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Reserve duty because of the number of reservists who are going to be called up. Now, a Ground Invasion, a Ground Incursion into gaza will be very difficult to do because this is one of the most densely populated places on the planet. The hamas network has multiple tunnels that go underneath most of the gaza strip. They often hold their weapons and senior officials in sensitive places like mosques and schools and hospitals. When theyre striking locations there, theyre not only going to have to be careful for civilians which unfortunately get caught up in the krcross fire. Theyre going to have to be incredibly aware of their own hostages. Hamas has distributed hostages across locations, essentially using them as Human Shields. And we know u. S. Officials believe americans are also part of the group of hostages. Thank you for that update. More from here next as our special coverage is continuing of israel now formally at war tonight. The power goes out and we still have wifi to do our homework. And thats a good thing . Great in my book who are you . No power . No problem. Introducing stormready wifi. Now you can stay reliably connected through Power Outages with unlimited cellular data and up to 4 hours of battery backup to keep you online. Only from xfinity. Home of the xfinity 10g network. About 35 minutes until sunrise here in telaviv, two days into the worst Military Challenge that israel has faced since the october war which began like this one with a Surprise Attack that left the country shaken but certainly not broken. Certainly it is shaken tonight as Israeli Defense forces say that they have been spending these hours of Darkness Hitting Targets by air, and they say that they have, quote, severely degraded the capabilities of hamas, the idf adding that it has targeted a structure that houses hamas operatives and several of their Operational Command centers. Hamas for its part continues to fire rockets into israel. The latest Barrage Firing on several locations, including ashkelon, where two managed to get through the iron dome. Hamas, also claiming to still be attacking targets within israel and says it took more hostages today, bringing the total it claims to more than 100. Israel has not said how many hostages they believe are being held at this point. Kaitlan, with the idf saying the mission is to completely disarm hamas with the Fighting Force being the first step, all eyes, certainly today would be on what the next move may be. And what that looks like, and, anderson, of course, if we wait to see what israels next step is, i want to bring in cnns sam kiley with a look at how all of this could play out, as israel is retaliating against hamas, what are they potentially face something do you believe that a full scale Ground Invasion of gaza is possible, and even likely here . Well, its certainly possible, and it is highly likely. The problem is it is so fraught with the obvious danger, danger to military personnel, danger to gazas civilians population, and then danger of ignition. And this is precisely what hamas wants to see, ignition of a wider conflict, perhaps seeing an uprising on the west bank, an uprising involving israels palestinian, ethnic palestinian population, and then potentially some kind of attack emanating from Southern Lebanon from hezbollah. Not all of those things are certain. But they are much, much more likely the more violence is unleashed by israel in pursuit of not only revenge, but of the rescue of, as you rightly point out, not just 100 or plus hostages that hamas claims to have, but the 30 plus that the Palestinian Islamic jihad has, both of the movements backed by iran, and then the critical issue is what will the iaranian do or what will israel do if they see the finger prints of teheran all over the planning for these ongoing atrocities, according to hamas, that are still being unleashed on the state there. Yeah, and on the potential for wider conflict here, i mean, that is a big primary concern from u. S. Officials tonight. They said that to lawmakers when they had an unclassified briefing earlier. You heard President Biden warning others not to take advantage of this situation. I mean, how far does a warning like that go, and what are the primary concerns here . Well, the primary concern for hezbollah will be first of all, the pressure it might come under from iran. Iran is essentially as peter bergen was saying on cnn earlier, its essentially a branch of the Iranian Foreign policy machinery, but at the same time, the hezbollah, which has hundreds of thousands of rockets that could be very very catastrophic for israel, knows that israels response would be absolutely devastating to the whole country, so lebanon is in no fit state to weather any kind of storm, let alone a massive storm of ordinance that the israelis would unleash. They have made that very clear. Thats the worst Case Scenario from both parties perspective. Theres a long way to go before getting to that position because of course youve got to get troops in there. I think probably and hadas was suggesting perhaps this was part of their planning, a large number of troops. The more troops you send in, perhaps the less amount of casualties you risk rironically because you swarm the place and flood it with israeli troops. Then of course youve got to get out, and you cannot kill the idea of resistance against what ha hamas calls the jewish entity. Sam kiley, thank you. Anderson . As we mentioned at the top, hamas is claiming it took more hostages today, and says its forces are still conducting operations in Southern Israel. We cant confirm whether more hostages were confirmed today. Israel has said the Idf Spokesperson told me they are not in full control of the territory along the border, one of the missing, was taken after rushing to the Music Festival to try to save his daughter maya. Earlier tonight, i spoke with marks son, and daughterinlaw, jessica. Let me just say im so sorry were talking under these circumstances. I just want to talk to you about what has happened over the last 39 or so hours. Gilad, your sister, maya, was at the dance where we know some, according to the israeli government, more than 260 people were slaughtered. She escaped, but your dad went looking for her. Can you explain what happened . Yeah, my sister she was like one of like many, like say 2,000, approximately, kids and like young adults