county. the presiding judge there says all hearings and trials in his courtroom can be live stream and televised. that also applying his co-defendants. joining us now, former republican congressman, adam. i want to get to the latest news and donald trump's legal trouble but we're about four and a half months from the iowa caucuses. trump is out to this massive lead. a brand-new wall street poll shows trump is the top pick with 59%, 59% of republican voters supporting the rest of the field is way behind him. what do you make of that? >> here's the interesting thing, jim. when donald trump was charged with this stuff, if people, because even the rest of the people in the polls not named donald trump, generally have the trust of the gop base. had all those people come together and said this is not our party. this is not okay. as chris christie said, we can't normalize this. i think you'd be seeing a very different number. instead, what you see is the vast majority of donald trump's opponents say this is a witch hunt. this is a politically motivated attack. so if the people you trust are saying that, you're going to believe it because why would you believe otherwise? the people you trust are saying it's politically motivated, and you're going to rally behind the guy that's being attacked. that's what's happening here. it's the shame of not having courage and running for office. it's the shame of leaders too scared to tell the truth. we're going to see a republican party with donald trump as the nominee it sounds like. >> could president biden be in trouble? if trump is the nominee? he's running about even with president biden in this latest "wall street journal" poll. >> well, look, this is my message to democrats. don't take this for granted. like, i think donald trump will be the easiest to beat of probably any other candidate running. so i guess from a tactical perspective, i can understand that. but there is a chance donald trump could win. i said in 2016 literally the night before the election, there's no way donald trump's going to win. after the election, i kind of woke up saying there's no way donald trump actually won. i think that's the danger we have right now. which is why i've been saying we have to have this what i call kind of an uncomfortable alliance between the left and the few sane on the right to defend democracy. frankly, probably support democrats in 2024 instead of donald trump. it's a real risk out there and i think the polls that show donald trump is tied, i'd take that very seriously. >> and let's talk about president biden. he's in florida today to tour storm damage. i'm sure you noticed this. he was not greeted by florida's governor, ron desantis. he did get praise from senator rick scott. here's how he reacted to that. >> no, i'm not disappointed. he may have had other reasons but he did help us plan this. he sat with fema and decided where we should go. where would be the least disruption. i'm very pleased. a guy who we don't agree very much at all. distinguished former governor and senior senator. he came, talked to me and to you all about what an incredible job the federal government was doing. i found that reassuring. and so i think we can pull all this together. i really do. >> congressman, what do you make of that? is this really a snub from ron desantis? looks like one. and what do you make of the president brushing that off? what's your reaction to that? >> so you knew the former president pretty well. you covered him a lot. let me just say this. i could never imagine him giving a speech like that and said well, it's not a big deal. maybe he had something else going on. rick scott's here. joe biden is being a grown up. the thing i hope happens is we can see joe biden in this case and say that's how a president should act. we all have political differences. that's one of the things that annoys me is when people say we have political differences. no two people in this country agree on everything but when we have to put things like a hurricane comes in, you have to put those differences and the politics aside. obviously, desantis isn't capable of doing that. thankfully, rick scott was able to do that and thankfully joe biden is able to do that. i hope we don't normalize this petty politics. particularly when president biden is going to have to sign the checks desantis is going to be begging for. >> yeah. let's talk about this case in georgia. i just have to ask you because you were on the january 6th committee. are you looking forward to watching donald trump's trial in fulton county streamed live or carried live on places like cnn if and when that happens? >> well, i kind of am and -- so there's part of me that's a little worried. it's like o.j. simpson trial vibes and dividing the country more, but i think when you put the evidence in front of the people, when you can describe the evidence in more than just the charging document, which was pretty damning in and of itself, and when you show this trial happening, i think that this could possibly break the fever in the gop. when you actually see this stuff presented. now, maybe i'm being overly optimistic. i fully understand that. but it was part of like the whole january 6th committee. one of the things i was doing for it was because i think history had to set the record straight. there were too many conspiracy theories out there and i think our committee did that. i think this trial will do the same. and it will make it very awkward for those members of the house, members of the senate, anybody in the gop defending donald trump when this evidence is being put out