law enforcement in connection with him and an arrest in the threat against the former president. the dangerous remnants of tropical storm hilary, what more it might do after drenching southern california and nevada. lori carlton murdered for displaying a rainbow pride flag. her daughter speaking out tonight about her mother. good evening. thanks for joining us. we begin with the breaking news, and there is a lot of it this evening. first, late word that the former president will surrender to authorities thursday in his indictment. it's just one of a string of late developments kicking off a week in which he and 18 others, these people here, all have to turn themselves in. but it is his surrender, of course, that's generating most of the headlines, including more threats against those handling it. a source familiar with the matter telling cnn that threats have been made against fulton county sheriff's office employees and their homes for their role on thursday. that's in the wake of recent similar threats against d.a. fani willis. we learned about this shortly after mr. trump's attorneys agreed to a $200,000 bond deal. the agreement explicitly forbids him from using social media to, quote, intimidate any person known to him or her to be a codefendant or witness in this case or to otherwise obstruct the administration of justice. there's also this breaking item, a new filing from special counsel jack smith rebutting the trump team's effort to push the january 6th trial to april of 2026. we'll have more details on that shortly. and also tonight, an arrest in illinois. a woman there charged with threatening to kill the former president and his youngest son, barron. a lot going on. paula reid starts us off. paula, is it clear why the former president won't just be released on his own recognizance. >> reporter: anderson, down here in fulton county, the way this works is first you negotiate your bond agreement. then you surrender. then a judge schedules an initial appearance for you, an arraignment. that's your first time going before the judge. this is the first time that he has had to post cash bond. he's also subject to a lot of other restrictions that are unique, clearly tailored to him, including being barred from threatening anyone else involved in this case, especially on social media. we have seen him attack judges, prosecutors, witnesses in this case. and this appears tailored to him because we've seen four other defendants today negotiate their bond agreements anywhere from 10 to $100,000. and while they're also barred from talking to their codefendants, none of them have this social media provision. so, that's five defendants of the 19 in this case. 14 more to go with these bond agreements. >> and what more do you know about the threats against employees of the fulton county sheriff's office? >> reporter: this is significant, anderson, because these are not the first threats we've seen down here in fulton county as a result of this case. our colleague nick valencia has learned that employees in the fulton county sheriff's office have been facing threats to themselves and their homes. of course last week we reported on how there have also been threats on officials, including the district attorney, fani willis, and even the grand jurors who voted to indict trump. down here in fulton county, their names were published as part of the indictment. we know the fbi is working on some of those threats. but it also appears that today's bond restrictions are part of an attempt to tamp down some of these threats. >> there was also a new court filing from the special counsel, pushing back on the former president's request for a 2026 start date. jack smith has asked for a start date of january 2, 2024. what more are smith saying? >> reporter: clearly they're quite far apart. the trump team is asking for a trial date that would be nearly three years after indictment. and it's about two years further out than what the special counsel is asking for. so, today the special counsel had a chance to respond, and they accused the defense attorneys of exaggerating the amount of discovery and misrepresenting the facts. now, the ultimate arbiter in all of this is judge tanya chutkan. she is a federal judge. she's been on the bench for about a decade. she was nominated by former president obama. one thing is pretty clear, anderson, she wants to move this along quickly. and next week, she said, she will set a date for that january 6th trial. elie honig, also political analyst, senior political respondent, maggie haberman. and michael moore. maggie, i mean, this ruling now from the judge warning about trump can't threaten anybody, a witness, this is kind of an odd line. i mean, he's running against mike pence. if he tweets something negative about mike pence, where is the line here? >> we are in unprecedented territory? and we have, i think, grown tired of saying that. but it really happens to be true here. i think we're going to find out where the line is. as we have seen with former president trump over and over again with his social media feed and his commentary, he tends to test exactly where that line is. we've seen him do it in the federal cases against him. i think we will see him do it here. you are right. it's a very broad stroke. i don't know quite what this is going to look like. what trump's lawyers have said over and over is that his free speech rights are being targeted and he is the front runner for the republican nomination. >> he