that went to the festival in the south near by gaza. There was like a festival there. And she went with her friends to have fun, to party there. Enjoy. And we woke up saturday morning at 6 30 during the bombs, running to the shelter. He understands that shes missing. He tried to reach out. He called her. He tried to communicate. He called her on cell phone and he heard the screams, he heard the shots, he understands something bigger than what we thought. Usually we got we know now to deal with the rockets. We have shelters. We have specific orders and things that we know what to do in situations with rockets. When we started to figure out that hamas crossed the border through the air, through the ocean, through the boarder, the gate itself, my father understood that my little sister going to be kidnapped soon so he decided to take the car and drive south. So your dad, like a lot of, weve heard stories of a lot of dads who got into cars to go and try and find and help their children who were in hiding or at this festival. Your dad, mark, went to try to find your sister, maya, and help her. She had actually found she had escaped from the festival, hidden for several hours, and then got to a Police Station where she stayed, and she ended up being able to make her way home, but your dad now has gone missing. When was the last time you had contact with him . So basically what happened, my dad reached to the south around 8 30. He achieved to the area when its like danger zone. Its a battlefield there. He made it to gaza. And at 8 48, we lost contact. Like the communication with him. I was with my dad on the phone. I called him to see whats going on at the time. And i heard shots, and he tried to say, like, dont shoot, im israeli, dont shoot. And we lost the service. We lost the contact at 8 48. He was nearby Something Like two kilometers away from the festival. During this time on the second line im with my sister, and shes reporting me all the time that they are escaping for their life. Three friends are there. Between the Banana Fields and stuff like that, hiding in bushes, jumping around rocks, hiding in trash, and like trucks and stuff like that. Gilad, at the same time youre talking to your dad on the one hand, and hes, you know, telling you where he is, and then obviously theres some bad situation hes in. Youre also in communication with your sister whos still running and hiding . Yes. Yes. On the secondhand, im speaking with my sister that she is arriving in hiding at some point, at 8 48. I lost communication with my dad, and i understood that he might be kidnapped or dead in this moment, so i tried to leave it on the side, and focus on my sister to bring her back and help her through the phone. Try to guide her with the maps and whatever i can to bring her. And she got lucky. She found out like a Farmer Driving from the fields of the fruits and vegetables to central city, the sound of course of hakim. He rescued to a Police Station. They stay there for at least two hours, and they brought her back to the home. One of her friends dead reached the Police Station to take her home. And at this point how is she doing now . Thats how situation for her. We dont have any i dont think she need to be we tried to make her feel that nothing of this like its her fault, and we all around the mission of trying to track what happened to my father. We try to find people that maybe saw him in the shelter or something in the south. My mission now is to try to get to any screen in the south, everything is trying to reach out to him. Show him a picture of my dad. Maybe he saw him. Well obviously show a picture of your dad, mark. The last communication you had from him was, what, around that 8 48 time . Yeah, 8 48 in the morning yesterday. And since then, we didnt heard from him, and no one that saw him. But today we started we succeed to track his phone after its important to say, the police is really busy in the south, and all of the force thein the south, we decided to contact the company mark works for, and to see if they have any leaders on his phone. It didnt lead us to anything specific. It didnt lead us to a shelter that he might be in that we can check, and the phone still seems to be in the south, his car seems to be in the soiuth. Its all just Question Marks and were looking for answers. Is his phone still pinging or when was the last time you got some sort of location of his phone . We got two locations two his phone, one, two hours after the last contact we have with him. So we find him two miles south from the point he was. And im assuming he tried to walk most tor reach to my siste. He tried to walk to find her in the festival zone, but he figured out that none of the people that stay there at this point. And after that, we got another location. Three or four hours later, that he was on the second side of the zone. So his phone has been on the move. Youre not sure if hes with his phone or you havent actually heard from him. That was the last signal. That was around, like, what, 1 00 on saturday, 1 00 p. M. Or so . 1 00 p. M. On saturday. Thats the last track. This is obviously a very fluid situation. Theres still fighting going on on the ground at border areas. Have you been in contact with israeli authorities . Have they been helpful . Or are they overwhelmed at this moment . I would say that the first hours was very shocking for all of us, and it took some time, but by the first night, the authorities contacted us and we came to the center to give dna samples. That maybe will be combining with some of the dead bodies or injured people that they found, and maybe they can recognize people without their i. D. S or maybe they cannot recognize, you know, for some reasons, so we gave all the information we had, and we have full contact with the israeli authorities. What do you want people to know about your dad . My dad is a fighter. Im sure. Im trying to stay positive. He sure sounds like one. Hes a family guy. He just tried to go save his daughter. Life will go on. I hope with him. We miss him. There are millions of people around the world who are watching whose hearts go out to you and your family and to all of those who are suffering at this hour. Thank you for being with us. Well continue to follow this, and i hope you get word about your dad very soon. Thank you so much for having us. So many families waiting for word on their loved ones. Joining me is israels former