through the streets because he is about to become assassinated. i think about all those different moments. you are right, not only was that the issue, abby, tonight is also the day that they're great marshall was also sworn in as a supreme court justice. and icon and role roe model -- >> the echoes of history, laura, have a great show. thank you. >> thank you so, much we're gonna talk more all about that later. good evening everyone, i am laura coates. look, there is frankly, there is one big headline after another tonight. you've got the tale of two courtrooms. one is in fulton county, georgia. the other, in washington d.c.. and here we are on the 60th anniversary of the march on washington, learning new details about the latest racially motivated shootings. in jacksonville. we are going to step back tonight. we are going to examine all of the -- michael eric dyson, get his take on the context. plus we will give you the very latest and tropical forms threatening the florida coast as well. we are also gonna talk with olympic gold medalist -- about one simone biles, there she is right there. now the most decorated gymnast in history. but first, i want to introduce you to things. january 6th, well, meet march the 4th. that's the trial date now set by a federal judge tanya chutkan right here in washington d.c.. now trump's attempts to kick the can all the way down the road to 2026, everyone, it failed. the judge funding there was no reason they could not be ready within, really, a year. and neither his personal more his nor his professional life should impact that, even if he is trying to be at the head of a separate but coequal branch of government. now that days interesting for a number of reasons in history, for you buffs out. their 243 years ago, that same day, was the day of the constitution went into effect. and now it's a day 20 former president of the united states will go on trial for trying to subvert that constitution. it also happens to be the day before super tuesday, one about 12 states will vote on who should be the republican nomination nominee. going forward, it is also about eight months from the general election, one where trump is hoping to get a total of eight years in office if reelected. now, that date, of course, it's not set in stone. travel dates have to be pushed back. they can also get moved, up as you know. you know, one way to guarantee maybe it's getting moved up? trump's own conduct. we have already heard the judge chutkan warning that if he tries to intimidate witnesses, or try to poison the jury pool. well, we might have an even earlier trial date. the other way, trump will have to be off the campaign trail to sit at a trial that might take at least eight weeks. here with me on the studio, national security attorney bradley, mosque -- associate white house counsel for president george w. bush, and marcus childress who was investigative counsel to january 6th committee. i am so glad you are all with me here today. first of, all we will take the history dates aside for a moment. march 4th of 2024 is not 2026, okay? it's very obvious. but it's a very soon date considering the fact that, look, we have got four trials. this is one of the most consequential ones. i want to begin with. you because you were on january 6th investigative counsel committee. that notion, the fact that it's gonna be march 4th, before super tuesday, before a general election. is that the right call from this judge? >> i think from the very beginning they set the tone and we're doing a pretty tight indictment here try to troll fast. prosecutors again repeating this notion of providing the documents and actually identify for them them for you in a way that you can see exactly how substantial they are. that's why i'm not gonna say it's the right or wrong decision, but it allows the court to have a little bit of slip to the left, right? if they are offering child motions at the trump team may file. it allows a little time and delay and still have this -- with a busy calendar ahead. >> so to the, left you don't mean politics? you just mean you have had -- >> correct. correct, thank you. the colloquialism, he didn't like, that okay? calm down. i see you, thank you very much. thinking about the room you would have to move, you know what trump would say? election interference! not from his own allegations, but instead, he would, say bradley, this is the judge trying to interfere with an election. and she doesn't care about his campaign schedule, i mean, there are others who have had to prioritize a court hearing over their personal lives. what do you say about argument to a judge? that you are committing election interference, your honor. if you don't have the trial date after the general election. >> let me know when they slap on the cuffs, if i respond. >> okay. >> if the indictments came now and the trial happens in 2020, for he is going to play with election interference. if he loses in 20 foreign runs again? you cannot claim a trial that would be election interference. and the prosecution of this man in his view its election interference, because nobody is ever allowed to prosecute donald trump, no one has ever been allowed to hold him accountable. there are only people who can old him accountable is himself and nobody else is permitted. the idea of holding this in 2026 was preposterous. the charges already that, she still gave him more time which i thought was sufficient. i thought it was reasonable, i thought the government would have been wanting to go way too quickly to january. was it enough time with pretrial motions. you know those are going