an impressive resume. at 34 years old, scott macv is a superior court judge, award- winning prosecutor and a former state inspector general in georgia, but as it turns out, he is also a gifted musician. the atlanta journal-constitution took this video of the judge, back in high circle rocking out to the star-spangled banner in the vein of jimi hendrix, and just like hendrix play the guitar with his teeth, mcafee did the same with his electric cello. the crowd was so impressed that someone even in the audience even yelled for him to take off his shirt. thank you so much for joining me tonight and every night this week. cnn primetime with abby phillips starts right now. >> well, you learn something new every day. that is really fascinating, thank you, katelyn. have a great weekend. >> bye, abby. >> good evening, everyone, i'm abby phillips. welcome to cnn primetime. donald trump's terms of surrender. the 45th president of the united states, he will turn himself into the fulton county jail at the end of next week, and in a sign of just how close we are to that stunning moment the secret service has been at the jail for weeks working with local officials to plan the former president's appearance, a mug shot, fingerprints, the whole nine yards. and what will this mean for the first republican debate, which is on wednesday? plus classroom culture wars and up suburban atlanta district. school board has voted to fire a teacher read a book about gender identity to gifted fifth grade teachers. that teacher is with us tonight to tell us why she did it. and oscar nominee bradley cooper is in the middle of a controversy about his latest film maestro, he plays the conductor leonard bernstein, but some of his critics say that the makeup he wears reinforces anti-semitic stereotypes and others question his casting, since he is not known to be of jewish ancestry. so, who can play whom in movies and in televisions shows? and what does this all say about diversity in hollywood? got a fascinating conversation just ahead. but first let's begin tonight about what we know about donald trump's surrender in georgia on charges that he and 18 other people orchestrated a criminal enterprise to overturn joe biden's election victory. a cnn law enforcement official tells cnn that the former president is expected to surrender, either on thursday or friday of next week. and if that process is anything like what most criminal defendants experience, he could be waiting for hours to get his fingerprints and this mug shot taken. but this is, of course, the former president of the united states, and nothing like this has ever happened before, not in the least four times. the secret service has been planning for weeks, and the treatment of defendants being booked and processed on criminal charges in fulton countyoes vary drastically, case-by-case, but it normally does include a thorough search, by a jail deputy. and medical screening, pretrial consultation, fingerprinting, and, of course, a mug shot. >> unless someone tells me differently we are following our part, our normal practices, so it doesn't matter your status. we will have mug shots ready for them. >> let's bring in former federal prosecutor ellet williams and michael singleton. so, elliott, this is supposed to be time number 4 for donald trump. he is going to go to the jail thursday and friday, according to a source. you have a sense of how the processing is going to look different in a county jail, versus a federal courtroom, or even the new york city, manhattan courtroom? >> the challenge here, abby, is you have a former president of the united states, who is entitled, by law, to 24-hour secret service detention. and whenever the president is in the custody of someone other than secret service, it is cause for alarm. the question is, was he ever put into a jail cell, or the population? and number three, how was he handled? setting aside whether he ought to be held guilty for the things he is accused of and so on, there are serious safety considerations. now, another question we all have to ask is is this really just like any other case, or are there going to be accommodations made on the fact that it is a former president. and i do think that, despite the blustery you are hearing from the fulton county sheriff, this is going to be different. >> the other jurisdictions, they have not needed to take a mug shot, everybody knows what donald trump looks like. so, there is that, but this is going to be a moment where, potentially they might decide to do that, just to make a statement that he is like any o just goingbe him. it will be a lot of other high profile people. ru giuliani, the rudy giuliani's of the world, mark meadows, former white house chief of staff, a very high ranking government official in his former life. you are a republican. what kind of moment is this for this country and for the party that we are seeing, this parade of people showing up at a county jail? >> it is an unprecedented moment. i think it is a moment, abby, and haley, that most americans would never have seen. i talked to migrant parents about this. we talk about politics often. and my grandfather said in 60 years he has been engaged in the political process even through richard nixon, he never thought it would get to the point where a president would be arrested facing what? 90, 91 indictments or charges, i mean, this is serious, a very serious moment for the republican party. but again we look at the numbers, donald trump is leading the pack. he has support. and if you somehow try to remove the guy, the question is for republicans we now lose those supporters making it impossible