donald trump is headed south to get arrested today, so why did he just shake up the legal team again? and so the post debate mystery. why did the other candidates leave ron desantis alone? should they be happy that they didn't attack or sad that they didn't feel it was worth the bother? new reaction coming in. reaction of murder or accident, two month nos day that he led a revolt against the putin regime. is putin behind that crash? we will look at it. this is sara baldwin, john berman and i'm sara sidner with cnn "news central." donald trump has a schedule to keep today, and leave his golf clubs in new jersey and hop on a plane bound for georgia and head to the county jail in fulton county and be arrested. again, we have seen trump enter several courts this year, and courtroom sketches from new york, florida and washington, d.c., but we have never seen him have to enter the jail until now, and what could also set this arrest apart from all of the rest. he could be forced to stand for the mugshot, and the arraignment could be broadcast live. the judge has allowed the cameras in the courtroom through at least september 8th is what we hear. paula reid is standing outside of the jail live in fulton county, and what is the latest happening behind you, and how are they preparing? >> well, we expect the former president won't be here until later on this evening, but there are definitely security preparations under way, road closures, and folks are confined to certain areas if they want to come here to watch or protest, but we don't expect this is going to happen until after rush hour traffic, and one of the goals is not to shutdown rush hour traffic, and though he is going to be treated like any other defendant, he is not like any other defendant, and he is going to get a full security escort. this is how it going to work. he going to leave his bedminster, new jersey, home in the afternoon, and head here to surrender around 7:00 p.m. this process for most people has taken a little bit over an hour, and involves fingerprinting, a mugshot and some paperwork. the former president's lawyers have already come here to georgia to negotiate the bond, and this is just about having the former president processed. and as you noted, even though this is the fourth indictment, this is the first time that we could see a mugshot of the former president. in his federal cases, and in the criminal case in manhattan, they opted not to do a mugshot, and arguing that the mugshots are used to identify people if they go on the lam, but former president trump is one of the most recognizable people in the world, and they did not need a mugshot, but here in fulton county, they are adamant to treat everybody equally, so that is why the mugshot is going to be taken, and we want the former president here, and we have eyes coming out for former president attorney jeffrey clark here, and both of the men wanted their cases pushed to the federal level, but the judge disagreed, and both of these men are expected to be here before friday. >> thank you, paula reid. and trump is at his home in new jersey gearing up to leave for the surrender in georgia but not before making the 11th hour change to the legal team. cnn's kristen holmes is in bridgewater, new jersey, at his golf club, and what do you make of the change and why it is made? >> well, donald trump is replacing the top georgia lawyer just before he surrenders in atlanta, and his former attorney who is part of the legal team who helped to negotiate the $200,000 bond is being replaced by another atlanta-based criminal defense attorney by the name of steven sado with, and i was told by the trump sources that it is not about his performance, but it is because sadow is the best defense attorney, and we are trying to gleam more information of why this happened and why it happened so close to his surrender. i want to read to you a statement from steven sadow, we want this dismissed. and prosecutors to advance their careers because they are political opponents has no place in our system, and this is something that fani willis has said routinely this is going to advance her career in some way, and as we know, the former president has not been hesitant to shake up the 11th hour, and in june, he changed up two attorneys in that hearing of whether or not he mishandled classified documents in his home in mar-a-lago in florida. and on top of that, there was a debate last night, and donald trump was not there, but eight other candidates were and here are some key moments. >> i am the only candidate on the stage who is not bought and paid for. >> whoa, whoa, whoa. now is not the time for on the job training, and we don't have to bring in a rookie. >> i have had enough already tonight of a guy who sounds like chatgpt standing up here, and the same type of amateur on the stage tonight. >> get in line. >> give me a hug like you did obama. >> and this is why margaret thatcher said, if you want something said, ask a man, and if you want something done, ask a woman. >> this election is not about january 6th, 2021, but it is about january 20th, 2025. >> i have no right to overturn the election. >> and this is trump who is the most disliked politician in america, and we can't win a general election that way. >> with us now, former senior adviser to president obama, david axelrod and political adviser, s.e. cupp. who won, david? >> well, trump won. i think that he made a bet not to go and the rivals with his absence would clash with each other, and they did. look, nikki haley had a great night, and s.e. wrote this. i thought she stood out among the group. pence was much stronger, than i think that people anticipated, and anything that creates more of a muddle among the rest of the candidates serves trump's project. he is way ahead, and the thing that would threaten him is if somehow all of the voter not with him coalesced around one candidate. i don't think that happened last