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Has updated its list of vetted organizations that you can trust. Go to cnn. Com impact, or text relief to 707070 to donate. So grateful to those who reached out. Thank you for joining us on this incredibly busy week. Cnn newsnight with abby phillip starts right now. In just moments, israels 24hour deadline expires for civilians to evacuate ahead of a possible Ground Invasion of Northern Gaza. And the anger and panic there is intensifying tonight. Civilians who are in the line of fire have nowhere to go. Im abby phillip. This is newsnight. Im actually terrified. Im trying not to show it. I dont even know if im going to live through the next minute. Translator new years no water for us to drink, no water for us to wash ourselves with so that we can pray. They bombed our schools. Many people have been killed. Its not fair for children like us. Why is this happening to us . Hamas, which launched the horrific attacks that began this conflict, is telling civilians to ignore the Evacuation Warnings and stay put. The u. N. Says tonight that it is warning israel that this deadline will have devastating and deadly consequences. When President Biden was asked what hes worried about in a potential ground war with one word he responded, death. In the meantime, israeli troops have now entered gaza. Theyre carrying out targeted raids in the race to save what could be over 100 hostages. I say were going to do everything in our power to find them. Everything in our power. And im not going to go into the detail of that. But were working like hell on it. Because i think they have to know that the president of the United States of america cares deeply about whats happening. Deeply. And to communicate to the world, this is critical. This is not even human behavior, its pure barbarism. Lets begin with Cnns Anderson Cooper in tel aviv. Anderson, we are Just Moments Away now from this deadline that was about 24 hours for the people of Northern Gaza to evacuate. Do you have any sense of what we can expect once it expires, and if that warning has actually been heeded . Its a good question. In terms of what to expect, look, its clear the movement here in israel is toward some sort of Military Operation, in all likelihood some sort of Ground Operation with 300,000 Reservists Plus who have been mobilized and are on that border, Artillery Placements in place, the bombardments we have been seeing. If that means imminent, in the next hours, nobody knows. Theres no indication one way or the other. We have seen people moving in gaza, but there have been difficulties with that. There have been large traffic jams. You have hamas telling people not to move. There are concerns about what would await them in the south. Are there facilities there for them . It doesnt seem like theres anything set up. Certainly hamas is not cooperative in trying to help civilians get out of the most dangerous part, the northern part of gaza. It seems very unlikely they have set up anything for any kind of civilian even tents or any kind of infrastructure. Obviously hamas is focused on the fight and launching this terror attack, and hamas has tunnels underground where they can hide and they can move weapons. The civilians are pretty much left to their own devices. There is untold suffering among the civilian population. Weve seen the hospitals. We know the condition of whats going on there. And youve heard from the u. N. And other humanitarian organizations which say moving that amount of people in 24 hours is impossible. We have certainly seen in other conflicts ive been in places where hundreds of thousands of people have moved in very short order in order to run for their lives and save themselves. But it remains to be seen how many people have actually heeded that warning and what will happen over the next 24, 48 hours. Yeah, and of course, its really the most vulnerable who may not be able to move. One of the concerns of these ngo groups is about moving these facilities theyre working in, hospitals and such that are provided aid in realtime right now in that part of gaza. Anderson, scanned by for us, if you would. You did today visit this week visit the site of the festival attack. I want to play that for our audience. Its an incredibly powerful piece, and well have it for them in just a few moments. First, i want to go to the ground. I want to turn to someone who is right now fighting on the front lines of this war. Joining me now is idf soldier rudy rockman. Rudy, you are quite literally, as we can see there in your picture, you are called now to duty. What have the last few days been like for you on the ground and where you are in israel, which by the way i should say, we are not specifically naming just for security reasons. Yeah, thank you for having me. I mean, its been almost a week since this started. As a reservist, ive been out of the army over ten years. Im a civilian. Ive done my degrees. I have work, i have family. All of a sudden, on saturday morning, it was sha bat, it was sukkot, it was the holiday for the jewish people. We started seeing videos of what had taken place. Our entire unit got deployed to a village on the border of gaza which has some of the most horrendous massacres. Unfortunately, we were there four days rescuing the remaining civilians that remain. When we got there, it was a massacre. We saw bodies of men, women, children, elderly, cut up into pieces. The most gruesome images you can imagine. It was very unfortunate to see those things, but thankfully we were able to secure the area. Since then, were ready to be deployed to the next location. As you prepare for what this next phase of the war looks like, israeli officials have been pretty clear that the plan right now, the objective, is to wipe out hamas. But i wonder, do you think that that will require street by street fighting . And are you personally prepared for what that would mean . I mean, the entire