a very scary situation. you're all over it. thank you very much for bringing us that latest update. that's it for me and cnn prime time. cnn with laura coates starts right now. laura? >> thanks. good evening, everyone. i'm laura coates and i want you to stay with us for the breaking news on this 9-year- old girl. i'm the mother of a 9-year-old girl and this story felt very personal to so many mothers and fathers and people, human beings across this country when this little girl went missing on a camping trip two days ago when she was just riding her bike. she has been found safe tonight. we'll unpack all of it and talk to our experts and give you everything we know now that this little girl is safe. that's all coming up. i had been waiting also to talk to you all day long about day one of this trial against donald trump. he showed up. the cameras were let in for just long enough to catch the former president sitting at the defendants table. a few feet away from him was the attorney general, letitia james, who he has called racist and has condemned her for a very long time. a judge also a few feet away from him presiding over the entire trial and trump was late entering the courtroom because he was too busy insulting that judge in front of the cameras outside the courtroom. mind you, trump did not have to show up to this. in a state court case in new york you might be shocked to know it's not required for you to appear. remember, he didn't show up at the trial where he was accused by sexual misconduct by e. jean carroll. remember that? but this trial, one that could spell maybe the end of the trump business in new york, the one about his wealth and mind you, a quarter of a billion, yes, with a b, a quarter of a billion bucks, you better believe he was in that courtroom or was it the campaign trail that he was on? maybe a little bit of both because after all, this to me sounded a whole lot like what was going on at the courthouse was another stop on the campaign trail, at least outside. >> business for politics, now it's been very successful for them because they took me off the campaign trail because i've been sitting in a courthouse all day long instead of being in iowa, new hampshire, south carolina or a lot of other places i could be at. >> well, he did choose to be there all day long. there's no requirement to be there in the first place. there's no guarantee he'll actually be there over the next day or week or maybe even two to three months that the judge expects this takes to take. we heard from the attorney general today insisting that the trial is about just one thing. >> my message is simple. no matter how powerful you are, no matter how much money you think you may have, no one is above the law and it is my responsibility and my duty and my job to enforce it. >> how often have we heard this phrase about being above the law? i want to turn now as we are talking about diving deep into this very important conversation about yet another historic event today of the former president of the united states actually appearing in a courtroom in a courthouse for his own trial. we'll talk about that right now. i want to begin with litigation attorney a. scott boldin, roger severino, vice president of the heritage foundation and former doj trial attorney, cnn political analyst laura barone lopez. a lot to unpack today. i'll turn my shoulder to you a second, laura, but you know i love you, especially the name. when you think about the consequences of today and the gravitas of what is going on, we have become accustomed, i guess, to having this former president have legal trouble, but this one feels different. in fact, he was appearing for this trial. scott, what do you make of the first day of this trial? >> a political clown show. >> tell me how you really feel about this. >> i told you and others, i hope so, we'll probably disagree about other things later, but i've said his campaign or his criminal cases, this is a several civil case and his civil cases are his campaign, how he raises money. this was a political clown show, the attacks on letitia james and this judge who had his fate of multiple millions of dollars in their hands basically -- remember, they can negotiate a settlement on this -- but that would be about letitia james. the court could ultimately rule on these other six counts as well as how much money they'll give to the state of new york based on his finding of fraud and so attacking those two makes very little sense, but here again, his political statements, his lawyers' political statements and opening argument to a bench trial, not a jury, seemed to be misplaced, if you will, inappropriate, but that's what you get with donald trump when he goes to court because he didn't have to be there. remember, this is about the campaign, not about losing $250 million. >> of course, the judge shot down some of the comments by trump's lawyers saying we've already litigated some of these matters. it went to the appellate court. it came back down. we're here for this now post finding of fraud. one of the big arguments has been look, who are the victims here? the banks are not saying they got defrauded. they got a lot of their money, if not all of it, back. the trump legal argument defensively has been what's the big deal? it's not a requirement there be a victim, but is that going to hold water? >> there's a fundamental concept of law. no victim, no crime. where's the victim here? one of the banks made $40 million in interest. president trump paid all his bills. he paid every single thing he owed. never missed a payment. you're right. it is a political clown show, but the ringleader is letitia james, the attorney general. she's bringing this politically motivated campaign against president trump. she said she was going to get trump as part of her political campaign and tried to throw whatever would stick. she got a judge that is very compliant that is also out to get trump. it's very clear there's no victim. he said you don't need intent to actually defraud. we're talking about