night. nothing advanced that, and i think that desantis is a mid-link performance, and so i think that trump was the winner last night. >> let me play desantis from this morning reacting to his own performance and why, if you say that he kind of stayed in background or didn't, wasn't really attacked or the focus of it, and listen to his take and spin on it from this morning. this is sot 6, guys. >> i am not here to get into a food fight, and if somebody came after me, i was loaded for bear to respond and put it to bed, but i was more interested in talking to the people at home rather than bickering back and forth. >> more of a statement that they didn't go after him than the fact that he was loaded for bear and ready to take them on? >> he was not the center of attention. and he had a real slack tide performance where, i don't think that he advanced campaign, which he needed, but i am not sure that he had any fatal blows last night either, but i think that yeah, he was not the ep is ter -- center of attention, and nikki haley was and vivek wanted to be one and mike pence was more of one than i thought that he would be, and ron desantis in the middle there, he was really kind of lost. >> one of the things that was about these debates is that people, they are not just watching the set pieces. ron desantis was clearly well rehearsed and well prepped, and when he could deliver set pieces, he did that relatively well. when it got into the back and forth, and when he was challenged in any way, he seemed lost. i think that the absence of sort of spontaneity makes people question your authenticity. that is what haley did well and pence did well. they were more organic and in the flow, and so it did not look as though they were calculating every answer. this is a problem that desantis has had i think from the beginning, and kind of underscored last night. i agree that he didn't make any big gaffes, and the answers were fine as he rehearsed them, but they were looking rehearsed >> and very angry from the jump, ri right? >> i am not raising my hand. >> we are not schoolchildren. >> and as annoying as vivek ram swr ramswarmy was, and he lives that anger, and as much as he tried to turn on the personality for ron desantis, it does not come across. >> and it has not come across in the campaign trail either as we have heard. and to talk about the elephant that was not in the room either, and sorry to make that pun, but i did. and tell us about the crowd, and the impact that they have, because you could hear them audibly, and the ninth person on the stage. >> right. and it is not science what you hear from the crowd, right. it is anecdotal evidence, however, if you are going by the crowd in that room, vivek ramaswamy got most of the applause. listen, i think that vivek is annoying and intrusive, disrespectful, and obnoxious and at times -- >> in other words, trumpian. >> and everything that you don't want to have in a candidate, and so he was sort of trump's heir apparent, and if you are a maga supporter, and prison or something, and i could maybe go for vivek, and they don't see that in pence or tim scott or haley, but they could maybe go for him. >> and looking at the former governors and the bamambassador the united nations. >> the maga movement is an anti-institution movement. and trump is an anti-institution candidate and so it is not surprising that ramaswamy would appeal to the same group, and one thing that is working with the republican base, and by the way, the audience reflected the republican base is that he doesn't care about institutions. he does not -- and he disstains t them, and ramaswamy has adopted that and so the problem is that trump is there. and so how much of a well does he have to draw from. >> and he also said that he was the best president of the 21st century. >> so why is he running against him? >> right. and that is the question for all of them, would you support trump if he is convicted and 6 of the 8 hands came up. >> some more slowly than others. >> and desantis was pausing. >> and some checking to the left and right, and that going to inauthenticity issue. >> several candidates on the stage that seemed to really dislike vivek ramaswamy, and mike pence seemed to have it in for him instantly, and chris christie, and nikki haley who is a really cool character on stage seemed to have it in for him. >> and she had and in for him for a purpose, because she wanted to burnish a message that went to ukraine, foreign policy, and i will say this, you know, i agree with her on ukraine. i am not sure that a lot of the majority of the republican base agrees with her on ukraine. but, she passionately brought that case against him that he was putting a murder and a thug ahead of a u.s. friend. it was very effective, but what most of them resent about him is that he has come out of nowhere and never done anything in public life, and so that is part of the anti-institutional thing. and they are institutionalist, and mike pence is an inst instit institutionalist, and he came up through house and governor and he is looking at this guy like, who the hell are you? >> and terry sullivan who ran marco rubio's campaign and he was on a short time ago, and i want your take on what he said. he said an amazing first debate for the 2028 republican fight, because last night nobody laid a glove on the guy with over 50% lead, and last night, ron desantis, a second double-digit guy or gal on the stage, and he said they did nothing to advance the cause. >> i think that haley got the closest in saying, look, he is not popular if he is not the candidate for the election, and giving the maga voters what they need to hear and not what they want to hear, but nobody on the stage got up to say, he might be in prison, and why are we entertaining someone who might be in prison from four differen that, and i thought that she was artful in trying to bring the attacks of trump, and whether she can