>> i think what we have is a lot of conspiracy realists, and so if i'm one of them -- >> reporter: some prefer him to the republican front-runner. >> do you think he can beat trump? >> yes. we're tired of losing. trump lost. >> it doesn't make sense. how will you beat trump when you have a trump base and he is running. >> the way i'm going to do is is speaking in an uninhibited way. i think i'm the only candidate speaking my mind truly without running it through preordained filters. that is proving to be a competitive advantage. it draws backlash at times, but i think that's what people are hungry for. >> in your book you're saying much difficult. >> reporter: it is true. he praised parts of trump's records while offering sharp criticism of how trump handled his 2020 election defeat. >> we might as well embraces it -- >> reporter: he takes trump's style even further on the issue, pledging to fire 75% of federal workers, eliminate all of affirmative action in america, and use u.s. drones to attack mexican drug cartels, all while bucking the very party whose nomination he wants. >> using the republican party as vehicle for advancing an america first america. >> i kind of cringe when someone says republican -- i'm not a party man. >> reporter: bus this is a caucus system. >> i think there are people like me, who are disgusted with the establishment. >> reporter: you adopt need the party structure? >> i don't need the party structure. no, we need the patriots who represent the people of this country. that's what we need. >> reporter: but the more some i wants hear, the more they hear questions about his foreign policy ideas. >> do the math in your head. >> reporter: like giving parts of eastern eye crane to russia. >> i was the one in a asked the question about the ukraine. i think he's wrong. >> reporter: and whether this moment is just that, a moment. >> he's the new flavor of the month. we've seen this previous, smun catching on for a bit and then fade. >> reporter: so the absurd execute for a presidential, obnoxious, annoy, conspiratorial, little regard to the frut or practicalities of american government. how do you respond to people who say this guy is an opportunist, an interloper? >> hmm. i guess i'm never going to debump someone's preconceived notion, nor is that my job to. my job is to tell everybody who i am and what i stand for. >> reporter: he is already heading to new hampshire. he has a schedule there that includes 11 different locations. he plans on doing that over the labor day weekend. it is a grueling schedule, just like here in iowa. he's going to come from new hampshire home, then right back to iowa. what ramaswamy tell us is with ground game and energy, jake, he is in it to matter. >> that's a grueling schedule, but maybe not so much if you're only 38 years old. 38, anybody can do that, but not to take away from what he's doing. i'm just saying he's young. kyung lah, thank you. here to talk to me about this, scherr michael, and shermichael, what do you make of this guy? >> remember, rick perry once upon a time was leading for a couple beaks. dr. ben carsing, we led for about 60, 90 days. this is part of the process. much very unique ideas, they excite the base, if you will. so i think it's exciting during the debate, but when i look at iowa, new hampshire, i don't see a clear path for ramaswamy, nor do i see voters moving to his corner. >> president to get your view on this. a lot of republicans like forward to his foreign policies really putin friendly. to be clear, he wants to cede territory in ukraine. he wants to end security assistance to ukraine, block ukraine's membership to nato, and ends sanctioning on russia. >> you know who else wants to do those? the front-runner of the republican primary, donald trump. in that way he's very much aligns himself. there's a moment when nikki went at it with the vivek, what he's saying is going to destroy democracy, and he has no foreign policy experience, and neither did donald trump. that certainly didn't help him. economic advancement, health care, those are issues very much aligned with the indian-american community and asian american commute at large with the voting population on the margins can make differences like georgia and north carolina. president trump has made inroads with asian americans. the right wing has made inroads with this community. this is pardon of why we saw a standardbearer against affirmative action. this is part of the movement of bringing the idea of entrepreneurship into the republican party fold. it's concerning to democrats, because traditionally the coalition of people of color has voted democrat. >> just to be clear, asian american, you're talking about indian, pakistan, not just china and other countries in that part. >> ben benji, i remember every presidential debate when there's a full field, you can usually say there's one person that everyone hail. john edwards was one of those. there was a period where mitt ro romney, and it changed. it's clearly vivek in this incarnation. 9 loathing you can feel so many of them have is almost palpable. >> and can tell we're at the debate strategically it makes sense to go after the person rising in the polls, but i think it goes deeper. for one thing, every person on stage is a current or former grorchor or longtime senator like tim scott. they take governing seriously. they do not like the idea of being lectured by some 38 years old who said they have a simple answer to everything, but there's an interesting thing. everyone has internalized the idea you can't attack trump, even people do clearly loathe hem are reluctant to do it, but you are allowed to attack vivek ramaswamy for saying a lot of the same things. i think you're seeing republicans say, okay, at least we can attack this guy. >> that seems to ring true. i here nikki haley attacking vivek ramaswamy for what donald trump has espoused. >> but he's not donald trump. after the first debate, his favorability has increased. i will say to vivek's credit, a poll came august 4th showing 55% of americans do not want congress to authorize additional funding for ukraine. it's not out of the main. >> it's not. vivek