Rory mcillrage. Cnns State Of The Union starts right now. Crises averted. A Surprise Deal to stave off a Government Shutdown. The bill is passed. But after the House Speaker makes a deal with democrat, will republican hardliners try to oust him . Bring it. The republican leading that charge, florida Congressman Matt Gaetz is here. Democratic congresswoman alexandria ocasiocortez will join me. Plus, upping the ante. Former President Trump ramps up his violent rhetoric. If you rob a store, you can fully to be shot as you are leaving that store. Reporter but as more former aides warn hes unfit for office, does he have the gop nomination all sewn up . Our Political Panel will discuss. And trailblazer, an outpouring of affection for the late senator, Dianne Feinstein. She left on her own terms. Reporter what you might not have known about her when her friend House Speaker nancy pelosi joins me ahead. Hello. Im jake tapper in washington, where the state of our union is open, for at least 45 more days. Today, our service men and women do not have to worry about missing any paychecks. Tsa agents, do, National Parks remain open after House SpeakerKevin Mccarthy caught almost everyone offguard saturday with a plan to work with House Democrats to keep the u. S. Government open, without demanding any of the spending cuts hard line House Republicans had been demanding just one day earlier, as republicans are trying to collect themselves after stepping on rake after rake this week. And democrats are taking a victory lap after what was by any objective measure an embarrass week for the gop. The end week buys mccarthy to settle a raging disagreement within his conference over spending and more to the point, over his leadership. But his gambit could also put his job on the line, as a handful of hard liners consider whether to follow through on their threat to oust mccarthy from the speakership for working with democrats to pass a clean spending bill. Joining me now is the man leading that charge against Speaker Mccarthy, republican Congressman Matt Gaetz of florida. Thank you so much for joining us. Really appreciate it. So you have been threatening to topple mccarthy, issue a motion to vacate the speakership if he worked with democrats to fund the government with a clean cr, a clean Government Spending bill, which is exactly what he did on friday and saturday. The house gavels back in tomorrow at noon. Are you going to make a motion to vacate . Speaker mccarthy made an agreement with House Conservatives in january, and since then he has been in brazen, repeated Material Breach of that agreement. This agreement that he made with democrats, to really blow past a lot of the spending guardrails we had set up is the last straw. And overnight i learned that Kevin Mccarthy had a secret deal with democrats on ukraine. As he was baiting republicans to vote for a continuing resolution without ukraine money, saying that we were going to jam the senate in ukraine, he turns around and makes a secret deal. I know you and i probably have different views on u. S. Involvement in ukraine, but however you think about that question, it should be subject to open review and analysis and not backroom deals. Is a motion to vacate tomorrow . I do intend to file a motion to vacate the Speaker Mccarthy this week. I think we need to rip off the bandaid. The one thing everybody has in common is no one trusts mccarthy. He lied to biden, he lied to house conservators. He had appropriators marking to another number altogether. And the reason we were backed up against this Shutdown Politics is not a bug of system, its a future. Kevin mccarthys goal was to make multiple contradictory problems, delay everything, back us up against Shutdown Politics, and at the end of the day blow past the spending guardrails hed agreed to. So how many House Republicans do you think will be with you in your motion to vacate. Obviously, you need 218 votes to get him out of the speakership. You dont have 218 republican votes. Youll need democrats. Lets start with the republicans. How many republicans do you have . Well, enough so that when you host this show next week, if Kevin Mccarthy is still the speaker of the house, he will be serving at the pleasure of the democrats. He will be working for the democrats. The only way Kevin Mccarthy is speaker of the house at the end of this coming week is if democrats bail him out. Now, they probably will. I actually think that when you believe in nothing, as Kevin Mccarthy does, everythings negotiable but lets and im sure hell make a deal with the democrats. But if you succeed in vacating him, you also will have to make a deal with the democrats. You also will have to get democratic votes to kick him out. Absolutely, i will make to deal with democrats and concede no terms to them. I actually think that democrats should vote against Speaker Mccarthy for free. I dont think i should have to so youre not going to cut any deals with them . Absolutely not. And i dont think that any republicans that share my view on Speaker Mccarthy would cut