tweeted recently about mike pence, calling him little mike pence or little pence, and said he'd gone to the dark side. that's, you know, political candidates intimidate other political candidates all the time. again, where's the line? >> that's precisely the difficulty here. i think there's some tweets that are clearly over the line. let's remember what donald trump said on truth social about geoff duncan, clearly attacking him, clearly connected to the case. mike pence is more ambiguous. they're engaged in a political campaign against each other. prosecutors and judges are going to have to use their judgment. for every close call like this example with mike pence, there have been many that are far over the line. and really the question is going to be how tightly do the prosecutors and the judge police this? everyone in this case has been threatened somehow. >> look, you know, the former president, he walks that line constantly. he intentionally -- tweeting out, you come for me, i'll come for you. again -- >> well, this is -- i'm sorry, anderson. but this is where you're going to see -- and tell me if you disagree with me on this. but you're going to see what the state judges and prosecutors are going to be comfortable with versus the federal prosecutors. we have seen at least in the federal cases a wide amount of latitude given so far. they are clearly signaling in georgia they don't want to do that here. you are talking about multial cases in multiple jurisdictions. there is going to be a collision. >> michael, you know georgia well. do you see the judge there being tougher on the social media stuff? >> well, i'm glad to be with all of you. this is a fairly new judge. he's been on the bench for just a short time, less than a year. it'll be interesting to see how he decides to run it. i will agree with this premise. that is, the line that's going to have to be walked will be about what he can say politically versus -- and defend himself politically versus -- what he can do to throw gas on the fire of this criminal case. i think that's going to be the danger. the danger will be the prosecutors filing too many motions, making too many requests to sanction him in some way, and then getting shot down. hopefully they will deserve sort of the nuclear option of having a bond revocation or something like that until he does something that is clearly an overt threat. encouraging people, responding to a tweet, you know, or responding to something that's politically been said to him or a challenge that's been made by one of his political opponents i just don't think is going to be enough given the nature of the case and the facts that we are in the middle of a campaign. and there's just no way to divorce this case from that. so, once we acknowledge it, i think it kind of guides how we proceed. >> elie, what is the penalty? what is the nuclear option? we're talking about revoking a bond. >> the penalties can be increased bond amounts. you can say, you have to post more money now. the penalties can include other measures like electronic monitoring, house arrest. up to and including the nuclear option would be imprisonment. i don't think there's any realistic chance donald trump gets locked up for violating bail. it happens in real life. it happened to sam bankman-fried in the southern district of new york. but the law is so complicated for exactly that reason. >> yeah. so, maggie, he's not going to go to this debate. he's said he's not going to go to any debates. >> yeah. and who knows exactly what that means? it was an ambiguous truth social post. but i do feel he feels he is up in the polls. i think the question is whether he can help himself. i don't think he wants to go to the reagan library in september. we'll see if he does or doesn't. he has all sorts of issues with the people who run the reagan library. after that, it's an open question. he's not as strong in the first two early states in the polling of those states as he is nationally. i think that the national number looks very different. but he's still pretty strong in the early states. so, i think that his folks are going to stick to that and see, you know, very little upside in him going. >> michael, the argument made by, you know, chris christie, others, is, well, if he's weak in iowa/new hampshire, doesn't do as well there, then that's going to be a cascading domino effect in south carolina and elsewhere. do you buy that argument? >> well, i think that's probably as much of a wish as it is an argument that he's making. i see this machine sort of moving forward full speed ahead. down here in georgia, you've got trump flags flying up in the north georgia area left and right. and some of them have never been taken down, and some are new going up. so, i really don't think the question will be his performance necessarily in those other states, if it hurts him. i just see the primary is his to lose right now. >> michael, we've already -- we're seeing threats against employees of the fulton county sheriff's office. how much does that complicate security concerns around the actual turning in later this week? >> it's going to be complicated. remember that law enforcement is accustomed to having -- people make threats at them. they spit at them. they fight them when they get arrested. they're used to that kind of thing. this is unusual because of the nature of the publicity, the fact that it is so public. and we're already dealing with a situation where the courthouse is basically cordoned