army has been prepared for this war. Hamas goal from the beginning has been to eliminate the jewish people and eliminate israel. Its actually been in their constitution when they built their government, saying that they need to eliminate the jews, not only in israel, but in the entire world. When you give a terrorist organization like that weapons to go and fulfill their goals, we know what that looks like. Whether its for hamas, the palestinian authority, hezbollah, all these different groups that are actually oppressing its peoples and dont actually represent its peoples. If you speak to palestinians on the ground, whether in the west bank or gaza, they do not like hamas, they do not like the palestinian authority. Theyre on their 20th year of their fouryear term. These are oppressive regimes controlling their people, not only attacking israeli civilians but forcing palestinians to be caught up in this conflict. Israelis do not want to see Israelis Die Or Palestinians die. The majority of us are innocents. This is not a war between the people, the jews are not fighting muslims, the israelis are not fighting palestinians. We are fighting hamas, which are oppressing both israelis and palestinians. We need to look at what is happening and understand why its happening. This started with the west pushing narratives of Dividing Israelis and palestinians. The reality is there is no future without palestinians and without israelis. Neither of us are going to disappear. I hope that when this settles, we can learn from this and transcend this conflict together. Its an important point. I think so many people share your hope that, if there is an end to this, hopefully there is, that its one that is obviously a lot more peaceful. But as we sit her, theres so much concern right now about the 1 million or so palestinians who are being told to flee the northern part of gaza right now. Ive noted that youve observed in the past that hamas uses civilian casualties of palestinians as a propaganda tool. Are you worried that this operation carried out by israel could ultimately play into hamas hands if those civilians are not able to evacuate and many of them end up killed . Absolutely. I dont want to see any civilian killed. For me, youre a foreigner, youre a fellow human being, but for me palestinians are my cousins, theyre my family. I dont want to see palestinians killed. Im glad they have at least 24 hours to be able to evacuate. Israelis had less than 24 seconds to evacuate when being fired on. People in gaza, i hope heck minimize the casualties because none of us want to see anybody dead. We want to remove hamas so it can stop being a threat for israelis and palestinians. In order to transcend this conflict, its not about creating peace only, its about creating justice, both for israelis and palestinians. Theres one land, and one land that we can both live on. But in order to get there, we have to zop these Zero Sum Game Narratives that are educating people that in order to be proisrael, you have to be antipalestinian. In order to be propalestinian, youre antiisrael. If youre anti either, youre anti both. Youve been out of the Israeli Military about ten years. Is there anything in your experience that compares to what youre about to go into, and how long are you expecting this conflict to last . Yes, i got out of the army in 2013. In 2020 there was an operation on the border where we almost went into gaza. Shortly after i finished the army in 2014, the idf went into gaza. This is not something new, unfortunately. I hope this will be the last time this happens. We certainly hope it will be for you and for everyone in the region. Rudy rockman, thank you for joining us. We wish you all the best. For a closer look, im joined by cnn military analyst colonel cedric leighton. Colonel, weve been discussing the issue of the potential refugees that could be made in gaza if they do flee. Talk to us about what evacuation even looks like in gaza right now, about 1 Million People in that part of the territory. Where do they even go . Yeah, thats going to be the real question. And you know, lets take a look at the Evacuation Zone as we know it right now. Because when you see the types of things that can happen here, youve got this area in the north. There are about 1. 1 Million People that are in this area at this point. Whats going to happen, abby, is they are supposed to, according to what the israelis have told them, go down here toward the Rafe Crossing right here at the egyptian border. So their ability to do this kind of thing is going to be limited because they dont have a human karen corridor. Give me a sense of the conditions, both the space up here and how far they would need to travel. Basically, were talking about 25 to 30 miles down this way. Its a very small place. Gaza is about 140 square miles total. Total population about 2. 2 million. So its pretty dense in terms of population. And what theyre going to have to do in a case like this is not only go through these areas, but there are no safe zones in any of these areas. When you go through these areas which are less densely populated than the northern area, there are less services, theres less ability to care for people. If they dont get this crossing open, they wont be able to really stay in this area for a long period of time because its going to be a place where they dont have living facilities, they dont have water, they dont have sanitation. I want to talk about, as the buildup that were seeing of israeli troops around gaza, as you can see, theyre basically surrounding gaza. Then just to show our audience here, these are some pictures of just the heavy machinery that is part of that buildup. When you look at this, someone with a military eye, tell us what youre seeing. What does it tell us about what the israelis are preparing for . This is reminiscent of a scene from dday in 1944 when eisenhower was talking to his paratroopers before they launched