no donald trump, but plenty of fireworks at the first republican debate. >> i'm the only person on the stage who isn't bought and paid for. >> now is not the time for on-the-job training. we don't need to bring in a rookie. >> with the front-runner's legal peril hanging over everything, can any of his rivals break through? republican candidate vivek ramaswamy is here. plus, burning down the house. with president biden's poll numbers stagnant, his one-time competitor heads to a key state with a warning. >> democrats must reject the corporate wing of the party. >> i'll speak with senator bernie sanders in moments. and still dreaming. 60 years later, martin luther king jr.'s vision for america is still very much a work in prog progress. >> let's not give up, let's not give in. >> dr. king's son and family joins me to discuss what still needs to be done to make his dream a reality. hello. i'm dana bash in washington where the state of our union is waking up to tragedy, again. authorities say three black americans and the white shooter are dead after a racially motivated attack in jacksonville, florida. the fbi is investigating it as a hate crime. and the sheriff there said the shooter hated black people and wanted to kill black people. the horrific incident caps off an historic and sad week in the united states. donald trump is now the first president in american history to have a mug shot. and an inmate number to go along with it. trump and his 18 co-defendants have all surrendered at the fulton county jail and tomorrow the legal fights over who goes to trial, where they go to trial, and when they go to trial get underway. while the former president was finalizing his plans to turn himself over in georgia, the republicans hoping to replace him as the leader of their party battled it out on their first debate in the election cycle. and a lot of the not-so-friendly fire was sent in the direction of my first guest. a washington outsider, who has been very much rising in the polls. joining me now is 2024 presidential candidate, vivek ramaswamy. thank you so much for joining me this morning, sir. i want to start with what i began the program with, which is this racist shooter, killing three back people in jacksonville, yesterday. what is your reaction to the shooting? >> it is such a tragedy, and my heart goes out to those families. this should not be happening in the united states of america. and it is wrong. the reality is, we have a mental health epidemic in this country. there are reports that this particular individual, the perpetrator was indeed evaluated for mental health deficiencies as well. and i think we need to have the courage in this country to bring back a practice of putting back psychiatrically ill people who pose a risk to their communities, into psychiatric institutions, not just drugging them up, but faith-based approaches and other approaches that fill our longing for purpose and meaning in this country. i think it is just a shame that we even have mass shootings like this, be it the one that happened in florida, be it the recent one, the nashville shooter in a christian school, killing six in a school. we have to address that mental health epidemic and we need leaders with the courage to do it. but my heart goes out to those families. and i hope something like this never happens again. >> so male is one aspect of these shootings and apparently, and we're still learning a lot about what happened, the facts are still coming out. also, this was very much apparently racially motivated. the sheriff there said point-blank that this shooter had manifestos coming -- three manifestos and said specifically that he went to this dollar store with the intent of killing black people. >> i think that is heinous and deserves to be called out for what it is. the reality is, we've created such a racialized culture in this country in the last several years that right as the last few burning embers were burning out, we have a culture in this country largely created by media and an establishment and university and politicians that throw kerosene on that racism. and i can think of no better way to fuel racism in this country than to take something away from other people on the basis of their skin color. i've been saying that for years. and i think that is driving, sadly, a new wave of anti-black and anti-hispanic racism in this country. i think the right way forward is, if we want to stop hate and discrimination on the basis of race, let's stop discriminating on the basis of race and see what unites us as americans, because i do not think this kind of racial division or any division is good for us as the united states. >> i believe there are a lot of people of color in this country who do not think it was just lasting embers of racism, but that a lot more work had to be done, particularly given the history of the systemic racism in this country with slavery and beyond. i want to ask you about a comment that you made about white supremacy in iowa on friday. >> i've never once encountered that yet m. i'm sure the bogeyman white supremacist exists somewhere in america, but i've never met him. never seen one. never met one in my life. maybe i'll meet a unicorn sooner. and maybe those exist too. >> so, just because somebody hasn't encountered one doesn't mean that the notion of white supremacy doesn't exist as a threat in america. what do you think goes through the minds of the families of the three victims in yesterday's shooting when they hear you say that white supremacy is basically a fantasy? >> i'm sure they're grieving for their loss and i don't want to politicize those