Its apparently the unforgivable sin in todays politics. Working with the other side of the aisle. So unforgivable, in fact, it may earn you the political death penalty. As republicans begin the autopsy on what happened to Kevin Mccarthy, they are now doctoring some of the results. Good evening. Tonight the fallout intense phase after the historic ouster of Kevin Mccarthy as House Speaker. There is a race underway to replace him but even more intense is the blame game. Some republicans are pointing the finger at matt gaetz. Others appointment to mccarthy and the deal that he himself cut to neuter his own power in january. But increasingly, we are hearing more of this. That democrats are the one to blame for not saving mccarthy. The Republican Committee said democrats on the bipartisan Problem Solvers Caucus have the spine of a boiled noodle of spaghetti. Mccarthy himself echoed that. I think today was a political decision by the democrats. And i think the things they have done in the past hurt the constitution. You cant do the job if eight people, 94 , or 96 of your entire conference, but eight people can partner with the whole other side. How do you govern . Its a really good question. But it is one that i think Kevin Mccarthy should have been asking himself back in january, because it was mccarthy himself who agreed to those hardliner demands by republicans to get the speakership. In the 15th round, i should add. It is also odd that he thinks democrats should be the one to throw him a life line when he greenlit the biden impeachment inquiry. He gave the January 6th Footage to tucker carlson. Just days ago, he blamed democrats for the almost shutdown. The democrats tried to do everything they could they are the ones who voted for this. Did you watch . To keep the ting resolution alive. Did you watch the floor yesterday . Oh, yes. 93 republicans votes against it. As Margaret Brennan said, it was republican whos even prior tom vote that weekend, failed to pass their own bills to fun the government. But if you look at the recent history of republican speakers, the cause of death becomes a little clearer. Mccarthy ousted. Paul ryan quit in disgust over his right flank. John boehner pushed out by the freedom caucus. Dennis hastert spent time in prison after admitting saul abuse. And the hyper partisan Newt Gingrich resigned before his own caucus staged a rebellion. Perhaps the issue isnt actually democrats, but the insatiable thirst for rebellion within the republican conference. Joining me now, congressman ted lu, congressman, thank you for joining us tonight. Speaker mccarthy and his allies have been saying that democrats share blame for his downfall. What is your reaction . Let me say, ive known Kevin Mccarthy a long time. Ever since we were both serving in the california state legislature. He was the son of a firefighters and he rose to occupy the highest legislative office in the land. I wish him well. The notion that somehow democrats would bail out the republicans in this civil war makes no sense. If you remember in january, we voted 15 rounds and every democrat voted for Hakeem Jeffries because we believe Hakeem Jeffries should be speaker and would be a better speaker, and our actions were consistent with having Hakeem Jeffries be speaker. Former Speaker Pelosi and leader hoyer were both kicked out of their capitol offices, these hideaways that they have. It is a privilege that was given and reportedly taken away by speaker mccarthy. What do you make of that move . So House Republicans seem concerned with office space. Democrats want to help pass laws to help american families. We passed the Inflakes Reduction Act to cap insulin at 35 a month and lower the cost of other Prescription Drugs and thats what the American People expect. A functioning government. We are learning tonight that former republican liz cheney reached out to dan goldman ahead of the motion to vacate the vote to stress the danger that mccarthy poses to democracy because of his response to january 6th. Sources say that goldman shared this to the rest of the democratic caucus. What exactly did she say and what was the reaction in the room to that advice from liz cheney . I am not aware of what liz cheney said because i was not a witness to that conversation. I want the explain whats happening. There is a civil war in the House Republican caucus between those who are extreme and those who are very extreme. There are very few left that could join with democrats on a bipartisan path forward, and go democrats stand ready and willing to govern. We just need a partner who is willing to govern. I have to ask you though, what if the tables were turned. Lets hypothetically suppose a democratic speaker found themselves basically on the verge of losing their job because of a tiny minority within the Democratic Party who teamed up with republicans to oust them. Does that scenario, becoming more possible concern you . I think you cant look at this situation without looking at who the speaker actually was. Speaker mccarthy made a deal and then broke it a few weeks laefrlt this was not any deal. This was a deal with the president of the United States that was literally signed into law. And renigs on it and then it brought the country to the brink of a shutdown. If there was a