sophisticated banks. when he gave his numbers as to what do you value mar-a-lago, the judge said it was only $18 million, one of the most famous properties in america. he's putting his judgment over what the banks thought. the banks thought those numbers, whatever they thought of it, they thought it was fine to go forward with president trump because he paid all his bills. >> you had an issue with the actual statute because it does not require there be the victim, but the larger issue, we've all talked about so- called victimless crimes. what about prostitution? who's the victim? we talk about societal crimes, talk about drug cases as well. we have laws on the books that are so-called victimless, but on behalf of the people who are able to have the same tax perhaps evasion or insurance benefits, et cetera, what do you say to that that we do have so-called victimless crimes and we don't take those off the books? >> one thing we know for certain, had it not been president trump running for president and actually leading in the polls, there would be no prosecution. >> that's not true. >> there's no way any prosecutor would go after this without a victim. >> these investigations criminal and civil were ongoing before donald trump entered the race in november of '22. they were publicly known, if you will. donald trump entered the race while these investigations were goings on to prevent them and halt them or stymie them thinking because he was a candidate they would not go forward with these investigations. we make that argument you just made when i defend people who are committing mortgage fraud and have not failed on their mortgage. they've been getting paid, but there's not one state law that requires a victim. you get a victim statement in criminal cases, but nowhere on any book anywhere is that if you violate these laws, if you do persistent and repeated fraud, what do you do with that? you don't need a victim. you need social compliance, legal compliance because it makes us better as a society. that's not the argument. that's not a winning argument. >> i want to bring laura in here. i believe your opinion on this, too, because there has been a lot of discussions about this being political. trump himself called this a political witch hunt and insisted on being there today i think in part largely to your point, he believes this is all about a political witch hunt led by letitia james. there were moments it was hard to imagine whether it was a campaign moment or civil trial moment. how do you see it? >> the former president's argument since he launched his campaign has been everything is a persecution against him and that he is the ultimate victim, whether it's this case, the other investigations. he calls every single indictment he's faced persecution and that has been his entire campaign argument. he's running on that right now and he may very well ride that to the gop nomination because it appears that it does work for him in the primary. >> but there are a lot of dates in between that, including other trials and things happening. >> there are. >> he's 400 days away. >> it may help him in the primary, but in the general election is where that could break down because there are swing voters i talked to in battleground states who say they don't think they can vote for him, not just because of the indictments, but what they see as threats to democracy on his part and the campaign he's running. there's republican strategists i've talked to who said if he's indicted in -- sorry, if he's convicted in one of these cases, they think he'll definitely lose if it's him against biden. >> you disagree. >> this is a mockery of the justice system. it's been weaponized. it's a two-tier system. they wanted to get trump. look at the videos of letitia james. she found whatever she could to throw against him. this is a very weak case and would not have happened if he was not running for president. everybody knew he was running for president. i don't buy that a moment. this is a coordinated campaign. you see it in new york, georgia, d.c. in florida, irs with hunter biden. they're going after him because they're afraid he could get back in the white house. let the people decide and vote. you do use the justice system to do an end run around the process. that's what's going on. >> part of the issue is the bald assertions you're making, the idea i'm not certain there is any evidence to support several of the facts you've raised, that this is proof of weaponization, that they were going to have a coordination between letitia james and the fulton county d.a. fani willis. there have already been in new york that can belie your point, cy vance wanted to pursue criminal charges. alvin bragg decided not to. we'll have to see how this unfolds. your points are well taken about the politics, but i as a prosecutor need some meat on the bone. scott, roger, laura, not me this, laura, thank you so much. >> laura, i want to thank you. i also want to bring in someone who knows a lot about donald trump's finances. the author of the definitive guide of donald trump's net worth joins me now. bring me meat on the bone whether charges would have been brought before he announced for reelection or whatnot. there's been a lot of talk about the crux of his entire campaign, which is he is a wealthy and savvy billionaire to his supporters and to his opponents he's a fraud and not half the worth he claims. what's the truth here? >> you can be both here, a billionaire and widely lying about how rich you are. this case ultimately is a math question. the question is if you go through his assets and value what they're worth, do those values make sense? now you can argue about what the price per square foot is, for example, on a particular property, but you can't argue about how many square feet exist in that property. there are certain places here where trump has been aggressive and other places where he's just made stuff up. the prosecutors have all of the backup math trump used to get to his numbers and it's pretty easy to go through it