to get appealed away. putting it in march gives some buffer room. i still think it's actually pushed to the summit this point, almost certainly will have a pile of litigation in this. but i think it was a reasonable compromise given what is essentially a very straightforward case. >> some are still of course not in the elections, and that was an october surprise, i wonder if we will get to that point. i want to tell, you general, there was a moment where the attorney who ordered from before says he doesn't have enough time to get up to speed here. and i tell you what, here's what the judge said. she pushed back, saying any agent diligent, zealous defense lawyer, would not have been sitting on their hand waiting for an indictment. is she right? >> absolutely, i mean, look,. he should have been prepping for a long time, the defendants should have had counsel, they should've been prepped, there is no question she is right about that. the problem with setting this trial, date even if it moves back to the summertime, it plays right into donald trump's hand. he is going to keep saying election interference. he is going to keep saying, i am off the campaign trail, i cannot campaign effectively. this is a democrat appointed judge, trying to prevent me from succeeding in my campaign for the presidency. and this is the challenge, right? when the justice department brings the charge, the president who oversees the justice department is running for reelection, right? this will be a whole different prosecution if joe biden were running for president, if donald trump were running for, president and works literally right in the heart of the primary, and eventually the general election season. >> yet there have been many looking at this and saying, the reason you announced your candidacy mr. trump, was because you are not necessarily running towards the presidency, you are running from an indictment. with incredible weather that is true or not, some say he is walking to the presidency more he is run to the presidency -- by the end of the day, when you look at this and think of the consequential nature of this, right? this is somebody who in the january 6th committee, from liz cheney to adam kinzinger, 80 raskin, and beyond. it was about an ongoing threat. there is an election, as we know with democracy, that's right around the corner. the fact that he is saying, look, this is a politicization of what is happening. are you buying that based on your experience of what you saw with the january 6th committee? >> aquino is today from the members of kinzinger and miss cheney, others saying that laws are just words on paper in less than those who are elected carrying the mountain and force, them and follow them, right? as with so investigation is been about, making sure that our elected officials actually enforce the laws that are on the books, because that is a key to our democracy. >> it's also the actual marching corners of the head executive branch of government, right? who endorsed the laws. think about, this march 4th is but many of the cases that he has. including several, we are gonna talk more about that. but when you look at the references that are being made to the prosecution, and frankly that i read that he had about $7 million that he was able to fund-raise off of the indictments? >> just off that photograph. >> off of the photograph, that crazy photo. >> i mean, that is really telling to me. is it for you as well? how this might in fact how he continues with the defense? he's not saying i didn't, do it he is just saying, yeah, i did, it next? >> to the contrary, he is actually succeeding with his base. this is going to draw his base out to vote. in an election where turnout matters a ton, right? he is going to get his base out to vote every single day of this trial going forward. he's raising more money, this is bad politically for the biden administration. it is a winner for trump, it helps him win reelection. that's a disaster for anybody who thinks donald trump ought to be in jail. >> as they, say but, wait there's more, because georgia is on our mind as well. so shadow to re-charles. thinking about, are you talking about sam cook, why not add him into the mix. let me ask you, georgia in fulton county case, there was a hearing today involving mark meadows, involving raffensperger, facts finding inquiry about whether or not to move that case into the district court of georgia. expanding, of course, the jury pool, based on the fact that mark meadows says, look, i thought this was part of my job. what is your reaction? >> the devil went on to georgia and he found this would have chief of staff, he can do just about anything. it doesn't matter if there is no law on the, books it doesn't matter if there is no policy, i am just a gatekeeper for the president. he wants to make phone calls about things that have nothing to do with the presidency, but have to do with him as a candidate, i am just doing my work as a federal employee. it would be a complete evaporation of the entire idea of what is and is not your role as a federal officer. he was the white house chief of staff, he had any number of responsibilities to serve the president in that capacity. nothing tied to the campaign would have been within that scope, nothing tied to campaign litigation would have been within that scope. the federal government, the executive branch, is deliberately excluded from these parts of the process of deciding who won the presidency. there was no role for the white house there. >> i'm gonna, say i was just happy that mark meadows testified today, i, mean that something