It is one of the last great salmon runs. Bear 747 is the one to beat. He is estimated to weigh. The news continues with kaitlyn collins. Tonight, a new fight is erupting in a Speakerless House with a fractured gop. Candidates are now emerging to replace the only speaker who has ever been ousted from that job. One of the republicans who voted to Boot Mccarthy is here. And attacking the judge who just placed the partial gag order on trump. And she is saying she wont be bullied. And Rudy Giulianis legal problems are piling up. Another attorney has just left his legal team as the man once known as americas mayor is denyingly Drinking Habits have prosecutors attention. This is the source. Tonight the race is on to replace Kevin Mccarthy. Republicans have given themselves one week from today to find a new leader. While speaker hopefuls are working the phones, others in the gop are working overtime to punish those who pushed mccarthy off the cliff last night, throwing the party into expletivefilled chaos, back stabbing, fighting, you can pick any word hear. The bottom lane is its bad. Ill speak with one of those rebels. Perhaps the most surprising of all of them in a moment. But first, listen to two republicans who describe how tense it is inside their party on capitol hill right now. Ill be really candid. I think if we had stayed together in the meeting last night, i think you would have seen fists thrown. Im not being dramatic when i say that. Theres a lot of raw emotions right now. Yesterday was different. There was anger, frustration. Frankly, there was desperation going on. So far two candidates have officially thrown their hats into the ring for the open speakers job. Steve scalise is the second ranking republican in the house. And jim jordan, the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee and a former Freedom Caucus leader. Other names are floating around. The key Question Tonight is who can get enough votes to get that job . One person that we should note that it wont be, despite some Wishful Thinking by some of his allies, is donald trump. Yes. It is true. The speaker of the house does not need to be a member of congress. Perhaps most obvious, the reason thats spelled out in the House Republican rules. It says any member indicted on felony charges that carry a a prison sentence of two or more years is required to step down from leadership. Obviously, that would apply to trump but it did not stop him from posting a picture on social media wielding the speakers gavel. Lets get straight to the source with one of those republicans who voted to remove Kevin Mccarthy from the speakership role. Congresswoman, i want to give you the opportunity to respond directly to mccarthys criticism of you during this exhaustive Press Conference that he had last night after you voted to oust him. Nancy mace is a whole other story, okay . Lets just be honest. I called her Chief Of Staff yesterday. I called the Chief Of Staff . Well, she was on the view saying i didnt keep my word. I called her Chief Of Staff. Maybe i dont connect her with something else. I said to him, can you please tell me. I dont understand where have i not kept may word . Do you know what the Chief Of Staff said . You have kept your word 100 . But if you have a problem with the bill, i will help you. But i cant work it all way through committee. He is suggesting that you were lying when you said he did not keep his word. Whats your response . Well, number one, i would like to know why he called may staff rather than talk to me directly. And im very familiar with how to write a bill. Women in congress can draft, write, file and pass legislation. So the facts are our side. I was very public about what kind of deals and negotiations and legislation that he would back and support me on throughout the entirety of this year. Thats all a matter of public record, including the timing of those pieces of legislation. To date, none of those things came extra. So may focus today is to focus on the focus, to focus on the opportunity hear that we have as a party, as a country to come together and find a speaker who will tell the truthful find a speaker who will be honest and keep their word. You cant tell conservatives one thing, tell moderates another, tell democrats something else. Thats not leadership. Thats not building consensus if you tell everybody different things. So we have a lot of work to do. We have to roll up our leaves and im very much looking forward to the speakers race next week. Ill met with every candidate that throws their hat in the ring. This is a really Opportunity Tad what we said we would do. We promised a budget in 12 separate spending bills. We promise to be responsible with Taxpayer Dollars and this is our opportunity to show that kind of leadership next week. He even said that he would give your Chief Of Staff a job if he got faired over what he said. Have you cleared it up . My chief and i were drinking last night. He had a beer. I had a glass of wine at bull feathers last night. Were just fine. I didnt hear the conversation and it doesnt really matter what words were exchanged. He did not reach out to me. I want to look forward. I want to bring the Party Together and find a leader that we can all get behind. Do what we told the American People to keep a speaker that will keep their word. Thats what we should be doing for the American People. Your bill on the backlog of rape kits, it has not gotten out of committee. Do you think whoever is the next speaker will be more moderate than mccarthy . I think the most important thing is that we get someone who will be honest. Who will keep their word. If we say were going to follow the law, there is a law from 1974, the Budget Impact and control act that