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Good evening, im jim acosta. Joining me in moments, president potential candidate vivek ramaswamy, whose name showed up in a ron desantis debate memo as the rival to attack on the stage. Hillary spawn that and more. But first, in just a few moments, in the date on the calendar will be april 2026. Thats two years, seven months from now. Thats nearly a year and a half after the 2024 election. And just a year and a half before the 2028 election. And yet, donald trump and his lawyers are suggesting that date for his trial in the federal case on his efforts to overturn the election. Its their counter to jack smiths proposal to start this january. Meantime, the former president , in his first on camera reaction to the george indictment, has a warning to his party. Disgraceful thing. And republicans cant let him get away with it. Republicans have to be tough. The republicans are great in many ways, but they dont fight as hard for this. They have to get a lot tougher. If they, dont theyre not gonna much of a Republican Party. Well they havent been very tough on donald trump. And one of the republicans who is defending trumps vivek ramaswamy. And today, a memo from Ron Desantiss super pac laid out some advice for the Florida Governor ahead of next weeks debate. Among the suggestions, defend donald trump but, quote, take a sledgehammer to ramaswamy. And joining me now is the candidate mentioned in that memo, vivek ramaswamy. Hes giving a speech at the Nixon Library tonight. Welcome, mister ramaswamy. Appreciate you joining us. Its good to see you, jim, how are you . Im good, lets get right to. Theres a pro Desantis Super pac, im sure youve seen this, has posted documents online that showed desantiss upcoming Debate Strategy. That includes not only attacks on President Biden as well as media, but instructions to, quote, hammer ramaswamy. Are you preparing to be hammered . You know, ive been prepared for that for a lot of my life. And im prepared to take that on. The truth is, i am an outsider in this race. And i think that is threatening a lot of the professional politicians, understandably. A guy like me is not supposed to be in this race according to their book. Im approaching my Debate Strategy a little bit differently. I think, many times, if you dont have a message, you look to attack other candidates. Im preferring to stand for my own message, asking the question, what are we running to . And i think were guided by that purpose, the attacks from the other candidates are not gonna stop me. And the latest fox polling shows you been gaining ground, more brown since june than any other candidate. Why are you gaining ground ball candidates like ron desantis are struggling to catch on . I think the reality is i am unconstrained speaking the truth. There are many forces at work in both political parties. In the establishment of the democrat party, and the Republican Party alike. That constrains what candidates can actually say. A lot of that comes from the donor class. In the Republican Party, you have a lot of super pac puppets, im not one of them. Im a patriot who speaks the truth. Im independent. Im putting my own money into this campaign precisely to avoid taking a tin can with a hat in hand. Asking a bunch of donors for permission to run. And i think thats a very different model for many professional politicians in this race. And the good news is, voters across our country, in our base, they can tell the difference between somebody whos actually sharing their own convictions versus somebody whos parroting of Talking Points served up to them 15 minutes, or 15 days before, a debate. I think the reality is also the message of my campaign is resonating. Shut down the administrative state. Declare independence from china. Grow the economy. Revive national pride. Revive our National Identity itself. We, as conservatives, we cant be complacent with criticizing the radical biden agenda. Thats boring, its trite at a certain point in time. We have to stand for a vision of our own. And i think im the only candidate thats actually offering that. I think thats a big part of why weve been successful. Well, youve got a big test coming up with next weeks debate, and eight candidates, including yourself, have met the donor and pulling threshold for that debate. Youve seen the loyalty pledge. Former President Donald Trump has refused to sign the pledge. Are you okay with trump getting Special Treatment . Shouldnt have to play by the rules . I expect trump to be on that debate stage later this fall. And i expect him to play by the same set of rules as everybody else. But im fine with him missing the first couple of debates. Hes been on that debate stage many times over. Heck, he was president for four years. For me, this is an opportunity to introduce myself to the country. Im looking forward to that. Many people dont yet know who i am, or certainly dont know very well who i am. So thats the opportunity im looking for, to. Im expecting trump to show up down the line, but i think its fair game for him to miss the first couple. What if he doesnt that would