there. so i'm supporting it being live streamed. i like it. i have a little concern but i'll be watching for sure. >> what did you think of georgia's republican governor, brian kemp, saying to his fellow state republicans, we're not going to go after fani willis? >> the bottom line is that in the state of georgia as long as i'm governor, we're going to follow the law in the institution. regardless of who it helps or harms politically. in georgia, we will not be engaging in political theatre that only inflames emotions of the momente moment. >> yeah, what are you thought on that? >> i thought it was a very powerful statement. there's something in the water in georgia for georgia republicans with the exception of like marjorie taylor greene where they stand up for the rule of law. you think of brad raffensperger standing up to the pressure of donald trump to just go find 11,380 votes. and you look at governor kemp. you can disagree with his policies but what he said is we're not going to play this game of lying to people, conspiracy theory, firing the prosecutors. he's gotten widely praised and he deserves it. we need more republicans, jim, to do the same thing. to stand up and say we defend the constitution. >> and he hasn't paid a price. note to other republican party leaders in other parts of the country. you can do this, too. you know, congressman, i want to ask you about these sentences. that came down on members of the proud boys for their roles on january 6th. ethan, 18 years. that's the tie for the longer handed down of the cases so far. job biggs, 17 years. zachary, 15 years. dominic pizzola, 15 years. they could have gotten more. those are big sentences and in some of these cases, sounds like the defendants are expressing remorse. maybe it's crocodile tears. >> they're totally appropriate. we have laws. we have to protect democracy, jim. it's the hardest form of government. i used to think it was the hardest because you have to have trust, law. you have to enforce that law. these people paid a price. these weren't people that bumbled into the capitol on accident and kind of pushed in there. they went in intentionally. they led the way and there's a cost to that. are they sorry? maybe. maybe not. i don't know. if they are sorry, i'm glad. but you know, a lot of people are sorry after they commit a crime but that doesn't mitigate the time they serve in prison. so i think this is a lesson and look, it's these kind of charges that present, are prevented future things like what happened on january 6th from happening again. >> just finally very quickly just to follow up to that. did it take too long? that's one question this i just churn over sometimes. did it take too long for these cases to get to this point? take too long for these trump cases to get to this point. and i know you have to have a fair process and prosecutors have to do their jobs and due diligence and so on and so does our justice system but it just, isn't there something to be said for all of this just took too long? >> it did. i full wy agree. some of that was you had a few courtrooms and a lot of defendants. i think the doj started too late on the donald trump issue. that said, we are where we are now. and i feel confident the january 6th committee actually spawned that larger investigation which is what we're seeing the fruits of today. break the law, you're going to have to pay the price. doesn't matter who you are, what party you are or if you've ever been president of the united states or not. >> congressman, thanks very much for your time. >> you bet. still ahead, the debate over donald trump and the 14th amendment. we've been hearing from legal scholars over the last couple of weeks who suggest they could disqualify the former president from running. we'll speak to someone who argues it's not going to work. plus, tributes and memories to jimmy buffett. how the florida keys shaped his life and music. we'll talk about that in just a few minutes. stay with us. you're live in the "cncnn newsroom." i know what it's like to perform through pain. if you're like me, one of the millions suffering from pain caused by migraine nurtecdt may help. it's the only medication that can treat a mraine when it strikes and prevent . treat and prevent, all one. don't take if allergic to nurtec. allergic reactions can occur, even days after using. most common side effects were nausea, indigestion, and stomach pain. we're in this together. talk to a doctor about nurtec odt. we, the moms who have lost our children to social media harms. we, we, we have had... enough. our politicians have failed. working for lobbyists, not us. we need your voice to pass the kids online safety act this fall. join us. join us. join us. join us. ♪ let's lead the way. hi, i'm stacey, and i've lost 60 pounds on golo. 