lace out dames of the investigation to the former president and the most serious charges he's now facing. >> breaking news, into cnn this hour, prosecutors in georgia have opened a, investigation. >> into former president trump. why because of his january phone call to the georgia secretary of state. >> to influence the 2020 georgia federal election. >> donald trump got beaten by joe biden handily. he went on the war path like a scolded child to do anything he could to detrot that election. >> they total from us the georgia election and i'm not going to let it. >> bold face lie again and again and again. >> three months after the election the district attorney in fulton county georgia, fonni willis officially opened an investigation into former president donald trump's efforts to overturn the election results. >> this is a federal election, i plan to use the power of the law. because i sit here in this jurisdiction it's my responsibility. >> fonni willis is known as a prosecutor's prosecutor. she's known as a tough cookie. don't like to be in the crook in a poor light. >> special purpose grand juries are verve rare in georgia. >> robert james is one of the few district attorneys who has overseen a special purpose grand jury in georgia. >> their own powers are much broader thrarn than a reguld jury. >> while a special purpose grand jury doesn't issue indictments it can be a useful tool for a prosecutor. >> the day daivment da ut special details about the aggregations that she was investigating. >> a special purpose grand jury was empaneled in may of 2022. after five months and 75 witnesses they offered a report in december 2022 recommending indictments. the sprawmg case has involved some of the biggest names in the trump or built, as well as politicians of whichful you have not even heard of. district attorney willis was investigating under rico. >> it enables to you charge a group of people all together and enables you as a prosecutor to show the full extent of this group. >> it's normally used for the mob, the mafia, organized crime units. the interesting thing about it is, you don't actually have to have specific instructions from one person to the next in like a normal conspiracy. it can be as long as you're a part of this whole enterprise and you have a common goal, what one is doing in concert may apply to everyone else. >> in this entire investigation stems back to a single phone call. >> all right, mr. president, everybody is on the line and just so this is mark meadows the chief of staff. so that we're all aware. >> to this day, trump says he did nothing wrong. >> nobody found anything wrong with that perfect call. >> major breaking news this hour. >> inside a turning new pressure campaign. >> the president heard pressuring pressuring georgia's secretary of state to overturn his defeat there. >> we're all airing snippets of this extraordinary conversation between former president trump and brad raffensperger. >> claims of election fraud after losing the 2020 presidential election. >> okay, thank you very much. hello brad and ryan and everybody. we appreciate the time and the call. >> trump was joined by a number of advisors, including chief of staff mark meadows and conservative attorney cleta mitchell. >> if we can go over some of the numbers i think it's pretty clear that we won. we won very substantially, georgia. >> at the time of the election, gabrielle sterling was the voting system implementation manager. >> i was kind of irritated i wasn't on the call. then i heard the call the next day and i'm like i'm so thankful i wasn't on that call. it was an hour and 55 minutes that the if the spoke. it was the greatest hits of what we have been debunking for two months. >> giving oxygen to this continuing disinformation is leading to the continuing erosion of people's beliefs of the election. >> trump appeared to threaten the secretary of state. >> you know what they did and you're not reporting it. that's a criminal offense. and, you know, you can't let that happen. that's a big risk to you. >> this is a really important charge. solicitation just means you are asking someone to do something. well, somebody who is sworn an oath of office to serve and protect, or uphold the law or represent their constituents, if you are trying to get them to do something that is in violation of their oath or the law you may have committed this very crime. >> and then there's this. >> i just want to find 11,780 votes. which is one more than we have. because we won the state. >> 11,780. the exact number of votes trump needed to win georgia. >> how are you taking this in? >> well i realize there weren't the votes defined. we had checked out all the allegations so we knew that we had the right results. >> prerg refused to budge. >> at this point raffensperger had investigated more than 250 claims of voter fraud. the fact remained: had lost the state of georgia. >> all i knew was, we had to lean into the law and into the facts around we had both on our side. >> then president donald trump made phone calls to a handful of elected officials in georgia in the aftermath of the 2020 elections. he called franess watson who was then an investigator in the secretary of state's offers. >> the people of georgia are so angry to what happened to me, they knew i won. by 100,000 votes it wasn't close. whatever you can do franess is an important thing. >> the former president called chris carr in 2020, asking him not to get involved as texas was fighting georgia's election results at the supreme court. >> trump made calms, so georgia legislators could appoint their own electors instead of the ones for biden, the voters had selected. he called the former speaker of the georgia house of representatives. >> david ramston a republican. >> and the governor. >> he made at least two phone calls to governor kemp. >> both refused to call for a special legislative session. >> there was a very orchestrated process going on trying to get us to put pressure on us. >> so far we haven't heard anyone to do the right things. >> the governor could stop it very easily. if he knew what the hell he was doing. he could stop it very easily. >> donald trump wasi matily involved in every process around trying to overturn this election. this was a granular ground game of etchic month portion. this was somebody who was obsessed at overturning that election at all cost. >> what next? 