among house republicans to be reality based. >> well, that's been my personal experience, so, i don't want to hesitate to endorse anybody because i think that won't be helpful for them. >> listen to what you're saying. that's crazy. you are super conservative. you are more conservative than almost any of the house leadership. you are more conservative than the woman who replaced you, elise stefanik. you're just not nuts. you're just not anti-democracy. >> well, i think that really is a testament to where we are as a country today, and we have to have a party that gets back to advocating those conservative policies and gets back to embracing the constitution. that is not what the republican party is doing today. >> it's just -- do you ever just, like, stop and think about the world that we're in right now where a majority of republican voters and the majority of house republicans just think the moon is made of green cheese? i mean -- i don't even -- >> i do, certainly, and i've spent the last almost year now working on a book. it's going to be out in the beginning of december that really looks at these issues and tells a story of the evolution of the republican congress as we walk through the period of how do people accept behavior they never would have accepted before and it's a cautionary tale because it happened very easily that people said we're going to go with trump instead of the constitution. >> what do you think it said about jim jim jordan and what do you think it says about house republicans that in his last public ballot, 25 house republicans voted against him, but then in the secret ballot a few minutes later more than a hundred republicans voted against him majority. >> right. right. first of all, i'm very glad that they decided. if it took a secret ballot to send a very clear message that jim jordan can't be the speaker of the house, i'm glad they did that, but i do think that, you know, if we're going to be able to get back to a place in this country where we actually have people who are advocating for the constitution in both parties, then we're going to need people to, you know, have some more courage than my former colleagues are showing right now, and be willing to say, no, i won't accept this. i won't stand for it. when you have to stand up and say so and put your name next to that vote because this notion of the secret ballot being the only time that you can go against donald trump helps to strengthen donald trump. >> so former trump lawyer sydney powell and kenneth chesebro just struck plea deals and both have agreed -- >> trump helps to strengthen donald trump. >> sydney powell and kenneth chesebro just struck plea deals in fulton county and both have agreed to testify in future trials. based on your investigations as vice chair investigating january 6th, do you think they have information that have bigger consequences of people up the food chain including donald trump? ? certainly. i think there's no question. i think in both cases, i mean, we know, for example that sydney powell was in key meetings at the white house including one where donald trump may well have signed invoking the insurrection act with mike flinn in the room who advocated seizing voting machines. we know that kenneth chesebro was directly involved in the fake elector scheme. >> it was his scheme, i think. >> well, he certainly helped to put it in place, but at the end of the day donald trump oversaw everything. >> right. >> and that scheme of presenting false electors to the united states congress in order to seize power to overturn an election to try to convince mike pence to take unlawful and unconstitutional action absolutely, directly touches donald trump. >> and new york state judge fined donald trump $5,000 for violating the gag order and possibly imprisoning him, to be clear $5,000 is pocket change for donald trump, but this is about donald trump smearing one of his clerks falsely accusing the clerk of having an affair with chuck schumer. there's literally no evidence of this. you know what it's like to be at the end of a donald trump smear and now some house republicans other than you, and kinzinger know what it's like to get death threats. do there need to be more serious consequences for donald trump when it comeses to this kind of thing. >> almost without exception, almost without exception, the judiciary has been a stalwart in terms of recognizing and understanding the threat to the republic that's posed by donald trump's past behavior by what he did leading up to january 6th and frankly, what he's continued to do, and so i think that it's really important that people recognize the efforts that he's putting to try to tear down every institution of our democracy, and i think that we have -- we all need to be very clear about the extent to which the judges and the justices in this country, and again, as i said, almost without exception whether they've been appointed by democratic presidents and republican presidents have a very clear understanding of the danger here and a very clear understanding and dedication to the rule of law, and as a nation, we all ought to be very grateful for that, and we ought to reject the kind of attacks that we are seeing, obviously launched by donald trump and also the kind of lies coming out of jim jordan and some other house republicans, the notion that the entire judiciary system or the fbi has weaponized against us, and i would urge that people think about as we look at the threats globally, the notion that we've got republicans saying we're going to defund the fbi, we're going to defund the republic of justice, jim jordan hwill undermine what what's kept us safe since 9/11. >> it's not just donald trump, it's fox, an entire right-wing ecosystem that is amplifying these lies and donald trump is likely to be the next republican presidential nominee, and he has a decent shot at being elected the next president. i mean, it could happen. what would a second donald trump term look like? >> well, he cannot be the next president because if he is all of the things that he attempted to do, but was stopped by doing by responsible people at the department of justice and the white house counsel's office he will do. there will be no guardrails and everyone has been warned. after january 6th, after our investigation, after all of the evidence that we laid out about all of the steps in his multi-part plan to overturn the election, there can be no question that he will unravel the institutions of our democracy. so we are -- we are facing a moment in american politics where we have to set aside partisanship and we have to make sure that people who believe in the constitution are willing to come together to prevent him from ever again setting foot anywhere near the oval office. >> but if it came down to it, even though you disagree with joe biden on almost every issue