be refused to sign that pledge . Does he get a pass on the . Well, look, if thats a condition to make the debate stage, then i think hes gonna sign that pledge to make the debate stage. But the reality is, i believe hes waiting based on his Public Comments at least, hes waiting for a smaller field. So i look forward to being on that debate stage with him, but for now, ill focus on the path to next wednesday. Im in eight states in the period heading up until the debate stage, but im looking forward to introducing myself to the people of this country, and hopefully drawing some important policy contrast from the rest of the field. I think this is an important moment for the gop to stop obsessing over there who. There has been so much obsession over donald trump or somebody else. Forget the who for a second. Lets first focus on who we are but what do we stand for and why we stand for it. Thats a discussion we actually havent had in the gop for a very long time. And i think this debate stage is actually going to be good for the evolution of our party. Really defining our agenda, rather than devolving into biographical brawls, even though certain other candidates say desantis and his super pac want to go the direction of the biographical brawl, i prefer going in the direction of substance. Answering what we stand for and why. Thats whats gonna make our party stronger. Well, i think the former president s gonna come up at the debate whether hes there or not. And hes now facing his fourth criminal indictment, this time in georgia on forgery, false statements, election, fraud and racketeering charges. You said that these are political, or politicized, prosecutions. Politicized persecution through prosecution. Lets listen to what his former Attorney General saying about this. People who defend him say, that he genuinely did feel that he was robbed and this was the good fight in the proper fight. Well, even if he did, and im dubious about that, but even if he believes that, that doesnt mean you can use illegal means to rectify it. If you think the bank is unfairly keeping your money, there are many things you can do to get it back. You cant go and rob the bank. Whats your response to the former Attorney General . Look, i think there are deep legal flaws with this case. Im talking to you from the nixon president ial library where im delivering a speech later tonight. Look at nixon versus fitzgerald. This is something that the presses altogether ignored. A president s act while in office are something that he actually enjoys immunity for other than through the impeachment process. So if he believes, even incorrectly, that he was looking after Election Fraud, that could be a defense. I also think there are due process failures. Lets start with the fact that Fulton County actually posted the charges of the indictment even before the grand jury had signed them. Thats a grave prosecutorial bushytailed overexcited mistake. Thats a brutalizes violation in itself, that could be grounds for a motion to dismiss. We also have to look at this prosecution in the context of the fact that there are three others, now for prosecutions in a series of months all convene around a president ial election that sets a god awful president , jim, for this country. We do not want to become a nation where the party in power uses multiple different legal cases at the same time, pushing untested novel legal theories to knock out its opposition in the middle of a president ial election. That is not how we do things in the United States of america. And i say this has somebody who in Many National polls, is pulling second. It would be easier for me if donald trump were eliminated from competition. That is not how i want to win. I stand but there are now four different indictments. Let me jump in, there have been four different indictments. You dont think hes committed any crimes in any of these indictments . I dont think any of the indictments have demonstrated that he krugman is a crime, no. And ive written on the pages of the Wall Street Journal and elsewhere, where in a technical legal hat, and you and i can go into that detail if you want. These are clearly politically motivated well, lets just take that one as an example. That indictment made zero mention of the president ial records act. The most recently passed act that relates to a president , including an outgoing president s, access to documents. The fact that this is a 49page indictment, that one was, that was silent on that fact reveals, some acts of polarization. I dont think also the fact that they use the espionage act, one of the most unamerican acts in the u. S. History that has been used to round up anti war activists. That was used to lockup eugene victims. Do you think do you think its alqaeda Have Classified documents lane arauz the ramaswamy household . No its not, but i think theres a difference between a bad judgment and a crime. And the president ial records act expressly gives the president access whose records. But he didnt return them. They asked for the documents back, and i wouldve made very different arguments. I will remain, i am running in