victims, dana. this is a very sensitive situation where we should have nothing but foremost respect for those victims and not bring them into partisan politics. but i was responding to a question where someone asked me, what -- what racism have i experienced in recent years? and i answered honestly. most of that racism has come from the modern left. it's happening during the course of this campaign. kara swisher calling me marmaswammy the other day and reveling in making twists of my last name. people reducing me to the color of my skin and -- >> but do you acknowledge that the dogma does still exist in the united states? >> i acknowledge that all forms of racial animus exist in the united states, including fringe branches -- that's clearly what was at the head of this mentally deranged individual responsible for this shooting, yes. but i think there are many forms of mental derangement that cause us to see one another on the basis of our skin color and our attributes. and i think what i need to revive, dana, it's my job as the leader, hopefully as the next president to do this, to revive our doctrine of eplur bus uh unum. our true strength is the set of ideals that unite us. that's my job to revive as our next president. and i think that the next generation in particular is so starved for that, starved for commonality, starved for a nation that is unified, bigger than the sum of its parts, that's what we need to recreate in this country. to those who say the remedy to past discrimination is present discrimination, i say, no. the right remedy is abandoning all discrimination and moving forward with color bl-blind meritocracy in the united states of america. >> you took it to another level on friday, in addition to the comment we played, you took issue with comments from congresswoman ayanna pressley. she reportedly said, quote, we don't need anymore brown faces that done want to be a brown voice. about that, you said, these are the words of the modern grand wizards of the modern kkk. you know, i'm sure, the kk k wa responsible for more than a century worth of horrific lynchings, rapes, murders of black people. how in any way are the views you're talking about are comparable to the views and atrocities committed by the kkk? >> what i said is the grand wizards of the kkk would be proud of what they would hear her say. because there's nothing more racist than saying that your skin color predicts something about the content of your viewpoints or your ideas. >> you didn't just say they would be proud, you said, these are the words of the modern grand wizards of the modern kkk. >> it is the same spirit -- you're right about that, dana. i think it is the same spirit to say that i can look at you and based on just your skin color, that i know something about the content of your character, that i know something about the content of the viewpoints that you're allowed to express. for ayanna pressley to tell me because of my skin color i can't express my views, that is wrong, that is divisive. it is driving hate in this country. >> okay, that is a debate -- >> it is driving this country to a breaking point. >> -- that is a debate that is based on nonviolent discussion, which you just said you're using rhetoric, which you just said, she's using rhetoric. there is -- that's one thing, and another thing is to say that she represents and she is a modern version of a kkk, which as you know, was dedicated to the subjugation and violence against black people. how on earth is she a modern grand wizard of that kind of an organization. >> dana, let's be honest -- let's be intellectually honest and get to the heart of what this debate ought to be about. there is a world view that says that the remedy to past discrimination and present discrimination. that if you're black or brown, you have to have a particular point of view. that's from abraham kennedy and ayanna pressley, the people i quoted in my speech. >> -- but regardless when you accuse her of being a grand wizard of kkk? can you have that intellectually honest discussion -- >> i think the point is -- >> -- with that kind of rhetoric? >> yes, i can, dana, because the point i'm highlight sing is tha even when the people even in good spirit -- we awe ll agree t the k kk was a horrible organization that left a tox instain on our history. now who actually sounds like that organization today? the people who are calling for more racial discrimination on the basis of color? >> but it's not about sounding like -- >> -- a provocative discussion we need to have in this country -- >> and the whole thing about the kkk, it wasn't just about rhetoric. they lynch ped people, they rap people, they murdered people, they burned their homes -- >> and that was obviously wrong. >> so if you want to have an intellectual discussion, do you think maybe compare, her to the grand wizard and the notion of what she said to being a modern leader of the kkk was maybe a step too far? or do you stand by what you said? >> i stand by what i said to provoke an open and honest discussion in this country. because there is a grap, dana, between what people will say in private today, and what they will say in public. i think we need to close that gap. we need to have real hope, honest, raw conversations as americans. that is our path to national unity. and there are many americans today who are deeply frustrated by the new culture of anti-racism -- >> i'm just not sure how provoking a discussion -- >> we need to have that debate in the open. >> dana, with due respect -- >> i'm not sure how provoking a discussion -- >> what many in the media do, picking on some fringe