under the sun other than maybe ukraine and israel, would you vote for him over donald trump? >> we will see what happens. we will see how things unfold. i think donald trump is the single most dangerous threat we face. i would imagine there would be a number of candidates in the race. >> would you be one of them? >> i'll tell you what i will definitely do, i will spend the next year within now and the election helping to elect serious people, helping to elect sane people. >> of both parties? >> yes because i think that we could well find ours in a situation given what we know what the trump folks are doing in terms of attempting to question the results of the election. we don't want a situation where the election is thrown into the house of representatives and donald trump has any possibility at all of prevailing under those circumstances. so we've got to elect people who believe in the constitution and who take their responsibilities seriously to congress and i'll spend a lot of time doing that in addition to other things. >> you're not ruling out a presidential run? >> no, i'm not. >> we'll see you when your book comes out? >> congresswoman cheney, i appreciate your time. >> coming up, in, breaking news about the white house, and the house collect committee on intelligence will join me live next. the power goes out and we still have wifi to do our homework. and that's a good thing? great in my book! who are you? no power? no problem. introducing storm-ready wifi. now you can stay reliably connected through power outages with unlimited cellular data and up to 4 hours of battery back-up to keep you online. only from xfinity. home of the xfinity 10g network. ♪ ♪ welcome back to "state of the union." i'm jake tapper. we have breaking news for you now. the biden administration is asking israel to delay its ground incursion into gaza, that's according to two sources briefed on discussions who say that the delay would potentially allow for both more negotiations over the hostages that hamas took on october 7th and also would allow for more aid to be allowed and they'll be delivered to innocent civilians in gaza. friday's release of two american hostages, judith and natalie raanan from outside chicago signaled the negotiators believe they could make progress on freeing some of the more than 200 hostages believed to be currently held by hamas. joining me now to discuss is the chairman of the house select committee on intelligence. congressman mike turner of ohio. congressman, thank you so much for joining us. two american hostages were released by hamas. this is obviously, a brutal terrorist group. they didn't release the hostages out of the goodness of their hearts or for humanitarian reasons. so why did they release the hostages? what did they get in exchange? >> certainly, they continue to have ney gosch gotiations and w are aware of is hamas is a franchise of iran, the brutal terrorist attacks that have occurred in israel are going to result in israel entering into gaza and in taking this conflict to hamas itself in order to diminish their ability to continue to threaten israel. as we see that unfold, certainly getting humanitarian aid is important and getting hostages back are important and the opportunities that those break, certainly, they need to be pursued, but the united states should not be dictating to israel the prosecution of this conflict. they certainly are on the ground. they know the risks and they know the consequences and certainly the united states supports their efforts to diminish this terrorist threat. >> how involved were american officials in securing the release of these two american hostages and are you optimistic more hostages might be released. do you know how many more americans are currently being held hostage in gaza by hamas? >> no. i would certainly say that hamas needs to release all hostages and certainly all american hostages. there are some reports that have been public that perhaps all of the hamas leadership was not aware of the brutal terrorist attack that was going to occur into israel that there may be some surprise in leadership of hamas that they now find themselves with tanks on their borders and a conflict going to ensue, and they may see that these hostages are an important opportunity to return them back to israel and the united states so that they can get out of the way and hopefully address this issue of how will they move from a terrorist organization to an area where there can be peace. >> you're a member of the gang of eight and you get to see the top classified intelligence. who is responsible for the explosion at the baptist hospital in gaza tuesday which the palestinian health ministry which is, obviously, controlled by hamas blamed on the israelis, but u.s. intelligence seems to have concluded it was -- it was actually more likely to have been caused by palestinian islamic jihad. who is responsible according to the evidence you've seen and how conclusive is that intelligence? >> my counterpart ranking member jim hines from connecticut, the two of us relieved a briefing that included not just the conclusions, but the assessment and what was the process undertaken in order to determine that this was not the fault of israel? and both of us concluded, in fact, we released a statement that we concur with the administration's conclusion that this was not a result of israeli action. >> there are -- there is a democratic member of congress who is out there still blaming it on israel, and i've heard some members say that she should be briefed, and i'm wondering, is there an intelligence briefing being offered to members of congress so that everyone could be informed as to what the latest information is? >> sure. the administration has done a good job pulling together the leadership in the house and we've been to the meeting with jake sullivan and the national security council and getting their information and getting a briefing directly from him plus all of the house of representatives were called into a briefing where we both had the office of director of national intelligence and the department of defense. there's been a trem end amount to get information to congress, especially as the administration moves to get an aid package moved forward for the conflicts in ukraine and israel. >> base adwhd on what you know, you think israel is doing enough to protect civilians in gaza. i'm sure you've heard israeli leadership say that palestinians are victims of hamas, as well. >> and then they are. there's no question. there was an election in which hamas, you know, came to power in gaza and then suspended all elections and certainly the people in gaza are captive to them, and they're certainly a brutal terrorist organization that is ruling that area, and i do think that the people in the palestinians in gaza are victims of them, as well. israel has done a