asset by asset and see he was making a lot of stuff up. >> we have a guest on the panel today, roger, who was talking about -- i'm paraphrasing, of course -- but the idea of subjective valuation of dollars as well. the judge found mar-a-lago only worth $18 million to $27 million citing a palm beach county assessor and his lawyers say it's worth over 1 billion. in part they're talking about it being a brand, but you say it's worth over $325 million. i don't have property like this, but how can there be such a wide range for how much a property is actually 200? >> mar-a-lago is the hardest property to value in donald trump's portfolio. it's not worth $18 million and not worth $1 billion. if you talk to people who value that market, they'll tell you widely varying figures, anywhere from 100 to $200 million to maybe $700 million. that's a huge, huge gap. we look at the financials and other trades in the neighborhood and there are some detractions against this property because you can't subdivide it into a bunch of houses and that sort of thing. ultimately that's how we come up with $325 million. if you told me tomorrow that place sold for 200 million, i wouldn't be shocked. if you said 500 million, i wouldn't be shocked. they're being very strategic focusing on this particular asset for two reasons, one, there's so much variability in it which there isn't in other assets and, two, the attorney general took an aggressive position and to be clear, the judge did not take that position. the judge merely said this is what the county valued at. this is what trump's people are valuing it at. there's a huge discrepancy. this is one of the weak points of the a.g.'s case and one point where our math got a little too aggressive. >> i can imagine many people don't have the so-called comps of mar-a-lago to be able to figure out exactly how much it's worth, but your reporting broke down trump's net worth and new york city real estate makes up the second biggest bucket. how much does he stand to lose if he is barred from doing business in new york state? >> well, those assets would be sold. one of the big questions is what the process would be for selling those assets. i think one asset to keep an eye on is 40 wall street. this is a building in downtown new york. it does have a pretty significant loan against it and it has a big problem, technically called a leasehold. in other words, donald trump doesn't own the land. he gets to operate the building and collect the profits. the rent he has to pay to the german family, the land owners, skyrockets ten years from now. that basically makes that property sort of a ticking time bomb. if he were to try to sell that, an investor might look at that as oh, this might be a fire sale. if he has to sell that under duress from the new york attorney general or the court, then it's sort of an extreme fire sale and he could end up in trouble on that loan. the important thing to remember about donald trump's finances is he does have a significant amount of cash. his best defense in this case is about $425 million. that's roughly the amount of cash he has. even if they force him to pay say a quarter of a billion dollars, it's going to be very painful and it's going to limit his ability to, for example, borrow against his buildings in the future and figure out what to do with expiring loans on office buildings, but he can handle that hit and he won't walk away from this a poor man. >> dan alexander, rich people problems now, thank you so much. >> thank you. coming up, a frantic search in new york state, a 9-year-old girl who went missing while on a camping trip with her family just two days ago, everyone, she has been found safe. the governor, kathy hochul, just releasing some brand-new details. that breaking news is next. our breaking news, a 9-year- old girl who vanished two days ago while camping with her family in upstate new york has been found safe. charlotte sena is in good health and the suspect is in custody. here's governor kathy hochul on the moment the case started to break early this morning. >> 4:20 a.m. a car pulls up to a mailbox. something is left. state police immediately go to the mailbox and identify what is a ransom note that was left behind for charlotte. state police worked diligently trying to find a match for a fingerprint. first one tried wasn't successful. second one was to identify any other prints from the new york state database that would be a match. the hit came at 2:30 in the afternoon. there had been a dwi in 1999 in the city of saratoga. a fingerprint was found that matched what was found on the ransom note. >> isn't that unbelievable? truly, according to the governor, governor hochul, the suspect is believed to have personally delivered the ransom note to the home of this little girl's parents. i want to bring in cnn's chief law enforcement and intelligence analyst john miller and also cnn national security analyst juliette kyam. we're all parents and anything about how horrible this story could have turned out, how we've all been accustomed unfortunately to seeing stories like this in the news and praying for the safe return of a child and here we have it today, but the facts of this case, john, unbelievable, a hand delivered ransom notes to charlotte's parents mailbox at 4:00 a.m. there were fingerprints on that note that helped each the suspect. talk to me about the turn of events and that very crucial key piece of evidence. >> well, when state police are watching the house, they see the note delivered. the first question you get is why didn't they stop the car? this is not terribly uncommon, which is people like network news people and others are leaving messages for the family. well wishers are leaving cards. when they looked at that piece of mail and sent it to the state police lab, they fumed it looking for a print. the first print wasn't a quality to get an id. the second time they got a quality print you could put into the automated fingerprint identification system for new york state. it runs it against every print from anybody