meddling case has issued a ruling. she will not recuse herself despite donald trump's request. what this means for the case going forward. also tonight, seven of trump's republican primary rivals are preparing to debate without him once again. the gop front-runner skipping the race off to focus on the battleground state of michigan and his potential rematch with president biden. and senator bob menendez pleads not guilty to bribery charges as more and more of his fellow democrats are clambering for him to resign. we are tracking the growing legal and political pressure on him right now. welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world. wolf blitzer is off today. i'm pamela brown and you're in "the situation room." and we start with the breaking news. federal judge tanya chutkan, who is overseeing donald trump's federal 2020 election subversion criminal case, will not disqualify herself from the matter, rejecting a long shot bid from the former president's legal team. evan perez is digging into this. so tell us, evan, what are you learning? >> well, this was always a very, very long shot chance for the former president to try to get this judge off of this case. she rejected it handily. she said that the statement that she has made from the bench which was one of the reasons why the trump lawyers were citing, called into question whether she could be impartial in overseeing this case, she says that that really doesn't hold water. she cited a number of cases where you know, she has been according to the trump team, she's been harsh. she made comments about the fact the former president had not yet been held accountable and points out that those were in response to things that were being done inside, in those court cases. again, not reaching the level where you could say that she was, she was not being impartial or where she could not carry out her duties to oversee this case. look, this is something that the trump team was using, really, for, to try to make a marker for when they get to a point where they may want to appeal whatever verdict comes out of this, right. the former president's legal team is trying to build a number of things that they can use whenever they go up on appeal. so this is one of them. this was always, like i pointed out, very long shot effort because judges almost never recuse themselves from these cases. now, one of the things still outstanding is for the judge overseeing this case, pamela, to rule on the prosecution's motion to silence trump. to try to make sure that the former president is at least restricted in some of the things that he can say on social media about this case. so that's also part of the picture that's happening here is the former president was making this effort to recuse herself, to recuse the judge, as part of a larger strategy in this case. pamela? >> all right, evan perez, thanks so much. i'm loving legal news surrounding donald trump tonight. happened today. but yesterday's ruling really wasn't that surprising. actually, it was, and it's really fair to say no one expected at this juncture for the judge to order that some of trump's new york entities be dissolved. so right now, today in court, there's really a lot of questions about what is going to happen. trump's attorneys especially want to know what this is going to look at. they said they want more time to fi figure that out. as the judge said the civil trial, which is expected to get started next week. to discuss more of trump's financials, could end with him losing his fortune, that will begin on time. >> the trump empire. >> you're fired. >> which americans binged in the hit show, the apprentice. >> i've been successful in every business i've been in. >> helped catapult donald trump to political stardom. >> congratulations, mr. president. >> and the presidency, may not be all it seemed according to a ruling by a new york judge tuesday, donald trump committed fraud for years. the ruling largely siding with the new york attorney general. >> donald trump falsely inflated his net worth by billions of dollars to unjustly enrich himself and to cheat the system, there by cheating all of us. >> she brought a civil lawsuit against trump, his sons and the trump organization in 2022. the judge finding they inflated the value of trump properties, golf courses, hotels, and homes to secure loans, ultimately building their fortune. take the trump triplex apartment in new york city. the president noted it's three times bigger than it actually is, creating an overvaluation up to $207 million according to the judge. mar-a-lago found to be inflated by more than half a billion dollars. a discrepancy magnified by a real estate developer can only be considered fraud, the judge wrote. adding the trumps are living in a fantasy world. not the real world. >> it is a vsledgehammer to trup and the entire organization in new york. >> and now, trump's new york empire will likely shrink. the judge canceling the business certification and assigning an independent party to dissolve entities like the tower in new york city and a family compound in westchester county. how that process will play out is still being determined by the court and could take time. >> he is in a world of hurt on the business side. stronger so far than anything that's happened on the criminal side. >> trump lashed out on truth social saying it is a great company that is been slandered by this politically motivated witch hunt. he's appealing the ruling. for james, it's a win on one claim of several filed in the suits, paving the way for the trumps