to compete? in 2024, i talked to one friend, a chief of staff earlier today, and he says some talks are trying to figure out we just stick with trump and say we go all in and hope to in jik next year? or do we abandon him and many are leaning towards we stick with them. >> meanwhile, elliott, trump is unapologetic as he has been drought this whole thing, but these cases are serious, and the georgia case is not when he can pardon himself out of. if you are his lawyers would you be advising him to talk, defend the lies, the election lies that led to this point? >> you know, i think if i was his lawyer what i would do is, number one, try to get the case thrown out on some sort of legal matter, try to move it into federal court, try to raise whatever avenues you have, for just making it go away. >> and not deal with the substance of it? >> not deal with the substance of it. then, i think all you can do as an defendant is attack the credibility of witnesses, attack the credibility of the evidence. and also, just make the point that i thought i won this election, and this was my attempt to advocate on behalf of myself. so, you sort of make your case about your own intent and everybody else's someone you can't trust. which there isn't really a great way to go about it, but that is what defense attorneys had to do. >> this is going to be a train wreck kind of situation. you have a republican debate on wednesday and a potential surrender on either thursday or friday. trump seems to be banking on the idea that, hey, any news is good news, even bad news of me surrendering in a jail, what you think-- how do you think this will be? >> all eyes will be on him, and if you are an average lay republican voter looking at this, looking at a pool of nine other candidates you are starting to ask yourself, do these guys actually have a chance? or will it, indeed, be trump, and if it is trump, do i just told my nose and vote for the guy anyway, because i want biden gone? or do i stay home, and i think looking at the polling data outside of the 25% of never trumpers who won't vote for trump no matter what, i think most republican voters are on the side of, if it is him, i will vote for him. >> it certainly looks that way. elliott, standby for us. i want to bring in a criminal investigator and former service agent, abby. abby, thank you for joining us. we are learning that the secret service, they have been at that fulton county jail now for weeks preparing for this surrender. what you think they need to have down, before trump appears? they have had a lot of practice. >> it is really not a heavy lift. he's actually going to a secure location it is a jail. it's got a lot of enforcement there. it is already locked down. so, usually when you have a movement, the most vulnerable point is in arrival and departure. that is really when a protect he, like trump, is most vulnerable. once he's inside they will secure the facility. got all of these law enforcement entities helping with the motorcade route and arrival of the departure. and the surrender itself. now, the surrender itself is quite common. i would arrest individuals where i would allow them to surrender when they were, you know, nonviolent crimes. so, they will likely expedite the process for him. they likely don't want him to be there very long, so he's going to move to the front of the line whatever that looks like. they are going to process him. i think there will be a negotiation about what they do or don't do, because they really want to process him. nobody really wants-- you have to think about it, the problem or the threat in their home that long a period of time. >> yeah. and this jail, of course, is a different venue than some of the other places he has surrendered, manhattan and washington. these are jurisdictions that are very used to high profile, basically vip defendants. this fulton county jail is actually known for its poor conditions. how does that affect where trump is kept, and how the secret service prepares for that? >> so, the secret service goes out in advance. it is what is called a site advance agent. so they send an agent in advance, they get ahead there, one week or a couple of weeks. they do an assessment of the whole structure, the building, the layout, what is this made out of, and you are doing an assessment, manpower, they will look at how many officers are there, what is the manpower like, do they have to bring in supplemental. also have to think about the exterior, protesters, demonstrators. and you are also thinking about vulnerabilities. is going to shop, who is going to have problems, and you are thinking about the safety, not just of trump, but other people in that area. they will do a thorough job. i done so many of these advances, and i've done them in places that you would think how are you going to do this? they can do this, it is really, i don't want to say it is another tuesday for them, but it really kind of is a methodical process that they follow. fire safety, chemical, biological attacks, any lone wolf's. any explosives. everything you could think of, what is above, what is below, they will really do a thorough assessment, and i will tell you this, they don't want to have a bad day. not just the secret service, but the facility itself. it would really look very poorly on them if they are not on their a game. >> absolutely. the eyes of the world is looking at them. even on this fourth time for donald trump. abby, thank you very much for joining us. i want to bring in now a senior fellow at the foundation for the defense of democracies, thomas joslin. he was also a senior staff member for the january 6th house