we didn't get on january 6th committee. but going back to the evidentiary hearing, this wasn't really an issue of facts. it wasn't. issue of interpretation of law. right? you have the mercado's team on one side saying that there is broad powers and broad scope within the official chief of staff. and then you have the prosecutors saying that it was a political call, right? that secretary raffensperger -- comes down to hope a court interprets and draws the line of what's the official duty reciprocal act. and whether the court actually just draw that line. but there was no real issue or genuine issue a fact. here just gonna be how the court interprets the law. >> well the court did not rule today -- whether it will be a successful claim, we'll have to wait and. see look at, this beginning of a joke right now. fort lawyers walk into a studio. okay, bradley, moss -- marcus, thank you everyone. look, we are never, we have actually, never by the, way seen anything like we are talking about today. a former president facing a total of 91 charges and four criminal cases, four different jurisdictions, two federal, two state cases. all that while he is in the middle of running for a second term? 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chris case and lindsay haugen. now, if that date, holds it means that we would be deep into the nominating calendar of the presidential run. and let's not forget that there is more, 250 million dollar civil trial in new york brought by new york a.g. laetitia james, that's set for october 2nd, 2023 and she's alleging fraud by, trump's oldest children, and also his companies. but wait, there's more. because on january 15th of 2024, a manhattan federal judge said that trump is gonna go on trial in a defamation lawsuit brought by writer e. jean carroll. that's for a second time. coming now to discuss, is the host of the -- judge hatchet, judge linda hatchette. she is also the counsel at stuart miller simmons trial attorneys. so glad to hear you today, i have to tell, you you are out of breath going through all of the different trials that this man has in front of him. not to mention, of course, the big trial of trying to be the president of the united states yet again. have you ever seen anything close to this scope, this type of high profile nature for all of these cases? at such a high-profile defendant, judge hatch? it >> absolutely not, laura. i was just sitting here thinking, as you are going through all of those, that this is such a situation that we have never seen, ever, in this country. and so it is almost like a jigsaw puzzle, this case is gonna go over. and the reality is that any one of these cases, let's talk about the federal case, in d.c., in the fulton county case. those cases alone, particularly in fulton county, it will take weeks if not months to even find a jury. and we are seeing that in a richer case now in fulton county, so when you look at this calendar and you are trying to mesh all of these pieces together, the reality is how this ever would get done in the timetable? not to mention the jury's selection and then you have got to realize these cases will not happen in a matter of few days. these cases were gone for weeks if not months. and so i think we are gonna see a lot of different adjustments on these counters, the judge in d.c. has been very here that clear this is not going to happen 26 to 2026, it's gonna happen in march of 2024. and so i think that we are going to see that happen, i think we are gonna see that date hold fairly close to that. and d.a. willis. >> you know, d.a. willis a think is very interesting, because she has really called it, they say they want to have a speedy trial and only will i give you a speedy trial but i will even up the ante, we will have a date in october. so, you know, you have to be careful what you ask for. >> we'll be careful what you wish, for because you just might get. it of course, the trial -- five of the defendant in georgia, there is that sort of shorter time frame, but i do wonder, you heard me saying leading up to our conversation here -- to chat it, the idea of the repeat attorneys at your. hearing the idea of trying to coordinate, the idea of trying to say, listen, your honor, in one jurisdiction you have got to cut him some slack, because i have another case and another. the judges aren't going to want to be coordinating with each other and trying to figure out how they can juggle with your schedules. my mom says, your emergency has not become my emergency. but there is a moment, judge, when trump posted on truth social that he is going to appeal at least judge chutkan's decision about having that march 2024 date. and he like to stand on here over a judge setting a trial date? >> absolutely not, and that's just this blowing smoke and delay tactic. that will not happen, that you cannot appeal her decision about setting a trial. don't you just simply cannot. it won't happen, it simply won't happen. >> how about the coordination between -- judge chutkan actually said she spoke with the judge overseeing trump's criminal case in manhattan. because, remember, that is also set for march. and so the idea of a march date in new york, which is at the state level, of course, the march date in the federal court in washington d.c., does that mean that the federal trial in that conversation would have said, look, i'm going to have to flex the idea of being a federal judge, gonna have to reschedule with your date. or do they both just go the same month and that's it? >> i don't think they'll go the same on, and i would think the manhattan d.a. would then