ambassador to the united states. Appreciate you being with us tonight. I want to talk big picture in a moment, but just first, for families whose loved ones have been taken hostage, what has israel learned in the past through Hostage Situations about what may happen now with these hostages . Hi, anderson, good morning to you. Well, weve learned that hamas will hold on to these hostages. Some will be killed. Many will be tortured, but generally hamas wants to hold on to these hostages and use them as bargaining chips, to get terrorists out of israeli jails, also to use them as Human Shields, and i think they will be very effective as Human Shields. Theres tremendous pressure on the government from the public to mount a Ground Operation against gaza. Virtually every round of fighting we have with hamas and gaza, there is a type of growing pressure by the public that we dont go back to the status quo of just, you know, waiting on the border, waiting for more rockets to come over, and then theres a cease fire. No, the Israeli Publicments A Ch wants a change now, but it will be a major hitch on israeli decision making. How do you send an army into gaza when hamas are holding as many as 130 israeli hostages . Has something, i mean, have the capabilities of hamas and Islamic Jihad significantly changed . I think, is this a sign that there has been a change in their capabilities . Is it greater support from their backers in iran . What do you think it is that has enabled them to coordinate this kind of an attack from air, from sea, from land . Well, theres some evidence of improvement in their missile technology. And its the ability to evade the Iron Dome System, and the Iron Dome System is not a perfect system. Its only 90 effective but it can be overwhelmed and if youre Firing Thousands of rockets at the same time, no Antiballistic System can completely defend any skies, certainly not israels skies from that type of onslaught. Tactically theres been a great improvement by hamas, and you have to prescribe that improvement to iranian backing. 95 of the rockets that are fired from gaza are made in iran, and the remainder are made by iraniantrained palestinian engineers. Iran is very deeply involved in gaza. Islamic jihad is wholly owned and operated by iran, and hamas is deeply financed and supported by iran, so i think its very reasonable to assume that iran was intimately involved with this, perhaps the revolutionary guards have been involved in this. There are rumors floating around israel, and only rumors that some of the Palestinian T terrorists were hurt speaking farsi. At this point, israels Prime Minister has vowed mighty vengeance for hamass actions. What do you see taking place . I mean, what does that look like . Well, it would be a Ground Incursion. To actually remove hamas, remove its military capabilities, perhaps remove it entirely. Israel right now, and i cannot stress this enough, and you heard this now from this wonderful family of mark that israel now is in a state of shock. Its in a state of mourning. Were all in our bomb shelters. None of us are sleeping, though you have books behind me, this is my house bomb shelters. My kid are in bomb shelters, grand kids are in bomb shelters. Were in deep shock and mourning. There is a sense we must secure order to our borders, we must return these hostages, and we must not return to the status quo that existed before this, and there seems to be no alternative to changing that status quo, other than a large scale Ground Incursion. In previous rounds we have had seem deep incursions, havent gone all the way into gaza, back in 2014, they went several kilometers into gaza. This would be a brutal battle. Were talking about village housetohouse, alley to alley, but all of these houses and alleys are booby trapped and wired and mind. Hamas is prepared for that. As your reporter mentioned earlier, israel has to consider the possibility of a multifront war, thats a real possibility. Its hard to imagine that the head of hezbollah will watch passively while israel invades gaza. Hell trying to be involved. Its unconceivable to me that the west bank will remain passive if israel or other forces enter gaza. Im not sure whether radical forces will remain passive. We may have internal upheaval as well. And israeli Decision Makers have to determine, can we invade gaza and further jeopardize the lives of those hostages who are being used as Human Shields by hamas. They use their own people as Ground Invasion<\/a>, a Ground Incursion<\/a> into gaza will be very difficult to do because this is one of the most densely populated places on the planet. The hamas network has multiple tunnels that go underneath most of the gaza strip. They often hold their weapons and senior officials in sensitive places like mosques and schools and hospitals. When theyre striking locations there, theyre not only going to have to be careful for civilians which unfortunately get caught up in the krcross fire. Theyre going to have to be incredibly aware of their own hostages. Hamas has distributed hostages across locations, essentially using them as Human Shields<\/a>. And we know u. S. Officials believe americans are also part of the group of hostages. Thank you for that update. More from here next as our special coverage is continuing of israel now formally at war tonight. The power goes out and we still have wifi to do our homework. And thats a good thing . Great in my book who are you . No power . No problem. Introducing stormready wifi. Now you can stay reliably connected through Power Outages<\/a> with unlimited cellular data and up to 4 hours of battery backup to keep you online. Only from xfinity. Home of the xfinity 10g network. About 35 minutes until sunrise here in telaviv, two days into the worst Military Challenge<\/a> that israel has faced since the october war which began like this one with a Surprise Attack<\/a> that left the country shaken but certainly not broken. Certainly it is shaken tonight as Israeli Defense<\/a> forces say that they have been spending these hours of Darkness Hitting Targets<\/a> by air, and they say that they have, quote, severely degraded the capabilities of hamas, the idf adding that it has targeted a structure that houses hamas operatives and several of their Operational Command<\/a> centers. Hamas for its part continues to fire rockets into israel. The latest Barrage Firing<\/a> on several locations, including