select committee. thomas, many of the names that were brought up in the january 6th hearings, they are now facing charges in georgia. that is actually very different from even the federal investigation, where it is only trump. what was your reaction to both of those scenarios? that jack smith didn't charge those individuals, and that funny willis decided to do so? >> well, i think they are pursuing different legal strategies, obviously. but i was impressed by miss willis's indictment. i thought it was very comprehensive, and she laid out the case and narrative of conspiracy of overturning the election in a very efficient and methodical way. and i would point out that, in her indictment, even though she focuses on the charges, one of the things she does is she points out how these same actors likely violated the law in several other states. count one, the rico conspiracy, she lists all of these different actions that also occurred in up to six other states, and she is basically begging-- i look at it as basically begging other prosecutors to charge file other charges that are similar. this is something that she did, you know, i think she did the right thing with the charges. it is curious that others aren't following suit so far. >> it is curious, and we best that question here as well. one of the interesting things that emerged today from our own k file here at cnn, they have a video, showing tennis chesebro, whose name is in this indictment following alex jones, notorious, you know, huckster, basically. he is following alex jones around the capitol grounds on january 6th, williams was just on cnn with my colleague, katelyn williams, and he said that the committee wasn't aware of this video at all. was this completely unknown to you all? >> i didn't know that kenneth chesebro was with alex jones. we certainly looked at thousands and thousands of hours of video of all of the footage, and certainly looked at a lot of video footage of alex jones, and it is quite possible that chesebro was in that footage and we just didn't recognize him. one of the things about him that we have been learning is more images have been coming out as of late that helped identify him here. >> yeah, i mean, does it tell you anything more though about this question of what is the line? is there a line between the people who were leading the political part of this, and the kind of election interference part? the fake electors? and the people who were breaking windows and breaking into the capitol? does it tell you anything more about that? >> well, you know, abby, one of the things we've seen in the press recently is how does somebody like kenneth chesebro, with his pedigree and education and up in the thick of this, sort of conspiracy to overturn the 2020 presidential election, and we are starting to get clues, assuming that he was with alex jones, because he was so pathetic to alex jones and his cause, and i don't think that is a bold assumption, it does start to tell us something about his view of all of this, and one of the things we documented on the committee and in the final report is that alex jones and his info wars played a very big role in the stop the steel movement, it is important to keep in mind that what alex jones is all about as antigovernment extremism, this idea that the u.s. government is illegitimate, and in that that is the idea that it should be overthrown. so, the idea that alex jones would find himself there, and chesebro would be by his side, it does start to speak to the mindset of chesebro, who is also this political conspiracy , the heart of this conspiracy to overturn the election. >> but does it surprise you that neither-- well, certainly not jack smith, and i think that is where it would end up being if there was evidence to support it, jack smith was not able to say we are charging someone, anyone, with the violence on january 6th. does that surprise you? >> you know, i'm not a lawyer, so i'm always curious how players make these decisions, but the way i look at it, it's all part of the same package. so i don't think that there is really a firm line between political conspiracy and political violence. i think the political violence came about because of the political conspiracy. that is obvious. every man on the street can understand that argument. jack smith's indictment was very narrow the trump, and he focused on very specific charges, but we can even see in that special counsel indictment, he is saying trump is responsible for the attack. he says that throughout the speech for example, that trump gave him very incendiary, with the exception of one word, it was entirely incendiary. he cites that speech throughout the indictment. so, this is something that he just didn't charge and for inciting the attack, but he certainly places blame it trump's feet for. >> thomas joslin, thank you very much. i want to come back now to elliott, and michael le. you are a lawyer, i do want to think about what you think about this video that has emerged. and this is an important question. the charges don't-- they really don't charge trump with january 6th related charges. bonnie willis is dealing with some other issues, but does that surprise you? >> yeah, those are two questions separately. in regards to kenneth chesebro on january 6th, gets much harder for him or donald trump or anybody to claim that what chesebro was providing was merely legalized advice and bouncing ideas around the president, when he is clearly palling around with alex jones on the day of january 6th. it muddies his avenues. so, to the second question about charging the president with a crime, i've been saying for a