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>> they were the trump supporters who needed to be fed this conspiracy and fed there was evidence. >> jeff duncan served as the president of the georgia senate. >> those weren't official meetings. i didn't sanction them. >> that added one layer of authenticity to their conspiracy theories. >> evidence of fraud from election night ballot tampering from downtown atlanta. it reported to show a number of nefarious moments including sending electioneer home. >> continuing to tabulate into the night. >> they claimed election officials were pulling out ballots after everyone is going home. >> they are going to pull ballots out from underneath a table. >> and scanning ballots multiple times. >> how many ballots went through those machines in those two hours when there was no one there to supervise? we believe that could easily be and probably is certainly beyond the margin of vicity. >> the story she told was just chilling in terms of look at what they are doing. video doesn't lie. >> and when you look at what you saw on the video which to me was a smoking gun -- >> the problem was is that the video had been selectively edited. >> those are sealed ballot carriers which is a normal thing you'd have in elections. they intentionally misled the state senate in order to keep pushing this narrative and try get the election thrown out. >> so he lied. >> yes. >> i mean they never backed off from it. >> the fbi and the department of justice also got involved in chasing the allegations. both came to the same conclusion as the secretary of state's office. >> my opinion then and my opinion now is that the election was not stolen by fraud. >> there was no illegal activity you about by the election workers. >> there has to be a villain or the enemy. and in this hearing in particular, the villain really was the election workers in fulton county. >> there is more than ample evidence to conclude that this election was a sham. >> once that video was made public and misrepresented as evidence of fraud two of the women countings ballots, ruby freeman and her daughter were doxed, their names addresses phone numbers shared online. a motley crew emerged phoning freeman and showing up at her home. stephen lee a pastor from suburban chicago parked outside freeman's house until she dieltd 911. >> my name is stephen lee, i'm a passenger and trying to work with folk who are trying to help ruby out and also get some truth of what's going on. it would be nice if i could talk to her. >> i don't talk to nobody. >> okay you don't want to talk to them? no, okay. >> i'm not answering. i have a pastor. >> okay, yes ma'am. >> almost three weeks later, trevi ankuti, also showed up in georgia. freeman agreed to talk to kuti at a police precinct. according to police documents kuti allegedly pressured freeman. offering her protection. if she would confess to engaging in election fraud. even though freeman had done nothing wrong. >> i cannot say what specifically took place. i just know that it will disrupt your freedom. you are. >> one of the most specific and powerful allegation in the indictment is this claim that various defendants tried to intimidate and harass these election workers and tried to get them then to change their story as part of a coverup. that to me is one of the pieces of conduct here that a jury can most readily understand and say okay that's a crime. >> treeman and moss later testified in front of the january 6th committee about vile racist threats they received. >> this turned my life upside down. i don't want to go anywhere. i second-guess everything that i do. it's affected my life in a major way. in every way. all because of lies. >> giuliani has conceded as part of a civil lawsuit that he made defamatory statements about the two election workers. nearly every other georgia election official who stood up to the lies received similar threats. >> down with kemp. >> personal cell number was doxed. >> it wasn't just you, but your family members. >> my wife mostly. she got the more vital youin' personal kind of stuff. >> state patrol and heightened security and bomb sniffing dogs. there was a website that formed that put a picture of my housing and my address and my name and my kids' names. >> you should go to jail, you are judas, you are a traitor you have committed treason. >> the december hearing would bring even more chaos to the state in the aftermath of the election when a then little known attorney appeared. >> what do you know about john eastman's presentation that day? >> i thought i.t. was ridiculous. >> remind you more than enough. >> he saw it as the duty of the legislature to step in basically throw out the will of georgia voters and for the legislature to convene a special session and appoint their own republican alternate electors. >> i don't think it is your authority to do that but quite frankly you have a duty to do that to protect the integrity of the election here in georgia. >> he