congressmen in the context of a broader context that i was offering it in a speech. >> so you just said that your comment was fringe -- >> let's have the courage to -- >> no, i'm saying you drew -- >> you just described your comment as fringe. >> i described my -- i described you picking one fringe comment from a long speech they gave to duck debate from the real issue that i don't think you don't want to have, dana, because you probably agree with me on this, this is toxic -- >> i think this debate is -- >> -- dividing us on the basis of race. >> i think this debate is fascinating and interesting and opening and important. what i did was -- >> i do too. >> -- explain to our viewers that you were asked a question, and you took it to a point where you called a sitting member of congress, who is black, who was having discussions about race, calling her the modern grand wizard of the kkk. and i'm just not sure how that's an open and honest discussion. i want to move on, though, to another issue. a very important issue. >> but before i move on, i want to say, how was i actually able to speak and her view is, i can't share certain views, because my skin color is brown. i disagree with her and we should have that debate in the open. but yes, let's talk about climate change, because this is critical. >> you said on friday that a man-made climate change has existed as long as man has existed, but i want to read to you part of what the trump administration said in a report. it said, that the earth's climate is now changing faster than at any point in the history of moper civilization, primarily as a result of human activities. do you acknowledge that that is true? >> here's what i acknowledge as true. hard facts. the climate disaster-related death rate, tornadoes, hurricanes, heat waves, it is down by 98% over the last century. for every hundred people who died of a climate-related disaster in 1920, two die today. and the reason why is more abundant and plentiful access and use of fossil fuels. so the same anti-fossil fuel agenda today is actually resulting in more deaths than climate change or man-made climate change itself. eight times as many people today are dying of cold temperatures rather than warm ones, and the right answer to all temperature-related deaths is more plentiful access to fossil fuels. that's the reality of the climate change agenda, and the policies are killing more people than climate change. >> as you note, it's not about people dying today, it's about, what is going to happen -- >> i think it is all about people dying today. >> -- in the short-term and the long-term. i want to read more of the trump administration report and specifically some of the areas where this climate crisis will affect. transportation system damages, poor air quality, deteriorating human health, flooded coastal properties, and it goes on and on and on. so my question for you is about the remedy. if you don't want to cut fossil fuels, which you just said, you don't want the cut carbon emissions or clean energy, what would your policies be to slow things, like droughts, like flooding, and other damage to our planet? >> i think we should focus on adaptation and mastery of any change in the climate, through technological advances powered by fossil fuels and other forms of nenergy. >> what does that mean? >> i do think it's a bit of a mystery. what does that mean? look at the quality of our buildings. look at the quality of temperature controls. this is what has allowed human beings to die less of climate-related disasters today than before. and the reason i call the climate change agenda a hoax, dana, is that it actually has nothing to do with the climate. this has to do with global equity. the reason why is the same people who are opposed to carbon emissions are also among those most opposed to nuclear energy. the greatest form of carbon-free energy known to mankind. >> so you would increase nuclear energy? is that one of your remedies? >> absolutely. i am unapologetically pro-nuclear energy. >> can i quickly go back. so you're saying, build taller building and have better air-conditioning and heating systems? that's your remedy for the climate crisis? >> well, there's a fuller totality of the way we use fossil fuels to live more advanced lives that protect us from all risks, not just cl climate-related risks but all risks to humanity. most people who are dying are dying because of lack of access to energy at all, not because of the effects of climate change. the models that you described are i think badly fabricated, and if you want a good piece of evidence for this, remember in the 1970s, that's not that long ago, in the 1970s, the same expert class was warning of a global ice age if we did not stop using fossil fuels. i think it's a fatal fault of false hubris. and we should focus on human flourishing, not carbon emissions. that's what we should measure. zbl >> unfortunately we're out of time. that model you just quoted was from the trump administration, who you say had a wonderful administration and a successful presidency. i would love to talk more about this when we have more time. i really appreciate you coming on this morning. >> thank you, dana. and he nachallenged joe bid for the white house in 2020, and yesterday senator bernie sanders visited an early voting state to lay out a political and policy strategy for democrats. i'll talk to senator sanders live next. and then t-shirts and posters and cups, donald trump rye trie tu turn his mug shot into cold, hard cash. the exam alone is worth at least 59 bucks. i can see from your expression that y you find that shocking. and you'rere actually speechless. ...aaaaaaaaand, you don't have ears. two pairs and a free exam for just $79.95. book an exam today at americasbest.com. it's true, though - you won't overpay for glasses if you shop at america's best. when i first learned about my dupuytren's contracture, my physician referred me to a hand specialist. and i'm glad he did, because when i took the tabletop test, i couldn't lay my hand flat anymore. the first hand specialt i saw only offered surgery. so, i went to a second hand specialist whalso offered nonsurgical options — whh felt more right for me. so, what i'd say to other people with dupuytren's contracture is this: don't wait — find a hand specialist trained in nonsurgical options, today. i found mine at findahandspecialist.com. 