the same race that donald trump is. Im not saying that every judgment that he made is the same judgment that i would make. In fact, it wasnt. But that is different than charging it as a crime, which i think it sets an awful president in our country. But in the federal election casey, he tried to overturn the election results. Why not call him out for that as well . I will remind you the supreme courts president in alvarez, at 2012 case, which held that public officials, including politicians, have a First Amendment right to lie, to tell the truth, to even make statements they didnt believe. Let alone, there isnt a shred of evidence that supports we can get into the legal Technical Details all we want. Thats gonna get happen in the courtroom. But as a matter of judgment, as somebody who is running to, and expects, to be the next president of the United States, my top job is to reunite this country, and my way of doing that is going to be to pardon donald trump on day one. And to pardon anybody else who was also the victim of a politically motivated persecution through prosecution. We have to move forward as a country, and i think this sets a dangerous precedent unless we actually pardon. But mr. Ramaswamy, you said you want to wait for all the details, the Technical Details at trial. But youre declaring beforehand that you would pardon him. Why not listen for the facts to come out . And then make that determination . I am saying that based on one assumption. The assumption is that the statements in each of the indictments are the most prosecution favorable statements were going to get. Any legal scholar will tell you thats a fair assumption. In any case, the prosecution always puts up its strongest foot in the indictment itself. We havent even heard from the defense. So yes, if there are gaping, surprises, that come up. Zero evidence to say this that trump was selling these secrets to foreign adversaries for private gain. But if those facts come up, of course i would revisit my judgment. But the fact of the matter is, the prosecution can all obviously make the most aggressive gaze of its indictment as it isnt any other case, i will absolutely pardon trump on day one, january 20th, 2025, when im in office. Would you pardon trumps other alleged coconspirators in both the documents and the elections cases . It depends on how the facts matchup to the law. Your take about the documents case, there are special features of the law that applied to a u. S. President. Literally, the president ial records act treats past u. S. President s differently but why is that youre going to pardon trump on day one, but not make that kind of blanket promise to the alleged coconspirators . Should they get that kind of pardon offer . Im favorably inclined. Im favorably klein to do it, but right now, im a competitor against a trump in this primary, and i want to be very clear on the side of principle. That was against my interest in this race, thats why in the interest of united in this country, its especially important to be clear about that fact. I expect to be making Tens Of Pardons on day one. I think there are countless americans who have been the victims of politically motivated persecutions through prosecution. Peaceful protesters on january 6th. January six defendants, who actually have had constitutional due process violations. Julianna saw is somebody that ive specifically identified as somebody i would absolutely pardon. Douglas mackie, others. I think the only way were going to move forward as a country, there can be no reconciliation without truth. We have to put that past behind us. And my top job is going to be to heal the wounds of this nation to lead us forward. Because, you learn pardoning trump pardoning trumps gonna heal the wounds of the nation . I do. I do think it will be a step towards healy even winds of the nation. I think there are deep wounds in this country that are the consequence of systematic censorship. The weaponization of police force to accomplish Political Goals through the justice system. That is wrong. This is not an easy project ahead for the next president. I am in this race because i do see a lot of candidates on both sides motivated by vengeance and grievance. I am motivated by leading this nation forward, and the way were going to do it is by restoring one standard of the rule of law for all americans. Restore the integrity of the justice system. And leave politics to politics. The people of this country should decide who the next president is. Theyre free to take into account all of the information that has been laid out by leftwing media, rightwing media, et cetera, to make their decisions. Donald trump made good scissions, they should take that into account when voting amount. What about trump making these threats and making these kinds of inflammatory comments about the judge, about the Special Counsel, and so on, in some of these cases . Do you defend that . Should he knock that off . Im not familiar with the specific nature, or which inflammatory common youre referring to or not. Hes deeply aggrieved by resent the same time in the middle of an election. From