didn't have a clue with what he was talking about. i'm like, he's wrong. >> part of what he is accused of doing is trying to persuade members of the legislative branch in georgia using false information. using outright lies. to try to get them to act against the interests of the people and the voters of georgia. it's a very serious charge. >> the december 3rd hearing wouldn't be the only appearance by giuliani and other trump allies in the peach state. giuliani appeared at two other hearings in front of the georgia legislature. in december 2020, where he continued to push the debunk claims of trod. >> there is -- frod. >> there are two ways to prove that the votes were knowny, a lot of them, dead people, felons, phone 80 ballots. >> at the last hearing where giuliani appeared on december 30th, the senate committee that state senator william ligon chaired, released findings, the first stated in quote, the november 3, 2020 election was chaotic and the results cannot be trusted. >> that basically regurgitated a lot of those conspiracy theories and half truths about the vote count in georgia without investigating any of those claims and that report in turn ended up being cited by the trump campaign and many others, in their pushes to invalidate election results elsewhere. >> so the report comes out, what kind of weight did that carry? >> it had none but again that really wasn't the point. >> the day after the indictment was released, giuliani appeared on wabc radio. >> i woke up this morning more excited than i have in weeks. we're going to gate these fascists into the ground! >> coming up. >> so you follow him. >> a secret meeting at the capital. >> absolutely trying to hide something. 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there was a conversation that was happening in right wing spaces about disrupting the electoral count. so i went to the capital on december 14th. >> if you would please complete your ballots. >> december 14th was the date that the state's electors all across the country would meet to certify their vote. that day trump narrowed in on georgia. could have been easy. he tweeted to the state governor. now, we have to do it the hard way. prosecutors say this trump tweet and 11 others contributed to the conspiracy to overturn georgia's election results. >> while the tweets themselves standing alone in isolation are not necessarily criminal the argument the prosecutors will make is this is evidence of the scheme. this is evidence of his intent. that he was planning or the a long time. >> i thought maybe the 3% militia or some other group were going to show up to do something stupid and i wanted to bear witness. >> did you see any of those types when you got to the georgia state capital? >> i didn't. >> what he did see was a conservative activist that he recognized from his reporting. >> hey why are you here? he really didn't make eye contact with me and he went 52 a room in the capital. >> i looked like who was seeing this like does anybody see what's going on in that room? >> room 216 at the georgia state capital just one floor below where the democratic electors were meeting to certify the vote for president elect biden. >> so you follow him? >> i follow him. i went into the room and i walked in the door, hey what's going on here, what are you doing? we're having a meeting. there is a women's voice, then she says oh he's got a camera going and then another cameraman kind of hustles me out. what is this meeting? she says it's an education meeting. >> they told you it was an education meeting? >> yes, they posted somebody out front to make sure nobody else went in. >> so were you convinced it was an education meeting? >> i was convinced it was exactly what i thought it was. >> and what he thought turned out to be right. a group of republican shadow electors gathered to sign an ill legitimate certification for president trump. >> many republicans that served as alternate electors that mid december day were high up figures in the state party. >> georgia republicans who served as fake electors were labeled targets in the full ton county election. though some were later granted immunity. >> at the head of the table was david schaeffer who was the current chair of the gop in georgia. >> schaeffer played a key role in organizing georgia's fake slate of electors by securing the room and convening them at the capital. according to the indictment schaeffer sent a text message to another co-conspirator before the meeting. listen, tell them to go straight to room two 16 come to avoid drawing attention to what we're doing he wrote. the fact that they were trying to evade detection maybe demonstrates to you that they knew what they were doing was wrong. and according to the allegations in the indictment, criminal. >> schaeffer also served as one of the fake electors. >> afterwards he said, he had acted in response to what the trump campaign had told him. >> because the president's lawsuit contesting the georgia election has not been decided or even heard, we held this meeting to preserve his rights. had we not held the meeting, then his lawsuit would effectively be mooted. >> schaeffer's attorneys says he broke no laws and was following legal advise when he cast a, quote, contingent ballot for trump. >> i've never been thrown out of a meeting in a public legislative space. like, that's unheard of. you know, i wasn't being disruptive. they didn't have a good reason to do it. there are no such things as secret meetings at the state capitol. that's not how things work. i think they absolutely were trying to hide something at least at first. >> schaeffer's attorney told cnn that his client did not try the keep things