is tapping into something, and saying why are we sending $100 billion here and not addressing the issues at hope? i think he's found a lane, but the question is, that's still trump's lane. >> somebody on the stage needs to be the vice presidential candidate as well. >> not everybody. >> not everybody, especially not vice president pence will be running for that position. that especially giving the connections bringing in minority voters, representation, and trump so far seems to like what vivek has to say. this just into cnn, rudy giuliani has officially pled not guilty in the georgia case. the mug shot is quite an image. that's just the latest news. let's change the subject for one second. mitch mcconnell, i know we all are sending him our best, but he had another serious seeming health moment where he froze up on stage "the national review" put out an editorial. prudence has been part of the hallmarks of his leadership. here is what the ed torrid told cnn this morning. >> these incidents are not normal. even if it's lighthoodeds in, he clearly visibleably has aged hintses his ball fahd in march, and woe think it behooves him to go out on his own terms. >> rich lowery, we've talked about how "the national review" is as closely what you mike call mcconnellism on media outlet on the planet. for them to say it is pretty serious. there's a big subtext, they're all trying to attack biden on his age in 2024. you're seeing some republicans explicitly say this. jettisoning mcconnell mike make it easier. >> the average age of congress is 67, which is an argue that hits back. thank you all. have a great labor day weekend. from private conversations to all-out feud, cnn reporting on the frustration between president biden and mayor eric adams. and the statements in just from pentagon, after cnn pushed for some specific answers to questions about the deadly bombing at abbey gate that skilled 13 u.s. service members in afghanistan two years ago. stay with us. fed him kibble it just seemed like the thing to do. but he was getting picky, and we starteded noticing some allergy symptoms. we heard about the farmer's dogg and it was a cocomplete transformation. his allergies were going away and he just had amazing energy. it's a no-brainer that remi should have the best nutritious and delicious food possible. i'm investing in my dog's health and happiness. ♪ get started at longlivedogs.com hi, we've both got a big birthday coming up. so we have a lot of questions about medicare plans. we've got a lot of answers! how can i help? 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>> the words are really intense. one person close to the mayor said the white house has made the conscious decision that it's better to have new york suffer than to fix the problem. what was said not on the record or not even on background, some of it much rougher, granted more from the adams side, but both sides. >> this isn't a fight he necessarily wants to have. this doesn't help eric adams necessarily. what does he wants that says president biden and the administration are not given him. >> you heard it there he wants expedited work permit. occurrence law cease he can work legally, but they have to wait at least 180 days to get that. in that interim period they need shelter and access to service. and the people we see coming don't necessarily have ties to the u.s. they come here not knowing anyone or having any sense of direction. that's causing strain on the new york city system. when you talk to white house officials, they're concerned about this, because they're fighting with a high-profile democrat, but they're saying there is only so much we can do. the rest will likely face legal challenges. we can't expedite it with out other importance executive action. >> tell us about a moment from october. >> the relationship with biden and adams started in such a strong way, when adam won the primary, by inviting him to the white house, a great new face of modern, pragmatic democrats. quickly that devolved, but before they were riding together in new york in a limo, gave him heart of his sandwich, and then in october of last year, adams is sitting in ron klain's office, white house chief of staff's office, and said to the two of them and some other aides, there's no leadership here. the kinds of things that he started to say in private have now bubbled up in public, but it is a really part of this breakdown fro the bottom line, this frustration is real. didn't the biden administration also do more? >> that's the ask. there's other democratic-led cities that are dealing with this. denver, sacramento, washington, d.c. this is a real issue as the administration sees more numbers. great reporting. priscilla and isaac, we appreciate it. last month marked two years, two years since the deadly bombing at kabul's abbey gate, that killed 13 u.s. service members during the withdrawal from afghanistan. more than 170 afghans, but why? what happened? did u.s. intelligence suspect that anything was coming? more than two years later, in fact just minutes ago, gold star families got a new response after cnn pressed for answers. we'll bring that story to you, next. guys, c'mon! mom, c'mon! mia! 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to be frank, we're knee-deep in bullshit. >> reporter: an emotional hearing on capitol hill with testimony from families of the 13 members killed two years ago. there was understandable anger. >> i identify as a father, a husband, a pissed-offend patriot and now a gold star dad. >> i want to know why the current administration isn't able to take responsibility for their actions in the days and weeks and the months leading up to this fateful day. >> reporter: gold star families still desperately seeking answers about what happened to their loved ones on that day. >> our armed services questioned air support, multi-pal, multiple military personnel saying, this is not a good idea. our snipers asking for permission to engage, every one of them ignored. these are red flags. why were they ignored? >> reporter: some of the families pointing to previous testimony given by another marine who was on the same mission, marine