my vantage point, i would make very different judgments and would have made very different judgments then donald trump. But that is a different point than saying this should be criminalized. Thats where im at, so im not in this two he im in this to defend the nation. But youve heard him say, youve heard how he said, im coming after you if you come after me. You heard that correct . Is that appropriate . If he means hes Gonna File A Motion to dismiss, then he should absolutely file a motion to dismiss, which i think will be very embarrassing for the prosecutor, and frankly very embarrassing for the Law Enforcement apparatus. But you dont think that im gonna be very honest with you, i have not. You have clearly studied every word. Im very honest with you, jim, i have not read the specific tweet or social media post that youre referring to. Im running for president. Im looking at reviving or akana me, im not looking at social media posts. But broadly speaking, my whole point is, theres a difference between a bad judgment and a crime. And the moment that we conflate a lot of crime start with bad judgments. That is a moment we have a threat to limity. Well, thats okay. But you actually have to have committed a crime, to be prosecuted for. And so making a bad judgment as a politician, thats a basis for a voter to make a decision. But thats how we do things in the United States of america. We have to let the people of this country decide who actually runs the country, not a federal Administrative Police state. And i think that sets a dangerous precedent in this country. And that is why ive been so vocal against it. Thats why im clearly committed to donald trump can pardon donald trump if he is committed. But you said later you wait for the facts to come out, if there are some big surprises, you may reconsider that . My assumption is that the worst statement of the facts, the most prosecution favor favorable version of the fact is in the indictment. In 99. 9 of legal cases, thats exactly how it works in the United States, and i said that on day one when i made my commitment that was my assumption. Lets talk about china. You talked about china. You proposed to radio host hugh hewitt that the u. S. Should help taiwan deter a chinese invasion. Until the u. S. Has a chief quote, Semiconductor Independents. Does it support our interest to support a countrys territorial integrity and told him no longer useful to us . I think that moving from strategic ambiguity to strategic clarity is actually a good thing from the United States to advance our interests and to avoid war, as well as to be a more trusted partner. I dont think its credible where we make hollow proclamations to defend democracy or to defend territorial sovereignty as a principle, when in fact, we choose that principle selectively anyway. I think its far more credible for us to be honest. Do you say that i will, as the next u. S. President , i stand for advancing american interests, period. That allows other nations to trust us, just as we can trust them to follow their self interest, they can trust us to follow hours. This new new considerate chisholm are you sending a signal that an ally democracy could be taken over by a power just because theyre no longer taking something that we need . Lets get real, jim. The fact of the matter is that our current posture towards taiwan is that the u. S. Embraces the one china pile see in the status quo. The standard protocol is a u. S. President isnt even supposed to pick up a phone call from the leader of taiwan. In fact, when trump did it, they laughed at it as though he was an outsider route. The reality is that that line of reasoning that youre gonna call them an allied nation to push back on my Strategic Vision of clarity, is a farce and betrays what our posture is in the first place. What ill bring to our Foreign Policy is honesty that will advance our interests. Im moving for strategic ambiguity to be very clear, that we will defend taiwan until we achieve Semiconductor Independents. I expect that to happen by the end of my first term in 2028. Necessarily will change. To be clear, after that, by being clear, what that really means is taiwan between now and then can actually spend what it should be spending on national defense. Taiwan spends less than 2 of gdp on its military. That is shameful. Taiwan needs to be spending over 4 of its gdp. But by being strategically clear, we give taiwan a chance to build up its own defense capabilities and china will also know that it is absolutely not in chinas interest, not any rational actor in china would want to make that move over 2028. In the meantime, what am i gonna do . Achieve Semiconductor Independents for our nation, and also build up our own Homeland Defense capabilities. That is something thats badly lacking. Super emp defenses, cyber defenses, Nuclear Missile defenses. But if were at that point by 2028 along with Semiconductor Independents, then no, i dont expect to want to send my sons, our Sons And Daughters, to fight and die over somebody elses territorial dispute. I think thats exactly what this China Civil War dating back to 1999 is