You have a good night. I am laura coates, everyone. And listen, right now you are looking at capitol hill. Thats the home of the United States house of representatives, call the peoples house, the place where you would expect the people that you elected to legislate your actual priorities. You are number one is supposed to be their number one. Let me ask how many of you out there, at a party, as your top priority or even on your bingo card today, nancy pelosi getting kicked out of her office in the capital building. Anyone . Anyone . I did not think so. But tonight, sources tell cnn that the now former Speaker Mccarthy, who is behind the interim speaker Patrick Mchenrys move to kick former Speaker Nancy Pelosi out of office space. Its things like this that drive voters crazy. You are telling me that, within hours of throwing out the speaker, with no clear succession plan, 44 days away from yet another manufactured Government Shutdown with concerns over the economy looming, border, National Security, funding for ukraine, that all of that that was the priority . So, this is what we call the disconnect. Because it shouldnt be First Priority be, well, to function . I hope whoever the next speaker is gets rid of the motion to vacate. I think it makes the speakers job impossible. And the American People expect us to have a Functioning Government. Yes. A Functioning Government is actually the floor, though, not even the ceiling. Amid the chaos of the past 24 hours has some about to take it to the floor, one congressman telling cnn, im eating up republicans last night it got so heated, if it lasted any longer it would have devolved into, quote, physical attacks. So, what is next . When cooler heads prevail, who will be at the head of the table . Tonight we do have some names for you, notably Steve Scalise and also jim jordan. We are a conservative center right party and my politics are entirely consistent with we are conservatives and republicans are across the country. Okay. The question really is, though, is the politics consistent with actual governments . I have the perfect guest to talk about all this gillespie, passed adviser to speaker John Beta Boehner arc of power, inside nancy pelosi speakership. John, im so glad you guys are here, because when you bring on a member of congress, oftentimes they are going to give you the i want to know what really was happening behind the scenes. Because that is really where the they have a, quote unquote, we cough right now. Its not really weak off, though, is it . The next speaker . The rule is you need 218 votes to be the next speaker and i think the reality is based on the confusion that occurred yesterday in the unprecedented events of yesterday is that nobody has that 218 votes. I think it even bigger problem that the republicans are going to have to confront and its a republican issue, to choose their own speaker is what is going to be different when they do have the new speaker. That is i remember when john boehner ran into these problems in 2011, 2012, 2013. He and i would speak about the problem that he faced, which was that he had a group of people in his caucus who are making it virtually impossible to govern. When he left in 2015, a lot of people asked me, well, that is going to change, right, with ryan . It doesnt change. Its an endemic problem and whether it mr. Is scalise or whether it is mr. Jordan or someone else, they are still going have to face a continuing resolution in the middle of november. They are still going to have to pass appropriation bills. And because it is divided government they are going to have to deal with democrats. That is, presumably, the reason that the speaker lost his job and the next speaker is going to be you used to work for john boehner these anything going to be different right now . Are there really no Lessons Learned . Because, at least then, there is not a looming vacancy that would last at least a week. Right. This different. John boehner had plans of retiring. He had wanted to Erik Kanter Cantor had plans of retiring realized he had to stick around. This Republican Study Committee has freedom caucus, the Tea Party Got into this kind of faction of the party. They have continuously move the goalposts to make it super challenging for his big wrenches for the leadership in general to get things done and so for jon bayne or john boehner compromise, not a dirty word and now it seems like its taboo. Now it seems like its taboo. Democrats versus republicans was, that shouldnt be how we view our fellow americans, we should be looking at it is, we have policy differences. But so much of what we are seeing on capitol hill right now feels personal, and that political divisiveness is at home watching nothing is waiting to fight and not an actual policy issues. Because matt gates did hear no plan, nores a lot of anger now towards those republicans, the eight of them who ousted him, including that gaetz. In fact, i want to play for you a little bit of what has been said about these eight republicans, because they did stand in contrast to the majority of republicans. Listen to this. I think there needs to be a reckoning within the conference. There needs to be accountability for the eight individuals who selfishly up ended our House Majority and put their own interests above the country. These individuals need to be held accountable, and realize they cannot continue to act in the manner that they are. Because once you have one disagreement with the next week or the next leader, i would be headed down that path. I dont see how they can really be part of a conference when they they come on the inside and listen to what is going on outside and draw palms in the middle. I think its for selfish reasons and dont think anything to do with causes. So, you