who has been arrested on a felony or been in state prison and they came up with a match. then they take the note and its meaning. they take the print they lifted from it. they cross-index that with cellular phone records from the towers around the park at the time and they see this triangulates. we've got somebody in the area at the time of the abduction or at least their phone was. we've got this print off the letter, a possible ransom demand and then it was from 2:30 this afternoon developing the tactical information because making an entry, you need that element of surprise, speed, violence of action and you also have to remember there's a child in there. >> right. >> you don't know what the conditions of how that child may be being held are or even to speak the unspeakable, you know, if the child is still alive. so they made an entry plan. they executed the entry plan. they found her in a cabinet covered up with some kind of blanket. she knew she was being rescued and they got her to the albany hospital where she was reunited with her parents. >> unbelievable. >> as you said, laura, this is for a parent whose child goes missing where the odds are as you enter the second day they're increasing you may never see that child again alive, this is like getting your whole life back again. >> unbelievable. you can't even describe the feeling this family must be feeling right now. hochul says the suspect was living in a camper behind his parents' home. the cell phone pinged in the area. that helped authorities trace the suspect. as john pointed out, they didn't necessarily follow that car, but one of the reasons to think about this is you don't want to sometimes the suspect into never knowing where the person they're holding might ultimately be and then you're lost and at the mercy of the person who may choose to speak to you, but talk to me about the role of technology in a search like this. >> yes. look, this is of with those sort of issues where your fear makes this seem like this is sort of a chronic problem. i want to put it in perspective. fortunately in the united states now we have 350 -- i'm not going to say only -- 350 abductions like this a year at least as of 2018 and most of them don't end up this successfully. that's why i think there is interest in this. it's just that this is your worst fear and part of this is modern technology. how are we able to do this now. think of the combination of things. first of all, you have the fingerprints then matched to an older database which you have the suspect in there for some random crime in a different jurisdiction not related to this particular crime. you then have the pings from the cell phones. that's relatively new technology in the sense of our ability to in realtime assess where is the network connecting and then we can target where the suspect is. >> did that require them to have the subpoena? was that the cell phone company was helping in any way? >> the cell phone company would give this up voluntarily if this was an emergency situation. they don't know if the girl is dead. it depends. this is an ongoing crime. the cell phone company, what they're capturing now is where he may have moved. what john was saying is really important. it's this idea we don't know if she's alive at the time that you approach the suspect and you don't want to kill him if she is alive because if she's alive and not with him, you got to figure out where she is. so the success of this is also in sort of the approach to the suspect. she is fortunately there and then the last element, which is also relatively new, we're used to it now, but in john and my's lifetime is relatively new is the crowd sourcing of this investigation is that law enforcement is much more willing now to come out with details they may have to figure out if people have seen someone, heard someone, saw something suspicious given the nature of what happened. she was abducted off of her bike in a park when she wasn't far from people that she was bike riding with. so it's a story of technology and modern investigation and also just a good news story and we need one every once in a while. >> certainly we're all thinking about this little girl, just 9 years old and the family. i'm from minnesota and remember when in st. cloud a young boy by the name of jacob wetterling was taken from his bike when he was riding with his brother and companion and his mother went on to serve in congress, patty wetterling and fighting for stories to take place, that did not happen for her son. i'll never forget that as a parent or child growing up with that fear in me. juliette, john, thank you so much. >> thanks, laura. >> thank you. bye. we've got some breaking news tonight on congressman henry cuellar who was carjacked in washington, d.c. tonight, the details ahead. you're probably not easily persuaded to switch mobile providers for your business. but what if we told you it's possible that comcast business mobile can save you up to 75% a year on your wireless bill versus the big three carriers? 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>> thank you very much for having me. i don't know. the resolution or whatever you might call it that was introduced tonight, it will go through the regular order of things. our caucus will be meeting on its regular schedule tomorrow morning and i suspect leader hakeem jeffries will bring us up to date on exactly what may be going on between him and the speaker. so nobody knows where this is going. it's a civil war within the republican party and i don't know that democrats are obliged to help this out. i do feel, though, that the country's business needs to get done and we know that on the international front there's a lot that needs to be done about ukraine and other places with nato. there's a lot that needs to be done on the domestic front and we should be thinking about the people and put these political issues behind us. we'll have to wait and see. >> certainly there is a lot of work to be done for the reasons you've named. one impediment to that is the