about. There are two reasons China Michael after taiwan. One is toward after an economic gun over the United States. I refuse to let that happen. But a second is sorting out Business Dating back to 1949 thats not something that im going to send our Sons And Daughters to settle. And youve also suggested that Vladimir Putin be allowed to keep parts of ukraine as part of a way to solve that conflict. What if he wants parts of poland then . What if he wants more of ukraine next . Arent you Letting Somebody far from it. I think the Biden Administration is so stubbornly attached to the idea of getting jinping to drop delamere putin. What i think we need to be doing is get Vladimir Putin to drop sheen paying. Just like next and went to china in 1972, i think putin is like the numeral. I will visit moscow, and i will pull russia out of its Military Alliance with china. The russia China Military alliance is the single greatest Military Threat that we face today. Hypersonic military capabilities, Nuclear Capabilities and russia, far ahead of us or china. And naval capacity in china ahead of ours, combined with an economy that we depend on for a modern way of life. Those two nations are in a Military Alliance with one another, and nobody in either Political Party is talking about it. Worst of all, our engagement in ukraine is further driving russia into chinas arms. So my Foreign Policy centers on weakening that alliance. That is you would like to know parts of ukraine . Secure peace. I would freeze the current lines of control, and that would leave parts of the donbas region with russia. I would also further make a commitment that nato will not admit ukraine to nato. But there are even greater wins that i would a top of the list. Our goal should not be for putin to lose. Our goal should be for america to win. Thats what we have forgotten in this country, is that driving russia into the ground is not a strategic goal for u. S. A u. S. Strategic goal is to secure peace and prosperity for americans. And so, you know what, i think many of those military you resources being used to protect against innovation with somebody elses border have across the world should be used on our southern border right here at home. And in the meantime, yes, we need to pull russia apart from china, instead of driving russia further into chinas hands. And i think we have a Foreign Policy establishment, in both parties, frankly, Republican Party and Democratic Party alike, that behaves were still in the cold war of the last century. Forgetting that the ussr doesnt exist anymore and that the real threat we face today is communist china, which is that much stronger when Vladimir Putin is in judging things camp. All right, then macron this one may. Well have to leave it there. Thank you very much for your time. We appreciate it. Thank you, jim. Thank you. All right, coming up next, will dissect the trump teams proposal to delay their Election Trial until 2026. Yes, 2026. 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This one helps you build a life. Chevy silverado. Just hours after Donald Trumps fourth indictment was announced in Fulton County, georgia, the former president promised to present a, quote, present a large complex and detailed report on voter fraud in the state on a conference on but donald trump is saying the conference is not happening after all. He posted this evening saying, quote, rather than really seen the report on the rigged and stolen georgia president ial election on monday, his words, my lawyers would prefer putting this irrefutable and overwhelming evidence of Election Fraud and regularitys, his worries, informal legal filings. Of course, that is not true, most of that is not true. The election was neither rigged nor stolen. It comes shortly after his sources told cgtns original announcement caught several of his own lawyers offguard. Also tonight, his lawyers are presenting their proposed date for a trial in the Election Interference Case in april, three years from now. Joining me now to talk about this is former january six investigative counsel marcus childress. Mark, its good to see you, thanks for being here. This Trial Proposal that theyre talking about, april 2026, what did you think about that . You can tell a lot about how the defense feels about the case by when they want to schedule that trial. As a prosecutor on the fourth indictment, you should be ready to go to trial. Defense counsel can take one of two approaches, they can rush you to trial did take your blush so you cant cobra bright that evidence or take additional evidence. Or they can slow roll to trial, and thats what were seeing from the trump team is clearly slow rolling it until 2026. Yeah, and the other thing that, i guess, pushing back, it sounds like his lawyers are talking down from this monday pressed friends. Maybe we wont get a Press Conference on what he was proposing. What does it say that hes not doing this Press Conference anymore . And hes saying that, well, were gonna put in a legal filings. I think his lawyers, im sure there thats probably the primary concern. This but none of its true. But this is been