sergeant tyler vargas andrews, who said he and other marines believed they saw a man who fit the description of a suicide bomber, but had been denied authority to engage. >> we asked if we could shoot, our batallion commander said, and i quote, we were ignored. no one was held accountable for our safety. >> reporter: a review the witness testimonies from a pentagon investigation reveals conflicting recollections, saying one that all were aware. another say occasionally marines were saying a guy looks suspicious. you would look at the guy and think, may. a third sail it's possible we saw him, but we don't have a solid description of who he was. >> reporter: marine tristan hirsch told his local newspaper, we knew about him two days prior to the attack. the cia let us know. he looked exactly as they described him. cnn could not get in touch with hirsch. cnn sought to get some answers this week. >> it's been testified that they spotted someone who said they matched the description, but were denied permission to engage the threat. do you know would why? >> it was a very challenging situation, military commanders on the ground made the best decisions and provided their best military advice based on what was known at the time. >> reporter: another looming question -- whether u.s. intelligence knew of an isis style cell was staging at a nearby isis-k later claimed responsibility for the attack. >> you're telling me couldn't have precision dropped on the isis-k members? this was all actionable intel that we sat on. nothing was done. why? >> reporter: a new book by one of the republican committee staffers, journalist jerry dunleavy notes in two different pentagon report, u.s. intelligence wanted to strike the hotel, but determined it was infeasible due to the negative response from the taliban. another report said it was asked, but the taliban never did. general mccontendsies denied these claims in september 2021. >> general mckenzie, is it instrument that u.s. forces had the isis-k cell under surveillance prior to august 26th and could have truck them before the deadly terrorist attacks, but were not given the authority to strike? >> no, that's not true. >> reporter: this week cnn followed up. >> they were denied to conduct an air strike. to your knowledge, is that true and why were they denied, if so? >> at the tactical level, the assessment was the abbey gate attack was not preventable without degrading the mission and the leaders on the ground followed proper measures and procedures. >> reporter: chairman of the joint chiefs of staff put out a statement, in part, we owe gold star families everything. we owe them transparency, honesty, accountability, we owe them the truth. >> they are sons and daughters, brothers and sisters that are pawns in some agenda, and we deserve some information and collaboration from all political parties. now, for the last couple days we've been reaching out to the biden administration for reaction and for a guest, anyone who would be willing to answer some of the questions we posted on this piece on camera. they declined, but minutes ago, a pentagon gave us an extensive statement. we will put it on cnn.com, but here's the bottom line on whether snipers could have taken out the suspected sniper. we did not have intelligence that identify a description of the bomber. the preponderance of the intelligence indicated a complex attack like a car bomb. the statement goes on to say, furthermore descriptions in the media included in this recently released book do not match the actual description of the bomber, so it's possible if a sniper had taken a shot on this individual, he very well could have been killing an innocent person. according to the rules of engagement any service members can use legal force if they determine there's a threat to themselves or coalition forces. unquote. on the second question we raised, about the air strike, the pentagon said, quote -- according to the commanders in kabul there were not any vetted strikes denied. we never had the precise intelligence. it is accurate we asked the taliban to raid or search areas. they had searched some, did not search others. we'll continue tots search for answers. alisha lopez, her son hunter lopez, is among the 13 service members killed in the bombing. first of all, thank for you joining us. tell bus your son. what do you want our viewers to know about him? >> thank you, first of all, i appreciate your time in telling our children's story. my son, as well as the other 12, are nothing short but heroes. they went out there and did their job and did their job, knowing that there was an imminent danger. they still continued to try to get as many people out of afghanistan as much as they could. >> the pentagon statement about these two questions that we raised, that were brought up in the hearing earlier this week, among gold star family, the statement seemed to suggest that there was not any actionable intelligence when 2 came to the suicide bomber in order for a sniper to take him out before the bombing, and there was not any intelligence that would have merited an air strike on the hotel so. that's their basic answer. i'm wondering what you think about that, and if you heard anything new in what the poke sent us today? >> this is the first i hear that the pentagon even responded, but -- >> i great with you, it just happened minutes ago. we'll put the whole same on, but they have never more directly addressed these two questions. >> yeah. well, if their statement that they released today is anything like the d.o.d. report we received at our homes, it's short of accurate information. they failed to speak with people that were there, important people like sergeant tyler vargas, who had his -- the bomber in his sights, and they did not speak with him. there were several marines that were injured that were not spoken to. so their statements that they release is short of incomplete and not correct, and it's been two years, and so i don't really believe them. >> you and your husband attended the roundtable that congressman mccall, the chairman of the house committee held last month, what answers were you looking for? and have you