while it would be very hard to charge the president for a crime for the conduct on january 6th, because you would run into a lot of free-speech questions with the words that he said there and linking him to the actual violence, and then for seditious conspiracy, which some people have been charged and convicted of on january 6th, you would have to approve some agreement or conspiracy that is still thin, based on what is in the public record. now, it is conduct that is shameful? disgraceful? and presidential, un-american whatsoever? absolutely. but i don't know if you can charge him with a crime. >> just bring this into the political realm, on thursday it sounds like a lot of the candidates will be defending donald trump, and in order to do that they will have to defend donald trump's conduct in the lead up to the 2020 election, between the 2020 election leading up to january 6th. that is going to be quite a thing for a lot of republican candidates to do, to align themselves with that. >> well, they don't have a choice. don't shoot the messenger here, for the viewers. and you talk to the average republican voter about january 6th, what about the blm riots? what about nt for, what about this? what about that? those guys were peacefully protesting. there were individuals causing a ruckus in the crowd that weren't really trump supporters. people really believe this, abby. so if you are a republican at 6%, 2%, and you are thinking i need to somehow pivot and reach into some of those trump supporters, then you are going to take the stance of defending trump and defending the individuals who have been persecuted, according to many republican voters, because they believe those individuals were wrongly charged. >> it might even be the ones at 20%, like ron desantis hearing that as well. michael singleton and elliot williams, thank you very much. coming up next for us we will hear what a group of republican voters are thinking ahead of next week's debate. plus, the cnn original series, giuliani, what happened to america's mayor, provides a revealing look at the epic rise and fall of this american political icon, and here's a preview of that. what happened to rudy giuliani? 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>> well, i guess it is kind of like breakfast, you have an orange juice, you can still have a great meal, but it just doesn't get started because it is what you wanted to do. make no mistake, this debate matters. millions, tens of millions. i think you will have as many as 20 million people watching this debate. it is as significant as the first debate in 2016, the first appearance of donald trump actually, this was back in 2015, and everyone is tuning in, because they want to see how they relate to each other. they don't want the negative. so it is going to be fascinating for those candidates that are critical of trump how they take him on. but without alienating his vote, because in the end it is not the criticism of donald trump that matters. it is pulling trump's voters over to them, because his lead is so significant and we've never seen a primary election of someone with a lead this big, who, in the end is defeated. >> it would actually be historic if, at this point trump did not become the nominee. so, on the debate stage, the next highest pulling candidate would be ron desantis, and on the campaign trail you are sing all of these candidates trying to break through. this morning chris christie actually in his firepower on ron desantis, over the issue of january 6th. take a listen. >> when he got asked up in new hampshire, by a 15-year-old about his point of view on the january 6th riot, he said well, i wasn't in washington that day, so i don't know as much about it. well, man, i wasn't in washington either. okay? but i have a tv set and i saw what was going on, and i've got an opinion about it. >> good this become a desantis pylon at the end of the day? >> absolutely. absolutely. the question now is who is going to be the alternative to donald trump. it is going to be one of two candidates. right now, tim scott is doing very well in iowa. chris christie is doing very well in new hampshire, and whoever emerges from this debate, and it will be somebody who is crowned the winner. that person automatically raises money. automatically ends up on shows and starts to get the attention that they need. up until this point it has been trump, trump, trump. the indictments, his victimization. 's accusations, persecution. and it is why trump has been gaining and gaining, even those in these indictments are happening, but on next wednesday the real election begins, and that is when somebody, like chris christie, will emerge and the question will be, who has got the best line? who has got the best attack? you have to deliver that attack without alienating the people that you are trying to win over. >> yeah. that will be very interesting to see. and i would probably add that how the attack is delivered, whether it looks overly scripted, or natural, is a huge part of this too. but frank, i want to get to what you have been up to, which is talking to republican voters. he talked to a group of 15 of them ahead of the debate, and you asked them to listen to a moment, when trump mocks chris christie's wait in a previous era. here is how that exchange went with those republican voters. >> no, kristy, he is eating right now, he can't be with us. >> sir, please do not call him a fat pig. >> it is disgusting, because there is no need for it. >> i don't really want to see a candidate try their hand at standup comedy. i would rather go see a comedian of my own choice. i don't really have