coalesce the nons into the category, and this is a major task. >> well, she has to elbow tim scott out first, because they are splitting. >> well, he helped her. >> and the south carolina surrogates and the money and the voters and all of that. >> i talked to will hurd in the studio before our interview, and he had an interesting point is that what happened is that donald trump did not take eyeballs away from this when he did the interview with tucker carlson and that is a loss for him, and maybe he won on the stage, but not there. >> and fox is fine, and even roger ailes left, and fox did better on the ratings, and nobody is better inside of fox than fox is and including donald trump, and does he help the ratings, of course he does, but people tuned into the debate. >> what is interesting about fox is the way that the mod rays or the, and they did not get to trump until more than midway. >> yeah, an hour in. >> and the questions that they asked were fairly tepid, and you could have gotten a lot deeper, and they know who their constituents are as well. >> yep. >> david axelrod and s.e. cupp. >> always good to stand with you guys. >> sitting? if you ask for it, we will get it. >> do not make the promises that you cannot keep. >> well, as long as you -- >> well, okay. now, the security is tight, and everyone is watching for former president donald trump to arrive in georgia and we will be learning about the plans to surrender at the fulton county jail. >> and we will look at moving the election subversion case to a federal court as the judge is denying bids for mark med dose and others to show up for arrests. and waiting for evidence of the death of yevgeny prigozhin whose plane crashed just two months to o the day after a russssian-led coup by the military. . 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>> sara, clearly the district attorney here in state of georgia is pulling out all of the stops for this hearing on monday where they are trying to combat mark meadows, the white house chief of staff under trump, to remove the charges against him for what happened after the election and what he was doing on behalf of donald trump, and move it to federal court, and the d.a. does not want it to be done, and the way they are trying to combat that is that they are subpoenaing people tom come in for a hearing to testify under oath about what they witnessed, mark meadows and trump, after the election, and the latest subpoena is quite news worthy is cut to brad raffensperger, the secretary of state, and the man that donald trump called after the election and placed that call and asked him directly to find votes in the state of georgia. and now, what the d.a. is arguing here is that what mark med dose was helping with on that call establishing that call, what trump was doing on that call, and none of that was part of the role of the presidency, the role of the federal government, part of their jobs in the administration, and instead, it is political activity. they are going to try to prove it at that hearing monday by bringing to the witness stand brad raffensperger, and they have also subpoenaed others to help bolster this case that they are making to the federal judge and to others that were, two others who were also listening in on the call, and so we will get on display part of this case essentially, part of what the d.a.'s office is trying to allege, and we won't see it on cameras on monday in the way that you can see things in state court in georgia, but there is going to be evidence on display, testimony from one of the substantial witnesses to what trump was doing after the election. >> yeah, katelyn polantz, i know that you will be there listening to details and bringing them to us as soon as they are available monday. thank you so much for reporting. i want to go back to caroline polisi and you have heard that brad raffensperger has been subpoenaed, and how much is that is going to have an influence on all 19 people charged in georgia? >> it is an interesting development, because while the evidentiary hearing on monday specifically only pertains to this one question of removal, it is the question of the chicken or the egg, in that you will be getting a preview to the defense of the underlying merits of the whole case in general and we remember that infamous call to brad raffensperger where president trump asked him to find 11,789 votes, and the issue here is that meadows was intricately involved in the call. and fani willis previewed that, and we knew that brad raffensperger would be called, but now it is official word, and now previewed in the argument that not only was it is not, you know conduct engaged in as the purpose of the president's chief of staff, official duty, but it was actually outside of the per v purview of the realm of politics to influence the election results in the state of georgia. >> the president can ask you to do things, and if he asks you the break the law, that is outside of your job, and that is the thinking of d.a. fani willis. this is interesting, caroline polisi in light of the breaking news, thank you. and now, yevgeny prigozhin is presumed dead in a plane crash, but no word from the kremlin. we will follow up. viking. exploring the world in comfort. hi! need new glasses? 