to possibly owe the state big bucks. >> there could be a slight hiccup in the start of the trial. that is an appeal. we are expecting a ruling sometime this week. >> thank you so much. let's get into the serious implications for trump with our legal and our political experts. norm, i want to start with you. on this breaking news just coming into the situation room. what do you make of judge chutkan's ruling, not recusing herself? you also know her very well, we should note. >> it's the correct ruling as a matter of law, pam. a judge only has to step aside if a reasonable person would question her impartiality. here, the comments that donald trump and his lawyers pointed to that supposedly gave rise to the conflict were routine responses to sentencing issues in january 6th cases mentioning trump. there was no basis to recuse. her ruling is right on. >> we heard evan lay this out, joey. it was a long shot attempt by trump in the first place, but why would a judge even recuse herself? >> good evening, pamela. i think the basis of this issue was whether or not there's an impartiality and whether that could be called into question such that it would impair your judgment to evaluate the case. and based upon what this judge did, pamela, with respect to sentencing, january 6th defendant, she was making comments that were appropriate to those defendants. not so much indicating that she had a bias towards mr. trump. so predicated upon the legal standard of that impartiality, this did not meet the mark. this being the arguments that trump lawyers made. i think it was an appropriate decision based upon the law and the standard which would require resu recusal. that was not met. >> there's a lot going on with donald trump. back to the new york case. i want to bring in jamie. the new york case is where we find trump's business empire in jeopardy based on this judge's ruling yesterday. how personal is this for trump, whose brand is everything to him. >> pamela, it couldn't get any more personal. this is exactly the kind of thing that triggers donald trump. i was talking to michael cohen once trump's long time lawyer and he told me, and this was actually months ago, that the way to get to, as he calls him, donald, would not be all of these criminal cases. not the 91 counts. he said it's a civil case. when you go after donald trump on money, on property, on business, and this is also his image. his brand. this is the kind of thing that michael cohen says this hurts him where it counts, pam. >> and norm, on that note, let's talk about where it could hurt him. where it counts in the future of trump's business and his properties. when even the judge seems unsure about the full impact of his ruling. help us understand that. >> well, the fundamental idea here in new york law is if you are a business owner or business and you persistently engage in fraud, you lose your right to do business. it's tantamount to, it's not exactly is same as, but it's close to what we call the corporate death penalty. in the, that case, when you have a fraudulent business, and the judge found that there were a series of trump businesses that qualified this way and trump and his families qualified for this pattern of fraud, then a receiver is appointed and the businesses are dissolved. they're managed then eventually sold. that's what's happening here. it is a very unusual, and that's why the judge is trying to feel his way forward. >> yeah. there's still the looming question, right? what will this mean for his most famous properties? mar-a-lago, trump tower. remains to be seen. but jamie on the politics of all of this, you know, trump support has only gone up since his criminal indictments. do you think the political fallout of this civil case will be the same? >> we don't know yet but as you said, all of these other indictments, he's actually been going up in the polls. and his supporters, his base, when you ask them why they continue to support him in the face of all these indictments, there is a phrase you hear over and over again. they're just out to get him. i think this may be, and i'm going to stress may be, slightly different because this goes to the brand. the judge used the word, fraud. so does this chip away at his image so that some of those supporters are not so enthusiastic? >> it's a worthy question. jamie, norm, joey, thank you. just ahead on the situation room, what's next for u.s. soldier travis king as he returns home from north korea and why did kim jong-un's regime let him go? and later, senator menendez pleads not guilty to bribery charges as the number of fellow democrats calling for his resignation soars with the exception of one prominent senate democrat. tonight, the u.s. soldier who fled into north korea two months ago is on his way back home after the communist regime decided to quote, expel him. alex has more on the release of private travis king. >> travis king now on his way home after bolting across the heavily guarded border into north korea back in july, which u.s. officials say he did willfully and without authorization. on wednesday, north korean state media suddenly announced that 23-year-old king would be expelled following what they called an investigation which king supposedly admitted he crossed in illegally. >> the united states has secured the return from the people's republic of korea. >> now, the u.s. expects to learn what drove private king's dramatic escapade, as well as details on his more than two months in custody. multiple countries had undertaken intense diplomacy to free king and that sweden