you're live in the "cnn newsroom." good evening. four indictments in in roughly four months until republicans first nominating contest. donald trump continues to dominate his rivals in the gop primary. new "wall street journal" poll finds trump support among republican voters growing to a whopping 59%. former president expanding his lead over his next closest competitor, ron desantis, to a commanding 46 points. joining us now to talk about this, "vanity fair" special correspondent, molly, and ana navarro. guys, great to see you. thanks so much. ana, is it all but inevitable that trump will be the republican nominee next year? >> it's certainly looking that way. you know, i think it shouldn't be surprising. part of me want to be surprised but i'm not that he has this hold on the republican party. and that the indictments that his legal problems that all the things happening around him mean nothing. because the loyalists have complete and absolute allegiance to this man. it's two things. one is the allegiance that the republican base has for donald trump and two is that there seems to be in good alternative. no viable alternative. desantis was supposed to be the great, non-trump hope and he's been a dud. he's a terrible candidate. he's terrible on the stump. he's lgot the likability of broccoli and he's not the alternative. turned out to be a paper tiger who looked a lot better on paper than he does on the stump. >> we're going to talk about him in a second but molly, the poll also found that if the contest were held today between trump and biden, the two would be tied at 46%. the poll shows 76% of americans across the political spectrum also think the president is too old to serve a second term even though he's just a few years older than trump. what do you think about that? that is a very tight race and four indictments in, it doesn't seem to be making any kind of a dent. >> i would say that donald trump's base is very hardened and they are very bought in. it was his base to lose and desantis, trump without the charisma, was not able to capture it. i don't know about this general election polling. i still think we're like 400 plus days away from the election and i think that it's very early days to start worrying about that. especially if you look at every poll since donald trump, even a poll with donald trump winning has been not accurate. we have been in a period of really bad polling. maybe this is accurate but i wouldn't take it as gospel and more than a year away. >> that's true. there's a lot of time. ana, the survey found republican support for desantis has basically collapsed. he's barely ahead of the rest of the field. this comes after the governor's campaign has suspended outreach in nevada. other super tuesday states. is there anything he can do to turn this around or have the voters on the republican said said nope, i'd rather stick with trump. >> there's good medical centers in florida, a personality transplant and that's what he needed to cut through. also, he based his entire campaign on one thing. being anti woke. frankly, that's boring. it's stupid. and it's not something that be sold to the american people. people want to pay their bills. how they're going to get a job. people want to know how they're going to feed their family so this anti wokeness and banning of this and banning of that and wars with drag queens and mickey mouse and wars with history. this is a man who just showed up at an event to offer condolences for the african americans that were killed at the dollar store in jacksonville and got booed and he deserves the boos. so i keep thinking if he focused on selling the florida economics, if he had focused on his ability to lead after hurricanes or when it comes to emergency preparedness, it would have been one thing. but instead, he went all out on this woke thing and it's a joke. it's redick louse. it's done nothing to help them. >> molly, thinking of desantis, biden is in florida today. desantis kept his distance and biden talked about it and kind of brushed it off and gave him a pass a little bit. >> no, i'm not disappointed. he may have had other reasons but he did help us plan this and sat with fema and decided where would you go, where would be the least disruption. we don't agree much at all. distinguished governor and senior senator. he came, talked to me and you all about what an incredible job the federal government is doing. i found that reassuring. i think he can pull all this together. i really do. >> molly, what did you think? the president did note that rick scott was with him today and he praised the president's response to the hurricane. what do you make of desantis not being there? >> once again, we have biden being way too generous. we saw this with his comments on mcconnell yesterday, too. this republican party has been nothing but awful to them and he's been nothing but generous back. i thought it made desantis loo k and so i think it's a really, it's really clear this guy puts his politics above the needs of the people of his state. >> ana, would it have been that bad for desantis -- yeah, go ahead. >> as a floridian, i am very disturbed by that. a couple of years ago when the surf side building collapse happened, biden came down. desantis was there. i think that when it comes to emergencies like these, when it comes to disasters like these, floridians, americans like to see their governments working together. they like to see seamless cooperation. it was very good. i got to miami, i felt very good watching the mayor of miami-dade sitting with, who doesn't agree with desantis, sitting with desantis, sitting with biden, and all of them working on solutions and offering comfort and offering help and aid to the people affected. it makes desantis look small. joe biden did exactly the