says were supposed to have a budget. Were supposed to have 12 separate up or down spending bills. Thats good for the country. It is also good for both sides of the aisle. Because leadership will often, as you know, they skirt the law. They dont want to give the power back to the people. A select few, the most powerful, have all the say. They take that power away from the people and they avoid the law. When they avoid the spending bills. When we do the bills, theyre vetted through committee. You have time to read them and it is a full house process. Thats how the Constitution Works and it is good for everybody. Thats not an unreasonable ask. Im asking about womens issues, oversight, things that make sense to everybody on both sides of the aisle. Are you concerned that youll be expelled from the republican conference or kicked off your committees . Well, certainly, the eight of us that voted this way, if you want to have the gavel, if you want to move forward united, youre going to need our votes. I think if we look backward and punish people based on their principles, thats only going to further divide our conference. We have a lot of work to do. We promised the American People we would deliver results and we need to do that. I dont judge my colleagues for their votes or what their values are, or their principles are. Ive said it on your show. I am willing to work with anyone who is willing to work with me. So youre not worried about it. That means moving the ball forward. I am not today. Ive been in a lot of fights. I was the first woman to graduate from the citadel, the Military College in South Carolina. I will say, the establishment is coming after me. Ive had a lot of threats about my fundraising. Im asking people to go to my website at nancy mace. Org to show their support. There are folks that are coming after me tonight. Im glad you brought that up. In january when there were the marathon votes to get mccarthy this job, he was fighting to get the gavel. This is something that you said. That case is a fraud. Every time he voted against Kevin Mccarthy last week, he sent out a is 42ing email. What you saw is a constitutional process diminished by those kinds of political actions. Of course, now here we are in october. You and congressman gaetz are in agreement on at least ousting mccarthy. You were on a podcast the other day. Youve been fundraising off that vote. How do you explain that to now . Well, i have not been fundraising off this every step of the way. I made my decision last night. I made my decision to fundraise over the last 24 hours because of the threats that i have received over fundraising and money drying up, which is why i need help. The people, the establishment is coming of a me. Ive gotten a lot of threats from different members that they will withhold fundraising no matter what and i do need help from the people. I made that decision late last night because of everything going o. It is a genuine ask. If people want to support the effort, they can go to nancymace. Org. That podcast was one done by steve bannon. You once voted to hold him in Contempt Of Congress which he brought up today. Is he now advising you . No. I have consultants but he is not one of them. I will often make May Decisions on my own volition. I dont take pressure from the outside world or outside groups. Im not beholden to anyone anywhere in d. C. Im only beholden to the people and i make the decisions on my votes on my own. When you look at what you were saying in january, someone looks at what you said then and what you say now, if a critic says you were being hypocritical, how do you respond . Im taking it from the all sides. Because of the threats ive been receiving over the last couple weeks, it finally reached a point where ill let people that know that i need help and communicate that. This was not a calculated decision. It was based on the threats that ive been receiving in the last three or four weeks from fellow members, from different groups around washington and the country. I have to stand up and defend myself, defend my vote and it takes money to do that. And people can help me if they go to nancymace. Org. You dont think its hypocritical that you criticized the congressman for fundraising off his vote in january but youre fundraising after casting your vote last night to boost mccarthy from his job. I waited until after. That im calling at this time truth and what is actually going on. This is not a politically calculated decision. I didnt make this vote for political reasons. Did it out of principle. I want us to follow the law and be responsible with spending. That has come in a very raw way in the last 24 hours, that come with severe consequences. Are you getting a lot of back lash for that vote . I am getting back lash from everywhere right now. Im also getting a lot of support. Ive had folks call and hang up on me today. Ive been cursed out. Someone dropped an fbomb when i made the vote last night. You could hear the gasp on the floor for standing up for what i believe in. Ive learned that sometime it can be painful and quite lonely. Ive learned that very quickly in the last 24 hours. When it comes to who is going to be the next speaker, one thing that weve heard from some members, republicans, is that they want to reform the whole motion to vacate. It can be one vote to move to out of the speaker. Do you think that should stay as a house rule . It should stay as a house rule. This has been precedent for over 100 years until nancy pelosi changed the house rules when she was in charge. By and large, this has been around for over 100 years. Rarely used. And there is precedent in the house for having it as a rule. And again, this was a commitment that was made earlier