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>> well, what i mean by that, dana, is that the president has a right to be very proud of many of the accomplishments that we've achieved in the last three years. unemployment, very, very low. we've brought inflation down. we're investing in clean energy. we're rebuilding our infrastructure. we have made real progress in a number of years, but, the reality is that today, 60% of our people are living paycheck-to-paycheck. we have massive levels of income and wealth inequality. our health care system is a total disaster. 85 million people uninsured, underinsured while the insurance companies make huge profits. the cost of pharmaceutical drugs, precipitation drugs, sky high. so the point is, in my view, the president should tout his very good record. we have got to continue to defend women's right to control their own bodies. but we have to deal with the reality of life today. that's what roosevelt did in 1936. and that is to understand that we have massive levels of corporate greed, in every part of society. the very rich are getting richer, working people are struggling. we have got to make it clear, we're going to stand with those workers and have a health care system that works for all, lower the cost of precipitation drugs, raise the minimum wage to a live wage. so i think that was the message of yesterday. >> you called it absolutely absurd that republicans are gaining support, maybe even in some cases have more support for the -- from the working class than democrats do. why is that? why is the message that you gave in your speech, that you just said right now, not resonating when it's coming from the white house? >> well, that's a great question. and here's the absurdity. you have a republican party that wants to get massive tax rates to billionaires. a republican party that does not want to raise the minimum wage. a republican party that opposes legislation that will give workers the right to form unions. a republican party which wants to cut social security, medicare, and medicaid. and the reason i think they do well among working class people is the democrats have not been strong enough to oppose that agenda and present a strong alternative agenda. in other words, you can't be pro-work and pro-labor unless you have the guts to take on these large profitable corporations that are exercising an unprecedented level of corporate greed. the american people have got to know, the reason that inflation was high last year was not because primarily of the war in ukraine or a breakdown in supply change, it was because of corporate greed in the fossil fuel industry, in the feud industry, in the pharmaceutical industry, these guys raised prices like crazy, while they made record-breaking profits. >> i want to ask you about the uaw. in your speech, you referenced the fact that the united autoworkers overwhelmingly approved possible strikes at three major automakers. more than 145,000 uaw workers could be on the picket line next month if a deal isn't reached. i'm sure you heard president biden, he said he was not that concerned about a strike, but do you think that he should support a strike? and do you worry that any of this and all of this could undercut an economic rebound? >> well, dana, one of the i think very positive things that's happening in america today is that working class people are standing up and fighting back. we're just seeing the teamsters take on u.p.s. and win a really strong contract for their workers. we're seeing nurses all over this country stand up and fight back for decent wages and working conditions and for their patients. right now, what you have is the big three auto industry, they're making huge profits. while real wages for those workers have not kept up with inflation over the last 10 or 20 years. so i strongly support the uaw leadership standing up and fighting back. no one wants a fight, but the big three have got to understand, they can't have it all. they can't make huge packages, make exorbitant compensation packages to their ceos and ignore the needs of workers. i hope they will sit down with unions and ignore a contract that is fair twoeo the workers the industry. >> senator sanders, cornel west, a close ally of yours, he is running a third party campaign for president. he recently criticized you for endorsing president biden's re-election. listen to what he said. >> i love the brother, and even in love, people have deep disagreements about these things. but i think, again, he's fearful of the neofascism of trump. people look at biden, they don't really want to tell the full tr truth. he's created the best economy that we can get. is this the best that we can get. you're dwoipg to tell that lie to the people, just for biden to win? 