off. it looked like fort knox around there. from the jail to the courthouse and all of that, coordination between the secret service and local law enforcement is going to be important. but these kinds of threats are different than when we're talking about threatening grand jurors or threatening jurors, threatening witnesses. i think law enforcement, by and large, they are used to dealing with people who are recalcitrant and who want to say crazy things and do crazy things. that's what the nature of their job is. this is different in that it is -- it's not necessarily dealing with one source of the threat. it's dealing with sort of a source that spreads out its tentacles and causes other people to do crazy things. and that's what they've got to watch out for. >> michael, appreciate it. maggie, elie as well. thank you so much. coming up next, former dhs secretary jeh johnson on the breaking news, the former president and the campaign. also a live report from southern california, where record rainfall came with an earthquake as well and the danger not over yet from what's left of hilary. the whole process was really simple and easy, and this is my third time selling to carvana. so i can practically do it from memory now. you just enter your license platee or your vin, answer a few questions. boom, you get a real offer. true story. it's still shocking how easy it was to sell my car to carvana. sell your car to carvana today. 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>> anderson, i've been concerned for quite some time. i believe according to public opinion polling that what we saw on january 6th was the tip of an iceberg. more and more americans are becoming detached from reality. more and more americans are becoming prone to violence. in a climate in which many elected officials feel emboldened to engage in overheated extremist rhetoric. i've said for some time that extremist rhetoric makes previously unacceptable behavior acceptable. and for the violent, deranged among us, violence, inevitable. we live in a climate now where i hope many people do appreciate federal law enforcement agencies like the fbi, which is under attack, that every single day is out investigating threats against public officials, including the president, including the former president, apparently. and i am concerned about the current climate. >> is it -- i mean, you look at american history. in the early '70s, there were bombings routinely of politically targeted bombings. you know, huge demonstrations against the vietnam war, fights in the streets. is it that bad right now? is it as bad as we have seen in our lifetime? >> in many respects, i believe it is worse, because it is becoming more and more acceptable among conventional -- so-called conventional politicians, members of congress, to engage in extremist rhetoric that encourages this type of attitude. >> it's rewarded among -- >> and this type of behavior. >> among many republicans. >> exactly. that goes, in my opinion -- and this is something i hope our task force will address. that goes to what incentivizes politicians to engage in this kind of rhetoric. something like 400 of the 435 seats in the house of representatives are safe seats. so, the democrat is looking over their left shoulder at a primary challenge and the republican is looking over their right shoulder for a primary challenge, not thinking about attracting main stream voters and getting them to vote for them. so, so much of this, in my judgment, tracks back to what incentivizes and disincentivizes, those who have a public voice to engage in extremist rhetoric versus responsible rhetoric. >> it's also -- just given the nature of threats today, it's very hard to provide security to all the people who, you know, probably have legitimate reasons for it. i mean, grand jurors in georgia are getting doxxed by people who -- because -- >> i know. and i hope that the state of georgia, fulton county, georgia, feels responsible for their protection in light of these revelations. it is unheard of that the identity of a grand juror would become public. >> how does some -- i mean, you can point to all these pinpoints of aggressive behavior or violence, of just, you know, political speech, which is just beyond the pale, left and right. how does that -- what does history tell us about how does that change? how do you get out of that fever dream? >> i used to say that it will take a crisis to bring us together like another 9/11. guess what. we had another 9/11 called covid for three years. and we had basic arguments about where it started and what should be done to address it. and, again, you know, when i talk to people who have been in public life for decades, they always tell me, oh, it was worse way back then. it was worse in the '70s. it was worse during the '60s. it was worse during the civil war where u.s. senators were bea beaten on the senate floor. charles sumner. this feels different than me because more and more -- including the leading for president on the republican side feel emboldened to engage in rhetoric that encourages -- >> you also have media outlets which are playing into this in a big way. there were three broadcast networks in the early '70s and certainly -- while it's great to have a greater diversity of thought and diversity of opinion out there -- >> i'm 65. i grew up with the three networks, listening to cronkite, brinkley every night. and, you know, we grew up in an environment where you got your news from the