played a pivotal role. >> we thank sweden and the people's republic of china for their assistant in facilitating that transfer. >> king was taken from north korea to the friendship bridge in china where he was met by the american ambassador. from there, he flew to china and on to the u.s. air base in south korea before flying back to the united states. >> we expect him to arrive in the coming hours. >> the he did. >> this is really, really hard on my mom, you know. his room is still in her house. >> wlenhen he fled from the airt in seoul, he had been ordered back to texas to face discipline after pleading guilty in south korea to assault for which he was sentenced to 50 days of labor in south korea. there's still a big question as to whether king will face more discipline and punishment. we are told by a senior administration official those questions will be addressed after king is back on what this official called solid footing after the reintegration process. >> thank you so much, alex. appreciate it. for more on this story, i'm joined by jane lee, former pyongyang bureau chief for the associated press. and sumi terry, a former white house official and north korea analyst for the cia. sue, how unusual is it for north korea to release an american detainee like this without really any gain for them? >> well, you're right. because normally, there's high level engagement. like we would have to send a high level u.s. government official to get an american out. so it is unusual. but i think i have to say you know, probably because north koreans thought there is not much value with keeping him after having debriefed him, spent a few months, and probably figured out he really doesn't have high intelligence value or propaganda value, but it is noteworthy that they have decided to release him at this point. >> jean, what do you think is behind north korea's moves here? why didn't it have any interest in continuing to detain travis king in your view? >> we should remember that it is also a burden on north korea to hold on to americans. i would like to think that north koreans may have learned a thing or two from the detention of otto, a university of virginia student who was sentenced to many years hard labor for taking down a poster. what the north koreans called an anti-state crime. of course, he fell into a coma, died not long after his release was negotiated. so i'd like to think the north koreans also find it a burden to have an american in their custody and perhaps as sue mentioned, realized this was not going to be to anyone's benefit and certainly not perhaps to the young man who is somewhat troubled. >> and he is now getting medical treatment or he will get medical treatment and start to reacclimate. once he gets that, what will u.s. officials be looking for to learn from him? how valuable is information he could share, sue? >> well, he did spend a number of months in north korea so he would be extensively debriefed and we'll be asking a lot of questions. every little detail matters. what happened to him. what kinds of questions north koreans asked him. how he was treated because as jean said, we have this experience with otto. so we'll be interested in knowing how he was treated. was he tortured? treated well? every detail matters. north korea is one of the countries, one of the most unn unknowable countries and has been on lockdown for the last several years. >> all right, thanks to you both. and come up, while seven republican presidential hopefuls take the debate stage in just a few hours, donald trump is in a key battleground state trying to appeal to a certain group of voters. you're watching "the situation room." is it possible my network could take my business to the next level? it is with comcast business. powering all your devices with gig-speed wifi. and you get fast downloads and uploads. pick it up! pick it up! oh we got this! because it's powered by the next generation 10g network. more speed for your business? 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>> pamela, the strategy here is there an indication we've seen from the trump campaign they are now looking ahead towards this general election. we knew he was going to skip the debate. he said he was going to because he has a big, comfortable lead, but now going to a swing state to speak to working class voters. that's a whole different message. when i talked to trump advisers, they say it's critical for trump in 2024. the group of voters and the state of michigan helped deliver the white house to trump in 2016 then helped deliver the white house to biden in 2020. trump wants to get those voters back so he's coming here tonight. there are signs across the room that say union members for trump. they have stressed the fact there will be union members here. i'm waiting to talk to some of them later to see what brought them here. we know those union leaders, they believe trump is pro business, not pro labor and not pro union. >> kristen holmes, thank you so much for that. let's discuss this with our political experts and our analysts. da david, trump skipping the debate tonight. in our cnn poll of polls, he's dominated by more than 40 points with 58% to just 15% for his closest rival. given that, what is the significance of tonight? >> his lead increased after not showing up at the first debate. so i think from that, the trump team said maybe it's okay that we can skip out on the debates but i don't think it diminishes the significance of what can happen here, which is this battle for second place, yes, now, but the quest to