know mccarthy thinks its personal, right . You mentioned the idea of dysfunction, fighting just a fight. But what are the consequences . What did they realistically do . Heres the problem. They only have a margin of five seats. If you are going to disenfranchise those people by throwing them out of the conference or kicking them off their committees, you lose your operating majority. Whoever is the new speaker is going to have to put together the votes. And i think the vast majority of republicans, on policy grounds, are still going to demand legislation that is probably going to be anathema to a lot of democrats. These hes made in Estimably Inestimably more difficult then mr. John boehner had pelosi operation im going to make life very, very difficult. I realize the anger one of the things that we used to say on capitol hill, is everybody wants a leadership, nobody wants to be led. And i think that is one of the problems that the republican majority is going to face. They somehow are going to have to select a leader who can come back and maybe get some democrats to participate in supporting legislation. But they are not going to do that if they are constantly being held at the mercy of people who are demanding 15 or 20 cuts below what they already agreed. To that is just not going to work. And they are not going to get democrats. They are not going to get a majority of republicans. By the way, unlike pelosi, for example who not have that motion to vacate rule and said, that was not the sort of damocles all the time. But its also a matter of trust. If it is coming down, in many respects to, not just the policy considerations, but it sounded like they did not trust mccarthy, democrats or republicans. In fact, some of the complaints about mccarthy from democrats include they accused democrats of wanting to shut down after they voted to avoid a shutdown. That he gave democrats 30 minutes to review short term spending bills. The reverse decision about holding a vote for the Impeachment Inquiry or, as he called, it an inquiry. He made to deal with by not a debt limit that he helped back out. He helped craft the Microchip Bill but whipped his party to vote against it. January 6th committee. Youve got what those eight republicans are talking about, hes accusing democrats of being problematic in all this maybe thats why hes going after pelosi and the office. But what do you say in terms of this issue of trust . Have we hit rock bottom when, the person who took 15 rounds to get the gavel, no interests at all . I had thought we hit rock bottom on january 6th. And we continue to show me that maybe we havent. And what happened this week with Kevin Mccarthy and the fact that matt gaetz, a congressman who has been accused of a minor has successfully ousted the speaker of the house and, without any plan of how to resolve the situation, with no aspirations to come up with a solution to keep the house operational and he had it with the help of democrats, and now he as he did all weekend and thats where we are on politics. Is this the best we have to offer . And goes to trust and all responsibility as americans is to in our primaries, to get involved. We let ego driven people like a map gaetz get in congress, and then feel empowered to do what he did, because of the motion to vacate and he is feeling proud of himself, right . He in the seven others feel like they accomplish something, which is why in part, the majority of the republicans voting against this are enraged by it. Talk to me about this office with speaker pelosi, former speaker pelosi. Really, of all the things to prioritize, one of the first orders of business, john, is to move her out of her office. She is not even here, by the way, she did not even vote. She was at senator feinsteins funeral. What is this about . I wish i knew. The notion of giving a former speaker and office originated with mrs. Pelosi when the democrats won control in 2006. She offered outgoing speaker, mr. Pastured, a room in the capital, a very nice room, i might add, to use as his office until he decided that he was going to leave. That is usually not a problem because most speakers leave after they have left their term as speaker. Mrs. Pelosi was given that same courtesy by Speaker Mccarthy when she left the speakership in 2021. And 2020. I sink tech they not only throughout misses pelosi but the Majority Leader as well, who is a very collaborative person who worked very closely with republican leaders, both in the majority and the minority. Night feeling about this is, Nancy Pelosis reaction to losing is what she will use when she is asked about this. It is not a big deal for her. What it is is an enormous missed opportunity. Here, you have a new person come in, the dust has somewhat settled for yesterday. Mchenry will not be the speaker long term in all likelihood. He could have come in with no risk to himself and said, why dont we start off just as a reset. Why dont we start to try talking to each other and find a symbolic way of getting people into the room and figuring out something that will restore peoples confidence in the system and the congress. Instead, she took what i felt was the cheap shot, to go after she was not even there. She was at the funeral. Start off with an adversarial act that is naturally going to inflame passions. I dont see the point, i think it is a missed opportunity. Well, we are talking about it. Mara, john, thanks for talking to us about. It important to hear your perspectives. Coming up, what donald trump is thinking of what donald trump said outside of court today that may get him in trouble with the judge. I will make my case, next. Well, the judge in Donald TrumpsCivil Fraud Case issued a gag order and rebuked him from a social media post attacking his clerk. What