anything flattering to say about donald trump. aside from his policies. >> i like him because he always speaks the truth, and just because people don't like the way he says it everybody is so sincere. >> he speaking his mind, that's the problem with the other candidates. they are too-- in some ways they are too guarded. >> that last comment is so interesting. they are too guarded. it kind of speaks to what we were discussing which is voters like trump being, you know, just kind of off the cuff, and saying whatever he wants. some of them do. but others, as you saw in that group, did not. >> let's be clear, republicans like this approach, independence and democrats don't. what gets donald trump toward that nomination is exactly what hurts him in the summer, in the fall, as you enter into the general election. and frankly, i have not heard enough of it yet. i think there will be a case. i think one of the big issues is whether donald trump can be joe biden, because republicans desperately wants to get back to the white house, and electability is going to matter to them. trump as a person is very controversial, but among republicans, trump's policies are very much supported. >> frank, thank you very much for all of that. >> thank you. up next for us, a teacher reads a book about gender identity to a class in suburban atlanta, and is subsequently fired. that teacher will join us here, next. bug spray works best when your family actually wears it. get odor-free 8-hour protection from mosquitoes and ticks without the ick. zevo on-body repellent. people love it. bugs hate it. what's considered normal for your cat is interesting. but if your cat isn't their quirky self lately, they may have pain from a common condition called osteoarthritis. now, there's solensia. solensia is a once-monthly injection to control your cat's oa pain. veterinary professionals administering solensia who are pregnant, trying to conceive, or breast feeding should take extreme care to avoid self-injection. self-injection could cause allergic reactions like anaphylaxis. ask your vet about solensia and help get your cat back to their normal. ♪ chevy silverado has what it takes to do it all. with up to 13 camera views. and the z71 off-road package. ♪ you ok? 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>> well, i purchased this book at our school scholastic book fair, and my students were able to vote on a selection of books. so they actually chose this book, and that is why i read it out loud to them. but, you know, this book is an affirming book that truly is celebrating, you know, the importance of honoring who you are, and also, you know, the unique assets and identities of others. >> that is interesting that the students themselves were the ones who wanted this book read. one of the things that is happening in the state of georgia is that the state passed a bill that is being called a parent's bill of rights and it passed last year. and it is similar to what is happening all across the country, but it says that it gives transparency to parents and what their children are being taught in school. i wonder, did you think about that or factor that into your decision-making, when you were in this moment. your students asked you to read this book and you know it was potentially on a controversial topic? >> well, when i originally read this book aloud, i use my best judgment when i was selecting the book, and i truly felt that, you know this book was an inclusive book, and that, you know, there was no policy that, you know, where you need to get permission or, any of thing of that nature. so, and i still believe that. >> they, georgia officials also say that you violated the state's divisive concepts law that bars teachers from quote, espousing personal political beliefs, and it guarantees that parents have quote, the right to direct the up bringing and moral or religious training of his or her minor children. i wonder what was the reaction from your students to the subject matter of the book, and you think that when you hear about what that law is all about that you violated it? >> so, it is really hard to know where this invisible line is. these laws are intentionally vague, and, you know, really causing teachers to self censor, because they are so vague. my students, they were able to, you know, relate to this book, as gifted students, and truly were able to celebrate, not only, you know, their goodness, and all of their interests, but also their own unique identities. and were able to engage in conversation with one another, and, that is important. it is important for students to be able to have open discussion, to share their thoughts, to not only be able to connect with the books that are reflective of them, but also are reflective of identities, you know, that are different than them. and for them to be able to learn from the perspective of others. you know, literacy is-- the foundation of literacy is to foster communication, and that is critical. >> craig, the cobb county school district, the statement that i will read to the audience here, and to you, the district is pleased that this difficult issue is concluded. they are very serious about keeping our classrooms focused on teaching and learning and success for students. the board's decision is reflective of that mission. craig, what you say about the officials who made this decision, and claimed that katie here violated multiple rules of loss? >> i really wish it could be that simple. i mean, clearly i disagree with the board's statement. they put this type of politics over educational policy the entire way. it is just, it is unfortunate that they have