gotten any answers? >> sadly, we have not received any answers. we have requested true accountability and validation of the stonries that the marines that were junior and were there have told us. we have requested numerous times to have my son's property returned to us. that, again, has been ignored. they have nod gt given that to . just accurate statements of where my child was at the time of the bombing, where he took his last breath, all of that, we have no information on any of that. >> i want to play something your husband said during the august roundtable. >> we find ourselves reading sanitized letters from the white house on this anniversary of the tragic day, seemingly authored to appease gold star families, but with overall indifference to all the families and veterans who fought in afghanistan, and all who were injured during these two decades of war. >> it sounds like he feels the biden administration would rather forget about afghanistan and the pain caused by what happened during the withdrawal. >> absolutely. we -- we have requested numerous times to speak with somebody from the white house, the president, anybody that was there and that made the decisions that they made. however, none of them have responded to our invitation. again, we sit with reports that they came to our house and said that this was a true and accurate investigation of what happened, and it falls short from the actual truth. >> alisha lopez, thank you so much. may hunter's memory be a blessing. >> thank you so much. appreciate it. coming up, the controversial vote next week for the women's tennis situation which could put one of their major tennis tournament in a place where women are not exexactly respect, sasaudi arabia. type 2 diabetes? 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>> well, i think it all is about the money, jake. it's interesting how this all came about. this started when the wta championships were originally being played in china. of course, in 2020 the pandemic hit. what happened after that, you know, the wta made the moral decision not to go back to china because of the situation with the chinese player. so what's happened since, jake, is that the women's tour finals have gotten to various countries, even here in the u.s., in mexico. it's on the table now, one of the places it could go is saudi arabia. what i've justin told by a source very close to the decisionmaking process, that that is not going to happen this year. but it's still on the table for potential next year and in years down the road. the quick answer to the question is, of course, jake, it's always about the money. >> as you noted, we saw the wta in april walk back the stance against holding any tournaments in china. of course, they first took a moral stance, then they didn't -- here are images of p peng -- how did the individual players feel? to say the least, saudi arabia -- women just -- the right to walk down the street dressed like a women's tennis player in the united states would want to walk is nonexistent. >> well, let's take a step back for a second, jake. i think the women's tennis association has been at the forefront of many, many positive things. >> of course. >> celebrating 50 years of equal prize money at the u.s. open being celebrated this year, and in honor of billie jean king, and michelle obama were there on open night. i find it disconcerting those of us in the media and sports world take shots at professional athletes for participating in a sport that they're paid to do, whereas, you know, the u.s. government is still investment involved with saudi arabia. >> sure. >> i have many friends, as i'm sure you do, jake, in the financial world, who they always say the money is in that part of the world. we need to go there to raise money. so i find it a bit off-putting that we're always picking on the athletes for doing this. yes, it's about the money. i think the individual players understand the dilemma they face, but at the end of the day, it's their professional reputation, it's what they do for a living, and i don't see anybody in the business community not going to certain countries in the middle east, because they're chasing the money. it's just that we're not talking about it on television. >> that's a totally fair criticism. i will note that we are pretty vicious when it comes to the way that biden, trump, obama, on and on have acquiesced and bowed down, sometimes literally before the rulers of saudi arabia, and we're pretty critical of the liv golf tournament as well. one other note about the wta and all they have done, i guess that's why it's so disappointing, because they have fought for so much, to elevate women and girls, not just in tennis, but in society. that's why this stings a little for those of us who are fans. >> i think that's very valid. i think, by the way, i wasn't taking a shot at you as all. >> i know. i know. >> and martina, and chris evert have spoken out, and maybe the wta won't go there. i personally don't think they should go there, that's me personally, but when you have other sporting organizations going there, and other people going there for business reasons, to me it's tough to take a shot it he wta. they have to deal with the pragmatism of the business they're trying to run. the other interesting twist, when you think that sports and politics adopt mix, one of the other venues they're talking to is in the czech republic. and there's rumblings that they won't let in russian and belarusian players into the country, so another wrinkle in this whole situation. >> it's all fascinating and always great to talk with you, sir. i hope you have a great weekend. >> have a great weekend. one of louisiana's only pedi pediatric cacardiologist. the decision t to leave louisia, that's next. id me right on the . sell your car at carvana dot com today. try killing bugs the worry-free way. not the other way. zevo traps use light to attract and trap flying insects with no odor and no mess. they work continuously, so you don't have to. zevo. people-friendly. bug-deadly. mara, are you sure you don't want -to go bowling with us tonight? 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