right thing. he needed to be gracious because the emphasis and the attention needs to be on the people who need help right now here in florida and not make it a political fight. so i think joe biden did the right thing. >> yeah. molly, i'm old enough to remember when i didchris christt with president obama after superstorm sandy and a lot of folks really praised christie for doing that. it was right before the 2012 presidential election. but there was a segment of the republican party, a hard right of the republican party, they were really angry. they were furious with chris christie for doing that. was that kind of the political lesson learned in the conservative base of the republican party that you can't be presidential with the president? you can't be statesman like with the president after a disaster like this? because you might pay some measure of a political price? >> well, we see that what desantis has done since he has been running for president is that he's tried to use his governorship as a sort of testing out point for all of you know the don't say gay and book stuff and the teacher stuff and the stop woke act. i mean, these are all sort of mini auditions for maga and i think it's really not fair because the job of these federal employees and state employees, the job of government is to govern their people and to be there when they need them. so it really is just this sort of you know, it's the far right contingent that really hates the government and they're the people who want to shut it down and they're going to try in september. it's really too bad. >> ana, i know you're down in florida. what's the reaction that you're getting down there on the passing of jimmy buffett? it's not quite 5:00 anymore here on the east coast. it's 6:00, but it's 5:00 somewhere. you know, he meant so much to the people of florida. what are your thoughts? >> yeah, to people i've passed today, bill richardson and jimmy buffett, it's been a kick in the gut. here in florida, just so happens i was boating earlier this today and sailed past a margaritaville cruise. his presence is all over florida. he's really put the lifestyle, key west lifestyle, on the map. he did a lot for the environment here. he was one of the first people to take up the cause of saving the florida manatees. so he was just a huge presence here. we all liked him. latins liked him. i remember meeting him with gloria and emilio estefan. he was a good one and we're going to miss him. >> absolutely. we're going to play out a little margaritaville to end the s segment. thanks so much. >> thank you very much, jim. go have a margarita. >> very soon. you as well. as ana was just mentioning, we also remember bill richardson, the former new mexico governor, congressman, and u.n. ambassador passed away in his sleep friday in massachusetts. he was 75 years old. he had a researching career of late helping free americans held hostage and detained overseas. they include brittney griner. he was working on the release of an army soldier taken into custody after running across the border with north korea. richardson spoke to cnn about that last week. >>. >> i don't want to get into too many details but the fact that the family has reached out to us, the prime contact is the u.s. military, the u.n. command, they're communicating with them, but i think it's important we find ways to support the family and bring travis king home. >> and joining me now is cnn state department reporter, jennifer. and cnn political commentator and democratic strategist, maria c cardona, who knew him well. we're hearing from president biden commenting on his passing. what's the president saying? >> we just heard from the president in the past maybe half an hour. remembering bill richardson's life both in government and outside of government. i want to read just a little bit of the statement that the president released. he said bill richardson were many weighty titles in his life. congressman, governor, ambassador, secretary. he seized every chance to serve and met every challenge with joy, determined to do the best for his country, his beloved new mexico and americans around the world. few have served our nation in as many capacities or lived as much lentlessness and good cheer. he will be deeply missed. today, he called him his friend and he's remembering all the work he did to help free those hostages. >> that's the big hole left by his passing because i mean, who do we turn to now? we have state department. people in the administration, people all over the world who do this, but he was known for this. >> it's expected his center will continue on and the work they're doing for travis king's family, for example, a number of other families but it is a huge loss. >> such important work. maria, you called him a mentor, a friend. you remember him well. what will you remember most about him? >> when i came to d.c. as a young girl, i didn't know anybody. i didn't have any kind of structure of support as one of the few latinas in politics and bill richardson was just there. i was working for then chair of the democratic party, another dear friend, ron brown and ron and bill richardson were good friends. one of the few latino congressmen. so i started working with him to focus on what the democratic party needed to do better to reach out to latino voters who back then, were just starting to be a burgeoning, important part of the democratic family. and bill richardson was always focused on making sure that democrats spoke authentically to latinos. to not just talk about immigration. to talk about the economy. to talk about education. to talk about what it was that the democratic party was going to do for them to help them live a better life. and that has been the fundamental lesson that i have always taken in the work that i