politics and being able to have function, not dysfunction in congress, but in terms of mccarthy for help to be speaker of the house, they'll meet tomorrow morning and discuss these aspects of it. would democrats offer mccarthy a kind of a lifeline and what could democrats possibly demand in return because it is in some respects maybe a game of leverage, sir? >> well, i think what we saw with the vote for the continuing resolution was a bipartisan approach to this. for anything to get done going forward on the house side will require a bipartisan vote and so i think that if this civil war continues, it will be time for speaker mccarthy, as i've been saying for several weeks now, to sit down with leader jeffries and discuss how we can do in the bipartisan way the nation's business. >> has he been refusing to this point, congressman, to meet with jeffries on these important issues? >> i have no idea. i doubt very seriously that the lines of communication have been closed. i think they're wide open. i have not been privy to any of those meetings, but i'm sure something has taken place between the two. >> speaking of conversations that are happening, congressman clyburn, your fellow congressman matt gaetz is alleging speaker mccarthy made, his words, a secret side deal with president biden on ukraine funding. speaker mccarthy denies that secret deal. has a deal been made on ukraine funding? >> i have no idea about that as well. if there's a secret between the speaker and the president, it's a secret. >> has there been a discussion between yourself as member of leadership and hakeem jeffries and mccarthy or is any conversation happening about ukraine? >> not that i know of. i'm sure the president has made it very clear the funding for ukraine is something that he wants very badly and i cannot see him agreeing to anything, but funding for ukraine, maintaining our place in the nato alliance and maintaining our leadership role around the world. so it's no secret that's what the president wants and i doubt very seriously if he's going to agree to anything that falls short of that. >> speaking of agreements, for the second time in three months, congressman, the government has been brought really to the brink and the only problem and the problem is only being pushed to now 45 days from now the can's been kicked. a lot of people are wondering why can't congress work together to solve the problems in realtime in an expedited way? what's the answer? >> well, i don't think this is unusual at all. >> but that's the point. it's not unusual. it's every year about the 11th hour. >> yes. that's the way we do things and it didn't start with this congress and it's not going to end with this congress. the history of the country is such that a democracy sometimes get a bit messy and we have to really give everybody an opportunity to be heard. i tell people all the time if you're looking for efficiency in government, you want one- person rule. you're looking for effectiveness in government, you want everybody to come to the table. so the more people you bring to the table, the more discussions you're going to have, the more opinions will be put forward and then you will have a harder time bringing together. nobody wants one-person rule. at least we shouldn't. >> very thought provoking point indeed, congressman james clyburn. thank you so much for joining us this evening. >> thank you so much for having me. >> well, you heard congressman clyburn. he says this isn't unusual and people do need to be heard. my next guest is a former gop congressman who has a very different message for his party. it's grow up. well, a shutdown narrowly averted again only to create a breakdown in republican ranks. today one former republican congressman has a message for his party. grow up. former south carolina representative bob ingles joins me now. i read your very compelling op ed in which you have a strong message for your colleagues in the house and republican party to grow up. i wonder if that is your message to them and to matt gaetz in particular. >> yes, it is. you can't expect to get exactly what you want in congress and to do so is to misunderstand that it's out of many one. that's our national motto. so he's really sort of missing the point of that i think and acting a little bit like an authoritarian separatist, sort of like my way or the highway and he wants to be separated from what is the governing majority. >> in some respects politically that has been fruitful. that may be one of the reasons people believe they can do that, but you wrote candidly about what you see as your own shortcomings you say when you were in office. so what do representatives in the country lose when people govern in that philosophy of us versus them? >> yeah. we really have gone way down that lane, haven't we, of saying that the other side is evil, you know, and full of demons and the others that we must slay. that's really a dangerous thing. it's okay to disagree with people and to present your views, but this demonization is what's got to change. i think what this is, it works because you can play to the activist in your own party and they feel oh, great, we've got a gladiator up there that's going to go fight for us in this terrible war we've got going on. well, that's no real way to run a country, you know, because we all face these big questions, you know. we have huge demographic change, technological changes coming at us, climate change, of course, all these things that are real. we've got a terrible debt. all these things we need to address and they're probably going to be addressed together rather than pulling apart. >> as you say, out of many one. we'll see if your party and, frankly, all members of congress heed your logic. thank you so much, former congressman bob inglis and your piece in the "new york times." >> great to be with you. >> thank you all for watching! our coverage continues. the power goes out and we still have wifi to do our homework. and that's a good thing? 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