networks. you got your news from the local newspaper, or you got your news from the radio. all of whom have conventional standards. now there's so many different places for an american to go to get so-called information that you have these alarming poll numbers that suggest that a very large percentage of americans believe the 2020 election was stolen. contrary to all evidence, contrary to all court rulings. and more and more people are becoming detached from reality. >> jeh johnson, appreciate it. appreciate the work you're doing. >> sorry i can't be more encouraged. >> well, you're doing the work. that's encouraging. thank you very much. >> thank you. tonight also under the rubric of the current climate, a california business owner, wife and mom of nine, is dead after she was shot following an argument. the reason she was shot. she displayed a rainbow pride flag outside her store. details next. 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why? >> you can draw a straight line to those murders from the hateful rhetoric and lies that have been spread about drag queen story hour. >> police in new york are looking for this man. he's seen throwing the brick at a window of an lgbtq+ bar in new york city. it is the third time this same bar has had its windows smashed. >> reporter: after this video was released showing a woman setting a pride flag on fire. >> when hate is paired with a gun, the results are deadly. and when our elected leaders promote hateful rhetoric and push discriminatory policies, they fall through this culture where this kind of violence is the result. >> members of the community are grieving the loss of the latest apparent victim of lgbtq hate in america. >> i never dreamed something like this could happen in this community. >> josh, i understand police have just released new information. >> reporter: yeah, significant update just moments ago. the suspect in this case has now been identified as 27-year-old travisic gucci of san bernardino county, california. he didn't have identification on his person. as if he we needed further proof this was an anti-lgbtq act here, authorities say at the store friday afternoon, he tore down the flag outside the store and was yelling to authorities homophobic slurs. carleton confronted him. she was shot and killed. he was firing on sheriff's deputies, who ultimately returned fire, shooting and killing him. authorities say they have uncovered a significant social media presence by the suspect. he had an account on twitter as well as an account on gab, which of course is a platform that's popular with the far right. authorities, anderson, say that they found many homophobic posts on that account as well as antipolice posts. >> josh campbell, appreciate it. thank you. joining me now is lori carleton's daughter, ari carleton. ari, i'm so sorry we're talking under these circumstances. thank you so much for being with us. i'm so sorry for your loss. how are you holding up? >> well, me and my family are just trying to, you know, take it hour by hour, trying to find some sense of normalcy. and finding that that's the hardest part, just coming to terms with the new normal without our mate yar ki. >> your mom sounds like such an incredible lady. her interest in fashion goes way back. i was reading she worked at fred sea gull when she was just starting out. what do you want people to know about her? >> well, that's a loaded question. my mom and i were very close because she had such a long history in the retail industry and was such a pioneer in it. and i, myself, have been in the retail industry my whole life. and i owe that to her. but i think what i really just want people to know about her was just how selfless and kind and compassionate she was. she always put the needs of others ahead of her own. and, you know, we had a really rough winter here in southern california. and her and my father had opened up a free store next to mag.pi where they gave out food and supplies to the families that were impacted by the storms here. and i think that really just goes to show what an incredible person she was. >> i mean, it's so sickening to imagine that this is how your mom's life ended. i mean, did your mom talk to you about why it was important for her to display the pride flag? and also the reaction she'd gotten, positive or negative, over the year? >> yeah. i mean, i think, for her, it was just something that was so important. and she was so fearless, and any negative reaction, you know, she just powered through. the flags have been torn down before by different individuals, and she always went and ordered an even larger flag in response and put it up. so, you know, i admire her, and i'm so proud of her. and i know that she passed standing up for something that she believed in. >> had she ever been afraid for her safety. you said some of the pride flags she'd put up had been torn down in the past. was she ever afraid? >> no. yeah. no. she was -- she was fearless and she was confident, and she wasn't afraid to stand up to anybody. >> i read that your mom had actually ordered a new pride flag because the old one was fading. >> yeah. when we arrived home on friday night after the incident occurred, there was a package on the doorstep, and it was a new flag. and she had told my dad that she had ordered it because the one that had been hanging had naturally faded from the sun. >> i'm sorry. the new flag had arrived -- was waiting on your doorstep when you got home after your mom had been