deals with democrats, but heres the thing. Im done owning ing kevin mcca. We made a deal at the end of january to allow him to assume the speakership, and im not owning him anymore because he doesnt tell the truth. The democrats want to own Kevin Mccarthy by bailing him out, i cant stop them, but then hell be their speaker, not mine. Lets talk about what just happened this week, the Government Shutdown. Obviously, as you know, youve made a lot of enemies this last week. Im talking about House Republicans. Im not talking about democrats or the media, im talking about House Republicans. Theyre pretty angry. Take a listen. Unfortunately, a handful of people, and in particular, a party of one, matt gaetz, have chosen to put his own agenda, his own personal agenda above all else. Hes not a conservator republican, hes a charlatan. They killed the most conservative we could take and called themselves the realaeal conservatives. Like, make that make sense. The wall street Journal Editorial Board called it a Government Shutdown for dummies, and among the criticisms, the real goal of the malcontent seems to be tom mr. Mccarthy for personal spite. Its also personally stupid with failure foreordained. The gaetz republicans are playing personal games. What do you say to these conservatives, these republicans . Well, i think whats really stupid is sitting atop a 33 trillion debt facing 2. 2 trillion annual deficits, while the world is dedollarizing. Just in august, you saw the bric system that is moving away from the dollar add six new countries, including golf monarchies, including even some of the g20 economies for people at home, bric is brazil, russia, india, china. Yeah and theyre moving away from the dollar. U. S. News just last month said dedollarization was the Economic Trend of our day. Some people try to make Policy Disagreements personal, because their own Policy Failures are so personally embarrassing. But this isnt personal, jake. This is about spending, this is about the deal Kevin Mccarthy made. If Kevin Mccarthy didnt want to keep the deal to return to precovid spending, if he didnt want to keep the deal to have singlesubject Spending Bills, not vote for Government Spending, all up or down at once, he shouldnt have made that deal. This is about keeping Kevin Mccarthy to his word. Its not about any personal animus. Lets talk about this. Speaker mccarthy argues that he had a bill on friday that would have put forward less spending than what actually has now become the law for the next 45 days. That would have gone to the senate. The senate would have voted for their own bill, and then in conference committee, there would have been negotiation, and what would have become the Law Of The Land for the next 45 days would have been less spending than what actually is now the bill. Take a listen to Speaker Mccarthy. And look, i welcome those 21 back in, and we would get a better and more Conservative Bill if they would simply vote with us. Their argument is, your point about debt and deficit spending, which is not an inaccurate point, was actually harmed by this stunt, by the Temper Tantrum of the goth shutdown. Well, that argument presupposes that the senate was going to take up or conference that bill that mccarthy wanted. You already had schumer speaking on the floor, saying that they werent even going to take that but there would have been a conference committee, and there would have been a negotiation. First of all, what youre saying is that something would have occurred that has never occurred to negotiate a continuincontinue ing resolution. I have never seen a conference committee, and i dont think one has occurred since the mid90s, where a continuing resolution has ever been conferenced. Youre asking your viewers to believe something that has never once happened. What has happened is the senate merely negotiates the feature of that continuing resolution, by sending back what they want to send back. Which is what they did. So we were always ending up here. Heres where i want to break the fever. Since the mid90s, this country has been governed by either continuing wez lugs or omnibus spending bill. And you have voted for continuing resolution in the past. Im five years sober in voting for continuing resolutions. And in those years, President Trump was growing the economy. And growing the deficit as well. I regret and growing the deficit as well. What did he add, 7 trillion, 8 trillion to the National Debt . Donald trump . And i voted against ten continuing resolutions under donald trump. I did not stand with donald trump on all of his spending priorities. I voted against my point is, i dont know what this shutdown did to help the cause what shutdown . The shutdown that almost happened but there wasnt a shutdown. The threat of shutdown that you created you have to break the fever. We have to move to singlesubject so you broke a fever . No, we didnt, unfortunately. Thats why we have to now move to vacate, because we have to get a system where the house and senate will negotiate over each of those agencies of