ashkelon, where two managed to get through the iron dome. Hamas, also claiming to still be attacking targets within israel and says it took more hostages today, bringing the total it claims to more than 100. Israel has not said how many hostages they believe are being held at this point. Kaitlan, with the idf saying the mission is to completely disarm hamas with the Fighting Force<\/a> being the first step, all eyes, certainly today would be on what the next move may be. And what that looks like, and, anderson, of course, if we wait to see what israels next step is, i want to bring in cnns sam kiley with a look at how all of this could play out, as israel is retaliating against hamas, what are they potentially face something do you believe that a full scale Ground Invasion<\/a> of gaza is possible, and even likely here . Well, its certainly possible, and it is highly likely. The problem is it is so fraught with the obvious danger, danger to military personnel, danger to gazas civilians population, and then danger of ignition. And this is precisely what hamas wants to see, ignition of a wider conflict, perhaps seeing an uprising on the west bank, an uprising involving israels palestinian, ethnic palestinian population, and then potentially some kind of attack emanating from Southern Lebanon<\/a> from hezbollah. Not all of those things are certain. But they are much, much more likely the more violence is unleashed by israel in pursuit of not only revenge, but of the rescue of, as you rightly point out, not just 100 or plus hostages that hamas claims to have, but the 30 plus that the Palestinian Islamic<\/a> jihad has, both of the movements backed by iran, and then the critical issue is what will the iaranian do or what will israel do if they see the finger prints of teheran all over the planning for these ongoing atrocities, according to hamas, that are still being unleashed on the state there. Yeah, and on the potential for wider conflict here, i mean, that is a big primary concern from u. S. Officials tonight. They said that to lawmakers when they had an unclassified briefing earlier. You heard President Biden<\/a> warning others not to take advantage of this situation. I mean, how far does a warning like that go, and what are the primary concerns here . Well, the primary concern for hezbollah will be first of all, the pressure it might come under from iran. Iran is essentially as peter bergen was saying on cnn earlier, its essentially a branch of the Iranian Foreign<\/a> policy machinery, but at the same time, the hezbollah, which has hundreds of thousands of rockets that could be very very catastrophic for israel, knows that israels response would be absolutely devastating to the whole country, so lebanon is in no fit state to weather any kind of storm, let alone a massive storm of ordinance that the israelis would unleash. They have made that very clear. Thats the worst Case Scenario<\/a> from both parties perspective. Theres a long way to go before getting to that position because of course youve got to get troops in there. I think probably and hadas was suggesting perhaps this was part of their planning, a large number of troops. The more troops you send in, perhaps the less amount of casualties you risk rironically because you swarm the place and flood it with israeli troops. Then of course youve got to get out, and you cannot kill the idea of resistance against what ha hamas calls the jewish entity. Sam kiley, thank you. Anderson . As we mentioned at the top, hamas is claiming it took more hostages today, and says its forces are still conducting operations in Southern Israel<\/a>. We cant confirm whether more hostages were confirmed today. Israel has said the Idf Spokesperson<\/a> told me they are not in full control of the territory along the border, one of the missing, was taken after rushing to the Music Festival<\/a> to try to save his daughter maya. Earlier tonight, i spoke with marks son, and daughterinlaw, jessica. Let me just say im so sorry were talking under these circumstances. I just want to talk to you about what has happened over the last 39 or so hours. Gilad, your sister, maya, was at the dance where we know some, according to the israeli government, more than 260 people were slaughtered. She escaped, but your dad went looking for her. Can you explain what happened . Yeah, my sister she was like one of like many, like say 2,000, approximately, kids and like young adults that went to the festival in the south near by gaza. There was like a festival there. And she went with her friends to have fun, to party there. Enjoy. And we woke up saturday morning at 6 30 during the bombs, running to the shelter. He understands that shes missing. He tried to reach out. He called her. He tried to communicate. He called her on cell phone and he heard the screams, he heard the shots, he understands something bigger than what we thought. Usually we got we know now to deal with the rockets. We have shelters. We have specific orders and things that we know what to do in situations with rockets. When we started to figure out that hamas crossed the border through the air, through the ocean, through the boarder, the gate itself, my father understood that my little sister going to be kidnapped soon so he decided to take the car and drive south. So your dad, like a lot of, weve heard stories of a lot of dads who got into cars to go and try and find and help their children who were in hiding or at this festival. Your dad, mark, went to try to find your sister, maya, and help her. She had actually found she had escaped from the festival, hidden for several hours, and then got to a Police Station<\/a> where she stayed, and she ended up being able to make her way home, but your dad now has gone missing. When was the last time you had contact with him . So basically what happened, my dad reached to the south around 8 30. He achieved to the area when its like danger zone. Its a battlefield there. He made it to gaza. And at 8 48, we lost contact. Like the communication with him. I was with my dad on the phone. I called him to see whats going on at the time. And i heard shots, and he tried to say, like, dont shoot, im israeli, dont shoot. And we lost the service. We lost the contact at 8 48. He was nearby Something Like<\/a> two kilometers away from the festival. During this time on the second line im with my sister, and shes reporting me all the time that they are escaping for