this year. For my perspective, i care that womens issues, i care about balancing the budget, and i care about following the law. And following our rules. And its been around a very long time and we should keep it. Do you think it is ridiculous when some of your colleagues are saying that trump should be the House Speaker when he cant be the House Speaker . Well, yeah, i dont understand that. Why we would push a candidate that cannot be speaker right now. Thats their fight, not mine. But im looking at who can be the speaker. Im going to meet every candidate that throws their hat in the ring and i want to make sure that we get united next week and do it quickly. We have at love work to do. Certainly thats true. Of course, its paralyzed right now. It will be a busy week. Thank you for your time tonight. Thank you. Today we heard from the white house, President Biden, saying the dysfunction on capitol hill concerns him. The speaker drama did make him laugh a little bit. Whats your advice to the next House Speaker . [ laughter ] thats above my pay grade. Well get thoughts from another Senate Democrat when we come back. Plus, the new reporting prompting a fullthroated denial from Rudy Giuliani. I have an alcohol pem. I should be in the guinness book of world records. The House Of Representatives is at a complete standstill tonight, effecteverily unable to do any real Business Tonight until they choose a replacement for Kevin Mccarthy. The ukrainians are fighting to defend their homeland tonight. Tell leading contenders for the speakers gavel hold very different views on whether or not the u. S. Should continue to provide additional funding and weapons for ukraine. This is what jim jordan, one of those who has officially entered the race told manu raju today. Reporter what about ukraine . Are you willing to move forward with an aid package for ukraine if youre speaker . Im against that. With a i understand is at some point well have to deal with this appropriations process in the right way. Well try to do that in the next 41 days. The most pressing issue on americans minds isnt ukraine. It is the border situation and it is crime on the street. Reporter lets get straight to the source now with new jersey democratic senator cory booker. Thank you so much for joining me. When you look at what happened in washington last night, where this is going, how does the paralysis in the house affect your ability to function in the senate . Well, weve seen it already. Weve seen deals get done when it comes to mccarthy and schumer and Mitch Mcconnell and the president all agree on a big spending deal. Because of the, sort of intrans intelligence of a very narrow extreme minority, part of the republican caucus, the right wing, then mccarthy betrays the deal and walks away. It brings a lot of frustration when we are passing appropriation bills, getting things done in the senate in a bipartisan way, to have to come over hear. Even though theres a bipartisan majority for a lot of the common sense things americans need. To fulfill the full faith and credit of the united states. Mccarthy is unable to get it done because hes catering, or at least unable to get it done because hes catering to the small extreme minority. If hes unable to get it done, are you worried about what the person does who will take his place . Yeah. Im very worried. When you see a party who says, lets find it in the middle. Lets do the urgent things we have to do right now. Supporting ukraine and defending itself by this outrageous authoritarian invasion. Funding our government so that we can invest in the things from science and research, all the way to infrastructure and health care that we need to invest in. And doing the kinds of things we should be stepping up and doing together in this country, which frankly, 70 of americans agree on. So have this government be run by its extreme, a tail wagging the dog, is absurd to me and not just me but republicans in the house as well as the American People. And at least one of those is against supporting ukraine. Do you believe the aid to ukraine is in doubt . It is unclear, the democrats and republicans in the house, the Majority Stand against authoritarianism and for freedom. I know in the senate, the majority of us, republicans and democrats believe in standing with ukraine. Standing against putins unjust war and understanding that we dont stand here, the cost will be extraordinarily more expensive in the long run. We agree in the majority here. If the whole government will turn on a handful of people whose allegiance is not to america, not to freedom, not to democracy but to donald trump, theyre going to find ways to tear the house down if they dont get their way. Yeah, then we have a problem. It is existentially important that we stand with ukraine right now, we stand with democracy, we stand with freedom. If it was good enough for republicans when Ronald Reagan stood up against the then soviet empire, and said we are going to stand strong as a nation against this kind of authoritarian rule, it should be okay for todays republican party. Are you willing to hold up any bill that comes to the Senate Without that funding for ukraine in it . I have never seen the kind of resolve in my caucus, and i wish there were Public Meetings to see the passionate speeches given across the spectrum of may caucus in the senate about how the urgency we all see, people have quoted history, people stood up who had relatives who survived the holocaust. The speeches ive heard and the private meetings in the senate are so strong and in support of ukraine. And i know from talking to my republican colleagues that theres a strong support there as well. So i have every confidence that we will do whatever we