government independently. And i understand in divided government, that means you have to take into account the views of Senate Democrats, the views of the house. You do . You understand that . Of course of course youre on the floor of the house talking about what Kevin Mccarthy needs to do is throw line item vetoes by people like you thats not true. Line item votes against the salaries of people who are investigating donald trump. The salaries of individuals who are offering Sweetheart Deals to hunter biden. That to me is not the language of somebody who understands the Balance Of Power and house in the senate and how all legislation actually functions. That is that to me is the language of somebody who is looking for clicks and likes and fox hits, not somebody who actually is trying to reduce the debt. You might want to check fox. I havent been hitting there as much recently. What i can tell you is the way the legislative process works, as a 12year lawmaker in the state and federal level, the house passes legislation, the Senate Passes legislation, and then you work to iron out those differences. I believe the best way to advance the interests of the American People is for the house to take the most conservative position and engage that negotiation. Where that negotiation has failed all americans of all stripes is when it centers around what ornament youre going to hang on a continuing resolution or an omnibus bill. The responsible, sober, adult way to handle this is with individual Spending Bills, open to amendment. And by the way, if people dont want to vote for the amendments that reduce salaries or cut spending or engage in programmatic analysis, they can vote no and the voters can hold people accountable. The reason we sit atop a 8. 3 trillion debt, a system has been designed in washington, d. C. Where no one is responsible for the spending. I want to enforce the votes. Heres what youre missing. Mccarthy agreed to this. You may not like this deal. You may think that its too many votes and too much governing, but mccarthy agreed to it in january and his breach i dont have an opinion on it one way or another. I actually agree with your position on the fact that we spent ive been here long before you were born, my friend. We spend way too much and we dont take in. 100 . I agree. But where are you when it comes to Senate Democrats who actually controlled the senate and the president and you could force the president s hand, if you actually worked with Senate Democrats and got some sort of bill in front of him. Thats how you force it. In the time ive been here, we have not been able to cleave Senate Democrats away from president biden. How many Senate Democrats do you know . How many do you talk to . Ive talked to several of them. G i go over to the senate as many as many House Republicans. Ive talked to senator manchin, talked to senator sinema. Ive had a number of republicans one last question its really important you get the point. Im okay with bipartisan negotiation. I just want it to be on singlesubject Spending Bills, not on a global deal that funds the whole government or doesnt z the Appropriation Bills are going through the process at a snails pace until i held a political gun to mccarthys head and forced the congress to stay until midnight to take to these you should talk to the appropriations committee. There are four members of the by the way, the Appropriations Chairman left the meeting we were having to iron these things out to go to a lavious fundraiser. The reason you talk about this being about the issue and not animus because there are a lot of House Republicans that think that there is this personal animus between you and Speaker Mccarthy. And i have to ask you, how much do you blame Speaker Mccarthy for the fact that you are under investigation by the House Ethics Committee . How much is that part of whats going on here . Not at all, jake. I am the most investigated man in the United States congress. Ive been cleared by the doj, the fec by a 50 vote, and the people who spread criminal lies about me are sitting in federal prison right now miami fine being investigated by anyone but i have seen personal communications between you and other people in which you blame mccarthy for your ethics investigation. When Kevin Mccarthy went out publicly and said, this isnt about me breaking my word, its because gaetz has ethics problems, certainly, that was him gaslighting the Ethics Committee. But heres the thing, jake, im not alone. People can say, this is a party of one. I have tens of millions of americans who stand with me on this, and i have a requisite number of House Republicans, a sufficient number to ensure that we dont own Kevin Mccarthy anymore. By weeks end, he will either not be speaker or he will be Speaker Serving at the pleasure of House Democrats. To be continued. Well see what happens Congressman Matt Gaetz, thanks so much for being here. Thanks for having me. Will House Democrats khelp keep Kemvin Mccarthy keep his job. But first, well talk to a barrierbreaking member of congress,