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that shows you right there it ain't just started. always been just like that. >> in the georgia indictment of donald trump and others, prosecutors allege what might sound like a whacky, unprecedented scheme. that rural coffee county election officials allowed trump associates to access voter data, but some locals say the allegations are right in line with the history of voter suppression. are you surprised it happened? >> not at all. >> among those mug shots, the city commissioner saw familiar faces. fellow coffee county locals she tangled with in past elections. >> olivia pearson is up to her normal handing out hamburgers and hot dogs. >> she's been a voting rights activist in douglas for years. >> all kinds of things happen in coffee county just to get people to come vote. yeah. it's not really good situation down here. >> georgia allows disabled or ill lite illiterate people to get help voting. they investigated complaints that pearson assisted ineligible people and began calling voters she had helped. >> she signed on the back she assisted you and i was wanting to know, it's not marked why and i was wondering why you needed assistance. >> cause i can't read. illiterate. >> the state didn't charge her but local prosecutors charged her with two felonies saying she helped other voters who were ineligible. she was found not guilty in 2018. >> you would think it was murder, robbery. something that really does some damage to our community. but i was trying to help somebody who wanted the right to vote. >> i don't know. >> then while helping a woman vote in 2020, pearson asked about the buttons on a voting machine. she says misty hampton, the former elections supervisor now under indictment with trump, began yelling at her. >> she just began hollering at the top of her lungs, that's what they got in trouble for last time! punching or touching buttons. ing something to that effect. it struck a nerve with me because i was on trial fighting for my life for something i was not guilty of. so i did raise my voice at that time. and i said to her, you are lying then, you're lying now. >> in a deposition, hampton said she spoke in a normal voice and that pearson was being disruptive. she left to pick up another voter and when she returned, police stopped her outside the polling place saying she had been banned. >> what happened? >> and i got arrested. i was put in handcuffs. >> in handcuffs. >> never been arrested before. i didn't know, you know, it's so tight like that. >> just to hear someone treated like they're a violent criminal. >> exactly. especially being an elected official. i stand up for what i believe is right and some people have a problem with people when you speak out. >> at the time, she had been driving yolanda williams, who agreed to talk if we didn't show her face. >> i was scared and fearful and i was just like telling her i didn't want to go back up there to vote and i won't go back and vote because of everything that's going on. i didn't understand why they called this crooked coffee, but now i understand. >> why do you think it happened? >> because of the race. >> hampton and former county republican party chair kathy lathem are accused of -- voter data. both have not responded to cnn's request for comment. do you see a connection between what happened to you and this big push after the 2020 election to dispute the vote totals in usually majority black cities like atlanta, detroit, and so on? >> of course. there's a certain amount of power and control when you're in certain offices. some people will do whatever it takes to maintain it and if it takes voter intimidation to do it, some people are willing to intimidate people. >> the election commission initially denied surveillance footage of the breach existed. so far, there's been no local investigation into what happened. hampton resigned in february 2021 for falsifying time sheets. christine is the new elections supervisor. >> the day that they voted me in to this particular position, the first thing our chairman said was who gets behind the counter. i was like nobody. >> now she says the public needs reassurance that the elections are secure. >> you know this has always been a really small town and people have always been pretty close knit. regardless of party or anything like that. we were all from coffee county and this has divided people in a sense. it's like that across the country. nos not just near. >> even among trump voters, there was an openness to holding people accountable. >> i mean, if they had, i'm 100% against it. do i like trump? i wouldn't want him sitting at the table with me at this moment, no. but, yeah, i think he had a past and i think right now that he is being, i don't know. maybe he should be held up. >> what do you say to black people in coffee county who say well actually i have faced discrimination here and there's a whole history of trying to keep black people from voting and it's not the '60s anymore, but it's not perfect. >> personally, that's crossing. >> why? >> they got the same right to vote i do. you know. they're in the military now. i mean, you know. side by side. >> yeah. there's no segregation to talk about. >> now some people are in denial. especially around here because they're friends with the folk from coffee county that's involved. i know you're innocent until proven guilty but that video speaks volumes. i hope it sheds more light. i hope those people in coffee county who were pointing their finger at me can really see now, you know. it was a bigger picture. >> ellie reiff, cnn, douglas, georgia. it's 5:00 somewhere including here in the east coast. still ahead, the mayor of key west joins us to remember the mayor of margaritaville. jimmy buffett. you're live in the "cnn newsroom." awh, use pririceline. they have package deals no one else e has. 