Criminal conspiracy to overturn the 2020 election. A senior Law Enforcement official tells me former President Donald Trump is expected to turn himself in at the end of next week. Trumps surrender and arraignment are likely to look different from those in his previous three criminal cases. The Fulton County sheriff has suggested he wants to treat trump and the others similar to any other defendant. That could mean they would have mugshots taken and be fingerprinted. All of this will happen just a day or two after the first republican debate. We have a lot more to come on all that. Plus, we have a brandnew up date from the National Hurricane center on hurricane hillary. The storm could dump over a years worth of rain on the southwest, including the los angeles area. Stay tuned for that. Gentlemen, thanks for staying up late. Let me start with you, john. Trump is set to surrender for the fourth time late next week. This time, the world could get a mug shot of the former president. You worked for richard nixon, can you put next week into context . I can. It is not the first time that high level Government Officials have had mugshots taken. It will be the first time for a president. Watergate, of course, was the history that gods presidency off the rails initially. Than it was back on. Trump is the guy who has gotten it off the rails, again. We are going to see it play out whether by regular order or special treatment, we will know next week. A we have seen trumps motorcade, do you think this surrender could hit trump a little differently them the ones that came before, in that this is somebody who is kind of the master of the spectacle. I do not think this is the spectacle he really wants to see or be part of. The jail he is going to surrender at is a hellhole. It has received a lot of negative and national attention. I think any defendant in this newly charged case who get a whiff of that place may think twice about whether or not they want to stand trial or try to work out a deal. I dont think trump will do that. He is always the double down guy. I hope they do treat him like any other person and dont give him special treatment, but he does have a secret Service Detail that has to protect him. That will make some exception. Is going to be a wild scene. If 18 people get mugshots and trump does not, if he manages to somehow not get a mug shot next week, although with what the sheriff is indicating, it sounds like this will happen. How does that come into play . I think if the other 18 r, what we are seeing from this judge increasingly, she is not going to treat him differently. The thing that is unprecedented and fascinating about next week is that on one end, we are going to have a National Republican debate where trump will not be on stage and yet, just the following day he will be in a federal courthouse where we may see a mug shot. We wont see his face on the National Stage but we may have a mug shot. What do you think of that . This is just going to be wild for the entire world to see. Really, just a global embarrassment at the same time. Absolutely. Also, i am not sure that trump is as sad about this as my colleagues. He is a master of the spectacle. It is a situation where that mug shot, you might call it the 10 million or 20 million mug shot, because i guarantee you he will raise a ton of money off of it. He has developed something new in American Politics where, the worse he does by any normal measure, the higher he rises. I dont think most Republican Voters would give a Job Interview to someone with 91 Felony Charges against him, but they are willing to give him the white house. He is playing some kind of the game here, but as much as a normal person would not want a mug shot, i am not sure he is not planning on turning it into billboards. Does it almost not matter . I hesitate to say this, but does it almost not have, matter what happens at this debate if he sucks up all the oxygen one or two days later . I think it does matter. Debates always matter in political contests, especially president ial elections. This is an opportunity for someone to break out. Somebody will break out next week. It wont be donald trump. I think this is a real opportunity for somebody and, contrary to the assessment, i think you will get a lot of attention and i think in his mind, he think it is great. But i dont know a political consultant on either side of the aisle who could suggest that the best strategy is to get an additional indictment. It may play well in the primary, but it will hurt him in the general election. I do want to bring up this point, the Trump Campaign sent out this email earlier today calling the da a fascist. He has been attacking her and jack smith repeatedly on truth social. Where is the line . Is there a line . Are we setting up a scenario where he could say anything he wants and he is just not going to get thrown in the slammer . He is not going to be found to have broken any of these rules and he can do or say whatever he wants . I have not seen the statement, it somewhat shields him if it is from the campaign. He can theoretically deny he had anything to do with it. There really is no line he is not willing to walk up to. I think he has been somewhat chastened recently because he has backed off on holding this Press Conference next week where he was going to explain to the world where he had evidence that totally exonerated him from all these charges. Lawyers got to him and said, you are digging a deeper and deeper hole. Maybe he realizes he is digging a deeper hole. We will see how he personally plays this. He is not going to be at the debate next week. Opponents are taking a mixed reaction. Lets listen to this. If you have qualified as trump has, not showing up is completely disrespect to the Republican Party who has made you the nominee twice. And, to the voters. You owe it to the people to put out your vision and talk about your record. I think people are not going to look kindly on that. How does this play out . What you think . You are probably glad that trump is not there. He is the new guy, the risings are, he is a young gun. He has a chance to have the stage to himself. He is going to try to take it himself. If you are , you probably want him not there. I am looking for tim scott to rise a little bit. There will be a lot of pyrotechnics, but i think nobody is going to throw a punch at tim scott and he is not going to throw a punch at anybody else. It gives him the opportunity to put forth sunshine optimism. Do they just want the fisticuffs and the namecalling that will go down . That is what i am looking for. Is there any health they could gap, gravitate toward a healthier candidate . One of the things i tried to ask strategists, it is just this strange dynamic we are seeing play out in the republican primary process where you have the expresident with four different indictments and the other contenders just seemed to be tiptoeing through the tulips and not really hitting him over the head with all this legal trouble. Is it possible we will see this debate play out in a way where they sound like they are auditioning for posts in his cabinet rather than going after him despite the fact that he is in all this trouble . I think we will see both. I think the people who believe they really have a shot and not just the shot to be number two