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>> all of them concern me. >> as an opponent. meaning somebody who is most formidable as an opponent. >> the person who wasn't on the stage, and that was donald j. trump. his mug shot took it to a whole another level, raising over $7 million since the mug shot came out. as one of the people said on the commentator's asked the questions, moderators, excuse me, we'll talk about the elephant that's not in the room. well, the elephant that wasn't in the room dominated that stage and he continues to be at this moment the biggest threat. >> i was at the debate. and a couple of things stood out to me. we had eight people on the stage who clearly in my view had the experience, skills, and policies to go in on day one and really do a much better job than joe biden or kamala harris, turn the economy around and get us back on track. the other observation i had was being in this large room of republicans, and these are leaders in the republican party, they were wide open for turning the page. they were open to someone else besides donald trump, because they recognized the seriousness of if donald trump were to be our nominee, this is really going to be a difficult process moving forward for the general election and they're looking at all of these candidates, and i agree 100% with scott's assessment of the candidates out there. desantis got out there without the cuts and bruises that he anticipated. ramaswamy was trump-lite. but nikki haley showed many people that she not only has the foreign policy experience, she has the nuance and the appropriate response on abortion, which is a critical issue for the republican primary, but also would be palatable in a general election. >> but this was an opportunity for any one of those candidates to distinguish themselves, grab the momentum, seize the narrative, and none of them really did. they had this moment wut donald trump there, and the big pieces that really came out of the debate were this moment when none of them could really be sure will they should raise their hand or not about whether they would support donald trump if he was convicted. >> let's actually play that and we'll continue your point. >> if former president trump is convicted in a court of law, would you still support him as your party's choice? please raise your hand if you would. [ cheers and applause ] >> as you were. >> that is not a leadership moment. if you look at the folks on that stage, you had a few who were willing to unabashedly put their hand out and say, i will support this person for the president of the united states, even if they are convicted of crimes, and you had a handful of people who couldn't be sure and sort of looked to the left and looked to the right. and that moment was an opportunity for leadership. we saw none of it and we actually just saw how the entire republican party has been entirely co-opted by donald trump. for these candidates, if any of them will break out, they have to find a way to take them on in a way that was compelling and that was a moment for moral leadership and they showed none of it. >> they recognize what they need to do to win this primary, they need to keep donald trump's fully onboard. if they were to go out at this stage of the game, knowing that he is innocent until proven guilty, although it does not look good for him, they have to go on and thread the needle saying, we're going give him the benefit of the doubt at this time, and if he is the party's nominee, i will support him. >> i don't think it was about just threading the needle here, it was about the fear of donald j. trump. they fear his base and him and that's why they didn't have the courage. and desantis didn't distinguish himself. he was the main one looking around to see who else is going to support donald trump. he's scared of him just like most of them. >> if they were scared, they wouldn't be running against him. >> no, they're scared. they're running scared. >> the polling on this is actually really clear. 70% of the american people in the last quinnipiac poll said they would not vote for a convicted felon or a convicted felon shouldn't eligible to be president. 58% of republicans said that. >> so why did they raise their hands? >> my sense is, as time wears on, this will become more and more clear. but as allison said, republicans will give trump the benefit of the doubt until he is convicted by a jury of his peers >> it's not just about the benefit of the doubt. we are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty, but this is about they fear the trump base. they're going to say and do anything to ingratiate themselves to that base and that is not courage or leadership. >> let's look at the other side of the aisle, the president who you worked for until recently, running for re-election and a man that you have supported in multiple campaigns, bernie sanders, just had him on the show, gave a very interesting speech in new hampshire yesterday, where he said a lot of things about the democratic party, about the need to kind of step up, talking about the working class and so forth. but also, if we are going to defeat creeping authoritarianism and right-wing extremism, there has got to be an ideological change, of course. that was directed at the party, but obviously, the party leader, who is running for re-election, president biden. >> i'm not actually sure that's true. let's take a step back. bernie sanders was in new hampshire, giving a speech in support of joe biden's agenda. >> but he's trying to help massage the message. >> and i think there's an important thing to remember here, which is that joe biden has spent the last two and a half years navigating an incredibly divided