their life. Three friends are there. Between the Banana Fields<\/a> and stuff like that, hiding in bushes, jumping around rocks, hiding in trash, and like trucks and stuff like that. Gilad, at the same time youre talking to your dad on the one hand, and hes, you know, telling you where he is, and then obviously theres some bad situation hes in. Youre also in communication with your sister whos still running and hiding . Yes. Yes. On the secondhand, im speaking with my sister that she is arriving in hiding at some point, at 8 48. I lost communication with my dad, and i understood that he might be kidnapped or dead in this moment, so i tried to leave it on the side, and focus on my sister to bring her back and help her through the phone. Try to guide her with the maps and whatever i can to bring her. And she got lucky. She found out like a Farmer Driving<\/a> from the fields of the fruits and vegetables to central city, the sound of course of hakim. He rescued to a Police Station<\/a>. They stay there for at least two hours, and they brought her back to the home. One of her friends dead reached the Police Station<\/a> to take her home. And at this point how is she doing now . Thats how situation for her. We dont have any i dont think she need to be we tried to make her feel that nothing of this like its her fault, and we all around the mission of trying to track what happened to my father. We try to find people that maybe saw him in the shelter or something in the south. My mission now is to try to get to any screen in the south, everything is trying to reach out to him. Show him a picture of my dad. Maybe he saw him. Well obviously show a picture of your dad, mark. The last communication you had from him was, what, around that 8 48 time . Yeah, 8 48 in the morning yesterday. And since then, we didnt heard from him, and no one that saw him. But today we started we succeed to track his phone after its important to say, the police is really busy in the south, and all of the force thein the south, we decided to contact the company mark works for, and to see if they have any leaders on his phone. It didnt lead us to anything specific. It didnt lead us to a shelter that he might be in that we can check, and the phone still seems to be in the south, his car seems to be in the soiuth. Its all just Question Marks<\/a> and were looking for answers. Is his phone still pinging or when was the last time you got some sort of location of his phone . We got two locations two his phone, one, two hours after the last contact we have with him. So we find him two miles south from the point he was. And im assuming he tried to walk most tor reach to my siste. He tried to walk to find her in the festival zone, but he figured out that none of the people that stay there at this point. And after that, we got another location. Three or four hours later, that he was on the second side of the zone. So his phone has been on the move. Youre not sure if hes with his phone or you havent actually heard from him. That was the last signal. That was around, like, what, 1 00 on saturday, 1 00 p. M. Or so . 1 00 p. M. On saturday. Thats the last track. This is obviously a very fluid situation. Theres still fighting going on on the ground at border areas. Have you been in contact with israeli authorities . Have they been helpful . Or are they overwhelmed at this moment . I would say that the first hours was very shocking for all of us, and it took some time, but by the first night, the authorities contacted us and we came to the center to give dna samples. That maybe will be combining with some of the dead bodies or injured people that they found, and maybe they can recognize people without their i. D. S or maybe they cannot recognize, you know, for some reasons, so we gave all the information we had, and we have full contact with the israeli authorities. What do you want people to know about your dad . My dad is a fighter. Im sure. Im trying to stay positive. He sure sounds like one. Hes a family guy. He just tried to go save his daughter. Life will go on. I hope with him. We miss him. There are millions of people around the world who are watching whose hearts go out to you and your family and to all of those who are suffering at this hour. Thank you for being with us. Well continue to follow this, and i hope you get word about your dad very soon. Thank you so much for having us. So many families waiting for word on their loved ones. Joining me is israels former ambassador to the united states. Appreciate you being with us tonight. I want to talk big picture in a moment, but just first, for families whose loved ones have been taken hostage, what has israel learned in the past through Hostage Situations<\/a> about what may happen now with these hostages . Hi, anderson, good morning to you. Well, weve learned that hamas will hold on to these hostages. Some will be killed. Many will be tortured, but generally hamas wants to hold on to these hostages and use them as bargaining chips, to get terrorists out of israeli jails, also to use them as Human Shields<\/a>, and i think they will be very effective as Human Shields<\/a>. Theres tremendous pressure on the government from the public to mount a Ground Operation<\/a> against gaza. Virtually every round of fighting we have with hamas and gaza, there is a type of growing pressure by the public that we dont go back to the status quo of just, you know, waiting on the border, waiting for more rockets to come over, and then theres a cease fire. No, the Israeli Publicments A Ch<\/a> wants a change now, but it will be a major hitch on israeli decision making. How do you send an army into gaza when hamas are holding as many as 130 israeli hostages . Has something, i mean, have the capabilities of hamas and Islamic Jihad<\/a> significantly changed . I think, is this a sign that there has been a change in their capabilities . Is it greater support from their backers in iran . What do you think it is that has enabled them to coordinate this kind of an attack from air, from sea, from land . Well, theres some evidence of improvement in their missile technology. And its the ability to evade the Iron Dome System<\/a>, and the Iron Dome System<\/a> is not a perfect system. Its only 90 effective but it can be overwhelmed and if youre Firing Thousands<\/a> of rockets at the same time, no Antiballistic System<\/a> can completely defend any skies, certainly not israels skies from that type of onslaught. Tactically theres been a great improvement by hamas, and you have to prescribe that improvement to iranian backing. 