great deal of effort to try to get people to move out of the way as they go in to try to remove hamas and its ability to execute terrorist acts. this will be very difficult. i do think that the united states is working on both the intelligence side and strategy side with israel to try to determine ways to increase the security of palestinians in the area who are not involved in hamas, but this is obviously going to be very, very difficult and it goes both to the security and safety of the palestinians and the israelis that hamas be removed. >> president biden just announced $105 billion aid package for israel, ukraine, taiwan and the southern border and the legislative branch can't do anything until house republicans pick a speaker. a, do you support the package? b, at what point does the dysfunction of the house republicans jeopardize national security? >> right. i do support the package. i think it's incredibly important to move forward that we stand up against the authoritarian regimes that are trying to undermine democracies that are allies and we should be more focused on russia to be a threat on the united states than we have been because this isn't just an issue of ukraine or not ukraine. russia is an adversary and they intend to do us and others harm. this is with great clarity that we have seen and have been saddened by the atrocities that we have seen and the need for addressing the issue of hamas. with respect to the national security clearly having a house that's not functioning is certainly a security threat for our country, and this aid package is not being delayed as a result of the house. at this point the senate has taken up this aid package and it's two weeks before that package comes out of the senate itself and certainly we all hope we'll have a speaker by then. >> there are seven candidates so far for speaker. is there one that you particularly are leaning towards and do you think that that person can get 217 votes? >> getting 217 is obviously going to be very difficult and is the sort of rubik's cube of the answer to all of this. i supported kevin mccarthy. i supported jim jordan. i supported scalise and jim on the floor also and i hope we find someone who can get to 217 who are poised and drama fashioned on the house floor trying to determine how this will unfold. i hope in the next several days as we come together as a republican caucus that we are able to resolve that so that we go unified to the house floor and deliver a speaker. >> i hope you don't take this personally, but do you guys have any idea how clownish you look? >> you know, jake, i'm very fond of saying that congress is a lot like high school, but even more so. hopefully we'll get past this, and i certainly have been part of the governing majority and i'm going to stay part of that and look forward to those who are on the front just hopefully coming together so that we can get a speaker. >> i said that to congressman willmack and he said that's an insult to high school students and more like junior high. >> congressman turner, good to see you. i hope you pick a speaker some time soon. >> great. thanks, jake. coming up next, will the lessons u.s. learned after 9/11 guide israel's future response to hamas. we'll take a look at those lessons next. from chrome to duckduckgo. duckduckgo is a browser you download to your mobile and desktop devices. unlike chrome, the duckduckgo browser has privacy built-in. it comes with a private alternative to google search, which doesn■t spy on your searches, and it blocks cookies and creepy ads. and there's no catch. it's free. we make money from ads, but they don't follow you around. join the millions of people taking back their privacy by downloading duckduckgo on mobile and desktop today. as israel prepares for a ground war, the biden administration has been trying to caution the netanyahu government to think strategically and not out of the understandably ferocious anger that israelis are feeling. >> i caution this while you feel that rage, don't be consumed by it. after 9/11 we were enraged in the united states. while we sought justice and got justice we also made mistakes. >> what were some of those mistakes? well, just to name one, during the war on terror, u.s. service members killing iraqi and afghan civilians for whatever reason, accident, negligence, the luxury of superior munitions, that makes creating a sustainable peace far more difficult because civilian deaths often creates even more enemies. in 2021 i gathered most of the commanders of the war in afghanistan and asked each one what they might do differently if they could. >> right after the 9/11 attacks i would have made a decision inside the u.s. government to do nothing substantive for a year. what i mean by nothing, no bombing, no strike, et cetera. i would have gone around the world as the aggrieved party and built up a firm coalition for what to do about al qaeda. i would have done a mass effort to train americans in arabic, pasttu, dari to get ready to do something that we knew would be very, very difficult. >> it is difficult to tell another country to take their time before making any major military moves after such an atrocity has taken place, but wise counsel is to think very strategically about what comes next because it is so difficult to know. remember that scene in the movie "charlie wilson's war"? the u.s. helped the mujahadin defeat, and cia agent gus warns congressman wilson to be humble because one never knows what comes next. >> when i was a little boy, on his 14th birthday gets a horse and everyone says how wonderful the boy gets a horse. he says we'll see. he falls, breaks his leg and the village says how terrible and the master says we'll see and a war breaks out and the young men have to go out and fight except the boy can't because his leg is mess up and everyone middle how wonderful. >> and the master says we'll see. >> of course, we know now some of those mujahadin abandoned by the u.s. became al qaeda. after the u.s. left iraq, isis emerged. after the u.s. left afghanistan, the taliban picked up, where it left off, surely the israeli government's desire, its goal to detro destroy hamas is understandable, are they doing it the right way? is there a coherent strategy for what will fill the vacuum, for what will bring peace to gaza, to the west bank and israel and the long game? is what's happening now under the same leadership of israel that was in charge on october 7th, before we go, so many of you have been watching our coverage have expressed the desire to help with humanitarian relief efforts for the innocent people of israel and in gaza. cnn has been compiling resources and you can head to cnn.com/impact to find a list of vetted organizations on the ground who are responding. that is cnn.com/impact. if thank you for spending your sunday morning with us. the news continues next.