or somewhere in the cabinet are going to increasingly be walking a strategic line. They can say he has been the tribal leader, very popular, there are a lot of he did that were good for the country and for the party, but he is a loser. The fact is he lost the 2020 election. They have to admit that. Not just the election, but he lost the house to in the senate. And that with these increasing legal problems, he is increasingly problematic and looking to be a loser in the general election. They can say he is just not the guy who is going to win next year. Thanks so much. I really appreciate it. Great discussion. A Potential Trump Conviction before the election is raising a host of constitutional questions. As my next guest rights, some legal experts think trump has already disqualified himself under the 14th Amendment. Jason willig joins me. This caught my eye earlier this week. You cite this Paper Written By TwoLaw Professors who say that trump may have already disqualified himself. Despite the fact that he wasnt convicted in the senate during the impeachment process. Can you lay that out for us . Yes, the idea is that section 3 of the 14th Amendment which was intended to disqualify confederates from serving in government after the civil war could apply to trump because it prohibits anyone who engaged in insurrection from serving. On the idea that the january 6 riot was an insurrection, these Law Professors are arguing, and i suspect this will get into the liberal bloodstream in the coming months, trump is disqualified based on the original meaning of the 14th Amendment section 3. I dont agree with it, but i think it is something that is going to start being debated more and more if the former president continues his march to the nomination. How could this be used by activists and opponents of the former president . When could we see this theory be introduced in court . I suppose as the primary process plays out, you may start seeing some Court Challenges in key battleground states, that sort of thing . Yes. The process varies from state to state whether it has to be another candidate challenging, which State Official can challenge, but i would not be surprised. The primaries start in january. We are a few months away from ballots starting to be printed and have the names of the candidates on them. I wouldnt be surprised if we start to see State Officials tried to remove trumps name from the ballot, especially in blue states, in partisan democratic secretaries of state. If that happened, there would be a legal challenge. We would see it go to the courts and it would start to be litigated. Then of course the question is, this just takes one state secretary, Secretary Of State and one state to remove him from the ballot and to get the goahead from the state Supreme Court and then it goes to the United StatesSupreme Court. We are going to see if this idea starts to get momentum. It will start rising very fast in this 2024 election. We should note, these are originalist Law Professors. If they believe this, logically, one might presume that perhaps a conservative or multiple conservatives on the Supreme Court might agree with this line of thinking, what do you think . I think it is unlikely, but you never know. Liberals have generally disagreed with original is him because they have said, so what if that is what it meant hundreds of years ago. We live in the real world and have to take an account political realities. If the original meaning requires us to not have paper money or something that is totally unworkable in modern society, we have to interpret it in a way that is consistent with how our Society Works originally, they say we have to follow the text no matter what the implications are. I think these are influential Law Professors. Depending on how these trials play out in the mood of the country, i think it could be taken more or less seriously. I think we could for sure see some strange respect for original is him among liberals and some skepticism among this logic among conservatives. Potentially lawyers representing former President Trump in a different kind of case. We thank you for your time. Coming up next, the battle over africanamerican studies in arkansas. Why the Little Rock School district is going against state education. Chevy silverado has what i it takes to do it all. With up to 13 camera views. And the z71 offroad package. You ok . Yeah. 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The decision comes after the state Department Of Education said the content might violate the learns act. Joining me now is a School Board Member for the Little Rock School district. She is representing two plaintiffs in a lawsuit against the act. We very much appreciate you being with us. As a point of clarification, the School District has decided to move forward with his plans to teach the course. Tell us more about this. It is it, is it going to count toward graduation . Are the students punished in some way by this . You cannot count as a Graduation Requirement that is part of the states decision not to count it. But, we are still offering the course. We are still waiting the grade weighting the grade. We are coming up with ways to pay for those student ap exams because the state is refusing to pay for them for this course even though it pays for all other ap exams. It wont count toward their high school graduation, but what about universities . Can they take this course into account as something on the students record . I am curious, what do the kids have to say about this . The University Of Arkansas System which is, by far, the largest in the state, has said that it is accepting this course for College Credit if the student passes the ap exam. More than 200 colleges and universities have also said they will accept the course. In terms of students, they are eager to take the course. There has been an outpouring of support. We have even had adults in the community who have said this is history i need to learn, how do i take this course, as well . There is a lot of interest right now. I was wondering if the governor was inadvertently making this course more popular. There has definitely been a lot of talk about how the next section of ap africanamerican studies may have a chapter on exactly what is happening right now. I bet. In terms of. The state will not move forward. The department encourages the teaching of all history not based on opinions or indoctrination. That Word Indoctrination coming up over and over again. What is your response to that . This course is not indoctrination. It takes students through 400 years of history. A prompts discussion to really encourage debate so they can develop Critical Thinking skills on their own. That is the opposite of indoctrination. In fact, governor sanders and her administration cannot point to a single example of indoctrination or crt in the course. Everyone can look at it. The governor is pushing back on criticism. Lets hear her response. We have got to get back to the basics of teaching math, reading, writing and american history. We cannot perpetuate a lie to our students and push this propaganda leftist agenda, teaching our kids to hate america and one another. It is one of the reasons we put into law banning things like indoctrination and crt. What is your response to the governor . One of the Little