secret. but that claim is contradicted by an e-mail the being fake electors received just 18 hours before they met at the capital. the e-mail sent by robert siners, the election lead in georgia at a time, screes and discretion. >> he told them to conceal what three were going to do. >> the e-mail instructed to tell they were attending a secret meeting. according to the author of the letter he was directed to send it by trump campaign lawyers and david schaeffer. >> one of the most public things that the government does. to keep this thing jet under the radar, there is probably no good motive of it and i think it's good evidence of intent. >> in a deposition to the january 6th committee, he expressed regret for his actions. >> we were just, you know, kind of useful idiots or rubes at that point. a strong part of me really feels that it's kind of as the road continued and those that was failure failure fail your that got 40ed as to what do we have on the table? let's just do it. >> there is evidence of a larger plan orchestrated by a number of operatives in trump's or bit outside of the state of georgia. laid out by another investigation. >> the organization on capital has helped fonni willis in her investigation there. >> according to a record, the motivation was to create enough chaos to persuade then vice president mike pence to subvert the constitution. and throw out the 2020 election results on january 6th. >> the fulton county prosecutors zeroed in on john eastman's part in the plot. >> they were very interested in his alleged role at the center of coming up with the scene of appointing these republican electors. >> in e-mails listed in the indictment the conservative attorney laid out the scheme to his co-conspirators. eastman made various schemes of voter fraud when he proposed to overturn biden's victory. when he submitted falsified court documents that challenged georgia's vote. >> if constitutional power to decide on the method for choosing electors remains exclusively with the state legislators. >> east march's attorneys says his involvement was political but not criminal. new york attorney kenneth chesboro was also, coordinating the plan and execution of the fake electors. as part of this plan he sent an e-mail to mike roman trump's national campaign director, the day. the fake elector scheme. he wrote that giuliani wants to keep this quiet, his attorneys says he was asked by the trurchlt campaign to provide advice and not privy to the private conversations to other individuals cited in the indictment. >> there is legal structure to this, constitutional treasure, there is no doubt in my mind that this started in the oval office and worked its way outward. >> coming up, inside the plot to seize voting data. >> really a who's who of election deniers. >> all caught on tape. >> they spent hours inside this restricted room in the elections office. ♪ ♪ 's a quiet refuge. they're not just headlights... they light the way forward. the new fully electric audi q8 e-tron models... it's because of tiktok that i had to go out and get a website. i'm at a point now where i've outgrown my house. growing up, every time i'd get out of the shower, i would itch. my first experience with goat milk soap, it kinda was like a light bulb moment. tiktok is a fantastic platform for diy. if you'd have told me three years ago that i would own my own business and be expanding into a separate building, i would've told you you'd lost your mind. let innovation refunds help with your erc tax refund so you can improve your business however you see fit. rosie used part of her refund to build an outdoor patio. clink! dr. marshall used part of his refund to give his practice a facelift. emily used part of her refund to buy... i run a wax museum. let innovation refunds help you get started on your erc tax refund. stop waiting. go to innovationrefunds.com you really got the brows. ♪ tourists tourists that turn into scientists. tourists photographing thousands of miles of remote coral reefs. that can be analyzed by ai in real time. ♪ so researchers can identify which areas are at risk. and help life underwater flourish. ♪ ♪ (upbeat music) ♪ ( ♪ ) ( ♪ ) ( ♪ ) -awww. -awww. -awww. -nope. 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>> about a year after it happened. when we heard about this at first it actually got spread to us in a lawsuit. >> that lawsuit which is unrelated to the 2020 election was filed in 2017 after an independent coalition initially sued the secretary of state over the security of the georgia voting system. the video of the data breach was one piece of evidence in that civil suit. but it revealed exactly what these trump supporters were up to after he lost the state. >> they played a little snippet of an odd jo of one of the plfers talking to a person claiming to have done this. >> that person was scott hall, hall is an atlanta yard became bondsman who served as a poll watcher and according to the indictment has been looking into the election on behalf of the president. >> i'm the guy that chartered if jet to go down to coffee county to have them inspect all of those computers. they scanned all the equipment, imaged all the hard drives, and scanned every single ballot. >> without that recording of scott hall we probably would never know what we know now. >> can you imagine the idea of having tangible from the proverbial horse's mouth to present to the grand jury is invaluable. this goes a long way in the form of giving direct evidence as to what was planned, who was involved, and what was intended. >> and it gave fonni willis and the fulton county d.a.'s office the authority it needed to charge with conspiracy and violating georgia's