consolidate support from those in the party giving consideration to candidates not named trump. i would look for two things. we've seen on the trail, these candidates have been stepping up their direct frontal attacks and contrast with the former president. but also look carefully about how they handled each other. i think it will be really curious to see does desantis perform in such a way to suggest he perceives a real threat from nikki haley for this second place slot? will we see governor christie continue to sort of deliver each answer in an attempt to hammer away at the former president? the goal for these folk s to tae this unique opportunity to have a conversation with republican primary voters. >> so they have this opportunity without trump physically there. which of the candidates is most in need of a breakthrough tonight? >> i think it's easy to sa say desantis is somebody who needs to breakthrough. he really has to break through. he's lost more than half of his support in iowa and new hampshire since the last debate. so you know, he's got a lot to prove to his donors are growing more skeptical about him. i think if nikki haley wants to be the second place person david was talking about, she has to continue doing what she did in the last debate. she was terrific in the last debate. she differentiated herself from donald trump, from a lot of the other candidates. seeming to be pragmatic while conservative. so i think this is going to be a big moment for her. i don't think this primary season is over because over half of the voters in recent polls in the early states say you know, they're open to somebody else. so, it's not over till it's over. >> that's a key reminder for everyone. when it comes to chris christie, he's the only one of the seven who challenged trump at the last debate. since then, trump's numbers have only gone up. do you expect other candidates to challenge trump more tonight than the last debate? >> yes. no question. and david mentioned this earlier. there isn't anybody else on the stage who will likely challenge donald trump when it comes to the core issues of democracy and attempted coup, fitness for service as commander in chief again as chris christie has and will likely continue to do tonight. having said that, we did see a bit of nikki haley pushing back on donald trump in the first debate on substance issues like the deficit and spending. since then, we have seen people like ron desantis step up. not just on that, but on the border. and on other issues that have to do with what donald trump did and more importantly from their perspective, did not do when he was in the white house. when he had the chance for four years to govern. what's interesting is the last time i was here in semi valley, it was a cnn debate in the 2016 cycle. there was no record. no record at all for donald trump. he was a first time politician. now there is one. a very big one. and that is clearly what republicans who are trying to vie for a chance at challenging him to get the nomination are bringing up time and time again. >> trump as we noted is not there. he is in michigan amid the auto workers strike. something that the president of the uaw told wolf blitzer about trump's visit. >> when he was the president of the united states, where was he then? gm, our work eers were on strik for 60 days for two months they were out there on the picket lines. i didn't see him hold a rally. i didn't see him stand up at the picket line and i sure as hell didn't hear him comment about it. >> so can trump's populous appeal win over the blue collar voters that biden is also targeting? >> sure, he won those voters. in 2016, that was a big reason he won. he was able to take some of the white, working class voters that obama won and win them in 2016. biden did the opposite in 2020. grabbing some of those white working class voters and that's why he was so successful in winning those blue states likemy me. so donald trump is doing something he hasn't before and something we typically haven't seen from republican level candidates. and that is to try to appeal to union voters to say listen, he sort of stands with the union voters and protesters, but is trying to sort of draw a wedge with the union leaders. so that was something that was successful for him in 2016. >> and let's talk about what he's trying to do when it comes to abortion here, gloria. >> he's taking this more moderate position on abortion than many of the 2024 rivals. now he's suggesting the anti abortion movement is all about the money. >> this is an issue that's been going on for 52 years. i was able to end it. we have these groups fighting this for so many decades. it's exactly 52 years as of a date in the not too distant future and that's a long time. everybody's raising money all the time. i don't know. maybe it's some kind of a business. i don't know what's going on. >> how much of his support comes from evangelical christians? what is his play here? >> he doesn't know what to say. he kind of treats it like a real estate negotiation. this has been going on for 52 years. we could sit down and cut a deal. we can cut a deal at some point and i don't know what's going on. maybe it's about money. for the first time in a long time, we see donald trump really confused about what to do about this because he wants to claim credit on the dobbs decision, of course. he's appointed these justices but on the other hand, he has said to people like desantis, this is a mistake, the six week ban. then he's alienated evangelicals and a lot of the right to life movement. so