did the former president to . Just hours later, he turned around and attacked the Attorney General, lifted should shames. Not stopping their, he also attacked judge arthur anger on himself. I would rather be in New Hampshire, south carolina, or ohio or a lot of other places, but i am stuck here as i have a corrupt Attorney General that communicates with the doj In Washington to keep me nice and busy, because i am leaning leading biden by a lot. The judge knows what he will to, he is a democrat judge out of the club houses. It is a shame. So, here comes a Rhetorical Question that we all inevitably and up asking whenever trump pokes the bear. What would happen to you or any of us if we did this . Well, people, including Elected Officials who ignore a gag order can find themselves find or even in jail. Pro trump attorney and election denier lint what was found in contempt and fined for violating a gag order by disparaging his former partners. Baltimore city states attorney maryland must be was fined 1500 dollars for violating a gag order about a controversial homicide case in 2022. Donald trump, remember him . He was fined 10,000 a day by this same judge, when he did not turn over documents to the a. G. s office to the tune of 110,000 bucks. Now, trump trump cannot pretend that he has not gone unnoticed. The judge was very clear. Here is what he said. Consider this statement and order forbidding all parties from posting, emailing, or speaking publicly about any members of my staff. Failure to abide by this will result in serious sanctions. So, what is stopping the judge from bringing down the hammer . Maybe it is the power of the gavel. Remember, this is a bench trial, meaning there is no jury to impress or perform in front of for the lawyers. He alone will decide this case, and it is his decision that will be reviewed on appeal. And it will be refute, he knows that. And, he likely sees that cheese sitting at the end of the big old trap. Take the bait of personal attacks and validate trumps claim that the judge is motivated by a personal vendetta . Well, normally a judge imposes a gag order so he does not poison the jury pool, but this judge is the jury. There is no jury coming in this case. Isnt there an irony in donald trump being the one to argue to an audience of one . You have to know your audience, right . In a jury trial, go ahead. Try to win that tony. In a bench trial, theatrical will not cut it. Perhaps that is why Laetitia James is calling this whole thing a show. I will not be bullied, so mr. Trump is no longer here, the donald trump show is over. This is nothing more than a political stunt, a fund raising stunt. Well, maybe trump doesnt know his audience, and it is not the judge, it is the voters. But, does he understand the difference between a vote and a verdict . I want to bring in National Security attorney brett moss to join the conversation. Listen, bradley, he has violated the order. We had that all on our bingo cards. The question is, he has other cases with gag orders in place or at least some level of a gag order. Does this opened the case for those judges to think more seriously about someone who has been poking the bear . Yes, you have to think of this as a sigh of relief. Judge chutkan out here in d. C. Is obviously the camera model case tied and january 6th and the Election Interference she will not have to be the first want to cross that rulebook on if she imposes a gag order that jack smith has asked for. Now, the judge in has done it. There is a judge in in colorado who has done it. There have been people who take that initial step and, look, the sky did not fault. The world did not end with the gag order on donald trump. So far, in this 24, 36 hours, he has not gone after the staff. The clear letter of that gag order, he has stayed off. He has not made additional comments about them. He has commented about the judge, but i do not think each cares about whatever trump says about him. He has stayed away from his staff. Also, james who came out early to talk about not being bullied, has a statement out tonight where she says on access on access. Listen to the video. Dangerous and racist comments will not deter me. Laws of this great state and nation apply equally to everyone, even donald trump. And it is my duty and my responsibility to ensure that the law is enforced and upheld, and i refused to back down or to be bullied. Why do you think she issued this . I think she is trying to show herself as the adult in the room. This was the donald trump shot for three days. He went out every single time there was a break in the court proceeding. He ran his mouth and said everything he wanted to talk about. The judge, maralago being worth a billion. She had to come back out and establish some control over things. This is a civil litigation proceeding. This is a trial. We are all adults, here. Here is how it will work, here is how what the law is, here is how i am enforcing it. I am doing my job as the new York Attorney general. Somebody also in front of the camera is rudy giuliani, who is now suing President Biden for defamation. Why . He says biden called him, quote, a russian pawn. Now, giuliani is a wellknown Public Figure with a different standard than those who are in the public sphere in terms of defamation. Why this case . The biggest thing i thought of when i saw the lawsuit was, you are filing this in New Hampshire . What connection does this have to New Hampshire . You still have to have jurisdiction to bring a lawsuit in a particular state. Why New Hampshire, then . No idea, where he thinks he has got a connection to New Hampshire, he does not live there, the bidens did not live there, the debate was in tennessee, i think, when the comment was made. I have no idea how he thinks that it