speaker whose word could be trusted, you might have had a difficult result. Speaking of a different speaker, there is now a race for that job in the republican conference. You famously clashed with one of the people up for it. Jim jordan. What do you see when you imagine a world in which jim jordan is the speaker . Is he someone you think you could work with . Democrats, including me, im ready to work with any republican speaker as long as they dont break their word. That they want to element the American People. We stand ready, willing and able. We just need maga extremists to not control it. Weve had that this entire year. We need people to abandon this stream extreme wing. Do you think you can work with jim jrd specifically . Yes. I can work with any speaker provided they tell the truth and want to work on a bipartisan path Going Forward. Im fine to work with any member. Thank you for joining us. Thank you. Lets continue this conversation with chris wallace. So republicans are blaming democrats for the fact that mccarthy no longer has a job. Do you think that they share some blame hear . The democrats . No. Its not their job to save the republican speaker. Can you imagine if nancy pelosi was in trouble, back when she was speaker, and they were counting on republicans to bail her out . Yeah. Not in a million years. Theres plenty of legitimate bad blood between republicans and democrats. Remember, it was Kevin Mccarthy had a right after january 6th said that donald trump was responsible for what that happened and then he was down in maralago kissing the former president s ring. So there was not a lot of love lost between the democrats and Kevin Mccarthy. Not to say they would oust him but they werent going to save him. Yeah. I think a republican leader who authorized helping a democratic leader in that same position would have lost their jobs as a result of doing that. Now that we dont know who will come next after mccarthy, do you think theres any world in which democrats might come to regret not trying to encourage mccarthy to make a deal with them in order to save his speakership . He couldnt have. Had he made a deal with the democrats, had he said ill give you these concessions, and well try to rule as a bipartisan unity coalition, it might have worked for a little time. It would have so cratered his base inside the gop conference that you wouldnt have had eight republicans calling for his ouster. It would have been dozens. So at that point, when there was, you know, there was more than the delta taken with the majority and the number of republicans who wanted him out, there was just no way he would save the speakership. I think youre right about that. So now we have two candidates had a have officially announced they are running for speaker. One is Steve Scalise. The other is congressman jim jordan who heads up, some of the hunter biden probes, known as a Flame Thrower into the house. Kevin hearn who is a congressman is keeping his options open. Where do you think this lands . Who do you think has the momentum at their backs at this point . Well, i think first of all, it will be really hard to get a twoway team. I would think between scalise and ready enjoy, theyll split the conference. Remember, there are just a couple more, four or 5 votes beyond that. If you get a sasable number for both of them, no one will be anywhere near. And thats one of the reasons mccarthy was elected back in january in the first place. He was the only one out there who could get 218 votes. I mean, unless one of them gives way, i think it will be a long difficult process. We may look back at last january when there were 15 rounds and say that was easy. That was a tea party compared to what well face this time around. On a logical basis, you would say Steve Scalise has a lot of support within the conference. One of the things that he faces is real questions about his health. Because of the fact, he survived that shooting back if 2017. Now hes fighting multiple myeloma. That would be one of the questions. Does he have the vigor to run the house and to go out and raise a lot of money for 2024. Yeah. Its a very important question. One that i know is being asked over on capitol hill as well as the process goes through. Everybody needs to hold on. This could take some time even if it just gets started next week. If jim jordan stands speaker, u. S. Aid to ukraine could be in serious jeopardy. What that would may not for the ongoing war. Plus, see what happened when chris confronts oliver stone about his interviews with Vladimir Putin. And the war of words is getting fairy as the new York Attorney general fires back at donald trump during a fraud trial. What about ukraine . Are you willing the move forward with an aid package to ukraine . Im against that. At some point well have to deal with this Appropriation Process in the right way. 41 days. The most pressing issue on americans minds is not ukraine. It is the border situation and crime on the street. That there was House Speaker candidate jim jordan making clear that he is not in favor of new aid for ukraine. And that casts a dark cloud over the fate of ukraine as the funds quickly dry up. So the question now is, will this all play into Vladimir Putins hands . Chris wallace is back with me now. U. S. Aid