what does he do? he said, oh, we'll cut a deal. really? not so sure. >> very interesting. thanks to you all. be sure to tune in to cnn tonight for all of your post debate coverage with dana bash and anderson cooper. just ahead, bob menendez is not saying much as he makes his first appearance in federal court on corruption charges. this as he starts to lose support among more prominent democrats. bob menendez and his wife make their first appearance in court and plead not guilty. what happened today, cara? >> reporter: well, pam, the senator and his wife arrived at court hand in hand as co-defendants in this alleged bribery scheme. it lasted about 30 minutes. this was inside of a packed courtroom and they entered pleas of not guilty. so menendez was released on a $100,000 bond. he had to surrender his personal passport and he can still travel internationally as long as it's for business. he is restricted from talking to defendants and is not allowed to contact any members of his staff or any political aides with knowledge of this investigation. so essentially, any potential witnesses in this case without an attorney present. now, his wife was also leased on bond. $250,000 secured by their home in new jersey. her travel is also restricted to certain parts of the u.s. and she's not permitted to talk to the co-defendants. two of them appeared in court. f they entered pleas of not guilty and yesterday, the fifth defendant in this case, he entered a plea of not guilty in this case. he was arrested at jfk airport when he returned from egypt where he had been at the time this indictment was unsealed on friday. all five are due back in court on monday. >> thank you so much for that. at least 30 senate democrats including some members of senate leadership are calling on menendez to resign. melanie is live on capitol hill. the senator is expected to address his colleagues tomorrow, right? >> yeah, that is right. fresh off of his court appearance, he will return to the capitol tomorrow and we are told that he's going to address his fellow democrats during a special caucus meeting. now, a number of senators have called on him to resign. this is a pivotal moment for him, but there are still a number of of them who have not called on him to resign. we'll see if he changes any minds in the meeting tomorrow and we'll also see if some of these more outspoken democrats who have called on him to step down will also go after him pretty hard tomorrow. john fetterman has outspoken. there are some questions and fears in the democratic party about whether he is going to run for re-election. he has not said what he plans to do. he is up in 2024. i suspect some of his democratic colleagues are going to press him on that very question tomorrow. >> all right, let's talk about, looks like we're losing you. melanie, thanks so much. and come up, cassidy hutchison talks about what happened inside the white house when it got word rioters were chanting, hang mike pence. pence's former chief of staff weighs in, next. ( ♪ ♪ ) welcome to big tobacco's fantasyland. a new, healthier world without cigarettes. as long as you don't count the 6 trillion sold worldwide every year. and vaping won't lead to smoking, if you ignore the research that says otherwise. in big tobacco's fantasyland, the deadliest industry is your friend. seven republican presidential candidates will face off for the second time tonight hoping to blunt donald trump who is again skipping the event. joining us now is mark short, mike pence's chief of staff in the white house. donald trump won't be at the debate but he is dominating in the field in a new cbs news poll, he is ahead by 30 points in iowa. pence at 5% and he's winning by 37% in new hampshire with his former vp at just 2%. how does pence breakthrough and change the dynamic of this race and when does it become too late? >> well, pam, i don't think it's anywhere near being too late. i think most voters are focussed on the cost of inflation, raising their families and i think attention really turns this fall. i think you've seen that in iowa. whether or not it was barack obama coming from behind the last minute to defeat hillary or on the republican side with santorum or huckabee. that's been the trajectory. i think that people in iowa want to know you. they want to see you. they want to meet with you. i think there's a question as to whether or not donald trump's going to spend the time getting to know iowa voters. for the vice president, this is a perfect setting to remind americans that he's always been the full spectrum conservative and perhaps the only one on the stage who's represented the viewpoint of strong national defl defense and strong family values throughout his career. >> is that where the republican party is right now? when you think of donald trump being the front-runner? many say this is the party of donald trump. is that what you just listed really where the party is? >> i think you know the former vice president gave a speech a couple of weeks ago defining conservative versus populism. they think it's important to break that down and to showcase donald trump govern is a conservative president when the vice president was by his side but since they separated, you've seen donald trump now propose i think the largest tax increase possible on middle class americans with a 10% across the board tariff. you've seen him advocate and walk away from his commitment to life. you've seen his positions change on fiscal sanity and basically embrace the position of joe biden to say we don't need to address