concede that they need to let the federal judge go first on this. and if i were in her situation, i would flex my muscles, i would say, listen, i have this. day this is gonna happen. we need to have this happen. and i think really the most compelling cases, frankly, from my perspective, this one in d.c. and the one in fulton county. and frankly, i think that those should take. president of, course it is not my decision. it's going to be very interesting to see others works out. but i think that people have to understand that it's going to take forever to strike juries in these cases, as i said before. and these cases are not civil cases. they will go on for a very, very long time. i think it's also interesting, i had to tell, you laura, that i, i don't mean to talk about this, but everybody thinks and talks about pardons. and i have to say that in georgia, there is no such thing. there is no such thing as getting out of jail free. so i've been watching what is happening in federal court, meadows, perhaps clark, trump will follow. because really you can't get pardoned. the governor no longer can do that. that was changed back in the 1940s. and you have to literally serve your sentence in georgia. in five years, it has to collapse before you can even ask for a pardon. so if they don't get removed, it's very interesting. and i will tell you, in full disclosure, fani considers me a mentor, and i've been encouraging her. i think she is doing an amazing job. and when she says she is ready in october, you can bet she is gonna be ready. >> you have been mentoring her on this case specifically, or just in general? >> no, just in general. generally. >> you've spoken to her about this case in particular. >> no, no, i reach out to her for encouragement, but we have not talked specifically about this case. >> interesting to, know and the point, just to clarify, for the audience. there is pardon rights in georgia, it's just that this would not be a federal pardon noble offense, even if removed according to what happened, because it would still be a state law that would be implicated in georgia. it should be if convicted, a state conviction, which means that it would go to a pardon board. and you have to wait five years to even qualify in georgia electoral. but it's, funny just one more point, judge hatch it, you know, the fact that right now we are at a point when it's the decision between whether alvin bragg's case goes forward first in manhattan, or jack smith's case goes forward in washington d.c.. the child, it wasn't that the first question everyone raised with alvin bragg, why should his case go first? 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>> well, it is great always to be on with you. it's an extraordinary moment, i had the great honor to speak at the 60th anniversary march on saturday. it was remarkable. think about it. dr. king stood at the sunlit summit of expectation in august, 20, eight of 1963. as a 34-year-old man and echoed across the century and into our own. a demand for justice rooted deeply in the american dream and at that point he was an amber sonia an american, constantly reinventing himself and the nation that he brought along with him to see justice through the lens of those who had been bitterly denied. to think about the fact that that march was held on the eighth anniversary of the murder of emmett till, a young teenage boy in chicago, illinois, visiting his relatives in money, mississippi, and was murdered for the crime, supposedly, of even glancing at a white woman and whistling at her. though that has been denied. the point is that when you think about the march, you think about emmett till, you think about jacksonville florida where a man with lethal intent went to murdered black people, starting first at edward walters college where he was rebuffed and then went to $1 store seeking black flashed to not emancipate, but eviscerate. to destroy. we are still living with white supremacy in our own culture and until we are able to face it is squarely we will not be able to get rid of the shadow of this horrible sensation. by saying, this the governor of florida said that this guy was a scumbag. you talked about the fact that this was unacceptable. no governor, you are fueling and feeding the deepest animus against blackness, the anti-blackness that threat itself through our culture and sometimes that flares up and flashes in acts of hate and destruction that we saw the other day. he and the rest of us much's check ourselves to make sure we are not contributing to a worsening situation. >> naturally he would disagree with what you said about that aspect of it because he appeared, of course, at a vigil but was heckled and booed at that crowd. likely for the reasons that you have just enunciated and articulated for us today. it occurs to me that as we were just talking there was a moment, how does one, given the fact that woke culture, so to speak, has been attacked? how racism his taught in classrooms in florida, i wonder how, right now, a student body would learn about this moment in jacksonville florida? what detention there is breaking out,, professor that one likely could not learn about the hate crime have been committed, perhaps, that took place in florida given the tensions that were outlined with how one can teach about race in america in florida? >> yes, that is brilliantly articulated and it would be extremely difficult. why? because the governor explicitly stated when he signed that, quote, anti-woke bill, that i'm not against you hinging slavery and the like, i just don't want you to draw a relationship between