now, i think more than perhaps at any point since this war has begun seems to really be on the line. And it certainly seems to hinge in part on who takes over as speaker of the house. What do you think this all means for the trajectory of this war Going Forward . It couldnt be more serious. You know, theres a few billion dollars in the pipeline still that the pentagon has from flier appropriations. So ukraine is not out of money in terms of u. S. Military aid yet. But one of the Top White House officials the other day said it could be a few more weeks. It could be a few more months. Clearly by the end of the year, if there is no new injection of funds by congress, ukraine will lose its support. Not from europe but from the u. S. And that would very much jeopardize the situation. What is most distressing, that Vladimir Putin, and its been clear from people inside the kremlin, has been counting on the fact that he can outlast the west and outlast the United States. That we will tire of supporting the war in ukraine. That therefore, hell be able to eventually win the long war because of the fact that the west, its support for ukraine will flag. Along those lines, on whos talking this last week, i talked to oliver stone, the famous film director. A couple years ago, he did a series of interviews with Vladimir Putin that were criticized for being soft. Lets look at that exchange. I think it is fair to say that you are most controversial these days for a series of interviews that you did with Vladimir Putin over a couple of years in the mid 2010s, in which youve been Citizen Sased for being too friendly and even flaunting. Why didnt you challenge putin more in those . Im sorry. Thats absolute look at the fourth hour. This is in the fourth hour. Constantly i am pushing it in this interview. But do you challenge it . Sometimes you have to play it to get the interview. I understand. When you get to sit down with a dictator, why would you want to tiptoe around the fact that he has been accused of killing his political opponents . Accused, okay . Ive never seen hard evidence of that. Are you really sitting hear, oliver, saying you think that putin has been unjustly accused . Im saying of attacking or killing his political opponents . I have to ask you, whats the motive tad this . Because hes a dictator and he doesnt like people who are a threat. Thats a little simplistic. You said this summer, that putin is not the monster that he has been portrayed by american propaganda. Really . Youre going about this all wrong. Youre not even giving the guy a break. Im not giving who a break . Im talking about putin. Youre blaming him for, what is he doing . To the russian people. Think about it. The question i would ask you, why are you giving why are you siding with Vladimir Putin . Im not siding with anybody. And thats the point. Just as you saw oliver stone talking about, lets give Vladimir Putin a break. I dont know that anybody in the congress will go that far. But you know, with all the competing interests, like as jim jordan said, like immigration, crime, various issues in this country, there certainly is, among House Republicans, not senate republicans, ninishing support for continuing to finance the war in ukraine. First, that interview was eyeopening. It is shocking to hear how he talks about this. To your point, support, or lack of support for putin has become tied to partisanship which is a new phenomenon in this country. I think thats whats playing out on capitol hill. Chris wallace, thank you for joining us. Thank you. Good to be hear. And you can catch his show on max. 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Hes already received a gag order for attacking clerks. We have a prosecutor, Letitia James is incompetent. She did this because she was running for governor. I will not be bullied so the donald trump show is over. This was nothing more than a political stunt. A fundraising stop. Mr. Trumps comments were offensive, baseless. They were comments that unfortunately lamented violence. Despite that one gag order that has already been issued, it does not look like trump will stop lashing out at anyone any time soon. So what does this all may not for his trial that is ongoing . I want to bring in the former january 6th lawyer, and the former federal prosecutor. Lets start with trump. What do you make of the fact that he keeps going there . Letitia james called it basically racist. What do you make of what happens next here . He will keep pushing. He will keep trying to delegitimize proceedings, and pushing and pushing and pushing, knowing that the judge really doesnt want to impose the punishment that has been threatened and hell keep pushing until the moment that judge does, and even then, maybe he wont stop. And james has really put trump if her sights. And trump has accused her of doing it for political reasons. That was a pretty strong statement. She didnt have to make any statement at all. What do you make of that decision . President trump commands a lot of attention. And i think Attorney General james is concerned about whats happening outside the courtroom. Thats where the former president has control, frankly, because he often sets the tone. I think shes made the estimation thats important for her that shes challenging hi