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the secretaries of state of the many states and that means that republican secretaries of state, once this thing is defrosted, out of time, would be able to say we don't think so in so is a good enough american to be to be on the ballot. we are going to take all our enemies off the ballot. people need to think about the next step beyond the immediate step. >> so you don't think donald trump meets the criteria of section three of the 14th amendment. you believe he qualifies to be president but doesn't meet the criteria laid out in this section of the constitution. >> it's not that. that section of the constitution actually doesn't specify criteria because it all seems so obvious when that amendment was written in 1866. there were no questions. the questions are all new. what i'm saying is you reanimate this frozen entity and now you bring it back to life, it's not going to be used one time. it's going to be used again and again. you saw how the state of tennessee, republican majority, tried to throw three democratic congressmen, sorry, members of the legislature, out of the legislature, then to force new elections. well, maybe they would declare them enemies of the united states and try to prevent them from ever running from office again. you need to think beyond trump to understand you take this thing out of the freezer, it's going to live forever. >> david, you know, there's this new, i wanted to ask you about this new "wall street journal" poll that shows donald trump way out in front of this republican field. in a neck and neck match-up with joe biden at this point. your thoughts on that poll and do you see any scenario where trump is not the nominee at this point? i think that's part of the reason why we have legal scholars look aing at the 14th amendment. it looks like he's going to get this nomination. >> to preserve his presidential term, refused to accept an election. broke a peaceful transfer of power. i get it. it's terrifying that donald trump could run again and it's terrifying many of our fellow citizens will support him and seems to be neck and neck. i understand the wish for some kind of cheat code to get out of this video game but the only exit, i'm sorry, we're all going to have to dig deep and fight this one more time because there is no easy exit. >> and how does that happen, do you think? >> it happens, everyone watching this podcast, sorry, this broadcast, needs to be registered. you need to get your friends registered. you need to talk to people about the urgency of the threat to democracy ot united states. what it means that a president, not some far away place, but in this country, tried to overthrow an election, the constitution, to extend his term and there's no magic solution. there is only the will of the citizenry so register, to be active, to be committed, to be serious. to fight for your rights, your democracy. >> and david, just finally. just to push back a little bit on what you're saying. you said a couple of times trump tried to carry out a coup, tried to overthrow a democracy. doesn't that mean he meets the criteria in the 14th amendment? i know it could open up a constitutional pandora's box, but if he meets section three, why not have secretaries of state test this? >> okay. because it will go into the courts. in 1866, when people talked about rebellion and insurrection, there are dozens of presidential orders. there was no in between about it. there was lots of law. the confederacy was a rebellion and insurrection so you didn't have to go to court to say are they insurrectionists. they had been branded by such by multiple presidential orders. today, you'd have to do all of that from zero. so some would dgo to court. and who put the secretaries of state in charge? then the union army was au occupying the south and you had taken an oath to the united states, the army would stop you. we don't have that system today. we don't have a definition and means of execution and if we try to invent both on the fly, we're going to discover it doesn't stop with trump. the 14th amendment is not just about the presidency. it mentions senators, house representatives, state officials. this has gotten very wide ranged and people need to be aware of what they're unleashing. >> all right, i think we're going to have to continue this conversation. i'd like to get you on with somebody who thinks this could work and have you both talk about it but great piece in the atlantic. thanks for your time. good to see you. >> thank you. bye bye. still ahead, the mayor of key west joins us to remember jimmy buffett. how life and the keys influenced his music. how resident there plan to pay tribute to him. the mayor is going to fill us in on what they're going to do to remember him this weekend. you're live in the "cnn newsroom." the all-new tempur-pedic breeze makes sleep feel cool. so, no more sweating all night... ...or blasting the air conditioning. because the tempur-breeze feels up to 10° cooooler, all night long. for a limited d time, save up to $700 on select tempur-pedic adjustable mattress sets. detect this: living with hiv, i learned that i can stay undetectable with fewer medicines. that's why i switched to dovato. dovato is a complete hiv treatment for some adults. no other complete hiv pill uses fewer medicines to help keep you undetectable than dovato. detect this: most hiv pills contain 3 or 4 medicines. dovato is as effective with just 2. if you have hepatitis b, don't stop dovato without talking to your doctor. don't take dovato if you're allergic to its ingredients or taking dofetilide. this can cause serious or life-threatening side effects. if you have a rash or allergic reaction symptoms, stop dovato and get medical help right away. serious or life-threatening lactic acid buildup and liver problems can occur. tell your doctor if you have kidney or liver problems or if you are pregnant, breastfeeding, or considering pregnancy. dovato may harm an unborn baby. most common side effects are headache, nausea, diarrhea, trouble sleeping, tiredness, and anxiety. detect this: i stay undetectable with fewer