the past and present. yet, what we saw manifest in jacksonville, florida, it was the living haunted past asserting itself with lethal intensity in our present. the bigotry and hatred of a young white man, not an elderly man, a young white man, which means the pathology of racism is reproducing itself was frightening frequency. so we wouldn't be able to talk about it, we wouldn't be able to speak about it. he said he doesn't want to make, the governor, our children, or white children uncomfortable. there is no true education without discomfort. unless you are just -- uncomfortable with your ignorance, they'll never learn. instead of learning the so-called skills that enslaved people learn,. why is it that people are so addicted to being a sleeve? frederick douglass said that in slavery there is no greater punishment for black people than sleeping. now they want to go back to sleep. banned books, bland back bodies, and blackberries. this is a trauma unless we address it directly and the governor, i think, is on the wrong side of history. >> there was a recent pew research study that found that racial equality is still a work in progress. in fact, 52% of americans say there has been a great deal or fair amount of progress on racial equity in the last 60 years. that number, i don't know, 52% is almost a failing great, is it not? we're talking about a school, a lot more work to be done. i want to talk into you as an ordained minister to come full circles to the moments on the steps of the lincoln memorial and you speaking on saturday. what gives you hope for the future? what kind of changes do you see when you look at hope to get there with us? >> look, this is the 50th anniversary of hip-hop, the 60th anniversary of the march on washington. those two things are not as dissimilar as we might believe. five years after martin luther king junior is murdered an art form took place in the desolate, desperate the bronx and a culture emerged and black people whose backs were against the wall, who are desperate for economic equality, they came the most powerful art form we have ever imagined. you might say my god, what does a jay-z or little wayne or drake have to do with the dream of martin luther king and hope. i believe that no matter how much we are pressed, as we join together as american citizens, as a culture to determine that what we face will not determine our trajectory, then we will move. now, it by saying it, the great determinist said that you had a choice. you are either a victim of an event or you are a prisoner of hope. don't produce your dreams to the event you confront, choose it to be a prisoner of hope. i choose to be a prisoner of hope because i refused to believe that this great country cannot deliver on its promises if we put the elbow grease in and the determination to move forward. >> look, you made the intersection between hip-hop and what happened, i'm gonna paraphrase that you're not just an education man, you're an education man. i'm so glad you stopped by, michael eric dyson, thank you. >> mc laura coates, thank. you >> all make it stick. thank you so much. the greatest of all time, simone biles winning a record eight u.s. gymnastics title and changing the entire culture of that sport. gold medalist dominic dawes is here to talk about all of this right after this. ♪ chevy silverado has what it takes to do it all. with up to 13 camera views. and the z71 off-road package. ♪ you ok? 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( ♪ ) ( ♪ ) ( ♪ ) ( ♪ ) constant contact delivers the marketing tools your small business needs to keep up, excel, and grow. constant contact. helping the small stand tall. it is never been done before. simone biles making history, the four-time olympic gold medalist won her record eight u.s. all around title at the u.s. gymnastics championships just yesterday. an incredible accomplishment in a career full of incredible accomplishments, coming just two years after she pulled out of several events at the tokyo olympics. what is known as the twisties, a mental block causing a gymnast to lose track of their positions in mid air. joining me now is u.s. olympic gold medalist dominique dawes, i'm so incredibly thrilled to have her on the program. i have been a fan for years, we all are and art of this very day. i am so excited to have one, you hear, but also we are celebrating simone biles as well. dominic, my daughter is just now starting gymnastics and my heart is like racing whenever she does anything and i looked into someone like simone biles and of course do you and think, oh my god, how in the world can you do these difficult routines? talk to me about just how difficult this really is. >> very. very difficult. i've been in the sport of gymnastics for 18 years and seeing what simone is doing these days, it gives me goose bumps. it makes me think about my olympic pursuits, making it to three different olympic games and she is on track to making it to the 2024 olympic games and paris and, as you are going to experience with your daughter, it is a grind. there's the physical commitment, the emotional toll, the mental toll, the social aspect, and i give it to simone. it she is 26 years, old she is the best that she has been and i think she is only going to get better. it is a delight now for myself as a mother of four to have her as a role model for my little kids. >> it's incredible to think that that journey she has had and you know how invested one has to be. unlike of the team sports of course, it gymnastics is individual. the weight of the world on your shoulders, and the decisions you have to make