have done with the democratic party and i think we also need as democrats and as a party, we need to remember that bill richardson, because of that key lesson, he was pivotal in helping the democrats to focus on the states, which as you remember, were solidly republican red states to completely switch them and making them a fundamental part of the way that democrats are today. anth arizona, new mexico, nevada. without the guidance of somebody like bill richardson. >> we were showing this picture earlier in the program. he ran for president. >> yes. >> we have some great pictures of him next to hillary clinton and barack obama and so on. >> that's right. >> he was a trail blazer in that regard as well. >> he was. that's another thing, right? he was the first democrat latino to run for president. he was also the very first one to start a tradition which now is something we all take for granted that happens every year. as you know, during the state of the union, there is also now someone from the opposite party whether it's democrat or republican, that gives the response in espanol. he was the first one to do that in 2004. he gave the response in espanol to george bush's state of the union. so again, he will be remembered as one who was foundational in making sure democrats did the r right thing with the latino community. i was just texting him five days ago, jim, giving him congratulations on everything he was doing in the international arena. he was always helping me. so a heartfelt, heartfelt thank you to bill richardson for everything he's done. it's a sad day. >> and jennifer, it's hard to imagine how brittney griner gets released from being held hostage without a bill richardson there. what was his secret? why was he so good at this? >> i think it stemmings back to work in the u.s. government. he was able to build all these relationships around the world. what his long time friend and the vice president of his center said he would never hesitate to talk to with his state will. ♪"ple shooting at the university of s north carolina at chapel here. the manager of that paper joins me ahead. you're live inin the "cnn newsroom." ♪ please don't go ♪ ♪ please don't go.. ♪ ♪ please don't go ♪ ♪ please don't go ♪ ♪ don't goooooo! ♪ (♪) ♪ don't go away ♪ (♪) ♪ please don't go ♪ right now get a free footlong at subway. like the subway series menu. buy one footlong in the app, get onfree. for freeee. that's what i'm talking about. order in the subway app today. for freeee. for moms, from centrum. ♪ this new mom ♪ ♪ here i go ♪ ♪ i am strong and brave i know ♪ ♪ with a little time for me ♪ ♪ no doubt i will get through ♪ ♪ loving me is loving you ♪ ♪ new from centrum. the women's choice multivitamin brand. it's not just designed to look good... it's built to command attention. it's not just a comfortable interior... it's a quiet refuge. they're not just headlights... they light the way forward. the new fully electric audi q8 e-tron models... my cpa told me i wouldn't qualify for the erc tax refund, so i called innovation refunds. their team of independent tax attorneys will work with your cpa to determine if your company is eligible. 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is that all that unusual in georgia? >> that's expected. rule 22 specifically encourages that cameras will be available. there was no surprise here at all. >> steven, trump is a former reality tv star. he's known to treat his campaigns and court cases like a spectacle. do you think that might be what he has in store for this trial? turn it into a spectacle? >> absolutely, jim. just take a look at what we have had so far in this case. of the indictments that saw the street in front of the courthouse blocked off for a week in advance with rows of national and international cameras and the arrest where trump surrendered at the fulton county jail. similar situation. having access to the courtroom. having a youtube and media streams and for others in trump's orbit to package and repackage that, it's going to be the trial of the century if not beyond. >> sam, what's your sense of it? is this a good idea, do you think? >> transparency's always a kgoo thing so i think the judge was 100% correct. the issue the judge is going to be dealing with in the short-term is simply how many of the 19 are tried this year. several of course had requested a speedy trial. and whether or not the judge puts them in groups such as coffee county, the legislative hearings, electors. i think it's likely we're going to see all 19 at one time. that's going to be at play in the next couple of weeks. >> sam, does it give one side an advantage over the other if the case is televised? >> no, i mean, candidly in most state courts, you have the ability to do a televised. it's the federal courts so behind the times and still did not want the cameras in the courtroom. >> steven, you wrote an op-ed in "the new york times" talking about the conflicts republican future politics in the state of georgia. do you think this case has the potential to shift the politics of that state? >> well, i think georgia's republican party is really emblemmatic of where the party is writ large right now. you have this indictment, you have four indictments in fact. you have trump facing charges that he tried to overturn georgia's dually sworn elected results. you have the governor of georgia and secretary of state of georgia beating back primary challe chall challengers pushed by trump. so i think this case is really emblemmatic of that battle playing out. you have republicans like brian kemp and brad raffensperger that are capitalsy conservatives. very rule of law. very good for conservative policy in the state but because they do not subscribe to everything that donald trump has said, they've been ostracized by some key