entitlements even though we're at $33 trillion in debt. i think there's been a diversion and i think it's important voters recognize that and understand the choices they're facing. >> we should note when donald trump was president, he added trillions in debt. i know that pence is steadfast in his convictions that he did the right thing on january 6th. but the bottom line is a large portion of the trump base pence needs to win for the nomination believes that the 2020 election was stolen and blames pence. do you really believe that he can win their support? >> i think that more and more americans are informed of what the vice president's role was, they accept the vice president doesn't have the authority overturning the election and i think most conservatives wouldn't want kamala harris in 2024. so i think that most elections though are also about the future and i think they want to hear what's the vision for how we're going to get this country back on track and so i think that's what debate is more about. >> i want to get your reaction to something cassidy hutchison said about trump's action ton january 6th in her book. quote, the president is yelling, what's he saying? i can't make it out. i hear him say hang repeatedly. hang, hang? what's that about? suddenly, everything makes sense. they are calling for the vice president to be hanged. the president is okay with it. he doesn't want to do anything. he thinks mike is a traitor. your reaction, mark. >> pamela, i think you know that on the day and night of january 6th i was with the vice president at the capitol. i'm not aware of what was happening at the white house. i know the vice president had a job to do and even though they attempted to evacuate him three times, he said i'm going to stay at my post and do my job to make sure the votes are counted. i don't know what was happening at the white house. can't really comment on cassidy's recollection of those events. >> she also said in her book she remained loyal to trump even after january 6th. mike pence even wrote in his book, quote, i've always been loyal to president trump. mark, you worked in the trump administration twice. and i'm wondering as you reflect, did you also grapple with your loyalty to trump and what drives that? >> i think that donald trump had a great record as president. i think he accomplished some great things for conservatives but i think the events of january 6th are a demarcation line. i think we all, his public officials swear an oath to uphold the constitution. his decision that day was to violate the constitution, ask hid vice president to. that's a pretty significant -- >> he was also doing that leading up to january 6th. as you know, there were all kinds of discussions with the vice president and he was saying the election was going to be rigged. he had been saying that all along. >> and, pamela, i think that issue one day a lot of conversations had over four years which fortunately, he listened to mike pence's advice. i'm proud of the record of those four years but i think the events of january 6th were a significant breach in one's oath to the constitution. as i've said, i think since those times, you've seen donald trump continue to veer off course and no longer promise conservatives what he did in 2016 when he promised he would govern as a conservative. today, he asks his voters to basically fight his grievances. >> mark short, nice to have you on. thank you. >> thanks for having me. just ahead, police warn he will quote, kill, will rape, will cause harm. the latest on the massive man hunt for the tech ceo's murder. baltimore police are searching for a suspect wanted in connection for the murder of a 26-year-old tech ceo. brian todd is at a vigil for the victim. brian, what are we learning? >> as hundreds of people gather to mourn, we have new information on her murder and on the very dangerous suspect who is still at large. >> this person is extremely dangerous. >> tonight, a growing man hunt underway for convicted felon, jason billingsley, suspected of murdering a tech ceo. >> this individual will kill and he will rape. he will do anything he can to cause harm. >> police say they found the 26-year-old inside a secure apartment building monday, dead with blunt force trauma to the head. her sudden, violent death has stunned loved ones and the baltimore tech community. >> it's devastating. as young as she was, she was so intelligent, so charismatic. >> police did not give details on how they connected billingsley to her death. and a woman who identified herself as billingsley's mother told nbc she did not know if her son new her. she told nbc she texted her son, urging him to turn himself in. >> there is no way in hell he shufb on the street. >> he pleaded guilty to assault in 2009 and guilty to a sex offense in 2013 and sentenced to prison. he was released in october of 2022. he had not been paroled but was released on mandatory supervision. la pair was cofounder and ceo of eco map technology. her work landed her on the 30 under 30 forbes list among other r recognitions. >> she was ambitious, hard driving. it wasn't for the sake of seeing her name in lights. it was how do i lift up other people. she saw the best in absolutely everybody. >> baltimore police now say that the suspect is also wanted in connection with attempted murder, rape and arson related to an incident last week. the reward stands at $6,000. >> before we go, we want to congratulate the anchor of this program, wolf blitzer, who will be honored with

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