medicines. ask your doctor about switching to dovato. our ears connect us to the moments that matter. give them the nutrients they need with lipo. it's formulated with ingredients clinically shown to protect your ears from dizziness, ear ringing, and even hearing loss. never miss a moment with lipo flavonoid. jimmy buffett passed away. he was 76 years old. his family says jimmy passed way way peacefully on the night of september 1st surrounded by his family, friends, music and dogs. he was best known for his breezy hits and barefoot performances. ♪ on my front porch swing smell of shrimp ♪ ♪ and the mayor of key west, florida, terry johnston, joins us now. mayor, great to see you. i guess your reaction to the death of jimmy buffett. it's so sad that he's passed away but i know how much he meant to so many people there in key west. what are your thoughts there this evening? >> well, it was a shock, jim. i heard about it this morning at the 5:00 news and my phone hasn't stopped ringing since then. jimmy buffett had a profound effect on key west and the florida keys. he projected our lifestyle to people from around the world. live and let live. a laid back atmosphere. sand and sun and flip-flops. we were very sad to hear about his passing. >> yeah. and you know, it's 5:00 somewhere and of course it's in the 5:00 hour right now on this program and i'm just wondering how are folks going to be remembering jimmy buffett? looks like you're going to have something taking place tomorrow. it's 5:00 in key west. in honor of jimmy buffett, sunday, september 53rd, at 5:00 p.m. just the way it should happen. >> exactly. that was organized by our local rum distributor, paul, who is putting together this procession in order to benefit our bahama village music program, which i think jimmy would be very happy. >> and what are some of the si sights and sounds around key west? i suppose you're running into people. hearing from folks remembering jimmy buffett. what's it like around town? because we know key west was so special, had such a special place in jimmy's heart and he kind of personified that key west lifestyle. key west spirit of hanging out in your flip-flops, cracking open a cold one and so on. >> everyone is deeply saddened by his passing, jim. i've talked to many people on the streets. gotten a lot of phone calls. right now from city hall, all you can hear is jimmy buffett music playing. he made a lot of friends in key west and the florida keys. he had a recording studio in our waterfront area for years and years. kind of an uneventful building where he recorded a lot of music. so it's, it's been a shock to the community. we are very, very grateful, however, that jimmy's been coming here since the '70s and has had such an impact on our island. >> yeah. and he was an incredible business man, too. he had those margaritaville hotels and restaurants and had a footprint there in key west as well. i mean, that is something you can't forget about when you talk about jimmy as well, right? >> no, exactly. he had an incredible business mind. in fact, as you talk about margaritaville, one of the things jimmy would do is hear on the coconut telegraph that he was somewhere in key west then all of a sudden, he would pop up in margaritaville and play a two to three-hour impromptu concert. he was an incredible gentleman. i also want to mention another side of jimmy that many people don't realize is he was an incredible environmentalist. he was very concerned about the manatees in the state of florida and also, the florida everglades and our ecosystem. i just thank him for using his voice in order to protect those types of things in the florida keys. >> yeah. it's so true. and that was the side of jimmy that a lot of people didn't know about. the other thing i have to mention and maybe you can speak to this as well. i had a chance to meet jimmy buffett in cuba back in 2016. we were talking to our padraig ottoman, our havana correspondent in the last hour and we were both reflecting on how personable and approachable he was. even though he was this icon. even though he had this huge business empire, he was just like a guy at the bar drinking his margarita. or just you know, just a great guy. >> yeah, and he engrained himself in the city of key west. he would be walking down the streets. people would have sightings of him and he would always stop and have a conversation. he was never too busy to say hello to the locals and to the visitors in key west. just an incredible human being who we will all miss. >> we're all going to misjs jimmy. 5:00 tomorrow. if you happen to be in key west, they're going to have this. it's 5:00 in key west second line procession in honor of jimmy buffett. as sad as we are to see him go, you know, his passing away on labor day weekend to some extent makes a little sense in that a lot of folks are at the beach and they're probably enjoying a cold one and thinking about jimmy buffett. mayor johnston, thanks so much for your time. >> thanks so much and please make sure you wear your flip-flops tonight, okay? >> i will. i've got them handy. as well as a cold drink. thanks so much. appreciate it. >> you're welcome. speaking of florida, florida is known for its gators but seeing one that weighs 900 pounds is still a shocker. look at that monster right there. the alligator hunter who caught it joins us live, next. you're in the "cnn newsroom." >> i had fear like i never felt before in all honesty. the pepeople who live and work there. because you call these commmmunities home, and we do too. pnc bank. 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