95 of the rockets that are fired from gaza are made in iran, and the remainder are made by iraniantrained palestinian engineers. Iran is very deeply involved in gaza. Islamic jihad is wholly owned and operated by iran, and hamas is deeply financed and supported by iran, so i think its very reasonable to assume that iran was intimately involved with this, perhaps the revolutionary guards have been involved in this. There are rumors floating around israel, and only rumors that some of the Palestinian T<\/a> terrorists were hurt speaking farsi. At this point, israels Prime Minister<\/a> has vowed mighty vengeance for hamass actions. What do you see taking place . I mean, what does that look like . Well, it would be a Ground Incursion<\/a>. To actually remove hamas, remove its military capabilities, perhaps remove it entirely. Israel right now, and i cannot stress this enough, and you heard this now from this wonderful family of mark that israel now is in a state of shock. Its in a state of mourning. Were all in our bomb shelters. None of us are sleeping, though you have books behind me, this is my house bomb shelters. My kid are in bomb shelters, grand kids are in bomb shelters. Were in deep shock and mourning. There is a sense we must secure order to our borders, we must return these hostages, and we must not return to the status quo that existed before this, and there seems to be no alternative to changing that status quo, other than a large scale Ground Incursion<\/a>. In previous rounds we have had seem deep incursions, havent gone all the way into gaza, back in 2014, they went several kilometers into gaza. This would be a brutal battle. Were talking about village housetohouse, alley to alley, but all of these houses and alleys are booby trapped and wired and mind. Hamas is prepared for that. As your reporter mentioned earlier, israel has to consider the possibility of a multifront war, thats a real possibility. Its hard to imagine that the head of hezbollah will watch passively while israel invades gaza. Hell trying to be involved. Its unconceivable to me that the west bank will remain passive if israel or other forces enter gaza. Im not sure whether radical forces will remain passive. We may have internal upheaval as well. And israeli Decision Makers<\/a> have to determine, can we invade gaza and further jeopardize the lives of those hostages who are being used as Human Shields<\/a> by hamas. They use their own people as Human Shields<\/a>, theyre going to use the israelis as Human Shields<\/a>. Is the army and people of israel prepared to face this massive multifront challenge to our security. Ambassador michael oren, thank you for your time tonight. Stay safe. You too. The rockets, thousands fired into Southern Israel<\/a>. Well take a closer look at where theyre being targeted from, targets translating to homes and families. Also take a look, this is noah erganani caught on video, begging to be let go. She and her boyfriend abducted her Family Begging<\/a> for her safe return. Well hear from them ahead. You can see dawn breaking here in telaviv. Its almost 6 30 in the morning here on monday morning. Theres no telling what the day will hold. This war began with hamas launch a ing a massive rocket attack. It could continue for as long as the rocket supplies last, and for more on what those capabilities may be, and what we know, heres cnns john foreman. As hamas has been raining rockets down on israel, into this area, many experts have been looking and saying exactly how many do they have. How long can they do this . One estimate has been that its been between 6 and 10,000 rockets in the hands of hamas here. This is completely guess work. Every expert will tell you that. They believe it actually may be much higher. For want of not knowing any better, theyre starting with this. It used to be when hamas was getting a lot of supplies they needed, came in through egypt, smuggled through sudan, up here, and now largely it is being home grown, all made in this roughly 6 mile by 25 mile stretch of land here that is gaza. And one of the things that is known about whats been happening with those rockets is by and large, over the years, they have been getting more accurate, better range, and much more powerful. So when we look at the types of rockets they have one of the things the experts note is they have the biggest numbers, thousands of them down here, generally the shorter range, maybe six to 12, 18 miles, Something Like<\/a> that. The mid range rockets, they tend to get more into maybe 1,600 to 2,000. Again, im telling you, all of these numbers are very sketchy. Just to give you a general sense of what a study ten years ago found by the Israeli Defense<\/a> force, but then when you talk about the top range ones, the ones with the most control, most accuracy, longest range, 400 pound, 500 pound warhead maybe, these are the ones in the tense if any of these numbers make sense. Theyre just a point of reference. What we know about this is that the way the rockets are used absolutely shapes the battlefield, if you want to call it that. Although were talking about a civilian area out here. These are all the ones that have so much of the Ground Fighting<\/a> with people coming out here. Militants coming out of gaza to attack civilian populations. Thats happening in these areas. That fall easily under the range of the shortest range rockets, the ones that have the least amount of accuracy, but the ones they have the most of us the most that they can fill the sky with to try to overcome the Iron Dome System<\/a>, and truly rain terror down on people in these areas. Anderson . Tom, thanks very much. Joining me now is Cnn National Security<\/a> analyst, julia kyem, and aaron miller, i want to go to Kaitlan Collins<\/a> whos going to handle this. Juliette, its great to have you here. One thing that stands out to everyone is how this attack has totally punctured this sense of invincibility that israel seemed to have. When you look at the broad view of this, and other intelligence failures, how bad is this one, and what did Israeli Intelligence<\/a> miss here . I wrote that it was not just an intelligence failure, it was an everything failure. This is a tragedy for israel, so my focus on their faults and what they miss is only because they need to