parts of the primary electorate and with georgia's purple politics is just enough where now you have two democratic u.s. senators and could see joe biden win the state again because of those indictments. >> and sam, let me ask you this. as you know, the republican governor of georgia, brian kemp, says he will not call for a special session to investigate fani willis. he's kind of standing against some in his party, perhaps you could say many in his party in the state in taking that stand. what is your sense of all this? is this just theatre what you're hearing from state house republicans that they want to go after fani willis or could it be a real thing if brian kemp were to let this have at it? >> you need 16% of the legislators to have a special session. it was never going to happen. so you had political theatre by some and you had the governor as he has done the last several years who respectfully said we're going to follow the rule of law. follow the constitution. and we're going to let the court system handle this case and we will abide by those decisions. >> and sam, your thoughts on whether mark meadows could have this case kicked to federal court. >> i continue to think it's unlikely. judge jones is a super judge. northern district of georgia. very much respected by all parties. so we'll look forward this week to his decision. but if i were to place bets, my bet is that mr. meadows will not be successful. >> steven, that would be a huge development in this case. >> absolutely. i mean, because you have 19 different defendants, you have several different buckets of charges and this argument for federal removal is mark meadows and several others including potentially donald trump saying that a state court can't prosecute them then it would pave the way for arguments that the federal supremacy clause would mean they wouldn't be charged in federal court either. so it's one of many avenues being explored by defendants to try to shut down the trial, the charges and to end this prosecution. i was in that courtroom. to the earlier point, it's difficult to convey an eight-hour hearing when there's no cameras, reporting and just pages and pages of furious notes. i would agree with sam's asse assessment that the district attorney's office did a better job of saying why it should stay in their court instead of moving to federal court. >> thank you, gentlemen, very much for your time. we'll be watching. everybody's watching georgia. thanks so much. still ahead, message to tourists from hawaii officials following the devastating wildfires. please keep coming to the aloha state. why they are still urging people to come. that's next. from pep in their step to shine in their coats, when people switch their dog's food to the farmer's dog, the effects can seem like magic. but there's no magic involved. 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>> it is taking place, unfortunately. we want to reiterate please come to maui. just not west maui at this point. the governor has declared the declaration, not to go to the west maui area, but everywhere else is open and the local economy depends on tourism. i've been going back and forth to maui and it's very evident that there are not many visitors coming because airplanes are filled but filled with local people. it's full of rental cars. we've been talking with small and local businesses and they're saying that they need to shut their doors temporarily until visitors return, cut jobs. in fact, up until now, about 8,000 unemployment claims have been filed. so again, it's having a domino effect across maui as well as our state's economy. >> yeah, so i guess the question is and of course our hearts go out to the people of maui and people in lahaina. it's just awful what's happened there. but if you were to take a trip to any of the islands, if you were to take a trip to maui, you're not going to be affected or impacted in any way as a tourist, correct? if you go, it's still the beautiful hawaiian islands as always. >> absolutely. and maui has been a popular destination for so many, always had so many returning visitors beca the soul of the island just penetrates across the state. we just want to thank everyone around the world for showing their aloha spirit to us in time of need, to help those who have been impacted. i went to lahaina and visited some of the businesses there. many of them have lost their livelihoods, as well as their homes. but they have the spirit and so in order to fill it, we need to revive the local economy. there's so many beautiful parts of maui. and other parts. west maui right now is temporarily closed until mid october. just so we can insure those has been impacted, everything will clear up. again, go to the other parts of maui. see the aloha spirit that's been shining through so many years. >> yeah. i've been in maui. four of hawaii's islands and it is just one of the most magical places on earth. it's just one of my favorite places on earth to go. so if you haven't gone and you're thinking about canceling your vacation, don't do it. you will never forget that trip. sherry, thank you so much for your time. best of luck. we're always thinking of hawaii and continued recovery from what took place in maui. thanks so much for kwyour time. >> thank you very much. still ahead, are you safe? i'm in class. everyone is losing it. those are some of the messages that were going back and forth between students as an active shooter shattered a college town in past week. why the newspaper there chose to print this impactful cover. we're going to talk about it more in just a few moments. you're live in the "cnn newsroom."