congress. and you don't get carte blanche to do whatever you want. but what that means is that he's about getting results and working in a way that he was able to pass the most -- some of the most significant infrastructure investments, some of the most significant legislation to combat climate change. i mean, he's made historic -- he's had historic success. and i think the other thing i would say from, you know, having sat with joe biden while he was debating whether or not to run for president in 2018, in 2019, as he was thinking about it, he also believes that the democrats have to get the working class back. that's what bidenonomics is all about. about making investments that allow middle class families and working people to get ahead. in that way, he agrees with bernie sanders. that's what he's running on. >> if that speech yesterday was in support of joe biden, i pity joe biden if sanders is out there speaking out against him. because it was quite clear, he was very clear of the biden agenda, as he told you, 60% of americans are living paycheck to paycheck. health care is a disaster, and many people are struggling. but he has the nerve to call the republican party the anti-work party when republicans are creating more policies to get people back to work and encourage entrepreneurship. >> either party is answering to the needs of everyday people. i hear kate, i hear all of that. we've got to be on the side of the people. and the people aren't filling this economy, they weren't feeling it before. none of the stressors happened overnight because president biden is in office. those stressors have been there, but they are being exacerbated. when people are talking about the working class, who are you talking about? is it all working class people or a certain group of working class people? that is important. >> i thought senator sanders made points on the health care system and on the economy that were very troubling. you played a clip from cornel west, this could be a real problem for the dems. >> everybody, thanks for that great discussion. up next, thousands filled the nation's capital to mark 60 years since the march on washington, and martin luther king's "i have a dream" speech. so how much progress does his family think has been made in the past six decades? they'll join me live next. 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our daughter, my wife would say, which is true, has fewer rights today than she did the day she was born. the voting rights act was struck down in 2013. women's reproductive rights struck down in 2022. affirmative action struck down in 2023. so there are fewer rights than she ever had. and andrea may even say something about that. >> i want to ask about that, and please speak to it, but also about the fact that the focus of your father-in-law's speech in 1963 was, as much about sort of economic inequality as well as racial inequality and how they basically are all part of the same challenge. and those disparities still exist today. the plblack unemployment rate i more than double that of white americans. the median household wealth of that white americans is nearly eight times that of black americans. why is the gap still so persistent? >> i think it points to the fact that we still have much work to do. my dear friend, jennifer jones austin and i actually just penned an op-ed for time.com a few days ago, talking with very real numbers about the disparities of poverty within the black and white community, particularly as it relates to black women. and i think that we are aware of those things, is there are a lot of people that are on the ground continuing to do the work to make sure that those disparities once and for all are erased. one of the things as well that i would like to piggy back on with martin in talking about the march yesterday, was the -- and then what happened in jacksonville, it really was not surprising, but it certainly was heart-wrenching. and one of the things i immediately thought about was the parallels between 1963 and literally three the bombing and killing four black girls. so yesterday, the same day when we had almost 200,000 people gathering together to stand for democracy in our country, we saw what happens with hate. the very thing that we were talking about was going on. and for a lot of people, that question, why are we coming back together and how different are things from 1963, it unfortunately gave the demonstration of the work and while we are -- and where we are in 2003 compared to 1963 which is not far at all. >> and yolanda, you have spoken out since you are younger than you are now about the need for change, for generational change. talk about that as the next generation. >> well, i think that this weekend is the 60th -- it is the 60th anniversary of the march on washington and the "i have a dream" speech and 60 years ago my grandfather delivered his dream and his misessage and tha was a call to action and 60 years later the dream has not been fulfilled. we're not where we need to be. and so now, to put it basically blatantly and it seems like the past generations have failed us and we have to make sure we do not repeat the same mistake and make sure that we fulfill the dream. >> all right, well thank you so much all of you cfor coming in. i really appreciate it. still a lot of work to do as you said. but it is important to commemorate such a historic and critical moment. led by your father and your grandfather. >> thank you for having us. >> yes, thank you for having us. >> and we'll be right back. >> woman: why did we choose safelite? 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