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>> there is not much that happens in russia that putin does not know about. i do not know the answer. >> and so that response from president biden, i don't know exactly what happened, but i am not surprised is really being shared by many of the leaders around the world. >> yeah, frankly, it is going to be exceptionally hard to get an exactly what happened at that high altitude when a private jet remarkably carrying not just yevgeny prigozhin and many of the henchmen traveling together despite the fact that two months earlier they led the most direct attack to vladimir putin with a march to the kremlin, and also, they are all supplied by the russian officials and they say that 8 of the 10 bodies have been recovered thane have named the people who are on board, and they are combing this site of a mile wide, and we understand that some of the human remains there have been brought to the nearby region of the forensic bureau, and where the tough job of who exactly was on that plane should be done, but i should tell you that the russian officials over time, they essentially say what the kremlin wants them to say, and so the narrative, we will eventually learn with the bows tied up is what vladimir putin wants the people to hear. essentially, proof concrete or otherwise that prigozhin died on board? no. we have not heard from the wagner officials who say he was on board, no. and it is a remarkable moment, and you have heard president biden and many of the world leaders saying that putin, to quote bill burns, the head of the cia is the apostle of payback, and many of them have been wondering how prigozhin had lived so long after the failed rebellion, and maybe this the answer, but it is a seismic moment showing that vladimir putin if he was behind this felt threatened by the former chef who had been an instrumental man for him. >> thank you, nick paton walsh in zaporizhzhia. and now, bill browder who was once the largest foreign investor in russia and now one of the kremlin and vladimir putin's biggest critics and significant enemies is also the author of "freezing order, true story of money laundering and murder and surviving vladimir putin's wrath." bill, it is good to see you again and thank you for coming in. you were among those who are skeptical that this could be anything other than vladimir putin behind this. despite a lack of evidence pointing directly to the kremlin, you say no doubt that putin is behind, this and why are you feeling confident about it? >> well, putin has a long, long history of killing his enemies an opponents, and he particularly goes after people he deems to be betrayer, and people who are unfaithful to his cause. if you remember back in 2006, he killed alexander lithvenko, and of course, we all want to sound reasonable and not jump to conclusion, but in a case when you have a serial killer like vladimir putin who has made it clear on so many occasions that he is going to go after his enemies and governed for 23 years as a hard dictator by going after his enemy, it could not be more plain and more obvious that is what happened here. the only uncertainty is that we don't know with 100% certainty where prigozhin was on that plane. the name was on the manifest, and that what the officials have announced. i think that it is very likely that he was on the plane, but he is a master of disguises, and they have found passports of wigs in his office when they raided it after the attempted mutiny, and who know, maybe the guy didn't go on the plane, because for exact reason that he thought that it would be shot out of the sky, so that is the only thing that we don't know. i believe it was an attempted assassination, and if he was on the plane, an assassination, and putin was behind it. >> does the timing of it raise any questions or suggest anything to you two months after prigozhin, you know, led that failed rebellion? >> well, the timing was very odd from one perspective, why did putin wait two months to do it? every day that prigozhin was running around care-free everyday that he was showing up on videos and doing different things, all of that raises a lot of questions which is, you know, putin was humiliated on those days, and he does not like to be humiliated and why did he wait so long is the main question that i have. >> you and i have talked for years now about the threat that you have faced. i remember you talking to me in 2018 how it would be a death sentence if by chance the possibility that you were sent back to russia, and you have been very public about it, and moments like this, what does it stir up in you? >> well, what it says to me is something that i have always known and lived by is that putin never forgives or forgets, and if he is viewing you as someone who needs to be eliminated, it does not matter how much time has passed. i never put the guard down, because i understand that putin is a guy with a long memry, and he is ready to act on his vengeance whenever he can. from my perspective, i have been able to stay alive because i have been living in the west, and conducting myself in a careful way, but it does not mean that my counter measures will work. i mean, he is a guy who truly is a murderous man. he has killed many, many people at home and abroad. he'll do whatever he has to do whenever he can do it if he thinks that he can get away with it, and it is much easier to do something inside of russia like what he did the prigozhin, but we have seen many instances where people have been killed outside of russia, by russian assassins. >> bill browder. thank you for coming in, bill. sara. >> all right. the two of donald trump's co-defendants in the georgia election subversion case have tried to avoid being arrested, but a federal judge nixed that request, and both must follow the georgia law and get booked into jail. more on those developments ahead. we handcraft every stearns & foster® using ththe finest materials, like indulgent memory foam, and ultra-conforming intetellicoils®, for a beautiful mattress, and indescribable comforort... every single night. stearns & foster® ... what comfort should be during our labor day sale, bring home incredible comfort with savings up to $800 on select adjustable mattress sets. learn more at stearnsandfoster.com at the alzheimer's association walk to end alzheimer's, this is why we walk. ♪ they're why we walk. ♪ we walk in the alzheimer's association walk to end alzheimer's because we're getting closer to beating this disease. join us. why is aaron happy? 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