." the people who live and work there. because you call these communities home, and d we do too. pnc bank. i just found the biggest weight loss hack for ya'll! ♪ the truth is there is no quick fix... ...but there is a more effective way to lose weight and it isn't what you think. it's actually noom. it's two times more effective than doing it on your own. get started right now by taking the noom quiz. air wick. air wick's limited edition fragrances are infused with natural essential oils for authentic seasonal scents that fill your home with warmth and cheer. purple mattresses exclusive gel flex grid draws away heat relieves pressure and instantly adapts. sleep better. live purple. right now save up to $900 off mattress sets during purple's labor day sale. visit purple.com or a mattress firm near you. this is your summer to smile. to raise your glass and reconnect. to reel in the fun and savor every bite. to help you get ready your aspen dental team is celebrating 25 years of affordable care with an epic summer of smiles event. don't miss enjoying a moment, with our onsite labs to help you, fast, and 20% off your denture care. so, whether you need a new look or a quick fix, you can celebrate with a smile all season— always at aspen dental. book today. after deadly gun violence gripped a university, the university's gut wrenching res responses is drawing national attention. it contains profanity but it's important we show you. the daily tar heel showed the daily messages exchanged between students and loved ones on monday as the school searched for the shooter that killed a professor. tense, terrifying moments so many americans have come to experience during an active shooter situation. and joining us now to talk about this is the daily tar heel print managing editor, kaitlyn. thank you so much for being with us. we really appreciate it. we're very grateful to have you here and hats off to the entire staff to what you've blood pressure been able to pull off. we saw some of the video some students were putting out on social media. because we rarely see the desperation of what students go through during something like this. what were you thinking when this was going on? >> i was not on campus. i was about a half mile away at our student newspaper offices when we got the text alerts from the university and sirens began going off. my first thought was there's just no way. i think myself and a lot of people who grew up and went to school at the same time i did were -- not being able to leave a school or some kind of security threat happening or at least preparing for one so the fact we had one on monday and it was the real deal was just hard to believe. startling. scary. yeah. it was just unbelievable to have to witness that happening after preparing for so many years. z >> what you and your team captured was what was happening in those moments. like when we showed you the students were hopping out of the window and so on. young people these days, we all do it. texting back and forth to one another. how did the idea come about that you take those texts, those messages, and put them on the front page? >> yeah. so we re-grouped on monday after he w we got the call clear from officials. we came back to newspaper offices and decided as a team we needed something on the front page that was more impactful than what happened that day or a photo could convey. we sat on it and my dear friend emmy texted me monday night with the idea of putting the text messages. we got to work if next morning, solicited them from editors. we reached out to friends, family members, classmates. anyone who had something to share from that day. text messages. group messages. anything like that. we spent tuesday compiling them for the front page. >> on tuesday evening, you tweeted a photo of the front page and it would appear on campus newsstands the next day. it instantly went viral. even president biden was photographing reading it and said no student, parent, american should have to send texts like the one you typed up. but we've done this topic so many times on this program. just last week at this time, we were covering a mass shooting down in jacksonville. this keeps happening over and over again and i have to think as parents sending their kids back to school, as students are going back, this is on the minds of a lot of students around the country and i guess can you talk about, can you explain what this has done do you think to your campus and to a whole generation of students? you guys have had to live through this. i guess from grade school. this lockdown mentality. this life of being worried about mass shootings at school. >> yeah. i'd say on our campus, it's just created a lot of anxiety, uncertainty, fear. in the last week, we've seen each other come together and find comfort in coming together and being together and grieving the loss of the professor we lost on campus. but at least all i can say is i'm grateful for the reach of this paper. that so many people have been moved by it. i'm saddened but so many people have to be moved by it. so many people have reached out and said they'd sent or received messages like that. it's incredibly disheartening to hear that, but i'm grateful that we were able to make something that had such an impact and such a reach. and i hope that our community will continue to heal and come together. >> just very quickly, how did you gather up all of these text messages? where did they come from? >> yeah. these are from unc students. we had our student staff reach out to friends and family members. we pulled them from group chats, from messages students sent to parents and we spent tuesday morning asking people who were willing to send them in. >> all right. kaitlyn, thank you very much for your time. we appreciate it. and we wish you all the best. hope the healing process continues. thanks for your time. >> thank you. >> we'll be right back. 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