to make sure that you are safe, no one else gets to decide that but you. two years ago, in tokyo, she suffered what is known as the twisties. tell me about how significant that really is and how do you overcome? it >> she went through a trying time at the 2021 tokyo olympic games. what i love about her story is that it did not and there, and that is what we don't want to have, this is the mentality that we step out of the game. what we need to see in simone right now is stepping back into the game. while she went through what she went through in tokyo, she is now facing her fears and watching her interviews following championships, she is doing it for herself. what i love is that she lived a full life, she is a business woman, she's a wife, and by the way she is training for her third olympic games and doing an amazing job. >> there is a moment that she has talked about after winning her latest. she said i'm going to keep my goals personal, and myself. i want to make sure that i know that this is for me and why, i always say, the why you are doing something. the pressure will only increase with each historic moment that she achieved. how do you cope with that idea of being alone in that moment, representing a sport, representing history, and then possibly, if she does do this again, the nation? >> yes, she is about to be the third american female gymnast to qualify to three olympic games. i was the second at the 2000 olympic games in australia, and as you can tell 23 years later it hasn't been done. she is going to do that and it is on her own terms. i would be remiss in not saying that today's culture and the sport of gymnastics as a healthier culture. i started my own academy in the midst of the global pandemic to be part of this positive change. it is dominic dawes gymnastics academy, i opened my second in rock ville, maryland, and looking at future locations down the road. simone has been a part of that positive culture change and that is why you can see her on the floor smiling, celebrating herself, celebrating her teammates. that is not something that was allowed back in the 90s during my era. she's a part of the positive change and it's why i think she will continue to thrive. >> our best wishes to you, i know that you will thrive in all that you do. you continue to be a champion for so many reasons, not the least of which is an entrepreneur and obviously for the team of gymnastics and the sport in and of itself. something tells me that you say that she is 26 years old and then i read things like she is the oldest gymnast ever i'm thinking, wait a second? i'm sorry? not the oldest ever, but why is that the age? >> yeah, i think being obviously a three-time olympian myself, i was 23 at my last olympic games and i was on arthritic medication that i needed to get off of because it was going to damage my kidneys. it is hard, it is grueling, the physical toll, the commitment, the dedication, the emotional toll, the mental toll. as i even mentioned earlier, the social toll. i'm not by any means, simone biles is not one dimensional. she is married, a businesswoman, but for many gymnast when you are in the grind that is all you do, it's all you, know and that is my life. i lived in a leotard, i would only have friends that war leotard. it's all i did and i think today the culture that is changing in the sport, even at my academies we embrace athletes that want to play multiple sports. i embrace the gymnastics being great for a healthy foundation for that multi sport athlete. i have four beautiful kids, all four of them do gymnastics, but will they become highly competitive gymnasts? no, absolutely not. i have been in the sport because i truly believe it is the strongest foundation that you can give your child, you don't have to burn them out along the way. but they're going to play soccer, la crosse, diving, baseball, tennis, golf, you name it. i think that is how the sport of gymnastics now has changed. people realize that you don't have to be this highly competitive athlete to be considered a gymnast, even get into it and learn this beautiful fundamentals. >> amazing to think, you should know obviously if you don't already, what a role model that you remain for so many in and out of the sport. the two nasty, the, day vacation, at the drive, ambition, and multi dimensionally. dominic dawes, thank you so much for all that you have done. and i can tell everyone, my daughter approached her one day out of the blue at the gymnastics meet. she was kind, sweet, giving, inspirational, and there is not a camera around. so you know who we're talking about right now. dominic dawes, thank you so much. >> thank you so much, i appreciate this opportunity. >> thank you everyone for watching. our coverage continues. i know we have them. oh my god, here it is. whwhen i found that immigration record on ancestry®, it wasas amazing. everything was thehere. the u.s. was in dire need of n nurses during world war i. tía amalia as a nurse in el salvador decided to answer that call. it's a lot of excitement finding something new. i feel like a time traveler. claudia starts calling me. it's a party every time. ♪ with new scope squeez mouthwash concentrate, just add water. squeez to control the strength of your mouthwash. and find a zone all your own. ♪ ♪ scope squeez. we're here today to set the record straight about dupuytren's contracture. surgery is not your only treatment option. people may think their contracture has to be severe to be treated, but it doesn't. visit findahandspecialist.com today to get started. 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