rico act. >> did you have anything beyond sort of lower level people in coffee county? >> not initially but their ailingses and as you dig down deep more is revealed. >> further revelations came when the fulton county d.a.'s office charged kathy latham other crimes ranging from conspiracy, more importantly it connected the dots between coffee county and the white house. >> sydney poult was the one who ended up commissioning the services of sullivan strickler. >> her involvement is the one that exposes the broader trump team's involvement in coffee county. >> powell advocated seizing voting machines with an executive order from trump in december 2020. >> another idea during that meeting was raised by rudy giuliani and he thought they could coerce local election officials to give access to voting systems. >> in other words exactly what happened in coffee county on january 7th, 2021. >> i think when you start with the president of the united states saying the election is stolen nothing is surprising to me. >> despite their theorize of election fraud there is no indication there was any voting irregularities of the data breach. to this day we don't know where the data list of and how the trump supporters plan to use it. up next. >> we are about to have the david and goa lye@fight.allen) if -- gliaette fight the power goes out and we still have wifi to do our homework. and that's a good thing? 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trump's fourth, already intensifying the already intense movement in american history. >> i consider it a badge, a great, great, beautiful badge of honor and courage. as i am being indicted for you. >> district attorney, bonnie willis, says she wants to try all 19 defendants at the same time. >> we will be asking for a trial date within the next six months. >> it would be a story of legends to try 19 defendants on a case of this magnitude, within the six months. >> here's the armageddon scenario. every one of them is going to have their own army and team of lawyers, and every one of them is going to be filing all of these motions and they will have to respond to all of them. this is not going to be an easy win. i don't care how compelling a stronger evidence is, how many tapes you have or how many witnesses you have. >> reporter: and trump isn't just a former president, he is also the leading republican candidate for 2024. >> you have to find 12 people who aren't so passionate about donald trump that they are able to judge the case fairly and impartially, based only on the facts of the law in the courtroom. so, the fact that he's running for president really complicates everything. >> we love trump! we love trump! >> reporter: but his candidacy is a point he could try to use to his advantage in the courtroom. you are donald trump in this, how you juggle the chordates? again, two, three, four indictments with campaigning for president of the united states? >> yeah. i think that is going to be a legitimate issue. and, while we all want to see some resolution, i don't think there is any question he has got a good, credible case to make, that he shouldn't be forced to have to try his case in the middle of a presidential primary. >> what happens if he is reelected president of the united states, before these cases are decided? >> the question is the same we got to at the end of his last term, which is does he have the authority to pardon himself? >> we are, again, in uncharted territory, on whether he would be able to use himself with the presidency. but at the state level, that is kind of untouchable for the president of the united states. you see federalism ensures that the states have certain rights, and one of them, of course, being that the pardoning power of a president would not apply to the states. or their convictions. >> reporter: nearly 3 years after the pressure campaigns, the harassment of public and private citizens, the coordinating of a collectors. the breach of election systems. and we still don't know, will trump be convicted in georgia? >> they rigged the presidential election in 2020 and we are not going to allow them to rig the presidential election of 2024. >> you see any risk in moving forward with indicting a former president? any kind of dangerous precedent? >> i think we are setting a dangerous precedent if we don't hold him accountable. i think the risk is much more significant. >> you saw former president trump like to the american people, you saw him riled them up. is it a remedy if they charge him with a crime in georgia? >> if they indict him and don't convict him, it will be an exoneration. is that better or is that force? i don't know. >> what i could envision is that we actually have a society where lady justice is blind, and it doesn't matter if you are rich, poor, black, white, democrat or republican. if you violated the law, you are going to be charged. you better believe! tonight-- >> this is an effectively a riot. >> what is the bottom line you want people to know? >> there was a very sophisticated, multipart plan, overseen by donald trump. >> you can't ever accept when they steal and rig and bright. >> to attempt to stay in power. >> reporter: is the longest, largest investigation into donald trump's attempt to state president comes to a close, we put it altogether. >> i've got three men walking down the street. they are carrying ar 15's. >> the explosive testimony. >> i overheard the president say something to the effect of i don't care that they have weapons, let my people enter. >> reporter: new insight from witnesses. >> i said you are going state- by-state, 3.2 million voters and just throw them ou

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