learn what happened. Here you have a Terrorist Organization<\/a> on your border that israeli Counter Terrorism<\/a> is extensive. They infiltrate hamas. They pay people to give them information. They have signal intelligence, human intelligence, they are watching. It is hard to train. Its hard for terrorists to train, to get in large groups. Whats remarkable about what happened is that hundreds of men were able to train. We dont know if they had help from another nation, used parachutes, which you really cant train for in gaza. You would be seen by israelis, and infiltrate israel, and thats part one of the bad story for israel. Part two is that their response was at best flat footed. There are too many images on tv. People asking for help, begging for help, and its taking hours for that to occur. Israel lives by its strength, its Military Strength<\/a> because it knows it has enemies around it. That strength has literally been punctured but symbolically been punctured. It was that aura of strength that kept as much as possible enemies at bay. And thats what netanyahu has been known for. Hes synonymous with that. He prides himself on that. Aaron david miller when you look at the complexity of the attack, it seems to indicate it would have required a lot of planting. How much do you estimate went into this when it went to cyber activity, and everything we saw play out saturday. Clearly months, and if the reports are credible, the Wall Street Journal<\/a> is reporting today that hamas officials both in lebanon and outside the country met with irg officials and the iranians had a key role in directing this attack. I think juliettes right, but i would only add one point. This was a failure of imagination. 50 years ago this week, last week, i was in israel. I heard the sirens wail. Theres an eerie reminiscence, strangeness about the magnitude of this intelligence failure, and just like in 73, the israelis underestimate the capacity of hamas to do this as an organized campaign. This was a military campaign, but in terms of its intentions, it was a massive Terrorist Assault<\/a> against civilians. And i think to a large degree, the israelis never believed hamas would even though the israelis were familiar with tunnelling both across the lebanese boarder and Tunnelling In<\/a> hamas, i dont think they ever believed that hamas had the capability or at this Time Incentive<\/a> to carry out a plan as bold and as radical as this. Its a failure of imagination and a failure of operational competency in terms of how many israeli units were deployed in those areas. Well, quickly, you mentioned the timing there. Its hard not to see the reminiscent in the Surprise Attack<\/a>, how this was conducted. Do you think that hamas is trying to kind of tap into a National Terror<\/a> with the timing of this . You know, hamass motives here are, i think, much harder to divide. I think hamas, frankly, wanted to break out of the gaza straight jacket. They were very upset with the conditions that the israelis had imposed. The they had not delivered the Monthly Payments<\/a> of 10 million, they cut it to three. By and large, it was more than that. Hamas wanted to demonstrate it alone has the capacity to inflict tremendous pain through terror, and disrupt israeli normalcy. This is to me the biggest crisis to what has occurred. The credibility and legitimacy rests on bringing normalcy to his citizens. Three days after now, the israelis still have not succeeded in clearing those areas. And on that front, there is such a complete absence of that feeling of security. Juliette, you know, just last week jake sullivan, President Biden<\/a>s National Security<\/a> adviser, i remember he was saying the middle east is quieter than it has been in two decades. He added a caveat, saying all of that could change. Obviously all of it has. The u. S. Does rely on israel for intelligence. How does this affect . That. It will affect it tremendously only because what we know now is that israels knowledge of what was happening within hamas or any other Terrorist Organization<\/a> was not strong. I mean, it just theres no way that you can have an organized attack like this, without there being some communication that could have been picked up by israel or even us. Some explanations, show they went low tech, they were doing this old school. They were communicating with each other that they couldnt be intercepted. Our Intelligence Gathering<\/a> has been impacted. Israel has to get hamas out of their boards. They have to secure the border and regroup on rebuilding their Counter Terrorism<\/a> efforts however theyre going to look in the future. Yeah, serious challenges. Jul juliette kyem, aaron david miller, thank you very much for joining me tonight. Anderson is joined by a reporter covering the conflict for more than a decade and was there when the war broke out. And welcome back to our continuing coverage from here in telaviv. Obviously this is a very fastmoving situation. We are not sure obviously what will occur over the next couple of hours. Israeli forces say as of about two hours ago when we spoke to the idf, they are still not in full control of the security situation. It is still very fluid along the border. Danielle is a reporter from npr who has been here for how long have you been here . About 15 years, and with npr for about six years. So in terms of how this compares to other conflicts, what is the difference . Theres no comparison. I mean, we have seen escalation after war after a round of conflict with gaza, ef yvery ye every couple of years. When i woke up on saturday morning, its a beautiful saturday morning, and suddenly hearing the airraid sirens and running into the reinforced room in our apartment, loud booms, that weve even, you know, experienced but what happened next is something we have never seen. This is unprecedented and i cannot describe just the depth of the incredible numbness and just astonishment of israelis and palestinians ive been speaking with. People here are used to the rockets, and obviously its a sickening fact of life and a terrible fact of life, but its something that is known. This situation is something many people here just have not seen before, that the hostage taking, the Ground Incursion<\/a>. Oh, yeah, i mean this was hamas coming in mad max style on motorcycles, on pickup trucks, On Para Gliders<\/a> by sea. This is something that i think no israeli would have thought