killed. >> yeah. >> i can't imagine what that was like, even seeing that. >> yeah. it was hard and emotional, but, i mean, even the store now -- and she has another store down in l.a. so many supporters and people that were part of our community have gone and put up their own flags and rainbow flowers and so many things to honor her. >> i understand one of your friends actually reached out to you to tell you what seeing that flag at your mom's store had meant for her and her family. >> yeah. i mean, we've received so many messages from people that we knew or know, strangers from around the world. but i think one of the most touching messages was from someone that we -- my twin sister and i grew up here, and we would spend the summer months here, and we attended a dance camp. and me and my sister are identical twins. and this individual had an identical twin as well. we bonded over that. and she messaged us this morning to let us know that she had driven past my mom's store a couple of weeks ago and seen the pride flag. and that gave her the courage and the push to go home and come out to her family. and that really resonated with us. and i know that's really all that my mom wasnnted was for everybody here to feel safe and loved and accepted for who they were. >> is there anything else you want people to know or share about your mom? >> yeah. i just -- i want to make sure that no matter what the circumstances were surrounding her death that we just focus on who she was as a person, just beautiful inside and out, and that we all move forward by preaching love and acceptance and equality in her honor. i know i sure will. >> you had a great role model and will continue to. ari carleton, i appreciate your time tonight. i'm really grateful for you being willing to talk about your mom. thank you. >> thank you for having me. coming up, we have more breaking news out of the fulton county courthouse, namely when another top codefendant will be turning himself in. also tonight, president biden is in maui, touring areas ravaged by the wildfires. 850 people still unaccounted for. we'll have a live report on what the president said and the latest on the rescue and recovery operations. how you feel, and how you enjoy life. it changes your smile and how others smile at you. clearcrchoice network doctors have changed over 100,000 lives with dental implants, and they can change yours, too. because a clearchoice day changes every day. schedule a free consultation. 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>> yes, exactly. so, he cannot have any contact with him, rudy giuliani, mark meadows. anderson, it's our understanding that most of these people are not still super tight with the former president. rudy giuliani recently asked him for money. mark meadows has left the former president in the dark about what his legal strategy is. and john eastman and his attorney have been trying to keep their distance as well. this should not be an issue, specifically when it comes to eastman. the bigger thing, i think, in terms of the former president's bond restrictions is that restriction on social media. and anything that can be perceived as a threat on social media. that and the bond agreement i think is going to be the biggest challenge for the former president and potentially for the judge overseeing this case. turning now to hawaii. take a look, some images just a short time ago of pride skpn the first lady hearing from survivors and witnessing devastation from the wildfires that killed at least 114 people, a number that is expected to rise. about 850 people still unaccounted for. it is the deadliest wildfire in more than a century. president biden said the whole country will be with hawaii during the recovery. >> we will be respectful of the sacred grounds and the traditions and rebuilt the way the people of maui want it built, not the way others want it built. >> i'm joined now by bill weir on the island of maui. what have people there been saying they wanted to hear from the president? how was he received? >> reporter: i think it's pretty obvious that the white house had heard in advance concerns from sort of working class hawaiians and multigenerational locals here who said they really wanted to be listened to. they wanted a seat at the table for how this place is rebuilt. you have to understand, there's been sort of generations of tensions, as sugar cane was replaced by tourism, and water rights were taken to fuel these million dollar neighborhoods and resorts, while a lot of times the working class, the life guards, the waiters, the performers at the tiki shows were being cut out, priced out of their own land. he said we're going to pay attention to ancestral land and traditions and follow that lead. there is a piece on cnn.com about the water rights right now. he said, we want to rebuild maui according to the wishes of the people of maui. which people? is it developers? is it work rg class locals? there's a lot of questions there. he did empathize, and this is what he's so good at given the tragedies in his life. he just wrapped up meeting with some survivors at the war memorial, big shelter in central maui there. children who have lost parents, parents who have lost children who are just cycling through unfathomable grief right now. and that number of 850 missing is still just hard to wrap our heads around two weeks later. >> what did local residents do to prepare for the visit? 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