allowed the political agenda of outsiders, of people who aren't in the classroom with katie, seeing the good work that she does ahead of the students. and that is, it is not good. >> and before we go, craig, do you plan legal action on behalf of your client? >> so, we are evaluating all of the avenues of katie, as an a right to appeal at the state board of education and we are looking at all of our legal options, yes. >> reporter: katie, and mark, thank you very much tonight. >> thank you. >> thank you. up next, an uproar over the latest bradley cooper movie. the actor wearing a prosthetic nose to portray famed jewish composer, leonard bernstein, did he cross a line? that is next. i run a wax museum. let innovation refunds help you get started on your erc tax refund. stop waiting. go to innovationrefunds.com you really got the brows. here's how tommy lost 30 lbs on noom weight. i'm tom. noom helped him use psychology to lose weight. the mindful aspect made me feel more conscious about what i was eating and why i was eating it. it's actually working. lose weight and make it last with noom weight. 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>> well, i think that ultimately this is a small thing. anti-semitism is sinister. anti-semitism is meant to injure and to hurt and to separate jews as the other. this is not that. this is a prosthetic nose, that, is it a little bit big? okay, maybe it is, but bradley cooper doesn't look anything like leonard bernstein, and seeing this, it makes me think that he does look like him. i think that it is make up. people play to people who they don't resemble all the time. robbie mullet doesn't look anything like freddie mercury for instance. then he put the teeth in and suddenly he winds an oscar. >> you brought in remi malik on the screen. he made himself look like freddie mercury. there's also nicole kidman. she, in the movie, the elders, played virginia woolf, and i don't even know how many prosthetics she had, frankly, because she transformed her face to look like virginia woolf. this is definitely a part of, you know, the costuming in hollywood, and you point out that the noses actually, if you look at the trailer, it is largely at the beginning, when he is younger, and it kind of morfitt's his face, which i think might also have -- >> it fits his face, and as leonard gets over and bradley wears more prosthetics the face fills out and the nose feels natural. and i think that there were a lot of opportunities, bradley cooper worked with bernstein's children in the lead up to and the making of this film. he worked with them very closely, and i think he had a lot of opportunity to say, hey, dial back on the sneeze or a little bit. and the fact that it ended up like this, they actually came out with they came out with tweets, or whatever. >> i actually have the statement. i will read it. yeah, they put out a statement supporting him. they say it happens to be true that leonard bernstein had a nice, big nose, and bradley chose to use makeup to amplify his resemblance, and we are perfectly fine with that. we are also certain that our dad would have been fine with it as well. you know, that is pretty crystal clear, it was a choice that they work perhaps a part of, and okay with. but there is, you know, the argument that some people make that that idea of a large nose is an anti-somatic trope, and that, just by perpetuating it you are sort of feeding into the trope. >> i think that if the-- the clichc of the jews nose, that is used in the cartoonish version of this is meant to injure and this is not. i just-- i-- there is no rational argument that one could make that would convince a sane, reasonable person that bradley cooper is trying to injure or create something like this clichc. and the fact is, in this intro, you mentioned that bradley is not jewish playing a famous jewish man. and that is part of the criticism as well that only a jewish person should be playing him, but where does that end? does that mean only christians can play christians, only straight people can play straight people, richard gere can only play a buddhist? >> to that point i want to-- i just want to play-- just to that exact point, i want to read what stanley tucci said about straight actors playing actors. >> i'm always very flattered when game and come up to me and talk about the devil wears prada and they say it is just so beautiful, you know? you did it the right way, because often it is not on the right way. but i really do believe that an actor is an actor is an actor. you are supposed to play different people. you just are. that is the whole point of it. >> i would say that maybe the exception to that is-- right, maybe the exception to that is we don't want to see blackface in 2023, but on some of the other-- >> of course not. >> some of the other forms of identity you think he is right? >> i absolutely do. also the-- the outrageous selective. you know? there was-- i don't remember any kind of large protest some years back when jim was cast to play jesus and the passion of the christ. jim is a devout christian, and i don't think i need to remind you that jesus is perhaps the most famous jewish person who ever lived. >> yeah, exactly. that is a very good point as well. neil tourette's, thank you very much, an interesting conversation there. >> thanks for having me. and over a year's worth of rain could be coming to the southwest. the latest on hurricane hillary, right after this. oh!! searchable, verified reviews. that's better than the ham, and i've never said that. booking.com booking.yeah type 2 diabetes? 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