that invasion. This is what units do. The Commanding Officer will talk to the units, go out, deploy in forward positions. You see the tanks coming through. Armored personnel coming through. Israelimade, theyve been in Service Since 1979 in the israeli army. Theyve got radio equipment, theyre got their rifles, theyve got ammunition. They are ready to go. These people are welltrained. Theyre ready to go, and they will deploy to forward positions that are right near the gaza border. Obviously this has been a week now of really intense bombing in gaza. I just want to give our audience a sense here of how this compares to another previous conflict that lasted 50 days. Almost the same number of bombs dropped in that time. And the death toll here. Right. Colonel leighton, this is 50 days versus six days. Were almost at the same place. As we go forward what can we realistically expect in terms of the toll this will all take . Im afraid its going to be a very heavy toll. This could be an exceptionally gruesome war. All wars are gruesome, but this one, because of the close quarters, because of the urban combat thats inevitably going to happen through the narrow alleyways of gaza city and other places like that, im afraid that this death toll is going to rise considerably. There are ways to mitigate that. Israel says its trying to do that. The problem is that hamas will use innocent civilians as Human Shields in this scenario. And thats something that has happened in other places, in iraq, in afghanistan. This is the kind of thing we can expect. And unfortunately, if this isnt stopped, were going to see a situation where the forces will meet and theres going to be a major increase in this death toll. Yeah, i think we just have to be cleareyed about what we are facing in this region going forward. Its going to be gruesome, unfortunately. Colonel leighton, we appreciate you joining us on all of that. As this evacuation deadline expires, new detail on this the israeli raids to save those hostages. Plus ill speak with a father whose son is believed to be in gaza as a hostage right now. He spoke today with President Biden. Anderson cooper goes to the site of that Music Festival as we see video of just how horrific the attack by hamas was and how it unfolded there. I since hamas launched its horrific attack in israel. 260 attendees at a Music Festival are among those killed. Today, cnn went inside the Festival Grounds getting a closer look at where these victims spent their final moments. Cnns Anderson Cooper is back with me. Anderson, tell us about your visit to this site. I can only imagine how truly gruesome it really was. Yeah, the attack began 6 30 a. M. Saturday morning. And it began this Music Festival was one of the first sites that came under attack. It is the single largest loss of civilian lives in the terror attacks. Its only now one week later that the full picture of exactly what occurred is becoming clear, through videos and eyewitness accounts. Take a look at what i saw when i went there. Music was playing. The dance floor packed. The rockets began. Just 3. 3 miles from the border with gaza, it didnt take long before hamas gunmen arrived. Some partygoers were able to get to their cars, but many were killed before they could get away. They were waiting here with a machine gun. Rear admiral daniel hagari, a soldier all his life, has never seen anything like it. This is a massacre scene. I dont have any other recall of memory in the history of israel since it was established with this kind of event. The bodies and body parts of the dead have been removed, but peoples possessions are strewn all around. The carnage is clear. Burnedout cars. Bullet holes. Bloodstains on seats. From some cars, the idf has retrieved Dash Cam Videos that show hamas Gunmen Roaming the site for hours, shooting freely. This one shows a bloodied Hostage Being Led away, then under the car you can see another man hiding. He moves slightly, then stops. A gunman runs right up to him and shoots him pointblank in the head or upper body. I dont know how people can explain this. I cannot. I dont have the words to explain it. And then running away on motorcycles with girls to gaza . Fleeing east across open fields was the only way out for many, but they were easy targets. Others sought safety in nearby bomb shelters. This is Dash Cam Video of a hamas Gunman Tossing a grenade into a shelter. When a man runs out, they fire on him repeatedly. In another shelter, a few miles north of the festival site, about 30 people tried to hide. A man named noam cohen recorded inside. You can hear the panic in their voices, asking whats going on, are there really soldiers nearby . We arent going to show you what happened next. Cohen says hamas gunmen repeatedly tossed grenades into the shelter. People inside were blown apart. Its one of the most gruesome videos weve ever seen. This is some of the aftermath. Noam cohen survived, hiding under body parts. Thats him, terrified, but alive. We found the shelter in the town of elamin yesterday evening. Someone had put a curtain up but nothing could hide the smell as you enter. My cameraman, neil hallsworth, whos experienced a lot of war, began to retch and had to step outside. Theres bloody handprints on the wall. Theres blood smeared on the walls. You can see probably these are either bullet holes or from the grenades that were thrown in here. Body parts have already been collected from here, but bloodsoaked clothes and shoes remain. This looks to be a bloody handprint. This shelter is no more than 15 feet long, maybe 5 1 2, 6 feet wide. The idea of so many people packed in here, Standing Shoulder to shoulder, terrified, screaming its incredible that anybody was able to survive. There are other shelters like this. Other tragedies still to be discovered. The full horror of what happened here is just starting to come to light. Weve assembled a full

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