would have happened, you know, with israels incredibly Strong Military<\/a> intelligence and guards along the border. I mean, israel has praised itself for the new border wall along gaza that even including an underground wall to prevent hamas from Tunnelling In<\/a>, and here in broad daylight, theyre coming through. The pictures and videos that hamas is publishing are things that are continuing to be shocking for people here. 48 hours later, since this attack, occurred around 6 30 a. M. Starting saturday morning, the idf says they were still not in full control. There are still isolated pockets of individuals or several people. Right. Maybe some who just got left behind who werent able to make it in the back, Making Last Stands<\/a> or trying to get back, its still not secure. Thats right. Yeah, theyre still saying there are still militants holed up in several cities, several communities along the border. I have been witness to some incredibly moving stories by israelis, both jewish israelis and palestinian citizens of israel who lost loved ones. I met them at the hospital in soroka medical center, the main hospital in israel south next to these events. We met some people who, first of all, a palestinian citizen of israel whose sister was picking vegetables along the border when hamas gunmen came up and she said im arab, and was shot at pointblank range. I ran into an old professor of mine from Brandice University<\/a> where i did my undergraduate agree, a professor of israel studies, and he was standing at foot of his grandsons bed, and his daughter and soninlaw had been killed this their safe room, in their reinforced home, right next to the gaza border. He said that his daughter and soninlaw were shot. They had flung themselves over their son to protect him, and the bullet went through them, and hit his stomach, and i mean, this then of course the professor told me that for hours they were on the phone with their grandson as he was hiding where gunmen were coming back into the home. These are just excruciating, excruciating stories. And we are whats astonishing is that israel usually is providing so much information, numbers of deaths, whats going on. The bulk of the information we have been getting actually is from the hamas videos that they have been publishing of captives inside gaza. Its really extraordinary. The look of terror on the captives faces, its, you know, its shocking, and that is a situation which is very much ongoing. Daniel, i appreciate you taking the time to talk with us. Thank you. Daniel estrin with npr. Lets go back to kaitlan. Yeah, just amazing to hear that perspective on that, anderson. Of course, up next were going to speak with the father of one of those missing Festival Goers<\/a>. Of course she has been in the videos you have seen, a look of anguish on her face as she is taken away from this festival where she was. That story back in a moment. Tonight weve been bringing you stories of families desperate to find their loved ones who were at a Music Festival<\/a> near the gaza border, dancing, having fun with their friends until gunfire rang out. The music was replaced by sounds of terror and the Festival Goers<\/a> started running, running for their live, but where they were going not really clear. Some of them were abducted by hamas militants. The terrifying moments were caught on video, and that includes noa and her boyfriend. Cnn spoke with her father and she filed this report. Reporter the unspeakable anguish of a father, describing the moment he saw a video posted on social media of his daughter pleading for her life. It was noa, frightened and threatened, he says. Im so sorry. Im so, so sorry. Its okay. So sorry. You dont want to believe it, even though you can clearly see its your daughter. He now wants this video to be seen widely. 25yearold noa seen here on the back of a Motorcycle Being<\/a> driven away. Her boy is seen here with two men holding his hands behind his back. A dark plume of smoke can be seen in the background. Theyd been among the more than one thousand people partying at an allnight Music Festival<\/a> in Southern Israel<\/a> in the gaza border when it was raided by armed mass militants early on saturday morning. Her father says now and her boyfriend were kidnapped. Their whereabouts unknown, but are assumed to be held in gaza. Im so sad at this moment. She is my only daughter. And yaakovs pain mirrored by so many others, husbands, wives, filled with horror and despair thinking about the fate of their loved ones. In this video thats been circulating widely online, a woman is seen in the back of the truck as a militant put oscar of over her head. Cnn has not been able to independently verify it. But yani, a resident of the Sharon Region<\/a> told cnn his wife and two daughters aged 5 and 3 were visiting their grandmother near the gaza border. He lost contact with them on saturday morning and suspected they may have been abducted. Later that day, his suspicions confirmed when he saw the video. The woman was his wife. He told cnn he wants the video to be shown in the hopes of getting them home safely. There was no doubt in my mind i recognized them surely. My wife, my two daughters, my two little daughters that were on this cart. So i know for sure they were taken. Reporter israel Defense Forces<\/a> told cnn its taking pains to establish the exact number of hostages taken, emphasizing the complicated nature of the situation. So far they estimate there are dozens, possibly more in captivity. Yaakov has a message to whoever is holding his daughter. You have casualties, just like we do. This is an opportunity to connect between the two nations, to reach an honest peace. For now, yaakov sits at home and waits for news, taking comfort from his family and noas friends. She is a very special kid, so loving, so giving. I miss her so much. Its only been 2 1 2 days. I cannot belief she is gone, he says. She made this house so alive. I feel like this house is empty without her. Becky anderson, cnn, tel aviv. She made this house so alive that is one familys pain, and that pain is echoed in thousands of families all across this country tonight as they are mourning the loss of their children, their parents, their grandparents, those who are still missing. Kaitlan, well continue to follow it all throughout the day and tomorrow night as our coverage continues. Yeah, of course. 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