the primary thought for our thing with donald trump. He doubles down on the Election Fraud, we saw it leading up to january six. We saw it after january six. Its been details on reports, and its a big part of the mental minds data of what Special Counsel alluded to an alleged. And also what the Fulton County prosecutor also alleges. This is something that im sure his lawyers dont want him doing, because weve seen false statement charges against him for his comments. Ill be curious to see if this actually ends up in a legal filing, because again, you cant make false statements as an attorney. Yeah the lawyers might want to watch out. Lawyers needing lawyers on his behalf. Cnn has now identified nearly all of the 30 and identify coconspirator theaters. Were talking about elected figures as well. You had such great insights into what took place on january six, being a part of the Investigative Team on capitol hill. You had so many conversations with a lot of these trump allies and aides and so on. Why did they get involved in all this . Why did they do this sort of thing . Some of them are ended in up as indicted coconspirators. It shows the power of trumps words and how powerful he has the control he has over this orbit. One of the main challenges for us was always trying to figure out who was actually conspiring with the president versus who was just acting off of his words. I think weve learned from the Fulton County indictment, as well as the Special Counsels indictment, who is actually working with trump center nucleus, his inner circle. Its hard to know why these individuals, who did you ever hear any reasons, any rational . I think, before the committee, folks would be willing to tell you that actually believe that the election was filled with fraud. We know that from the indictment, the allegations not to be true. They were told repeatedly by election lawyers, campaign folks, that it wasnt true that there was fraud. Its hard to actually figure out the logic behind why these folks have risked legal trouble over what has clearly been lies, the big lie that is led to all this. All right, marcus, great to talk to you. Thank you very much. Appreciate the perspective. In the meantime, threats against grand juries and a federal judge. The dangers facing Civil Servants intra cases are getting more worrisome. Ill speak with a judge who lost her son in a targeted attack on her home two years ago. Thats next. screams bleeding gums are serious, jamie. Dr. Garcia . Woah. Theyre a sign of bacterial infection. Crest gum detoxifys antibacterial fluoride works below the gumline to help heal gums and stop bleeding. Crest saves the day. Crest. vo in one second, sara woman yes vo will get a job offer somewhere sunnier. 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She also charged called the judge a quote, stupid slave and word. And if trump doesnt get elected in 2024, were going to kill, you so tread lightly. My next guest is familiar with all of this. After solace was targeted by a mens rights lawyer. The lawyer came to her home, where he shot and killed her 20 year old son daniel. Her husband was also seriously injured. And judge esther salas joins me now. Judge, thank you so much for joining us. We appreciate it. Ill get right to it. As you know, these threats against the grand jurors and judges are incredibly alarming. Are you worried that Something Like what happened to you and your family could happen to them . I worry about that all the time. Thats probably one of the reasons that mark, my husband, and i have not stopped since we started this journey to try to ensure that all judges, at every level of government, are safe. So yeah, to answer your question, you always worry about the safety of a colleague, especially when, you know, the rhetoric and the words seem to get more, you know, inflamed, if you will. And we seem to throw words around without really thinking about what they mean. You know, words matter. How we treat each other, it matters. And the value of life, we know only too well. It matters since we lost our only child on july 19th, 2020. Words do matter. And to that point, judge, last week, as you know, former President Trump posted on his social media side, if you go after me, im coming after you. I guess, what did you think of that rhetoric . Do you think rhetoric like that is fueling these threats . You know, id like to think about the problems that we have right now, which is not only the physical violence against judicial officers and the threats of physical violence. I am also concerned about the language that is being used by our leaders, both on the right and left. When we questioned the justice system, when we start to, you know, perpetuate false narratives about judges being in cahoots with conspiracies. That really feeds into the third major issue that im concerned about, which is that a road in the Publics Trust in our justice system. This country is, you know, founded on the constitution and democracy. And when we take these actions so carelessly, both on the right and left, we are doing some serious damage to our country and to democracy and to the constitution at large. I wonder, judge, how close do you think trump has gotten to the line . Has he crossed the line . In terms of breaking the rules of his release. You know, im more focused, mr. Acosta, on talking about what we all can start trying to do at every level, even the level of, you know, you and i. How we talk to one another. This civility. The way that we choose to treat each other. The value of human life. I, rather than talking about that, i want to focus on really challenging our leaders and everyone on down to start speaking to one another in a more responsible and more civil, a more humane way. Our condolences once again to you and your family. What youve gone through is something that no family should go through. We really appreciate your time, judge esther salas, thank you so much for your time. Thank you for having me on, mr. Acosta. Case of the Attempted Murder of a black fedex driver by with two white men, declared a mistrial. The driver joins me next to react to this stunning moment in court thats coming up in just a few moments. Stay with us. A beach house, a treehouse, honestly i dont care fifind the perfect Vacation Rental for you booking. Com, booking. Yeah. With the freestyle libre 2 system know your Glucose Level and where its headed without fingersticks. Manage your dietes with more confidence and lower your1c. Its covered by medicare for those who qualify. 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The judges decision followed the Defense Attorneys motion for a mistrial after one of the citys Police Detectives acknowledged under oath that he did not give the prosecution or the Defense A Tape Statement from the driver, the ontario gibson. With great redoxins, the court has no choice in this matter but to grant the motion for in this trial. [bleep] [bleep] joining me now is dave monte rio gibson, did you ever at the center at the case, and his lawyer, carlos more. Gentlemen, thank you for being with us. What a day. I cant imagine what youre going to right now, the montero. That was your mother out there reacting to the judge granting the defenses request for a miss trial. Can you put it into words, how disappointed you are right now . I cannot exactly put it into words, but it is definitely disappointing and frustrating. I feel like if a lot of people understood what we had to endure, having gone through, the process of trying to get them put in jail, it feels like a lifetime, not like a year and a half. The montero, cnn has reached out to the Brookhaven Police department about comments are not turning over the video. What do you want to say to the police . It sounds like a screw up. Its definitely a screw up, not the first one that they had in my case or other cases. Its negligence on their part. I feel like, i am not going to say everything was purposely done, but there is a lot of incompetence and that Police Department. Thats all i have to say. Carlos, as his attorney, are you able to tell us what the Tape Statement actually was . Do you know why it was not handed over . Could this have been something done intentionally . Jim, i do believe it was intentional and deliberate on part of the detective fernando. This was an Interrogation Tape that the Police Department of the man terrified, give a witness statement. Everyone always knows those statements are always recorded. And they were, it was recorded and should have been given on the table. I believe that this is a delay tactic, because they have always been on the side of the case it seems. The police chief, assistant police chief, was in charge at the time that the murder, Attempted Murder. And the montero, you are just 24 years old when the incident happened. What has happened to her life . Has how has it been impacted since . Honestly, if i can be completely honest, i feel like it took a turn for the worse, because right now beforehand. I was reluctant about speaking up i. Even though it is, will definitely keep up the fight, i deal with anxiety, depression, insomnia, just thinking about the incident more than i should, effects me negatively mentally more than anything. Carlos, are you confident that you get a new trial . What about filing a lawsuit . We are confident that we will get a new trial. I spoke with the prosecutor, lee bates. The earliest that the new trial will take place, but that is not promised. It may be next year, and december the shear, so any prosecutor might have to take the case sometime next year. We will file a civil lawsuit against the case for what theyve done, also file Obstruction Of Justice suit against the city of brookhaven. They have been nothing but obstructionists. And their instance, there was a delay in getting the indictment. This was clear as day. These people were wrong, and i should be in jail sooner than later. Prison is where they belong, behind prison doors. Of course, we reached out to the Police Department. If they want to come on, well talk about it with him. And meantime, the Montero Gibson and carlos more, i hope you get justice, thank you for your time, we appreciate it. Thank, you jim. 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